No Time Left For VCRs?

On Feb 23, 1:36 am, Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulf...@ppllaanneett.nnll>
wrote:

emailaddr...@insightbb.com wrote:
On Feb 21, 6:41 am, Ron <r...@quik.com> wrote:
I rather like the new digital pictures being broadcast these days, but
I have to wonder what is going to happen with all of those VCRs that
people love to set for delayed programming--- andthere are a lot of
folks who do tape shows while away or at work-- when June 12 rolls
around and VCR tuners won't be able to tune into the new digital
signals?

Ron

Who has bought a VCR recently?  The only people who are likely to have
a working vcr today are those who so infrequently use it that it won't
be a great loss.

Granted, I've ignored those who had one fail and have a large/
worthwhile library of existing VHS tapes recorded, but let this be a
wakeup call, that when we are forced to change tech, it's time to make
backups onto the more current media.

Today, VHS seems such a crude low-res media to use but I realize some
priceless footage may have been shot or saved in that limited format.
The only good answer is buy a VCR if what you have is worth the cost,
just to convert it digitally, and move on.

Move on ??????????
Dump about 80 bought titles(Disney,Stargate,Asterix,etc,etc,etc) and
numerous recorded ones?
Or do you have a reliable way of digitizing commercial tapes?
One which avoids the drm mangling?
If so, I would gladly convert, but I estimate 3-6 month hard work.

If not, its worthwhile to keep a VCR around.

Hard work? If these videos are worth keeping, they're worth the 2
hours (mostly unattended) to capture to a PC, 5 minutes to cue them
all up in a conversion application for the target output (if the
machine wasn't fast enough to do this in realtime, which modern dual +
core processors easily are, and another few minutes to put onto DVD or
whatever.

What's the alternative? You feel magnetic tape won't degrade sitting
around for years longer?

 

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article
<1f7f86aa-bbe2-4628-8eba-18f2cdbb5e96@v42g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
<emailaddress@insightbb.com> wrote:

Hard work? If these videos are worth keeping, they're worth the 2
hours (mostly unattended) to capture to a PC, 5 minutes to cue them
all up in a conversion application for the target output (if the
machine wasn't fast enough to do this in realtime, which modern dual +
core processors easily are, and another few minutes to put onto DVD or
whatever.

What's the alternative? You feel magnetic tape won't degrade sitting
around for years longer?

My experience says magnetic tape has rather a longer life than home burned
DVDs, etc. I reckon you're lucky if they last 10 years without developing
errors.

Quite a problem, archiving. So far properly stored film seems to have the
longest life.

--
*Rehab is for quitters.

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

 

[Michael Kennedy]

"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
news:50325fedcbdave@davenoise.co.uk...

In article
1f7f86aa-bbe2-4628-8eba-18f2cdbb5e96@v42g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
emailaddress@insightbb.com> wrote:
Hard work? If these videos are worth keeping, they're worth the 2
hours (mostly unattended) to capture to a PC, 5 minutes to cue them
all up in a conversion application for the target output (if the
machine wasn't fast enough to do this in realtime, which modern dual +
core processors easily are, and another few minutes to put onto DVD or
whatever.

What's the alternative? You feel magnetic tape won't degrade sitting
around for years longer?

My experience says magnetic tape has rather a longer life than home burned
DVDs, etc. I reckon you're lucky if they last 10 years without developing
errors.

Quite a problem, archiving. So far properly stored film seems to have the
longest life.

My thoughts exactly on the DVD vs VHS debate. Sure the qulaity isn't there,
but it is passable for watching. Its definately better than youtube.

 

On Feb 23, 9:04 pm, "Michael Kennedy" <mikek...@crap.comcast.net>
wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" <d...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in messagenews:50325fedcbdave@davenoise.co.uk...



In article
1f7f86aa-bbe2-4628-8eba-18f2cdbb5...@v42g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
  <emailaddr...@insightbb.com> wrote:
Hard work?  If these videos are worth keeping, they're worth the 2
hours (mostly unattended) to capture to a PC, 5 minutes to cue them
all up in a conversion application for the target output (if the
machine wasn't fast enough to do this in realtime, which modern dual +
core processors easily are, and another few minutes to put onto DVD or
whatever.

What's the alternative?  You feel magnetic tape won't degrade sitting
around for years longer?

My experience says magnetic tape has rather a longer life than home burned
DVDs, etc. I reckon you're lucky if they last 10 years without developing
errors.

Quite a problem, archiving. So far properly stored film seems to have the
longest life.

My thoughts exactly on the DVD vs VHS debate. Sure the qulaity isn't there,
but it is passable for watching. Its definately better than youtube.

Are you comparing Apples:Apples? Watching VHS on a high-res computer
monitor or on a low-res. CRT TV? What I've seen of VHS input on a
computer monitor looked terrible, while computer output to a TV looked
pretty good even if it's utube. VHS is passable, but barely once you
get used to better.

 

On Feb 23, 7:48 pm, "Dave Plowman (News)" <d...@davenoise.co.uk>
wrote:

What's the alternative?  You feel magnetic tape won't degrade sitting
around for years longer?

My experience says magnetic tape has rather a longer life than home burned
DVDs, etc. I reckon you're lucky if they last 10 years without developing
errors.

Quite a problem, archiving. So far properly stored film seems to have the
longest life.

Magnetic tape, stored in a good environment, does have good lifespan.
Even so, a lot of tapes are probably several years old at this point
so the remaining alternative is duping back to tape again, or another
method. We can't really know if today's DVDs will last 10 years or
not, since they've not been around 10 years and accelerated testing
tends to use perfect samples and suggests far longer. I would tend to
trust data on a slow burnt DVD more than a CDR since they are encased
on both sides, providing they're not set in strong sunlight a long
time. Either way, a good strategy would be to make two copies, each
on different lot, different brand of media.

Another option these days might be flash storage. Considering the low
resolution of VHS, videos with typical compression shouldn't be very
large, so $1/GB flash prices we're starting to see these days could
allow for reliable storage at reasonable cost (if it's worth backing
up at all, anything that can't be had on a retail DVD). In 10 years
when the flash storage retention rating has expired, flash memory will
be that much cheaper per GB.

 

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article
<c0f1b61b-8ad7-489a-97c5-bbc625e97372@l16g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,
<emailaddress@insightbb.com> wrote:

My experience says magnetic tape has rather a longer life than home
burned DVDs, etc. I reckon you're lucky if they last 10 years without
developing errors.

Quite a problem, archiving. So far properly stored film seems to have
the longest life.

Magnetic tape, stored in a good environment, does have good lifespan.

Depends on what you consider a good lifetime. My earliest VHS tapes became
unusable some time ago due to oxide shedding. At I suppose about 20 years
old. Same sort of thing applies to early pro formats - assuming you can
find a working machine to play them on.

Even so, a lot of tapes are probably several years old at this point
so the remaining alternative is duping back to tape again, or another
method. We can't really know if today's DVDs will last 10 years or
not, since they've not been around 10 years and accelerated testing
tends to use perfect samples and suggests far longer.

Not my experience with home burned CDs. Have some giving problems at less
than 10 years old which was a guess figure. Commercial ones use different
media.

I would tend to trust data on a slow burnt DVD more than a CDR since
they are encased on both sides, providing they're not set in strong
sunlight a long time. Either way, a good strategy would be to make two
copies, each on different lot, different brand of media.

Trouble is you'll not know which make is best until after the problems
start.

Another option these days might be flash storage. Considering the low
resolution of VHS, videos with typical compression shouldn't be very
large, so $1/GB flash prices we're starting to see these days could
allow for reliable storage at reasonable cost (if it's worth backing
up at all, anything that can't be had on a retail DVD). In 10 years
when the flash storage retention rating has expired, flash memory will
be that much cheaper per GB.

Maybe. But anything which requires such frequent backing up isn't really
much use for archiving.

--
*Learn from your parents' mistakes - use birth control

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

 

[krw]

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On Feb 23, 1:18 pm, krw <k...@att.zzzzzzzzz> wrote:
In article <gnuo1d$c8...@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>,
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In article <gnunja$c8...@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>,
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In article <gnumml$c8...@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>,
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In article <fc5e159b-a167-4b49-8205-97b841823391
@i38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, emailaddr...@insightbb.com says...>=20
On Feb 21, 6:41=A0am, Ron <r...@quik.com> wrote:
I rather like the new digital pictures being broadcast these days,
but
I have to wonder what is going to happen with all of those VCRs that
people love to set for delayed programming--- andthere are a lot of
folks who do tape shows while away or at work-- when June 12 rolls
around and VCR tuners won't be able to tune into the new digital
signals?

Ron
=20
Who has bought a VCR recently?  The only people who are likely to have
a working vcr today are those who so infrequently use it that it won't
be a great loss.

I have, within the last year.

Granted, I've ignored those who had one fail and have a large/
worthwhile library of existing VHS tapes recorded, but let this be a
wakeup call, that when we are forced to change tech, it's time to make
backups onto the more current media.

How?
=20

VHS to DVD copy machine ??

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=6457304&findingM...

Copy protection?

On recorded tapes ???

Absolutely!  My DVDR refuses to copy prerecorded tapes.

I guess it records blank tapes !

Good grief.



I said recorded. Not pre recorded.

Learn to read.

Who needs to record a bought movie. Get the high resolution DVD.

Learn to read.  1) Not all titles have been made available on DVD.
2) Why should I (have to) buy another copy of what I already have a
license for? 2a) I would, but see 1).

Since movies aren't a life necessity,

Apparently too late for this advice but, don't be an ass.

it's hardly important whether
every last one is available on DVD. What if you dupe only those that
aren't available on DVD yourself, or just accept that you don't really
need a library of every movie you've already seen once.

If I bought the movie I'm intending to watch it more than once (and
have most likely already seen it). If you could read you'd have
already understood that I BOUGHT THE VCR BECAUSE WE HAVE MOVIES
THAT WE DO WATCH, MANY TIMES, AND THEY CANNOT BE COPIED TO DVD WITH
OUR DVD RECORDER. Understand now?

<what a maroon>

 

[Michael Kennedy]

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On Feb 23, 1:18 pm, krw <k...@att.zzzzzzzzz> wrote:
In article <gnuo1d$c8...@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>,
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In article <MPG.240c9ea869292d08989...@news.individual.net>, krw
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k...@att.zzzzzzzzz> wrote:
In article <fc5e159b-a167-4b49-8205-97b841823391
@i38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, emailaddr...@insightbb.com
says...>=20
On Feb 21, 6:41=A0am, Ron <r...@quik.com> wrote:
I rather like the new digital pictures being broadcast
these days,
but
I have to wonder what is going to happen with all of those
VCRs that
people love to set for delayed programming--- andthere are
a lot of
folks who do tape shows while away or at work-- when June
12 rolls
around and VCR tuners won't be able to tune into the new
digital
signals?

Ron
=20
Who has bought a VCR recently? The only people who are likely
to have
a working vcr today are those who so infrequently use it that
it won't
be a great loss.

I have, within the last year.

Granted, I've ignored those who had one fail and have a
large/
worthwhile library of existing VHS tapes recorded, but let
this be a
wakeup call, that when we are forced to change tech, it's
time to make
backups onto the more current media.

How?
=20

VHS to DVD copy machine ??

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=6457304&findingM...

Copy protection?

On recorded tapes ???

Absolutely! My DVDR refuses to copy prerecorded tapes.

I guess it records blank tapes !

Good grief.



I said recorded. Not pre recorded.

Learn to read.

Who needs to record a bought movie. Get the high resolution DVD.

Learn to read. 1) Not all titles have been made available on DVD.
2) Why should I (have to) buy another copy of what I already have a
license for? 2a) I would, but see 1).

Since movies aren't a life necessity,

Apparently too late for this advice but, don't be an ass.

it's hardly important whether
every last one is available on DVD. What if you dupe only those that
aren't available on DVD yourself, or just accept that you don't really
need a library of every movie you've already seen once.

If I bought the movie I'm intending to watch it more than once (and
have most likely already seen it). If you could read you'd have
already understood that I BOUGHT THE VCR BECAUSE WE HAVE MOVIES
THAT WE DO WATCH, MANY TIMES, AND THEY CANNOT BE COPIED TO DVD WITH
OUR DVD RECORDER. Understand now?

<what a maroon>



Its usenet.. Someone is always going to complain about what you say. Just
don't worry about it.

 

[krw]

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k...@att.zzzzzzzzz> wrote:
In article <fc5e159b-a167-4b49-8205-97b841823391
@i38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, emailaddr...@insightbb.com
says...>=20
On Feb 21, 6:41=A0am, Ron <r...@quik.com> wrote:
I rather like the new digital pictures being broadcast
these days,
but
I have to wonder what is going to happen with all of those
VCRs that
people love to set for delayed programming--- andthere are
a lot of
folks who do tape shows while away or at work-- when June
12 rolls
around and VCR tuners won't be able to tune into the new
digital
signals?

Ron
=20
Who has bought a VCR recently? The only people who are likely
to have
a working vcr today are those who so infrequently use it that
it won't
be a great loss.

I have, within the last year.

Granted, I've ignored those who had one fail and have a
large/
worthwhile library of existing VHS tapes recorded, but let
this be a
wakeup call, that when we are forced to change tech, it's
time to make
backups onto the more current media.

How?
=20

VHS to DVD copy machine ??

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=6457304&findingM...

Copy protection?

On recorded tapes ???

Absolutely! My DVDR refuses to copy prerecorded tapes.

I guess it records blank tapes !

Good grief.



I said recorded. Not pre recorded.

Learn to read.

Who needs to record a bought movie. Get the high resolution DVD.

Learn to read. 1) Not all titles have been made available on DVD.
2) Why should I (have to) buy another copy of what I already have a
license for? 2a) I would, but see 1).

Since movies aren't a life necessity,

Apparently too late for this advice but, don't be an ass.

it's hardly important whether
every last one is available on DVD. What if you dupe only those that
aren't available on DVD yourself, or just accept that you don't really
need a library of every movie you've already seen once.

If I bought the movie I'm intending to watch it more than once (and
have most likely already seen it). If you could read you'd have
already understood that I BOUGHT THE VCR BECAUSE WE HAVE MOVIES
THAT WE DO WATCH, MANY TIMES, AND THEY CANNOT BE COPIED TO DVD WITH
OUR DVD RECORDER. Understand now?

what a maroon



Its usenet.. Someone is always going to complain about what you say. Just
don't worry about it.

Not worried at all, though true 'nuff. ...and they tend to be as
illiterate as "email".

 

On Feb 24, 2:00 am, "Dave Plowman (News)" <d...@davenoise.co.uk>
wrote:

In article
c0f1b61b-8ad7-489a-97c5-
bbc625e97...@l16g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,
   <emailaddr...@insightbb.com> wrote:

My experience says magnetic tape has rather a longer life than
home
burned DVDs, etc. I reckon you're lucky if they last 10 years
without
developing errors.

Quite a problem, archiving. So far properly stored film seems
to have
the longest life.
Magnetic tape, stored in a good environment, does have good
lifespan.

Depends on what you consider a good lifetime. My earliest VHS tapes
became
unusable some time ago due to oxide shedding. At I suppose about 20
years
old. Same sort of thing applies to early pro formats - assuming you
can
find a working machine to play them on.

The oldest 2" quad broadcast we've played in the last 3 years was from
1969. Most reels over 30 years old require a trip through the
dehydrator of 13 hours at 135 F

Even so, a lot of tapes are probably several years old at this
point
so the remaining alternative is duping back to tape again, or
another
method.  We can't really know if today's DVDs will last 10 years
or
not, since they've not been around 10 years and accelerated
testing
tends to use perfect samples and suggests far longer.

Not my experience with home burned CDs. Have some giving problems
at less
than 10 years old which was a guess figure. Commercial ones use
different
media.  

I have some 10 year old CD recordables that played fine last month - I
was a little surprised.

I would tend to trust data on a slow burnt DVD more than a CDR
since
they are encased on both sides, providing they're not set in
strong
sunlight a long time.  Either way, a good strategy would be to
make two
copies, each on different lot, different brand of media.

My 10 year old CDs were burned at 2X as that was all I had at the
time.

Trouble is you'll not know which make is best until after the
problems
start.

Another option these days might be flash storage.  Considering
the low
resolution of VHS, videos with typical compression shouldn't be
very
large, so $1/GB flash prices we're starting to see these days
could
allow for reliable storage at reasonable cost (if it's worth
backing
up at all, anything that can't be had on a retail DVD).  In 10
years
when the flash storage retention rating has expired, flash memory
will
be that much cheaper per GB.

Maybe. But anything which requires such frequent backing up isn't
really
much use for archiving.

I trust flash storage least of all but I have no hard data to support
my bias.

Archiving digital is NOT a trivial problem.

G˛

 

[GregS]

In article <ef39c5e2-a543-40ac-883e-73fd84c20627@l1g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, stratus46@yahoo.com wrote:

On Feb 24, 2:00=A0am, "Dave Plowman (News)" <d...@davenoise.co.uk
wrote:
In article
c0f1b61b-8ad7-489a-97c5-
bbc625e97...@l16g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,
=A0 =A0<emailaddr...@insightbb.com> wrote:

My experience says magnetic tape has rather a longer life than
home
burned DVDs, etc. I reckon you're lucky if they last 10 years
without
developing errors.

Quite a problem, archiving. So far properly stored film seems
to have
the longest life.
Magnetic tape, stored in a good environment, does have good
lifespan.

Depends on what you consider a good lifetime. My earliest VHS tapes
became
unusable some time ago due to oxide shedding. At I suppose about 20
years
old. Same sort of thing applies to early pro formats - assuming you
can
find a working machine to play them on.

The oldest 2" quad broadcast we've played in the last 3 years was from
1969. Most reels over 30 years old require a trip through the
dehydrator of 13 hours at 135 F

Even so, a lot of tapes are probably several years old at this
point
so the remaining alternative is duping back to tape again, or
another
method. =A0We can't really know if today's DVDs will last 10 years
or
not, since they've not been around 10 years and accelerated
testing
tends to use perfect samples and suggests far longer.

Not my experience with home burned CDs. Have some giving problems
at less
than 10 years old which was a guess figure. Commercial ones use
different
media. =A0

I have some 10 year old CD recordables that played fine last month - I
was a little surprised.

I would tend to trust data on a slow burnt DVD more than a CDR
since
they are encased on both sides, providing they're not set in
strong
sunlight a long time. =A0Either way, a good strategy would be to
make two
copies, each on different lot, different brand of media.

My 10 year old CDs were burned at 2X as that was all I had at the
time.

Trouble is you'll not know which make is best until after the
problems
start.

Another option these days might be flash storage. =A0Considering
the low
resolution of VHS, videos with typical compression shouldn't be
very
large, so $1/GB flash prices we're starting to see these days
could
allow for reliable storage at reasonable cost (if it's worth
backing
up at all, anything that can't be had on a retail DVD). =A0In 10
years
when the flash storage retention rating has expired, flash memory
will
be that much cheaper per GB.

Maybe. But anything which requires such frequent backing up isn't
really
much use for archiving.


I trust flash storage least of all but I have no hard data to support
my bias.

Archiving digital is NOT a trivial problem.

G=B2

They archieved the first moon walk in digital format, but erased the tape.
That does not hold up well at all..
Actually somebody found an analog real time recording of that, but
I have not heard if they were able to play the tape back.

I know many of the old floppies do not work any more. I have tons I need to throw
away. I still get request to archieve the real big floppies and Beta tapes.

greg

 

[GMAN]

In article <sCrol.32205$cI2.27244@newsfe09.iad>, UCLAN <nomail@thanks.org> wrote:

Ron wrote:

$60 - $75. But, wouldn't that be best put towards a DVR purchase?

Like someone else said here, I don't particularly care for DVRs
either. Maybe I'm just an old fart who doesn't like change-- and in
fact, I knew there was going to be nothing that I would like about the
21st century; pity that I was right about that.

Nothing like having a DVR erase or "lose" a recording before you have a
chance to view it. Never happens with my VCRs.
Never happened with my DirecTV Tivo units!

 

[GMAN]

In article <slrngq5am4.t4g.rogblake10@otaku.freeshell.org>, Roger Blake <rogblake10@iname10.com> wrote:

On 2009-02-23, Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
Of course with good housekeeping those can be minimised - but a PVR does
all that for you.

Don't need a "PVR," "DVR," or whatever other name you want to give those
useless gadgets. VCRs have meet my needs perfectly for decades and I see no
reason to change.

Hows that horse and buggy working out fur ya????

 

[GregS]

In article <go1hqf$k16$3@news.xmission.com>, glen_zabriskie@comcast.net (GMAN) wrote:

In article <slrngq5am4.t4g.rogblake10@otaku.freeshell.org>, Roger Blake
rogblake10@iname10.com> wrote:
On 2009-02-23, Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
Of course with good housekeeping those can be minimised - but a PVR does
all that for you.

Don't need a "PVR," "DVR," or whatever other name you want to give those
useless gadgets. VCRs have meet my needs perfectly for decades and I see no
reason to change.

Hows that horse and buggy working out fur ya????

If nothing else a VCR can be used as an automatic volume control for audio.
Great for TV. Feed it in, and take it out while in rec mode,.
I remember the first HI FI VCR I had with a 100 buttons, sliders. You could
even take off the compression. I had started recording just audio on it.
I still have a bunch of early 80's HBO concerts on tape. Including the Who's
last performance. That was the early 80's i said.

greg

 

[Roger Blake]

On 2009-02-24, GMAN <glen_zabriskie@comcast.net> wrote:

Hows that horse and buggy working out fur ya????

How is that dormant organ rotting between your ears working "fur" you?

--
Roger Blake
(Subtract 10s for email. "Google Groups" messages killfiled due to spam.)
"Obama dozed while people froze."

 

On Feb 24, 9:10 am, krw <k...@att.zzzzzzzzz> wrote:

In article <7f182c31-06db-46f1-8302-
1793798d7...@x38g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
emailaddr...@insightbb.com says...



On Feb 23, 1:18 pm, krw <k...@att.zzzzzzzzz> wrote:
In article <gnuo1d$c8...@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>,
zekfr...@zekfrivolous.com says...

In article <MPG.240c9ea869292d08989...@news.individual.net>, krw <k....@att.zzzzzzzzz> wrote:
In article <gnunja$c8...@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>,
zekfr...@zekfrivolous.com says...
In article <MPG.240c9ba72c4f0de6989...@news.individual.net>, krw
k...@att.zzzzzzzzz> wrote:
In article <gnumml$c8...@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>,
zekfr...@zekfrivolous.com says...
In article <MPG.240c8aadd514d4b0989...@news.individual.net>, krw
k...@att.zzzzzzzzz> wrote:
In article <fc5e159b-a167-4b49-8205-97b841823391
@i38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, emailaddr...@insightbb.com says...>=20
On Feb 21, 6:41=A0am, Ron <r...@quik.com> wrote:
I rather like the new digital pictures being broadcast these days,
but
I have to wonder what is going to happen with all of those VCRs that
people love to set for delayed programming--- andthere are a lot of
folks who do tape shows while away or at work-- when June 12 rolls
around and VCR tuners won't be able to tune into the new digital
signals?

Ron
=20
Who has bought a VCR recently?  The only people who are likely to have
a working vcr today are those who so infrequently use it that it won't
be a great loss.

I have, within the last year.

Granted, I've ignored those who had one fail and have a large/
worthwhile library of existing VHS tapes recorded, but let this be a
wakeup call, that when we are forced to change tech, it's time to make
backups onto the more current media.

How?
=20

VHS to DVD copy machine ??

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=6457304&findingM...

Copy protection?

On recorded tapes ???

Absolutely!  My DVDR refuses to copy prerecorded tapes.

I guess it records blank tapes !

Good grief.

I said recorded. Not pre recorded.

Learn to read.

Who needs to record a bought movie. Get the high resolution DVD.

Learn to read.  1) Not all titles have been made available on DVD.
2) Why should I (have to) buy another copy of what I already have a
license for? 2a) I would, but see 1).

Since movies aren't a life necessity,

Apparently too late for this advice but, don't be an ass.

it's hardly important whether
every last one is available on DVD.  What if you dupe only those that
aren't available on DVD yourself, or just accept that you don't really
need a library of every movie you've already seen once.

If I bought the movie I'm intending to watch it more than once (and
have most likely already seen it).  If you could read you'd have
already understood that I BOUGHT THE VCR BECAUSE WE HAVE MOVIES
THAT WE DO WATCH, MANY TIMES, AND THEY CANNOT BE COPIED TO DVD WITH
OUR DVD RECORDER.  Understand now?

what a maroon

I understood fine, you have an illogical stance that rewatching the
same movies is more important than it really is, and that because you
bought one device that won't dupe, that is some kind of argument
against using a different device that can. Name-calling at that point
was irony.

 

[krw]

In article <e24aee15-9ab9-4001-b390-
aeb0652f4d9c@v19g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
emailaddress@insightbb.com says...>

On Feb 24, 9:10 am, krw <k...@att.zzzzzzzzz> wrote:
In article <7f182c31-06db-46f1-8302-
1793798d7...@x38g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
emailaddr...@insightbb.com says...



On Feb 23, 1:18 pm, krw <k...@att.zzzzzzzzz> wrote:
In article <gnuo1d$c8...@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>,
zekfr...@zekfrivolous.com says...

In article <MPG.240c9ea869292d08989...@news.individual.net>, krw <k...@att.zzzzzzzzz> wrote:
In article <gnunja$c8...@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>,
zekfr...@zekfrivolous.com says...
In article <MPG.240c9ba72c4f0de6989...@news.individual.net>, krw
k...@att.zzzzzzzzz> wrote:
In article <gnumml$c8...@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>,
zekfr...@zekfrivolous.com says...
In article <MPG.240c8aadd514d4b0989...@news.individual.net>, krw
k...@att.zzzzzzzzz> wrote:
In article <fc5e159b-a167-4b49-8205-97b841823391
@i38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, emailaddr...@insightbb.com says...>=20
On Feb 21, 6:41=A0am, Ron <r...@quik.com> wrote:
I rather like the new digital pictures being broadcast these days,
but
I have to wonder what is going to happen with all of those VCRs that
people love to set for delayed programming--- andthere are a lot of
folks who do tape shows while away or at work-- when June 12 rolls
around and VCR tuners won't be able to tune into the new digital
signals?

Ron
=20
Who has bought a VCR recently?  The only people who are likely to have
a working vcr today are those who so infrequently use it that it won't
be a great loss.

I have, within the last year.

Granted, I've ignored those who had one fail and have a large/
worthwhile library of existing VHS tapes recorded, but let this be a
wakeup call, that when we are forced to change tech, it's time to make
backups onto the more current media.

How?
=20

VHS to DVD copy machine ??

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=6457304&findingM...

Copy protection?

On recorded tapes ???

Absolutely!  My DVDR refuses to copy prerecorded tapes.

I guess it records blank tapes !

Good grief.

I said recorded. Not pre recorded.

Learn to read.

Who needs to record a bought movie. Get the high resolution DVD.

Learn to read.  1) Not all titles have been made available on DVD..
2) Why should I (have to) buy another copy of what I already have a
license for? 2a) I would, but see 1).

Since movies aren't a life necessity,

Apparently too late for this advice but, don't be an ass.

it's hardly important whether
every last one is available on DVD.  What if you dupe only those that
aren't available on DVD yourself, or just accept that you don't really
need a library of every movie you've already seen once.

If I bought the movie I'm intending to watch it more than once (and
have most likely already seen it).  If you could read you'd have
already understood that I BOUGHT THE VCR BECAUSE WE HAVE MOVIES
THAT WE DO WATCH, MANY TIMES, AND THEY CANNOT BE COPIED TO DVD WITH
OUR DVD RECORDER.  Understand now?

what a maroon

I understood fine,

Then the only possible conclusion is that you're stupid.

you have an illogical stance that rewatching the
same movies is more important than it really is, and that because you
bought one device that won't dupe, that is some kind of argument
against using a different device that can.

You really are illiterate. I said no such thing.

Name-calling at that point was irony.

No, it's called "honesty". Not only are you illiterate, you really
*are* stupid.

 

On Feb 24, 4:46 pm, krw <k...@att.zzzzzzzzz> wrote:

In article <e24aee15-9ab9-4001-b390-
aeb0652f4...@v19g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
emailaddr...@insightbb.com says...



On Feb 24, 9:10 am, krw <k...@att.zzzzzzzzz> wrote:
In article <7f182c31-06db-46f1-8302-
1793798d7...@x38g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
emailaddr...@insightbb.com says...

On Feb 23, 1:18 pm, krw <k...@att.zzzzzzzzz> wrote:
In article <gnuo1d$c8...@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>,
zekfr...@zekfrivolous.com says...

In article <MPG.240c9ea869292d08989...@news.individual.net>, krw <k...@att.zzzzzzzzz> wrote:
In article <gnunja$c8...@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>,
zekfr...@zekfrivolous.com says...
In article <MPG.240c9ba72c4f0de6989...@news.individual.net>, krw
k...@att.zzzzzzzzz> wrote:
In article <gnumml$c8...@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>,
zekfr...@zekfrivolous.com says...
In article <MPG.240c8aadd514d4b0989...@news.individual.net>, krw
k...@att.zzzzzzzzz> wrote:
In article <fc5e159b-a167-4b49-8205-97b841823391
@i38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, emailaddr...@insightbb.com says...>=20
On Feb 21, 6:41=A0am, Ron <r...@quik.com> wrote:
I rather like the new digital pictures being broadcast these days,
but
I have to wonder what is going to happen with all of those VCRs that
people love to set for delayed programming--- andthere are a lot of
folks who do tape shows while away or at work-- when June 12 rolls
around and VCR tuners won't be able to tune into the new digital
signals?

Ron
=20
Who has bought a VCR recently?  The only people who are likely to have
a working vcr today are those who so infrequently use it that it won't
be a great loss.

I have, within the last year.

Granted, I've ignored those who had one fail and have a large/
worthwhile library of existing VHS tapes recorded, but let this be a
wakeup call, that when we are forced to change tech, it's time to make
backups onto the more current media.

How?
=20

VHS to DVD copy machine ??

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=6457304&findingM...

Copy protection?

On recorded tapes ???

Absolutely!  My DVDR refuses to copy prerecorded tapes.

I guess it records blank tapes !

Good grief.

I said recorded. Not pre recorded.

Learn to read.

Who needs to record a bought movie. Get the high resolution DVD..

Learn to read.  1) Not all titles have been made available on DVD.
2) Why should I (have to) buy another copy of what I already have a
license for? 2a) I would, but see 1).

Since movies aren't a life necessity,

Apparently too late for this advice but, don't be an ass.

it's hardly important whether
every last one is available on DVD.  What if you dupe only those that
aren't available on DVD yourself, or just accept that you don't really
need a library of every movie you've already seen once.

If I bought the movie I'm intending to watch it more than once (and
have most likely already seen it).  If you could read you'd have
already understood that I BOUGHT THE VCR BECAUSE WE HAVE MOVIES
THAT WE DO WATCH, MANY TIMES, AND THEY CANNOT BE COPIED TO DVD WITH
OUR DVD RECORDER.  Understand now?

what a maroon

I understood fine,

Then the only possible conclusion is that you're stupid.

you have an illogical stance that rewatching the
same movies is more important than it really is, and that because you
bought one device that won't dupe, that is some kind of argument
against using a different device that can.

You really are illiterate.  I said no such thing.

 Name-calling at that point was irony.

No, it's called "honesty".  Not only are you illiterate, you really
*are* stupid.

It's called honesty if anyone asked for your opinion. I'm doubting
that happens often.

 

[Ron]

TV. Besides, where will you get tapes? They're going away fast.

A nasty rumor only. I can get tapes easily in 8 hour three packs and
single six hour tapes for $1.99 apiece at Walgreens as well as other
stores like Safeway and Target; there never seems to be any shortage.
I suppose that IF there does come a day that VHS tapes become as
extinct as the dinosaurs and the dodo bird, *then* I'll switch to
something else, but not until that day comes.

Ron

 

[krw]

In article <8ca7aa05-40f0-4ec6-81d4-
206fd704411c@h20g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
emailaddress@insightbb.com says...>

On Feb 24, 4:46 pm, krw <k...@att.zzzzzzzzz> wrote:
In article <e24aee15-9ab9-4001-b390-
aeb0652f4...@v19g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
emailaddr...@insightbb.com says...



On Feb 24, 9:10 am, krw <k...@att.zzzzzzzzz> wrote:
In article <7f182c31-06db-46f1-8302-
1793798d7...@x38g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
emailaddr...@insightbb.com says...

On Feb 23, 1:18 pm, krw <k...@att.zzzzzzzzz> wrote:
In article <gnuo1d$c8...@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>,
zekfr...@zekfrivolous.com says...

In article <MPG.240c9ea869292d08989...@news.individual.net>, krw <k...@att.zzzzzzzzz> wrote:
In article <gnunja$c8...@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>,
zekfr...@zekfrivolous.com says...
In article <MPG.240c9ba72c4f0de6989...@news.individual.net>, krw
k...@att.zzzzzzzzz> wrote:
In article <gnumml$c8...@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>,
zekfr...@zekfrivolous.com says...
In article <MPG.240c8aadd514d4b0989...@news.individual.net>, krw
k...@att.zzzzzzzzz> wrote:
In article <fc5e159b-a167-4b49-8205-97b841823391
@i38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, emailaddr...@insightbb..com says...>=20
On Feb 21, 6:41=A0am, Ron <r...@quik.com> wrote:
I rather like the new digital pictures being broadcast these days,
but
I have to wonder what is going to happen with all of those VCRs that
people love to set for delayed programming--- andthere are a lot of
folks who do tape shows while away or at work-- when June 12 rolls
around and VCR tuners won't be able to tune into the new digital
signals?

Ron
=20
Who has bought a VCR recently?  The only people who are likely to have
a working vcr today are those who so infrequently use it that it won't
be a great loss.

I have, within the last year.

Granted, I've ignored those who had one fail and have a large/
worthwhile library of existing VHS tapes recorded, but let this be a
wakeup call, that when we are forced to change tech, it's time to make
backups onto the more current media.

How?
=20

VHS to DVD copy machine ??

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=6457304&findingM...

Copy protection?

On recorded tapes ???

Absolutely!  My DVDR refuses to copy prerecorded tapes.

I guess it records blank tapes !

Good grief.

I said recorded. Not pre recorded.

Learn to read.

Who needs to record a bought movie. Get the high resolution DVD.

Learn to read.  1) Not all titles have been made available on DVD.
2) Why should I (have to) buy another copy of what I already have a
license for? 2a) I would, but see 1).

Since movies aren't a life necessity,

Apparently too late for this advice but, don't be an ass.

it's hardly important whether
every last one is available on DVD.  What if you dupe only those that
aren't available on DVD yourself, or just accept that you don't really
need a library of every movie you've already seen once.

If I bought the movie I'm intending to watch it more than once (and
have most likely already seen it).  If you could read you'd have
already understood that I BOUGHT THE VCR BECAUSE WE HAVE MOVIES
THAT WE DO WATCH, MANY TIMES, AND THEY CANNOT BE COPIED TO DVD WITH
OUR DVD RECORDER.  Understand now?

what a maroon

I understood fine,

Then the only possible conclusion is that you're stupid.

you have an illogical stance that rewatching the
same movies is more important than it really is, and that because you
bought one device that won't dupe, that is some kind of argument
against using a different device that can.

You really are illiterate.  I said no such thing.

 Name-calling at that point was irony.

No, it's called "honesty".  Not only are you illiterate, you really
*are* stupid.

It's called honesty if anyone asked for your opinion. I'm doubting
that happens often.

What a dumb shit you are. This is a public forum. By the way,
*YOU* replied to my post.

Your mother must be embarrassed.