NBN verses 4G. Is there a contest?

[Rod Speed]

Trevor Wilson wrote

Rod Speed wrote
Trevor Wilson wrote
Don McKenzie wrote

4G IS HERE: Telstra's 2011 rollout.
February 14, 2011

The nation's largest telco Telstra has revealed plans to upgrade
its Next G mobile network in central business districts around the
nation to the Long-Term Evolution (LTE) standard by the end of
2011, introducing the '4G' or fourth generation marketing term
into the Australian market as it is doing so.
From the Comments:
If you did radio telecommunications engineering, you would realise
that the amount of spectrum available for 4G services would
probably be able to give everyone 100mbit speeds uncongested, even
in high density areas. In fact its even in the 4G standard to use
much more spectrum available (which you can see here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G)
Furthermore, 4G has numerous benefits over 3G (not including being
able to use more spectrum) - It can jump to different spectrum
bands 'instantly', which is what
allows 4G to download so much faster - It has much higher spectral
efficiency (that is, it is able to
deliver much more bits per spectrum, i.e.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectral_efficiency) - It uses
topologies much better then 3G
- It uses leveraging of spectrum to provide much better latency
then 3G (this is already evident by Verizon's deployment, which cut
latency by average in half)
http://delimiter.com.au/2011/02/14/4g-is-here-telstras-2011-rollout/#more-12337

I'll believe when I see it. I live around 20km from the GPO of the largest city in the country. Mobile 'phone
reception is flakey (on all carriers) and I regularly get drop-outs.

Then you need a new handset.

EVERY SINGLE person who visits, has problems with their mobile 'phone reception.

Your problem.

My Nokia rarely has problems in known good areas.

It shouldnt ever.

Wireless internet simply doesn't work where I live.

Dont believe that.

Believe what you want. It's a fact.

Just claiming a fact doesnt make it a fact.

I can't even get decent ADSL2 speeds.

ADSL1 works fine.

Yep.

So you have nothing to whine about.

Internet 'phone systems are a joke.

Then your system is fucked.

So you say.

I know that net phone systems work fine on DSL1.

I suspect I am not alone.

Yes, some others have fucked handsets too.

There is a fibre node, situated a tantalisingly close 50 Metres from my front door. Roll on NBN.

Taint gunna happen. Labor will be long gone before it ever gets to your place.

Betcha who ever follows them keeps the NBN rolling along.

Not a chance. The coalition aint that stupid.

4G will become just as congested as 3G is a very short period.

Nope.

We'll see.

We will indeed.

Wireless is fundamentally limited.

Yes, but thats nothing like your previous lie.

Fibre is not (for all intents).

Pity about the immense cost.

There is a market for wireless internet,

Corse there is.

A big maket. Which is exactly the problem.

Nope. No problem at all.

All those people with their iPads (and clones) will rapdily clog up the wireless system. Just wait and see.

We've already seen that they dont.

just as there is a market for fibre.

How odd that they want to rip out the copper network if there really is.

Actually, ripping out the copper network is a bad idea.

Yep, and the proof that there is fuck all of a market for FTTP.

I'd rather have the redundancy. Mind you: I'd like to see the Optus and Telstra cables ripped out. They're eyesores,
noisy and just dumb.

The NBN is ever worse. Essentially because its additional to both.

I don't need to tell you that for fibre to be congested is very unlikely in the near future.

Specially given that Labor will be long gone before much of it is ever built.

If an when that happens, another fibre just needs to be dropped into the same hole. Wireless is fundamentally
limited. Fibre is not.

Pity about the cost of it.

The cost will fall.

Not to anything that makes any sense at all.

You and I both know it. The Gummint gave us the big number and when the real numbers finally appear, they'll look like
heros for bringing the system in under budget.

Nope, because the voters will pull the plug on Labor at the
next election and the coalition will pull the plug on the NBN.

Labor wont even be able to ram anything thru the parliament that
makes it impossible for the coalition to pull the plug on the NBN.

 

[B J Foster]

On 16/02/2011 1:41 PM, terryc wrote:

B J Foster wrote:

It is also a way to provide broadband to an entire suburb, instantly,
cheaply and without unsightly wires and poles.

and give everyone absolutely crappy service. Wireless is shared badwidth.

Fine, wait 20 years, get crappy guvmint service and pay a large fortune
(through the tax system). Labor idiots.

 

[Rod Speed]

B J Foster wrote

terryc wrote
B J Foster wrote

It is also a way to provide broadband to an entire suburb,
instantly, cheaply and without unsightly wires and poles.

and give everyone absolutely crappy service. Wireless is shared badwidth.

Fine, wait 20 years,

No need to wait anything like that long. Labor wont last anything like that long.

get crappy guvmint service

Virtually everyone will get excellent non govt broadband.

and pay a large fortune (through the tax system).

Another lie. Labor wont last anything like long enough for that.

 

[Rod Speed]

N wrote

Rod Speed wrote
N wrote
Don McKenzie wrote
N wrote
Don McKenzie wrote

4G IS HERE: Telstraâ?Ts 2011 rollout.
February 14, 2011

http://delimiter.com.au/2011/02/14/4g-is-here-telstras-2011-rollout/#more-12337

http://www.vividwireless.com.au/home

If the video at:
http://www.vividwireless.com.au/discover-it-now
is to be believed, it is about 3 times as fast as my 3G USB modem,
but only about half the speed of my slow Optus cable at 19061 kbps.

Vividwireless comes in at around 9000-10000 kbps.
But for the mobile generation, WOW!

Wireless is the fastest growing internet comms method, but it appears to be up against a few technology hurdles.

BTW
Can't wait to test a 4G modem for my "MOBILE" travels.

What would bother me, is the patchy coverage.

You have no idea if that will be the case or not.

I suspect the distance around each repeater is quite short.

You're wrong.

I looked at the coverage maps on the VividWireless web site.

Just because someone claims something doesnt make it gospel, fool.

 

[N]

On 16/02/2011, Rod Speed wrote:

N wrote
Rod Speed wrote
N wrote

What would bother me, is the patchy coverage.

You have no idea if that will be the case or not.

I suspect the distance around each repeater is quite short.

You're wrong.

I looked at the coverage maps on the VividWireless web site.

Just because someone claims something doesnt make it gospel, fool.

Are you saying that the coverage in Perth and Sydney for VividWireless
is complete and perfect?

 

[SG1]

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
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B J Foster wrote
terryc wrote
B J Foster wrote

It is also a way to provide broadband to an entire suburb,
instantly, cheaply and without unsightly wires and poles.

and give everyone absolutely crappy service. Wireless is shared
badwidth.

Fine, wait 20 years,

No need to wait anything like that long. Labor wont last anything like
that long.

get crappy guvmint service

Virtually everyone will get excellent non govt broadband.

and pay a large fortune (through the tax system).

Another lie. Labor wont last anything like long enough for that.


All hail Roddles the prophet. Larger pieces of ice acceptable too.

 

[terryc]

B J Foster wrote:

On 16/02/2011 1:41 PM, terryc wrote:
B J Foster wrote:

It is also a way to provide broadband to an entire suburb, instantly,
cheaply and without unsightly wires and poles.

and give everyone absolutely crappy service. Wireless is shared badwidth.

Fine, wait 20 years, get crappy guvmint service and pay a large fortune
(through the tax system). Labor idiots.

Um, whilst time has apparently changed some laws of physics, it won't
change the fundamental limitations of single frequency wireless networks.

 

[Rod Speed]

N wrote

Rod Speed wrote
N wrote
Rod Speed wrote
N wrote

What would bother me, is the patchy coverage.

You have no idea if that will be the case or not.

I suspect the distance around each repeater is quite short.

You're wrong.

I looked at the coverage maps on the VividWireless web site.

Just because someone claims something doesnt make it gospel, fool.

Are you saying that the coverage in Perth and Sydney for VividWireless is complete and perfect?

Nope.

 

[Rod Speed]

SG1 wrote just the puerile shit thats all it can ever manage.

 

[Rod Speed]

terryc wrote

B J Foster wrote
terryc wrote
B J Foster wrote

It is also a way to provide broadband to an entire suburb,
instantly, cheaply and without unsightly wires and poles.

and give everyone absolutely crappy service. Wireless is shared badwidth.

Fine, wait 20 years, get crappy guvmint service and pay a large fortune (through the tax system). Labor idiots.

Um, whilst time has apparently changed some laws of physics, it won't
change the fundamental limitations of single frequency wireless networks.

Pity 4G aint a single frequency wireless network.

 

[terryc]

Rod Speed wrote:

Um, whilst time has apparently changed some laws of physics, it won't
change the fundamental limitations of single frequency wireless networks.

Pity 4G aint a single frequency wireless network.

Same problem.

 

[SG1]

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N wrote
Rod Speed wrote
N wrote
Rod Speed wrote
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What would bother me, is the patchy coverage.

You have no idea if that will be the case or not.

I suspect the distance around each repeater is quite short.

You're wrong.

I looked at the coverage maps on the VividWireless web site.

Just because someone claims something doesnt make it gospel, fool.

Are you saying that the coverage in Perth and Sydney for VividWireless is
complete and perfect?

Nope.

Well what are you saying then????

 

[Sunny]

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
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**Actually, ripping out the copper network is a bad idea. I'd rather
have the redundancy. Mind you: I'd like to see the Optus and Telstra
cables ripped out. They're eyesores, noisy and just dumb.

Really, the Telstra/Foxtel/Bigpond cable in my street is underground with
the telephone wires,
How can they be "noisy" ?
How are they "Dumb"?
(Even the Optus cable on poles in an adjoining suburb, while can be an
eyesore, how can they be described as;
Noisy ?
Dumb ?
(Considering the fact that the NBN proposes fibre on poles as well.)

 

[Rod Speed]

SG1 wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
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Rod Speed wrote
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Rod Speed wrote
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What would bother me, is the patchy coverage.

You have no idea if that will be the case or not.

I suspect the distance around each repeater is quite short.

You're wrong.

I looked at the coverage maps on the VividWireless web site.

Just because someone claims something doesnt make it gospel, fool.

Are you saying that the coverage in Perth and Sydney for VividWireless is complete and perfect?

Nope.

Well what are you saying then????

Even someone as stupid as you should be able to work that out if someone
was actually stupid enough to lend you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.

 

[Rod Speed]

Sunny wrote

Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote

Actually, ripping out the copper network is a bad idea. I'd rather
have the redundancy. Mind you: I'd like to see the Optus and Telstra cables ripped out. They're eyesores, noisy and
just dumb.

Really, the Telstra/Foxtel/Bigpond cable in my street is underground with the telephone wires,

Thats uncommon with the payTV cables.

How can they be "noisy" ?

The wind blows thru the cables on the power poles, stupid.

How are they "Dumb"?

Those cables on power poles is a very dumb approach.

Corse most of the NBN is on power poles anyway, so that wont change.

(Even the Optus cable on poles in an adjoining suburb, while can be an eyesore, how can they be described as;
Noisy ?

Because of the wind with them, stupid.

Dumb ?

Very dumb having where any fool with a truck can rip them down.

(Considering the fact that the NBN proposes fibre on poles as well.)

Not only proposes, its how its been done already.

Corse that cant happen where there are no power poles.

 

[SG1]

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SG1 wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
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Rod Speed wrote
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What would bother me, is the patchy coverage.

You have no idea if that will be the case or not.

I suspect the distance around each repeater is quite short.

You're wrong.

I looked at the coverage maps on the VividWireless web site.

Just because someone claims something doesnt make it gospel, fool.

Are you saying that the coverage in Perth and Sydney for VividWireless
is complete and perfect?

Nope.

Well what are you saying then????

Even someone as stupid as you should be able to work that out if someone
was actually stupid enough to lend you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.
So you have no idea then?

 

[Rod Speed]

terryc wrote

Rod Speed wrote
terryc wrote

Um, whilst time has apparently changed some laws of physics, it won't change the fundamental limitations of single
frequency wireless networks.

Pity 4G aint a single frequency wireless network.

Same problem.

Mindless pig ignorant drivel.

 

[Rod Speed]

SG1 wrote just the puerile shit thats all it can ever manage.

 

[SG1]

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
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SG1 wrote just the puerile shit thats all it can ever manage.

Mindless pig ignorant drivel from the not so brilliant mind of Roddles. Do
you ever answer a question without resorting to mindless drivel?????

 

[Rod Speed]

SG1 wrote just the puerile shit thats all it can ever manage.