no income tax!...

[John Larkin]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-republicans-vote-bill-abolishing-irs-eliminating-income-tax

I\'ve been wanting this for a long time. The income tax is an expensive
nightmare, a feeding trough for lawyers and accountants and cheating
experts. It drives businesses and jobs offshore.

A sales tax is easy to implement and police. It\'s voluntary too; just
exempt the things necessary to decent family survival. Buy a BMW if
you really want one.

I think sales tax should be visible at purchase time, but it could be
hidden, like VAT.

The \"fair share\" that businesses pay is to move to Ireland or Mexico.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 1:08:58 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-republicans-vote-bill-abolishing-irs-eliminating-income-tax

I\'ve been wanting this for a long time. The income tax is an expensive
nightmare, a feeding trough for lawyers and accountants and cheating
experts. It drives businesses and jobs offshore.

A sales tax is easy to implement and police. It\'s voluntary too; just
exempt the things necessary to decent family survival. Buy a BMW if
you really want one.

I think sales tax should be visible at purchase time, but it could be
hidden, like VAT.

The \"fair share\" that businesses pay is to move to Ireland or Mexico.

That\'s another \"fact-free\" assertion you must have heard on a radio broadcast. You\'re being conned by uneducated, manipulative idiots who don\'t know what they\'re talking about.

Here\'re some facts and figures. Federal income tax alone has amounted to $289B year to date this fy, which would be Oct-Dec mostly. Sounds like a lot, but it\'s only 10% of what they threw away in Afghanistan. All the reform in the world will not correct for a horrendously mismanaged government. You figure out how to fix that first, otherwise you\'re just asking for more of the same with your wacky tax reform ideas- just more waste under a different system.

https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/government-revenue/

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 1:08:58 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-republicans-vote-bill-abolishing-irs-eliminating-income-tax

I\'ve been wanting this for a long time. The income tax is an expensive
nightmare, a feeding trough for lawyers and accountants and cheating
experts. It drives businesses and jobs offshore.

A sales tax is easy to implement and police. It\'s voluntary too; just
exempt the things necessary to decent family survival. Buy a BMW if
you really want one.

I think sales tax should be visible at purchase time, but it could be
hidden, like VAT.

The \"fair share\" that businesses pay is to move to Ireland or Mexico.

That\'s another \"fact-free\" assertion you must have heard on a radio broadcast. You\'re being conned by uneducated, manipulative idiots who don\'t know what they\'re talking about.

Here\'re some facts and figures. Federal income tax alone has amounted to $289B year to date this fy, which would be Oct-Dec mostly. Sounds like a lot, but it\'s only 10% of what they threw away in Afghanistan. All the reform in the world will not correct for a horrendously mismanaged government. You figure out how to fix that first, otherwise you\'re just asking for more of the same with your wacky tax reform ideas- just more waste under a different system.

https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/government-revenue/

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 1:08:58 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-republicans-vote-bill-abolishing-irs-eliminating-income-tax

I\'ve been wanting this for a long time. The income tax is an expensive
nightmare, a feeding trough for lawyers and accountants and cheating
experts. It drives businesses and jobs offshore.

A sales tax is easy to implement and police. It\'s voluntary too; just
exempt the things necessary to decent family survival. Buy a BMW if
you really want one.

I think sales tax should be visible at purchase time, but it could be
hidden, like VAT.

The \"fair share\" that businesses pay is to move to Ireland or Mexico.

That\'s another \"fact-free\" assertion you must have heard on a radio broadcast. You\'re being conned by uneducated, manipulative idiots who don\'t know what they\'re talking about.

Here\'re some facts and figures. Federal income tax alone has amounted to $289B year to date this fy, which would be Oct-Dec mostly. Sounds like a lot, but it\'s only 10% of what they threw away in Afghanistan. All the reform in the world will not correct for a horrendously mismanaged government. You figure out how to fix that first, otherwise you\'re just asking for more of the same with your wacky tax reform ideas- just more waste under a different system.

https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/government-revenue/

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 15:12:56 -0800 (PST), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

tirsdag den 10. januar 2023 kl. 23.25.24 UTC+1 skrev bitrex:
On 1/10/2023 1:08 PM, John Larkin wrote:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-republicans-vote-bill-abolishing-irs-eliminating-income-tax

I\'ve been wanting this for a long time. The income tax is an expensive
nightmare, a feeding trough for lawyers and accountants and cheating
experts. It drives businesses and jobs offshore.

A sales tax is easy to implement and police. It\'s voluntary too; just
exempt the things necessary to decent family survival. Buy a BMW if
you really want one.

I think sales tax should be visible at purchase time, but it could be
hidden, like VAT.

The \"fair share\" that businesses pay is to move to Ireland or Mexico.

Great! Hopefully the government will have no choice then but to stop
spending 1 trillion a year on the military, and another 100-odd billion
on various militarized federal police endeavors.

how much of that trillion goes into pocket of Americans workers directly and indirectly working for the military?
iow if it wasn\'t military would be it called a socialist job and education program?

Military spending is arguably necessary but is counter-productive.
Paying people to march around, or to build weapons, does not increase
the general welfare.

Pay doesn\'t make a population better off. Productivity does. A
population can\'t long-term consume more than it can make or steal.

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 15:12:56 -0800 (PST), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

tirsdag den 10. januar 2023 kl. 23.25.24 UTC+1 skrev bitrex:
On 1/10/2023 1:08 PM, John Larkin wrote:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-republicans-vote-bill-abolishing-irs-eliminating-income-tax

I\'ve been wanting this for a long time. The income tax is an expensive
nightmare, a feeding trough for lawyers and accountants and cheating
experts. It drives businesses and jobs offshore.

A sales tax is easy to implement and police. It\'s voluntary too; just
exempt the things necessary to decent family survival. Buy a BMW if
you really want one.

I think sales tax should be visible at purchase time, but it could be
hidden, like VAT.

The \"fair share\" that businesses pay is to move to Ireland or Mexico.

Great! Hopefully the government will have no choice then but to stop
spending 1 trillion a year on the military, and another 100-odd billion
on various militarized federal police endeavors.

how much of that trillion goes into pocket of Americans workers directly and indirectly working for the military?
iow if it wasn\'t military would be it called a socialist job and education program?

Military spending is arguably necessary but is counter-productive.
Paying people to march around, or to build weapons, does not increase
the general welfare.

Pay doesn\'t make a population better off. Productivity does. A
population can\'t long-term consume more than it can make or steal.

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 15:12:56 -0800 (PST), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

tirsdag den 10. januar 2023 kl. 23.25.24 UTC+1 skrev bitrex:
On 1/10/2023 1:08 PM, John Larkin wrote:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-republicans-vote-bill-abolishing-irs-eliminating-income-tax

I\'ve been wanting this for a long time. The income tax is an expensive
nightmare, a feeding trough for lawyers and accountants and cheating
experts. It drives businesses and jobs offshore.

A sales tax is easy to implement and police. It\'s voluntary too; just
exempt the things necessary to decent family survival. Buy a BMW if
you really want one.

I think sales tax should be visible at purchase time, but it could be
hidden, like VAT.

The \"fair share\" that businesses pay is to move to Ireland or Mexico.

Great! Hopefully the government will have no choice then but to stop
spending 1 trillion a year on the military, and another 100-odd billion
on various militarized federal police endeavors.

how much of that trillion goes into pocket of Americans workers directly and indirectly working for the military?
iow if it wasn\'t military would be it called a socialist job and education program?

Military spending is arguably necessary but is counter-productive.
Paying people to march around, or to build weapons, does not increase
the general welfare.

Pay doesn\'t make a population better off. Productivity does. A
population can\'t long-term consume more than it can make or steal.

 

[bitrex]

On 1/10/2023 1:08 PM, John Larkin wrote:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-republicans-vote-bill-abolishing-irs-eliminating-income-tax

I\'ve been wanting this for a long time. The income tax is an expensive
nightmare, a feeding trough for lawyers and accountants and cheating
experts. It drives businesses and jobs offshore.

A sales tax is easy to implement and police. It\'s voluntary too; just
exempt the things necessary to decent family survival. Buy a BMW if
you really want one.

I think sales tax should be visible at purchase time, but it could be
hidden, like VAT.

The \"fair share\" that businesses pay is to move to Ireland or Mexico.

Great! Hopefully the government will have no choice then but to stop
spending 1 trillion a year on the military, and another 100-odd billion
on various militarized federal police endeavors.

Hint: they won\'t. Under Republicans, an army of gunned=up jackbooted
thugs are the only thing worth spending money on.

 

[bitrex]

On 1/10/2023 1:08 PM, John Larkin wrote:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-republicans-vote-bill-abolishing-irs-eliminating-income-tax

I\'ve been wanting this for a long time. The income tax is an expensive
nightmare, a feeding trough for lawyers and accountants and cheating
experts. It drives businesses and jobs offshore.

A sales tax is easy to implement and police. It\'s voluntary too; just
exempt the things necessary to decent family survival. Buy a BMW if
you really want one.

I think sales tax should be visible at purchase time, but it could be
hidden, like VAT.

The \"fair share\" that businesses pay is to move to Ireland or Mexico.

Great! Hopefully the government will have no choice then but to stop
spending 1 trillion a year on the military, and another 100-odd billion
on various militarized federal police endeavors.

Hint: they won\'t. Under Republicans, an army of gunned=up jackbooted
thugs are the only thing worth spending money on.

 

[bitrex]

On 1/10/2023 1:08 PM, John Larkin wrote:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-republicans-vote-bill-abolishing-irs-eliminating-income-tax

I\'ve been wanting this for a long time. The income tax is an expensive
nightmare, a feeding trough for lawyers and accountants and cheating
experts. It drives businesses and jobs offshore.

A sales tax is easy to implement and police. It\'s voluntary too; just
exempt the things necessary to decent family survival. Buy a BMW if
you really want one.

I think sales tax should be visible at purchase time, but it could be
hidden, like VAT.

The \"fair share\" that businesses pay is to move to Ireland or Mexico.

Great! Hopefully the government will have no choice then but to stop
spending 1 trillion a year on the military, and another 100-odd billion
on various militarized federal police endeavors.

Hint: they won\'t. Under Republicans, an army of gunned=up jackbooted
thugs are the only thing worth spending money on.

 

[Ricky]

On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 6:47:12 PM UTC-5, Ralph Mowery wrote:

In article <7u9rrh9ovka4fv1j1...@4ax.com>,
jla...@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com says...

I\'ve been wanting this for a long time. The income tax is an expensive
nightmare, a feeding trough for lawyers and accountants and cheating
experts. It drives businesses and jobs offshore.



If people would look at the total tax and fees they pay to the
governments they would find they are paying over 50 % of their wages.

I bet you don\'t have a source for this statistic, do you?

87.4% of all statistics are made up.

--

Rick C.

++ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
++ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Ricky]

On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 6:47:12 PM UTC-5, Ralph Mowery wrote:

In article <7u9rrh9ovka4fv1j1...@4ax.com>,
jla...@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com says...

I\'ve been wanting this for a long time. The income tax is an expensive
nightmare, a feeding trough for lawyers and accountants and cheating
experts. It drives businesses and jobs offshore.



If people would look at the total tax and fees they pay to the
governments they would find they are paying over 50 % of their wages.

I bet you don\'t have a source for this statistic, do you?

87.4% of all statistics are made up.

--

Rick C.

++ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
++ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Ricky]

On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 6:47:12 PM UTC-5, Ralph Mowery wrote:

In article <7u9rrh9ovka4fv1j1...@4ax.com>,
jla...@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com says...

I\'ve been wanting this for a long time. The income tax is an expensive
nightmare, a feeding trough for lawyers and accountants and cheating
experts. It drives businesses and jobs offshore.



If people would look at the total tax and fees they pay to the
governments they would find they are paying over 50 % of their wages.

I bet you don\'t have a source for this statistic, do you?

87.4% of all statistics are made up.

--

Rick C.

++ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
++ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[bitrex]

On 1/10/2023 3:24 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 1:08:58 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-republicans-vote-bill-abolishing-irs-eliminating-income-tax

I\'ve been wanting this for a long time. The income tax is an expensive
nightmare, a feeding trough for lawyers and accountants and cheating
experts. It drives businesses and jobs offshore.

A sales tax is easy to implement and police. It\'s voluntary too; just
exempt the things necessary to decent family survival. Buy a BMW if
you really want one.

I think sales tax should be visible at purchase time, but it could be
hidden, like VAT.

The \"fair share\" that businesses pay is to move to Ireland or Mexico.

That\'s another \"fact-free\" assertion you must have heard on a radio broadcast. You\'re being conned by uneducated, manipulative idiots who don\'t know what they\'re talking about.

Here\'re some facts and figures. Federal income tax alone has amounted to $289B year to date this fy, which would be Oct-Dec mostly. Sounds like a lot, but it\'s only 10% of what they threw away in Afghanistan. All the reform in the world will not correct for a horrendously mismanaged government. You figure out how to fix that first, otherwise you\'re just asking for more of the same with your wacky tax reform ideas- just more waste under a different system.

https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/government-revenue/

The days of a \"small-government GOP\" are long gone, if they ever really
existed.

The GOP loves to spend money as much as anyone, and they know they need
revenue. this stuff is just performative.

 

[bitrex]

On 1/10/2023 3:24 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 1:08:58 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-republicans-vote-bill-abolishing-irs-eliminating-income-tax

I\'ve been wanting this for a long time. The income tax is an expensive
nightmare, a feeding trough for lawyers and accountants and cheating
experts. It drives businesses and jobs offshore.

A sales tax is easy to implement and police. It\'s voluntary too; just
exempt the things necessary to decent family survival. Buy a BMW if
you really want one.

I think sales tax should be visible at purchase time, but it could be
hidden, like VAT.

The \"fair share\" that businesses pay is to move to Ireland or Mexico.

That\'s another \"fact-free\" assertion you must have heard on a radio broadcast. You\'re being conned by uneducated, manipulative idiots who don\'t know what they\'re talking about.

Here\'re some facts and figures. Federal income tax alone has amounted to $289B year to date this fy, which would be Oct-Dec mostly. Sounds like a lot, but it\'s only 10% of what they threw away in Afghanistan. All the reform in the world will not correct for a horrendously mismanaged government. You figure out how to fix that first, otherwise you\'re just asking for more of the same with your wacky tax reform ideas- just more waste under a different system.

https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/government-revenue/

The days of a \"small-government GOP\" are long gone, if they ever really
existed.

The GOP loves to spend money as much as anyone, and they know they need
revenue. this stuff is just performative.

 

[bitrex]

On 1/10/2023 3:24 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 1:08:58 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-republicans-vote-bill-abolishing-irs-eliminating-income-tax

I\'ve been wanting this for a long time. The income tax is an expensive
nightmare, a feeding trough for lawyers and accountants and cheating
experts. It drives businesses and jobs offshore.

A sales tax is easy to implement and police. It\'s voluntary too; just
exempt the things necessary to decent family survival. Buy a BMW if
you really want one.

I think sales tax should be visible at purchase time, but it could be
hidden, like VAT.

The \"fair share\" that businesses pay is to move to Ireland or Mexico.

That\'s another \"fact-free\" assertion you must have heard on a radio broadcast. You\'re being conned by uneducated, manipulative idiots who don\'t know what they\'re talking about.

Here\'re some facts and figures. Federal income tax alone has amounted to $289B year to date this fy, which would be Oct-Dec mostly. Sounds like a lot, but it\'s only 10% of what they threw away in Afghanistan. All the reform in the world will not correct for a horrendously mismanaged government. You figure out how to fix that first, otherwise you\'re just asking for more of the same with your wacky tax reform ideas- just more waste under a different system.

https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/government-revenue/

The days of a \"small-government GOP\" are long gone, if they ever really
existed.

The GOP loves to spend money as much as anyone, and they know they need
revenue. this stuff is just performative.

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 11:52:24 -0800, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
wrote:

On 1/10/23 10:08 AM, John Larkin wrote:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-republicans-vote-bill-abolishing-irs-eliminating-income-tax

I\'ve been wanting this for a long time. The income tax is an expensive
nightmare, a feeding trough for lawyers and accountants and cheating
experts. It drives businesses and jobs offshore.

A sales tax is easy to implement and police. It\'s voluntary too; just
exempt the things necessary to decent family survival. Buy a BMW if
you really want one.

I think sales tax should be visible at purchase time, but it could be
hidden, like VAT.

The \"fair share\" that businesses pay is to move to Ireland or Mexico.


I am squarely against it. It means double taxation of older people (like
me). They have paid income tax on their income all their lives and now
their savings will be taxed again when they spend it.

So spend less. People in the US spend too much, borrow too much, waste
too much, import too much.

Most everything in the US is taxed multiple times, usually in very
complex ways. A single tax would be refreshing.

A sales tax would have to be adjusted to fine-tune the economy. Tax
basics little or none. Tax yachts and Rolex watches big-time, which is
mostly automatic given a per-cent tax.

And you really think there won\'t be cheaters? This \"solution\" would
foster smuggling, living outside the country, and so on. Big time. Smart
people will buy their new boat in Cabo and not in Florida. And keep it
there. And soon mostly live there. Aside from a massive tax shortfall
that will result in scores of American businesses going out of business
for a sudden lack of revenue.

I doubt the authors of that bill have thoroughly studied such scenarios.
Which will happen, guaranteed.

Unlike some countries, the US is not a prison. Nothing stops people
from going to Cabo and buying houses or boat. People are free to
leave. And many do, partly to escape income taxes. Businesses
certainly do.

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 11:52:24 -0800, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
wrote:

On 1/10/23 10:08 AM, John Larkin wrote:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-republicans-vote-bill-abolishing-irs-eliminating-income-tax

I\'ve been wanting this for a long time. The income tax is an expensive
nightmare, a feeding trough for lawyers and accountants and cheating
experts. It drives businesses and jobs offshore.

A sales tax is easy to implement and police. It\'s voluntary too; just
exempt the things necessary to decent family survival. Buy a BMW if
you really want one.

I think sales tax should be visible at purchase time, but it could be
hidden, like VAT.

The \"fair share\" that businesses pay is to move to Ireland or Mexico.


I am squarely against it. It means double taxation of older people (like
me). They have paid income tax on their income all their lives and now
their savings will be taxed again when they spend it.

So spend less. People in the US spend too much, borrow too much, waste
too much, import too much.

Most everything in the US is taxed multiple times, usually in very
complex ways. A single tax would be refreshing.

A sales tax would have to be adjusted to fine-tune the economy. Tax
basics little or none. Tax yachts and Rolex watches big-time, which is
mostly automatic given a per-cent tax.

And you really think there won\'t be cheaters? This \"solution\" would
foster smuggling, living outside the country, and so on. Big time. Smart
people will buy their new boat in Cabo and not in Florida. And keep it
there. And soon mostly live there. Aside from a massive tax shortfall
that will result in scores of American businesses going out of business
for a sudden lack of revenue.

I doubt the authors of that bill have thoroughly studied such scenarios.
Which will happen, guaranteed.

Unlike some countries, the US is not a prison. Nothing stops people
from going to Cabo and buying houses or boat. People are free to
leave. And many do, partly to escape income taxes. Businesses
certainly do.

 

[bitrex]

On 1/10/2023 2:52 PM, Joerg wrote:

On 1/10/23 10:08 AM, John Larkin wrote:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-republicans-vote-bill-abolishing-irs-eliminating-income-tax

I\'ve been wanting this for a long time. The income tax is an expensive
nightmare, a feeding trough for lawyers and accountants and cheating
experts. It drives businesses and jobs offshore.

A sales tax is easy to implement and police. It\'s voluntary too; just
exempt the things necessary to decent family survival. Buy a BMW if
you really want one.

I think sales tax should be visible at purchase time, but it could be
hidden, like VAT.

The \"fair share\" that businesses pay is to move to Ireland or Mexico.


I am squarely against it. It means double taxation of older people (like
me). They have paid income tax on their income all their lives and now
their savings will be taxed again when they spend it.

And you really think there won\'t be cheaters? This \"solution\" would
foster smuggling, living outside the country, and so on. Big time. Smart
people will buy their new boat in Cabo and not in Florida. And keep it
there. And soon mostly live there. Aside from a massive tax shortfall
that will result in scores of American businesses going out of business
for a sudden lack of revenue.

Oh my Gosh, don\'t tease my little leftist heart like that. Thinking of
Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon, General Dynamics et al
being cut off the government cheese has got me all excited. Aww, then
all the little psychopath arms dealers will have to go get real jobs
doing something useful for society.

I doubt the authors of that bill have thoroughly studied such scenarios.
Which will happen, guaranteed.

More like they didn\'t bother, given that it\'s just a performative act to
rile up the marks. Which is what politics in large part tends to consist
of these days.

 

[bitrex]

On 1/10/2023 2:52 PM, Joerg wrote:

On 1/10/23 10:08 AM, John Larkin wrote:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-republicans-vote-bill-abolishing-irs-eliminating-income-tax

I\'ve been wanting this for a long time. The income tax is an expensive
nightmare, a feeding trough for lawyers and accountants and cheating
experts. It drives businesses and jobs offshore.

A sales tax is easy to implement and police. It\'s voluntary too; just
exempt the things necessary to decent family survival. Buy a BMW if
you really want one.

I think sales tax should be visible at purchase time, but it could be
hidden, like VAT.

The \"fair share\" that businesses pay is to move to Ireland or Mexico.


I am squarely against it. It means double taxation of older people (like
me). They have paid income tax on their income all their lives and now
their savings will be taxed again when they spend it.

And you really think there won\'t be cheaters? This \"solution\" would
foster smuggling, living outside the country, and so on. Big time. Smart
people will buy their new boat in Cabo and not in Florida. And keep it
there. And soon mostly live there. Aside from a massive tax shortfall
that will result in scores of American businesses going out of business
for a sudden lack of revenue.

Oh my Gosh, don\'t tease my little leftist heart like that. Thinking of
Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon, General Dynamics et al
being cut off the government cheese has got me all excited. Aww, then
all the little psychopath arms dealers will have to go get real jobs
doing something useful for society.

I doubt the authors of that bill have thoroughly studied such scenarios.
Which will happen, guaranteed.

More like they didn\'t bother, given that it\'s just a performative act to
rile up the marks. Which is what politics in large part tends to consist
of these days.