Name this knob

[Gareth Magennis]

"Fox's Mercantile" wrote in message
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On 3/4/18 5:32 PM, Gareth Magennis wrote:

"Fox's Mercantile" wrote in message
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On 3/4/18 4:16 PM, Gareth Magennis wrote:
Is it not now considered that time is no longer arbitrary?
i.e. Atomic clocks base a second around the determinable
decay of some kind of (cesium) radioactive particle?

It's still an arbitrary measurement.
Just now, it is one they can assign it's arbitrary value more
accurately and consistently.



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So are you saying it is a variable?


Either it is, or it isn't.

I didn't say it was variable.
I said it's arbitrary, and the arbitrarily assigned value is more
precises and repeatable now.



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I don't need to argue semantics with you.

 

[Fox's Mercantile]

On 3/4/18 6:26 PM, Gareth Magennis wrote:

I don't need to argue semantics with you.

Correct, because arbitrary and variable have two very different
meanings.

Arbitrary, Based on random choice or personal whim, rather than
any reason or system.

All units are inherently arbitrary.
The variable nature of them is only in the matter with which
they have been redefined for greater accuracy and repeatably.

It's not like a meter has suddenly changed from 39.370079" to
40". Or has varied from 30" to 40" over the years.




--
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com

 

[Gareth Magennis]

"Fox's Mercantile" wrote in message
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On 3/4/18 6:26 PM, Gareth Magennis wrote:

I don't need to argue semantics with you.

Correct, because arbitrary and variable have two very different
meanings.

Arbitrary, Based on random choice or personal whim, rather than
any reason or system.

All units are inherently arbitrary.
The variable nature of them is only in the matter with which
they have been redefined for greater accuracy and repeatably.

It's not like a meter has suddenly changed from 39.370079" to
40". Or has varied from 30" to 40" over the years.


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I'm not interested.


Bye.


--
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com

 

[Phil Allison]

Fox's Mercantile wrote:
___________________________

All units are inherently arbitrary.
The variable nature of them is only in the matter with which
they have been redefined for greater accuracy and repeatably.

It's not like a meter has suddenly changed from 39.370079" to
40". Or has varied from 30" to 40" over the years.

** Long time ago, it was decided to *define* the inch in tern of the cm.

1 inch = 2.54cm *exactly*.

so 1 foot = 30.48cm *exactly".

but 1 litre = 61 cu. inches is approximate, cos it goes the other way.




...... Phil

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 22:16:04 -0000, "Gareth Magennis"
<soundserviceleeds@outlook.com> wrote:

OK, I'm no Physisyst, though I quite liked Physics at school and was
reasonably good at it.

Methinks you mean Fizix.

Is it not now considered that time is no longer arbitrary?
i.e. Atomic clocks base a second around the determinable decay of some kind
of (cesium) radioactive particle?
This is not a variable under normal earth conditions.

Nope. Those are "natural units" or units based on the properties of
things found in nature and are therefore not arbitrary. They are used
mostly in Fizix and by quantum mechanics:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_units>

The remaining units are arbitrary and based on some base unit that is
usually measurable, until the search for finer resolution brings the
standard bearers into the quagmire of quantum fizix, where their
standards run into problems with Heisenberg's uncertainty principle:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heisenberg%27s_uncertainty_principle>
where one can only measure what one cannot find, and the observer
effect:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_effect_(physics)>
where things move away if you try to measure them. As you might
suspect, measurement standards based on sub-atomic particles, is a
really bad idea.

Such difficulties have not stopped people from inventing their own
units of measures, usually for some devious purpose:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unusual_units_of_measurement>
Unfortunately, it doesn't list the unit of measure that I invented and
probably should copyright. Helen of Troy allegedly launched 1000
ships and was known to be the ultimate feminine beauty of her day.
Therefore, I defined the measure of contemporary feminine beauty as
the milliHelen, which would launch one ship. Of course, negative
milliHelens are the measure of feminine ugliness capable of sinking
one ship. So far, the beauty, fashion and entertainment industries
have not expressed any interest in adopting my measurement system.

Another useful unit of measure that I invented is the Subaru Day(tm).
The digital clock in my 2001 Subaru Forester runs about 10 seconds
slow every day, making the length of the average day equal to 24 hrs,
0 mins, and 10 seconds. Rather than repair and calibrate my clock, I
have invented a new unit of measure, which defines the length of my
day to be 10 seconds longer than the traditional 24 hr day. In
keeping with astronomical traditions, the Subaru Day will be
synchronized with the solar day several times per year, usually on the
day I do an oil and filter change.

I hope this helps...

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

[Fox's Mercantile]

On 3/4/18 7:06 PM, Gareth Magennis wrote:

I'm not interested.


Bye.

Of course not. The willfully ignorant never are.

--
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 10:29:16 -0800 (PST), "pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>
wrote:

Those who do not remember the paste are condemned to repeat it.
-George Santayana

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

Psssst. I think you mean "past".

I don't like that expression. When I contrive something new, the
first thing I do is research its past history and repeat all the old
experiments. That's to be sure that they were done properly and that
someone didn't just make a mistake in reporting a failure. I then
proceed to invent my own mistakes, repeating them as needed, until I
hopefully reach a satisfactory result. It's called perseverance where
the acceptance of past failures is counter productive. A good example
is the repetition of the Michelson-Morley experiment:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelson%E2%80%93Morley_experiment>
where a substantial number of experimenters continue to improve the
measurement precision in the hope of demonstrating that the speed of
light just might be even slightly affected by the earth's motion.

Premature Judgement:
<http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/Premature-Judgement.txt>

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 22:16:04 -0000, "Gareth Magennis"
<soundserviceleeds@outlook.com> wrote:

However, it's still just an arbitrary measurement. It was based on
a fraction of the earth's diameter. And derived from a small arc of
said diameter. Coincidentally it just happened to end up being close
to the same length of the English yard.

Frequency is another arbitrary system. It is based on the rotation
of the earth divided by 86,400 for seconds. Or 24 for hours, which
had already been standardized during the Roman Empire.

The primary advantage of the Metric system is all the units are
related to one another and divisible by ten. Length, volume, weight
etc.. Unlike the relationship between inches, ounces (liquid) and
ounces (weight) that all have different divisors. Inch, feet, yards,
miles etc..

None of this bullshit will do any good in nature. I am in the middle of
the woods and dont have any tools. I want to measure the distance
between two huge bolders. All I have to do is take off my shoes, begin
by the first bolder and put one foot in front of my other foot until I
get to the second bolder. After 32 foot steps, I arrive at bolder #2. I
now know that the distance between those bolders is 32 FEET.
How much more natural is that? The human body has a built in measuring
device. You dont need no goddamn slide rules and computers to determine
the earth's rotation or any of that nonsense. Just use the FEET that you
got when you were born.

And never forget, the height of the horse that took you out into those
woods is 15 hands tall. Measure from the ground, to the top of his
withers, stacking you hands one on top of the other. You're horse is 15
hands tall. (The withers is the base of the neck where the mane ends, if
you did not know that).

Even today, people measure their horses with hands. Using a tape measure
is horse owner correct, and make you look like a fool. Real cowboys and
cowgirls use HANDS.

However, if you want to cheat, and measure 60 inches with your tape
measure, you have a 15 hand horse. (5 foot tall). One hand is considered
to be 4 inches.

By the way, if your horse is only 10 hands tall, you better not be over
10 years old, because you are too heavy for that Shetland Pony.

 

[Fox's Mercantile]

On 3/4/18 9:38 PM, oldschool@tubes.com wrote:
> [ usual stupidity deleted ]

It's unfortunate you live under a rock, and you're
too stupid to use tools.




--
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com

 

On Monday, 5 March 2018 03:41:43 UTC, olds...@tubes.com wrote:

None of this bullshit will do any good in nature. I am in the middle of
the woods and dont have any tools. I want to measure the distance
between two huge bolders. All I have to do is take off my shoes, begin
by the first bolder and put one foot in front of my other foot until I
get to the second bolder. After 32 foot steps, I arrive at bolder #2. I
now know that the distance between those bolders is 32 FEET.
How much more natural is that? The human body has a built in measuring
device. You dont need no goddamn slide rules and computers to determine
the earth's rotation or any of that nonsense. Just use the FEET that you
got when you were born.

However, if you want to cheat, and measure 60 inches with your tape
measure, you have a 15 hand horse. (5 foot tall). One hand is considered
to be 4 inches.

If I want to measure walkable distances without tools, which occasionally happens, I use yards or metres. Human feet are seldom a foot long.

Don't think I ever met a grown person with 4" hands.


NT

 

[Chuck]

On Sun, 04 Mar 2018 04:32:36 -0600, oldschool@tubes.com wrote:

On Sat, 03 Mar 2018 13:32:56 -0600, Chuck <ch@dejanews.net> wrote:

May God damn those who use Metrics.

God Bless America.

Thank God I'm a country boy!!!

I hope this is satirical.

---

"Okie From Muskogee" (Anti-metric edition)

We don't smoke marijuana in Muskogee;
We don't take no trips on LSD
We don't burn no draft cards down on Main Street;
We like livin' right, and bein' free.

I'm proud to be an Okie from Muskogee,
A place where even squares can have a ball
We still wave Old Glory down at the courthouse,
And white lightnin's still the biggest thrill of all

We don't make a party out of lovin';
We like holdin' hands and pitchin' woo;
We don't let our hair grow long and shaggy,
Like the hippies out in San Francisco do.

And I'm proud to be an Okie from Muskogee,
A place where even squares can have a ball.
We still wave Old Glory down at the courthouse,
And white lightnin's still the biggest thrill of all.

Leather boots are still in style for manly footwear;
Beads and Roman sandals won't be seen.
Football's still the roughest thing on campus,
And the kids here still respect the college dean.

******
We dont use no commie metrics in Muskogee,
Our tape measures only read inches and feet.
Our prom queen is a perfect 38-24-36 inches,
We still spin 45rpm records to feel the beat.
*******

We still wave Old Glory down at the courthouse,
In Muskogee, Oklahoma, USA.

It is interesting that you mentioned "Okie From Muskogee".
I have been stuck in this backward state for 29 years because my
former wife took a job here. Now I'm divorced and moving back north
in 3 weeks. The state should have a new motto such as " land of" 4
day school weeks or pederast bible thumper politicians or deep well
injection induced earthquakes. It will be nice living in a state that
has the best health care and is no. 1 in quality of life. By the
way, Merle was hip and wrote this song as satire. You might want to
check out Merle's favorite singer Iris DeMent if you still don't get
it.

---
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https://www.avast.com/antivirus

 

[Ralph Phillips]

On 3/4/2018 4:32 AM, oldschool@tubes.com wrote:

We still wave Old Glory down at the courthouse,
In Muskogee, Oklahoma, USA.

I spend a month there one afternoon back in the 70's.

RwP

 

On Sun, 04 Mar 2018 12:39:04 -0600, Chuck <ch@dejanews.net> wrote:

way, Merle was hip and wrote this song as satire. You might want to
check out Merle's favorite singer Iris DeMent if you still don't get
it.

Obviously it was a satire. Merle is cool. I like his music.
Some people are just too goddamn serious.... and take everything
literally. Bible thumpers are wayyyyy too serious.....
The south seems like it's full of them types of people.

 

On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 01:06:24 -0000, "Gareth Magennis"
<soundserviceleeds@outlook.com> wrote:

I'm not interested.


Bye.

You stand no place of winning with the asshole you were replying to. I
killfiled that Fox Killer long ago. People as hateful as him should not
be allowed online, or in public. But some people were just born to be
assholes I guess.

 

[Fox's Mercantile]

On 3/5/18 1:43 PM, oldschool@tubes.com wrote:

On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 01:06:24 -0000, "Gareth Magennis"
soundserviceleeds@outlook.com> wrote:

I'm not interested.


Bye.

You stand no place of winning with the asshole you were replying to. I
killfiled that Fox Killer long ago. People as hateful as him should not
be allowed online, or in public. But some people were just born to be
assholes I guess.

And some people are just too stupid to walk and breath at the same time.

To have someone like you call me an asshole is a badge of honor I wear
with pride.

--
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 03/05/2018 03:51 AM, tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, 5 March 2018 03:41:43 UTC, olds...@tubes.com wrote:

None of this bullshit will do any good in nature. I am in the middle of
the woods and dont have any tools. I want to measure the distance
between two huge bolders. All I have to do is take off my shoes, begin
by the first bolder and put one foot in front of my other foot until I
get to the second bolder. After 32 foot steps, I arrive at bolder #2. I
now know that the distance between those bolders is 32 FEET.
How much more natural is that? The human body has a built in measuring
device. You dont need no goddamn slide rules and computers to determine
the earth's rotation or any of that nonsense. Just use the FEET that you
got when you were born.

However, if you want to cheat, and measure 60 inches with your tape
measure, you have a 15 hand horse. (5 foot tall). One hand is considered
to be 4 inches.

If I want to measure walkable distances without tools, which occasionally happens, I use yards or metres. Human feet are seldom a foot long.

Don't think I ever met a grown person with 4" hands.

The 'hand' is the width of the palm, not the finger span.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net

 

[Gareth Magennis]

"Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message
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On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 22:16:04 -0000, "Gareth Magennis"
<soundserviceleeds@outlook.com> wrote:

OK, I'm no Physisyst, though I quite liked Physics at school and was
reasonably good at it.

Methinks you mean Fizix.

Is it not now considered that time is no longer arbitrary?
i.e. Atomic clocks base a second around the determinable decay of some kind
of (cesium) radioactive particle?
This is not a variable under normal earth conditions.

Nope. Those are "natural units" or units based on the properties of
things found in nature and are therefore not arbitrary. They are used
mostly in Fizix and by quantum mechanics:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_units>

The remaining units are arbitrary and based on some base unit that is
usually measurable, until the search for finer resolution brings the
standard bearers into the quagmire of quantum fizix, where their
standards run into problems with Heisenberg's uncertainty principle:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heisenberg%27s_uncertainty_principle>
where one can only measure what one cannot find, and the observer
effect:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_effect_(physics)>
where things move away if you try to measure them. As you might
suspect, measurement standards based on sub-atomic particles, is a
really bad idea.

Such difficulties have not stopped people from inventing their own
units of measures, usually for some devious purpose:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unusual_units_of_measurement>
Unfortunately, it doesn't list the unit of measure that I invented and
probably should copyright. Helen of Troy allegedly launched 1000
ships and was known to be the ultimate feminine beauty of her day.
Therefore, I defined the measure of contemporary feminine beauty as
the milliHelen, which would launch one ship. Of course, negative
milliHelens are the measure of feminine ugliness capable of sinking
one ship. So far, the beauty, fashion and entertainment industries
have not expressed any interest in adopting my measurement system.

Another useful unit of measure that I invented is the Subaru Day(tm).
The digital clock in my 2001 Subaru Forester runs about 10 seconds
slow every day, making the length of the average day equal to 24 hrs,
0 mins, and 10 seconds. Rather than repair and calibrate my clock, I
have invented a new unit of measure, which defines the length of my
day to be 10 seconds longer than the traditional 24 hr day. In
keeping with astronomical traditions, the Subaru Day will be
synchronized with the solar day several times per year, usually on the
day I do an oil and filter change.

I hope this helps...




*******************************************


Oh dear, hope this helps.




"Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message
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On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 03:28:27 -0700 (PDT), jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:

"How am I doing? Your turn. "

I know you are a Jew, but you are a USian Jew.

I was born in Germany. Parents are Polish. Ancestors are mostly
Russian. I came to the USA when I was about 5 years old.

>That means that you got all the arrogance we got plus about 14 % more.

Just because we run everything, manage everything, own everything, and
control everything, doesn't mean we have to arrogant about it. Being
arrogant in public is a quick ticket to an immediate downfall,
something Jews are well aware of. We may be the smartest, best, most
powerful, and most knowledgeable, but it would stupid to mention it in
public. It tends to attract attention, something we really don't need
or want.

 

[Ron D.]

This degenerated, but I do like the ability to estimate with body parts. 300 mm does nothing for me mentally. 30.0 cm does a better job.

The TS/OP can 3D print a part. Also look for ones that have already been done.

....
Good thing there was no problem with changing from " cps, kcps & Mcps "
to " Hz, kHz and MHz ".

Or was there .....

There was, sort of, I had a valve car Blaupunkt radio whose dial was graduated in increasing wavelength (Not frequency). That's the a RPN (reverse Polish Notation) radio vs an Algebraic radio that everyone uses.

 

On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 17:14:28 -0500, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

If I want to measure walkable distances without tools, which occasionally happens,
I use yards or metres. Human feet are seldom a foot long.

I always wondered who's feet they used to develop the original foot (as
in 12"). Human feet vary greatly in size. Of course children have
shorter feet and women usually do also. Adult males usually
have feet as close to 12" as possible.
In my case, I wear a size 11 shoe. My feet measure 10 5/8" from heel to
tip of longest toe. To measure something with my feet, I'm best off
doing it with my shoes on. They are very close to 12" on the outside. Of
course that too depends on the type of shoe or boot. My big old heavy
winter boots are over 13", but well insulated.

I met a guy once who needs size 15 shoes. Them are some big honking
feet!!! He had to go to a special store to buy shoes.

Don't think I ever met a grown person with 4" hands.

The 'hand' is the width of the palm, not the finger span.

That's Correct.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

BTW
In metric, my size 11 shoes would be 27.94cm (28cm). That seems totally
awkward.....

But then there are men who prefer to measure their male organ in metric,
because the number is larger, they seem to think it makes them sound
more masculine. So the average 6" penis is now a 15.24cm penis...
I'm sorry to say, but it's the same damn size, and it wont impress the
women any more !!!

 

[Fox's Mercantile]

On 3/5/18 11:42 PM, Ron D. wrote:

There was, sort of, I had a valve car Blaupunkt radio
whose dial was graduated in increasing wavelength (Not
frequency). That's the a RPN (reverse Polish Notation)
radio vs an Algebraic radio that everyone uses.

I have an American made AA5 in the shop that is also
graduated in wavelength rather than frequency.

But my personal favorite is one with 1500 on the left and
550 on the right.



--
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com