NBN verses 4G. Is there a contest?

[Sunny]

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Sunny wrote
Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
Sunny wrote
Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote

**Actually, ripping out the copper network is a bad idea. I'd rather
have the redundancy. Mind you: I'd like to see the Optus and Telstra
cables ripped out. They're eyesores, noisy and just dumb.

Really, the Telstra/Foxtel/Bigpond cable in my street is underground
with the telephone wires,

How can they be "noisy" ?

At my last address and my present one, the backup power supplies are
noisy (mechanically).

How are they "Dumb"?

They should have been placed underground, EVERYWHERE in Sydney.

(Even the Optus cable on poles in an adjoining suburb, while can be
an eyesore, how can they be described as;
Noisy ?

See above.

Dumb ?

See above.

(Considering the fact that the NBN proposes fibre on poles as well.)

Then that would be dumb too, considering most of Sydney has
underground 'phone lines.

Are you aware that in too many cases the conduit that contains the
phone and internet cable/foxtel is too small to have any thing else
forced through it?

Thats a lie. And they arent 'forced through' either.

Well Roddles, I stood and watched the Foxtel/Bigpond blokes "threading"
the cable from the Telstra pit next door (It had the 4 "taps" for four of
the houses in my street).to my Telstra pit.
It jammed 3/4 of the way to the pit that fed the phone wires into my
house.
They gave up that day and laid the cable from the "Tap pit" across my
front lawn and onto the connection box that fed the internal access cables
through my house.
They returned the next day, and dug s couple of large holes into the
footpath and located where the cable that they had jammed.
They then smashed through the conduit and hooked another cable to the
jammed end and pulled a new cable into my access pit
Repair consisted of placing broken bits of conduit on top of the conduit
holes, sealing with tape and filling the holes back in.

(Comment from one of the workers at the time "Hope we didn't stuff some of
the phone lines")

 

[SG1]

"Sunny" <wombathouse.@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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Large snip

It involves 55 per cent of the 10 million premises to be cabled being
connected above ground, and 45 per cent through underground ducting.

Conroy is not in the least concerned that there will be resistance to this
from homeowners, who already stare at the tangled aerial cable
infrastructure that is the legacy of the Keating government's involvement
in the pay-television rollout war between Telstra and Optus.

In an attempt to comfort those residents in the 5.5 million premises to be
connected by above-ground fibre cables, Conroy said these would be thinner
and strung higher than existing pay-TV power pole cabling.

"Just more than a year ago Finance Minister Lindsay Tanner was
enthusiastically promoting the role mobile services were playing in
driving productivity across the economy.

Holding his mobile phone out to an audience at the National Press Club in
Canberra, he said people would look back in 50 years and "call this period
of human existence the era of the mobile phone".

"The internet and the mobile phone are becoming the same thing," he added.

But the social engineering in Conroy's vision for a brave new world would
encourage a more sedentary population dependent on services supplied
through the umbilical cord of his broadband cable, rather than following
the trend towards mobility of communication services.
The first 3rd of my street is above ground, then they got it right. So will

be interesting to see if they try to swing it from very widely spaced light
poles.
New estate round the corner is all below ground. They appear to have closer
together lights than we do.
As we are near Toowoomba and they are in the area, am I allowed to use my
large step ladder and be a vandal???????

 

[SG1]

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
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SG1 wrote just the puerile shit thats all it can ever manage.
Same as last time, variety please Twiggy.....

 

[Rod Speed]

Sunny wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Sunny wrote
Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
Sunny wrote
Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote

Actually, ripping out the copper network is a bad idea. I'd rather have the redundancy. Mind you: I'd like to see
the Optus and Telstra cables ripped out. They're eyesores, noisy and just dumb.

Really, the Telstra/Foxtel/Bigpond cable in my street is underground with the telephone wires,

How can they be "noisy" ?

At my last address and my present one, the backup power supplies are noisy (mechanically).

How are they "Dumb"?

They should have been placed underground, EVERYWHERE in Sydney.

(Even the Optus cable on poles in an adjoining suburb, while can
be an eyesore, how can they be described as;
Noisy ?

See above.

Dumb ?

See above.

(Considering the fact that the NBN proposes fibre on poles as well.)

Then that would be dumb too, considering most of Sydney has underground 'phone lines.

Are you aware that in too many cases the conduit that contains the
phone and internet cable/foxtel is too small to have any thing else
forced through it?

Thats a lie. And they arent 'forced through' either.

Well Roddles, I stood and watched the Foxtel/Bigpond blokes
"threading" the cable from the Telstra pit next door (It had the 4 "taps" for four of the houses in my street).to my
Telstra pit.
It jammed 3/4 of the way to the pit that fed the phone wires into my house.

Says nothing useful what so ever about how common that is, fuckwit.

They gave up that day and laid the cable from the "Tap pit" across my front lawn and onto the connection box that fed
the internal access cables through my house.

They returned the next day, and dug s couple of large holes into the
footpath and located where the cable that they had jammed.

They then smashed through the conduit and hooked another cable to the jammed end and pulled a new cable into my access
pit
Repair consisted of placing broken bits of conduit on top of the
conduit holes, sealing with tape and filling the holes back in.

Says nothing useful what so ever about how common that is, fuckwit.

(Comment from one of the workers at the time "Hope we didn't stuff some of the phone lines")

Says nothing useful what so ever about how common that is, fuckwit.

 

[Rod Speed]

SG1 wrote just the puerile shit thats all it can ever manage.

 

[Rod Speed]

SG1 wrote:

"Sunny" <wombathouse.@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:tKI7p.10655$MF5.3478@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com...

Large snip

It involves 55 per cent of the 10 million premises to be cabled being
connected above ground, and 45 per cent through underground ducting.

Conroy is not in the least concerned that there will be resistance
to this from homeowners, who already stare at the tangled aerial
cable infrastructure that is the legacy of the Keating government's
involvement in the pay-television rollout war between Telstra and
Optus. In an attempt to comfort those residents in the 5.5 million premises
to be connected by above-ground fibre cables, Conroy said these
would be thinner and strung higher than existing pay-TV power pole
cabling. "Just more than a year ago Finance Minister Lindsay Tanner was
enthusiastically promoting the role mobile services were playing in
driving productivity across the economy.

Holding his mobile phone out to an audience at the National Press
Club in Canberra, he said people would look back in 50 years and
"call this period of human existence the era of the mobile phone".

"The internet and the mobile phone are becoming the same thing," he
added. But the social engineering in Conroy's vision for a brave new world
would encourage a more sedentary population dependent on services
supplied through the umbilical cord of his broadband cable, rather
than following the trend towards mobility of communication services.

The first 3rd of my street is above ground, then they got it right.
So will be interesting to see if they try to swing it from very
widely spaced light poles.
New estate round the corner is all below ground. They appear to have
closer together lights than we do.
As we are near Toowoomba and they are in the area, am I allowed to
use my large step ladder and be a vandal???????

Nope, thats illegal, fuckwit.

 

[Magilla]

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8s9iphFtr5U2@mid.individual.net...

Sunny wrote

They gave up that day and laid the cable from the "Tap pit" across
my front lawn and onto the connection box that fed the internal access
cables through my house.

They returned the next day, and dug s couple of large holes into the
footpath and located where the cable that they had jammed.

They then smashed through the conduit and hooked another cable
to the jammed end and pulled a new cable into my access pit
Repair consisted of placing broken bits of conduit on top of the
conduit holes, sealing with tape and filling the holes back in.

Says nothing useful what so ever about how common that is, fuckwit.

(Comment from one of the workers at the time "Hope we didn't stuff some
of the phone lines")

Says nothing useful what so ever about how common that is, fuckwit.

Blocked & broken lead-in conduit is very common.

--
Magilla

 

[SG1]

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8s9irkFu6aU1@mid.individual.net...

SG1 wrote just the puerile shit thats all it can ever manage.

Twiggy came up with the same lame and overused, well ya can't call it a
retort can you???

 

[Rod Speed]

Magilla wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Sunny wrote

They gave up that day and laid the cable from the "Tap pit" across
my front lawn and onto the connection box that fed the internal
access cables through my house.

They returned the next day, and dug s couple of large holes into the footpath and located where the cable that they
had jammed.

They then smashed through the conduit and hooked another cable
to the jammed end and pulled a new cable into my access pit
Repair consisted of placing broken bits of conduit on top of the
conduit holes, sealing with tape and filling the holes back in.

Says nothing useful what so ever about how common that is, fuckwit.

(Comment from one of the workers at the time "Hope we didn't stuff some of the phone lines")

Says nothing useful what so ever about how common that is, fuckwit.

Blocked & broken lead-in conduit is very common.

But not for the reason he was pig ignorantly lying about that would require
the copper to be permanently ripped out so the NBN is possible.

 

[Rod Speed]

SG1 wrote just the puerile shit thats all it can ever manage.

 

[Magilla]

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8sa9iuFncuU1@mid.individual.net...

Magilla wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Sunny wrote

They gave up that day and laid the cable from the "Tap pit" across
my front lawn and onto the connection box that fed the internal
access cables through my house.

They returned the next day, and dug s couple of large holes into
the footpath and located where the cable that they had jammed.

They then smashed through the conduit and hooked another cable
to the jammed end and pulled a new cable into my access pit
Repair consisted of placing broken bits of conduit on top of the
conduit holes, sealing with tape and filling the holes back in.

Says nothing useful what so ever about how common that is, fuckwit.

(Comment from one of the workers at the time "Hope we didn't
stuff some of the phone lines")

Says nothing useful what so ever about how common that is, fuckwit.

Blocked & broken lead-in conduit is very common.

But not for the reason he was pig ignorantly lying about that would
require
the copper to be permanently ripped out so the NBN is possible.

The plastic pipe used these days for residential
purposes is 20mm diameter ( approx ). Previous
pipes used were even smaller.

The diameter of a FTTH lead-in cable ( more
accurately, the head/plug of the cable ) is about
20mm, I gather.

Not much room there for overbuilding another
network, it seems, unless you dig in more
conduit to every house.

Even the distribution network ( street pit 'n' pipe )
would have to be majorly upgraded to allow
another network to co-exist, IMO, particularly if
there's co-axial cable present as well.

We've seen two styles of rollout so far. One is
a separate network and the other, in a couple
of places, an entire replacement i.e copper to
FTTH.

There's yet to be a network overbuild
attempted....

--
Magilla

 

[Rod Speed]

Magilla wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Magilla wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Sunny wrote

They gave up that day and laid the cable from the "Tap pit" across
my front lawn and onto the connection box that fed the internal
access cables through my house.

They returned the next day, and dug s couple of large holes into
the footpath and located where the cable that they had jammed.

They then smashed through the conduit and hooked another cable
to the jammed end and pulled a new cable into my access pit
Repair consisted of placing broken bits of conduit on top of the
conduit holes, sealing with tape and filling the holes back in.

Says nothing useful what so ever about how common that is, fuckwit.

(Comment from one of the workers at the time "Hope we didn't
stuff some of the phone lines")

Says nothing useful what so ever about how common that is, fuckwit.

Blocked & broken lead-in conduit is very common.

But not for the reason he was pig ignorantly lying about that would
require the copper to be permanently ripped out so the NBN is possible.

The plastic pipe used these days for residential
purposes is 20mm diameter ( approx ). Previous
pipes used were even smaller.

The diameter of a FTTH lead-in cable ( more accurately, the head/plug of the cable ) is about 20mm, I gather.

Dont believe it.

Not much room there for overbuilding another network, it seems, unless you dig in more conduit to every house.

Doesnt have to be done by digging.

Even the distribution network ( street pit 'n' pipe )
would have to be majorly upgraded to allow
another network to co-exist, IMO, particularly if there's co-axial cable present as well.

The ACCC wont allow them to rip out the copper network, you watch.

We've seen two styles of rollout so far. One is a separate network and the other, in a couple of places, an entire
replacement i.e copper to FTTH.

The ACCC wont allow them to rip out the copper network, you watch.

There's yet to be a network overbuild attempted....

Thats a lie, its happened in tasmania.

 

[terryc]

SG1 wrote:

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
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SG1 wrote just the puerile shit thats all it can ever manage.

Twiggy came up with the same lame and overused, well ya can't call it a
retort can you???

Go easy on the twat. you know he cann't program or script and has to
bribe the lid nexct door.

 

[Sunny]

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Says nothing useful what so ever about how common that is, fuckwit.

Do they use a 24 hr clock in the alternate universe where you live Rod ?

 

[Sunny]

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Magilla wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Sunny wrote

They gave up that day and laid the cable from the "Tap pit" across
my front lawn and onto the connection box that fed the internal
access cables through my house.

They returned the next day, and dug s couple of large holes into the
footpath and located where the cable that they had jammed.

They then smashed through the conduit and hooked another cable
to the jammed end and pulled a new cable into my access pit
Repair consisted of placing broken bits of conduit on top of the
conduit holes, sealing with tape and filling the holes back in.

Says nothing useful what so ever about how common that is, fuckwit.

(Comment from one of the workers at the time "Hope we didn't stuff
some of the phone lines")

Says nothing useful what so ever about how common that is, fuckwit.

Blocked & broken lead-in conduit is very common.

But not for the reason he was pig ignorantly lying about that would
require
the copper to be permanently ripped out so the NBN is possible.

I have never said anything about requiring copper to be ripped out.
Probably was Petzl ?

 

[Magilla]

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8sasrnFo5tU1@mid.individual.net...

Magilla wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Magilla wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Sunny wrote

They gave up that day and laid the cable from the "Tap pit" across
my front lawn and onto the connection box that fed the internal
access cables through my house.

They returned the next day, and dug s couple of large holes into
the footpath and located where the cable that they had jammed.

They then smashed through the conduit and hooked another cable
to the jammed end and pulled a new cable into my access pit
Repair consisted of placing broken bits of conduit on top of the
conduit holes, sealing with tape and filling the holes back in.

Says nothing useful what so ever about how common that is, fuckwit.

(Comment from one of the workers at the time "Hope we didn't
stuff some of the phone lines")

Says nothing useful what so ever about how common that is, fuckwit.

Blocked & broken lead-in conduit is very common.

But not for the reason he was pig ignorantly lying about that would
require the copper to be permanently ripped out so the NBN is
possible.

The plastic pipe used these days for residential
purposes is 20mm diameter ( approx ). Previous
pipes used were even smaller.

The diameter of a FTTH lead-in cable ( more
accurately, the head/plug of the cable ) is about
20mm, I gather.

Dont believe it.

Hard to believe, I know.
http://www.telstra.com.au/smartcommunity/assets/leadintrenching_0609.pdf
The last page has a conduit capacity guide. You
can only have a FTTH cable in a 20mm (P20) pipe.

Not much room there for overbuilding another
network, it seems, unless you dig in more conduit
to every house.

Doesnt have to be done by digging.

Aerial? Wouldn't be acceptable in a lot of places,
particularly with everything else located
underground.

Even the distribution network ( street pit 'n' pipe )
would have to be majorly upgraded to allow
another network to co-exist, IMO, particularly if
there's co-axial cable present as well.

The ACCC wont allow them to rip out the copper network, you watch.

I'm just wondering how it's going to be done.
With an underground shared system you could
possibly drag out the copper lead-in cable and
haul the FTTH cable in when that was required,
perhaps. And then haul that out when the next
tennant wanted to be on the copper network.

We've seen two styles of rollout so far. One is
a separate network and the other, in a couple
of places, an entire replacement i.e copper to
FTTH.

The ACCC wont allow them to rip out the copper network, you watch.

It's happening right now in a few places.

There's yet to be a network overbuild attempted....

Thats a lie, its happened in tasmania.

Not using existing Telstra pit and pipe, though.


--
Magilla

 

[Rod Speed]

terryc wrote just the puerile shit thats all it can ever manage.

 

[Rod Speed]

Sunny wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

Says nothing useful what so ever about how common that is, fuckwit.

Do they use a 24 hr clock in the alternate universe where you live Rod ?

I do personally use one myself.

And its the same universe you 'live' in, unfortunately.

 

[SG1]

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Sunny wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

Says nothing useful what so ever about how common that is, fuckwit.

Do they use a 24 hr clock in the alternate universe where you live Rod ?

I do personally use one myself.

And its the same universe you 'live' in, unfortunately.

Sure is unfortunate for Sunny.

 

[Rod Speed]

Sunny wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Magilla wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Sunny wrote

They gave up that day and laid the cable from the "Tap pit" across
my front lawn and onto the connection box that fed the internal
access cables through my house.

They returned the next day, and dug s couple of large holes into
the footpath and located where the cable that they had jammed.

They then smashed through the conduit and hooked another cable
to the jammed end and pulled a new cable into my access pit
Repair consisted of placing broken bits of conduit on top of the
conduit holes, sealing with tape and filling the holes back in.

Says nothing useful what so ever about how common that is, fuckwit.

(Comment from one of the workers at the time "Hope we didn't stuff
some of the phone lines")

Says nothing useful what so ever about how common that is, fuckwit.

Blocked & broken lead-in conduit is very common.

But not for the reason he was pig ignorantly lying about that would
require the copper to be permanently ripped out so the NBN is possible.

I have never said anything about requiring copper to be ripped out.

Everyone can see for themselves that you are lying, again.

Probably was Petzl ?

Lie again.