Name this knob

[Gareth Magennis]

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Lemme see:

The Metric system was "invented" in 1670, in France. This was well before
Communism, at that point "Protestantism" was a dirty word in many sectors.

The US auto industry has largely adopted the Metric system so as to compete
world-wide, and to standardize parts.

Pretty much anyone with even half-a-brain that has done much of anything
with tools over the last 40 years will be fluent in both currencies. Some
years ago, I was working as a machinist making parts for GE for their
engines. About half the shop used metric tools (shaft diameters, fasteners)
and half the shop was using SAE standards (flange widths and thicknesses,
fastener spacing). See, we were selling parts to European and Japanese GE
license holders, as well as sub-assembly consolidators.

........

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA



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I seem to regularly come across nuts that fit on a metric bolt, that don't
fit any metric socket well.
An imperial one from my Halfords socket set fits perfectly.

Work that one out.



Gareth.

 

[Ralph Mowery]

In article <cvmdnd6DiNlhMgfHnZ2dnUU7-dXNnZ2d@giganews.com>,
jdangus@att.net says...

But since you want to rant about the Metric system.

Wine by the liter is more and it's neater,
It's here and simply that's all there is to it.

But measure in Metric in lieu of obstetric
is absurd and I simply won't do it.

I can't use meters when comparing peters,
In fact I'm a bit of a runt there.

I'm shorter, but just by a cunt hair.

Old school needs to get with the modern times.

On Oct. 1,1976 the liquor industry officially went metric. As a result,
all whisky, vodka and other distilled spirits sold in the United States
may now be legally offered in metric-sized bottles.

Instead of the confusing array of 38 different sizes and shapes now
sold, liquor will be bottled in six standard sizes. For example, a fifth
which is 25.6 fluid ounces, will he replaced by a slightly smaller 750
milliliter bottle, equivalent to 25.4 ounces. The old quart, or 32-ounce
bottle, wit he marketed as a liter holding 33.8 fluid ounces.


Many of the so called US cars are not made in the US where lots of
Toyotas and maybe Hondas are.

 

[Fox's Mercantile]

On 3/3/18 1:32 PM, Chuck wrote:

On Sat, 03 Mar 2018 01:47:30 -0600, oldschool@tubes.com wrote:

Thank God I'm a country boy!!!

I hope this is satirical.

Unfortunately it was not.
It was posted in all seriousness, because he truly believes it.



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[Fox's Mercantile]

On 3/3/18 7:04 PM, ~misfit~ wrote:
> Oh and 'this knob' is calledoldschool@tubes.com.

I thought the phrase was "Bell end."


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[Tom Del Rosso]

Ralph Phillips wrote:

On 3/3/2018 9:43 AM, M Philbrook wrote:
In article <cvmdnd6DiNlhMgfHnZ2dnUU7-dXNnZ2d@giganews.com>,
jdangus@att.net says...


I'm shorter, but just by a cunt hair.

I think a "Cunt hair" is a universal metric, one that most of us
understand..


But was it a blonde, brunette, or red cunt hair?

"As long as collars and cuffs match."
-James Bond in Diamonds are Forever

 

On Sat, 03 Mar 2018 13:32:56 -0600, Chuck <ch@dejanews.net> wrote:

May God damn those who use Metrics.

God Bless America.

Thank God I'm a country boy!!!

I hope this is satirical.

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"Okie From Muskogee" (Anti-metric edition)

We don't smoke marijuana in Muskogee;
We don't take no trips on LSD
We don't burn no draft cards down on Main Street;
We like livin' right, and bein' free.

I'm proud to be an Okie from Muskogee,
A place where even squares can have a ball
We still wave Old Glory down at the courthouse,
And white lightnin's still the biggest thrill of all

We don't make a party out of lovin';
We like holdin' hands and pitchin' woo;
We don't let our hair grow long and shaggy,
Like the hippies out in San Francisco do.

And I'm proud to be an Okie from Muskogee,
A place where even squares can have a ball.
We still wave Old Glory down at the courthouse,
And white lightnin's still the biggest thrill of all.

Leather boots are still in style for manly footwear;
Beads and Roman sandals won't be seen.
Football's still the roughest thing on campus,
And the kids here still respect the college dean.

******
We dont use no commie metrics in Muskogee,
Our tape measures only read inches and feet.
Our prom queen is a perfect 38-24-36 inches,
We still spin 45rpm records to feel the beat.
*******

We still wave Old Glory down at the courthouse,
In Muskogee, Oklahoma, USA.

 

[Fox's Mercantile]

On 3/4/18 7:12 AM, Fox's Mercantile wrote:

Don't attribute words to Merle,
He was enough of an asshole without your help.

Kinky knew this. We all knew this.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n__tAHR5ErM>


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[Fox's Mercantile]

On 3/4/18 4:32 AM, oldschool@tubes.com wrote:

We dont use no commie metrics in Muskogee,
Our tape measures only read inches and feet.
Our prom queen is a perfect 38-24-36 inches,
We still spin 45rpm records to feel the beat.

Don't attribute words to Merle,
He was enough of an asshole without your help.


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[pfjw@aol.com]

Oh, I dunno - anyone smitten with a system based on the width of the (Roman) emperor's thumb some several thousand years ago deserves pity.

All and at the same time, the last time I saw Merle in concert (as an opener for Leo Kottke of all things!) he was a tired old man with neither vinegar nor piss remaining, and not much of his voice. It was a small room, and entirely unamplified.

So, think on it! This AMERICAN is advocating:
Arabic numerals.
Roman letters.
An emperor's thumb.

Not very bright.

Those who do not remember the paste are condemned to repeat it.
-George Santayana

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

 

[Fox's Mercantile]

On 3/4/18 12:29 PM, pfjw@aol.com wrote:

Oh, I dunno - anyone smitten with a system based on the width
of the (Roman) emperor's thumb some several thousand years ago
deserves pity.

Until they make an ass of themselves over it.

All and at the same time, the last time I saw Merle in concert
(as an opener for Leo Kottke of all things!) he was a tired old
man with neither vinegar nor piss remaining, and not much of his
voice. It was a small room, and entirely unamplified.

Merle has been the embodiment of the mentality that voted for
Trump. Typically, the ability to be outraged and threatened by any
change.

So, think on it! This AMERICAN is advocating:
Arabic numerals.
Roman letters.
An emperor's thumb.

Not very bright.

Dumber than a box of rocks.

All measurements are arbitrary.
They were and are all born out a requirement of repeat-ability.
To prove that, I built a set of cabinets using just a stick that I
put pencil marks on. "This part has to be this wide/long etc."



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[Terry Schwartz]

Those who do not remember the paste are condemned to repeat it.
-George Santayana

I remember the paste. The dumbest kids in class used to eat it.

 

On Sunday, 4 March 2018 18:29:23 UTC, pf...@aol.com wrote:

Oh, I dunno - anyone smitten with a system based on the width of the (Roman) emperor's thumb some several thousand years ago deserves pity.

All and at the same time, the last time I saw Merle in concert (as an opener for Leo Kottke of all things!) he was a tired old man with neither vinegar nor piss remaining, and not much of his voice. It was a small room, and entirely unamplified.

So, think on it! This AMERICAN is advocating:
Arabic numerals.
Roman letters.
An emperor's thumb.

Not very bright.

Those who do not remember the paste are condemned to repeat it.
-George Santayana

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

Measurement units are all arbitrary. One upside of imperial is the units are divisible by several whole numbers, making mental mathematics easier some of the time. To call them 'not very bright' is just not very bright.

The modern world contains no end of both unit systems in use, thus the sensible practical person familiarises themselves with both systems. (Which explains why our UK schools only teach one system.)


NT

 

[Gareth Magennis]

"Fox's Mercantile" wrote in message
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On 3/4/18 12:29 PM, pfjw@aol.com wrote:

Oh, I dunno - anyone smitten with a system based on the width
of the (Roman) emperor's thumb some several thousand years ago
deserves pity.

Until they make an ass of themselves over it.

All and at the same time, the last time I saw Merle in concert
(as an opener for Leo Kottke of all things!) he was a tired old
man with neither vinegar nor piss remaining, and not much of his
voice. It was a small room, and entirely unamplified.

Merle has been the embodiment of the mentality that voted for
Trump. Typically, the ability to be outraged and threatened by any
change.

So, think on it! This AMERICAN is advocating:
Arabic numerals.
Roman letters.
An emperor's thumb.

Not very bright.

Dumber than a box of rocks.

All measurements are arbitrary.
They were and are all born out a requirement of repeat-ability.
To prove that, I built a set of cabinets using just a stick that I
put pencil marks on. "This part has to be this wide/long etc."




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Just from memory, I can't be arsed to Google it right now,

isn't there some piece of metal held in a vault somewhere (possibly France)
that is defined to be the accepted length of a metre?



Pierre.

 

[Fox's Mercantile]

On 3/4/18 2:31 PM, Gareth Magennis wrote:

Just from memory, I can't be arsed to Google it right now,

isn't there some piece of metal held in a vault somewhere (possibly
France) that is defined to be the accepted length of a metre?

That would be the Bureau international des poids et mesures.

The original international prototype of the metre is still kept at
the BIPM under the conditions specified in 1889.

The BIPM is also the keeper of the international prototype of the
kilogram.

The BIPM is situated in the Parc de Saint-Cloud, at Sèvres, in the
suburbs south-west of Paris.

Postal address: Pavillon de Breteuil, F-92312 Sèvres Cedex
Street address: 12bis Grande Rue, F-92310 Sèvres

However, it's still just an arbitrary measurement. It was based on
a fraction of the earth's diameter. And derived from a small arc of
said diameter. Coincidentally it just happened to end up being close
to the same length of the English yard.

Frequency is another arbitrary system. It is based on the rotation
of the earth divided by 86,400 for seconds. Or 24 for hours, which
had already been standardized during the Roman Empire.

The primary advantage of the Metric system is all the units are
related to one another and divisible by ten. Length, volume, weight
etc.. Unlike the relationship between inches, ounces (liquid) and
ounces (weight) that all have different divisors. Inch, feet, yards,
miles etc..





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[Gareth Magennis]

"Fox's Mercantile" wrote in message
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On 3/4/18 2:31 PM, Gareth Magennis wrote:

Just from memory, I can't be arsed to Google it right now,

isn't there some piece of metal held in a vault somewhere (possibly
France) that is defined to be the accepted length of a metre?

That would be the Bureau international des poids et mesures.

The original international prototype of the metre is still kept at
the BIPM under the conditions specified in 1889.

The BIPM is also the keeper of the international prototype of the
kilogram.

The BIPM is situated in the Parc de Saint-Cloud, at Sèvres, in the
suburbs south-west of Paris.

Postal address: Pavillon de Breteuil, F-92312 Sèvres Cedex
Street address: 12bis Grande Rue, F-92310 Sèvres

However, it's still just an arbitrary measurement. It was based on
a fraction of the earth's diameter. And derived from a small arc of
said diameter. Coincidentally it just happened to end up being close
to the same length of the English yard.

Frequency is another arbitrary system. It is based on the rotation
of the earth divided by 86,400 for seconds. Or 24 for hours, which
had already been standardized during the Roman Empire.

The primary advantage of the Metric system is all the units are
related to one another and divisible by ten. Length, volume, weight
etc.. Unlike the relationship between inches, ounces (liquid) and
ounces (weight) that all have different divisors. Inch, feet, yards,
miles etc..



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OK, I'm no Physisyst, though I quite liked Physics at school and was
reasonably good at it.

Is it not now considered that time is no longer arbitrary?
i.e. Atomic clocks base a second around the determinable decay of some kind
of (cesium) radioactive particle?

This is not a variable under normal earth conditions.


So, "v = f.lambda" has at least one "known" value.

You don't actually need to know whether a metre is a metre at all, as long
as you accept the value of "t" as a known constant.

I think.



Albert.

 

On Sunday, 4 March 2018 21:41:33 UTC, Fox's Mercantile wrote:

On 3/4/18 2:31 PM, Gareth Magennis wrote:
Just from memory, I can't be arsed to Google it right now,

isn't there some piece of metal held in a vault somewhere (possibly
France) that is defined to be the accepted length of a metre?

That would be the Bureau international des poids et mesures.

The original international prototype of the metre is still kept at
the BIPM under the conditions specified in 1889.

The BIPM is also the keeper of the international prototype of the
kilogram.

The BIPM is situated in the Parc de Saint-Cloud, at Sèvres, in the
suburbs south-west of Paris.

Postal address: Pavillon de Breteuil, F-92312 Sèvres Cedex
Street address: 12bis Grande Rue, F-92310 Sèvres

However, it's still just an arbitrary measurement. It was based on
a fraction of the earth's diameter. And derived from a small arc of
said diameter. Coincidentally it just happened to end up being close
to the same length of the English yard.

Frequency is another arbitrary system. It is based on the rotation
of the earth divided by 86,400 for seconds. Or 24 for hours, which
had already been standardized during the Roman Empire.

The primary advantage of the Metric system is all the units are
related to one another and divisible by ten. Length, volume, weight
etc.. Unlike the relationship between inches, ounces (liquid) and
ounces (weight) that all have different divisors. Inch, feet, yards,
miles etc..

Somewhere I have a book from the 1800s that lists the sizes of imperial measurements in various countries. They are nearly all different, that is the prime reason metric became popular, traditional units became a mare when international trade greatly expanded.

Easy division by 10 is sometimes useful. Easy division by 2,3,4,6 & 12 is sometimes useful. I pick my system according to which works better for each task.


NT

 

On Sunday, 4 March 2018 22:16:09 UTC, Gareth Magennis wrote:

OK, I'm no Physisyst, though I quite liked Physics at school and was
reasonably good at it.

Is it not now considered that time is no longer arbitrary?
i.e. Atomic clocks base a second around the determinable decay of some kind
of (cesium) radioactive particle?

This is not a variable under normal earth conditions.

but the unit of seconds is an arbitrary number of decays.


NT

 

[Fox's Mercantile]

On 3/4/18 4:16 PM, Gareth Magennis wrote:

Is it not now considered that time is no longer arbitrary?
i.e. Atomic clocks base a second around the determinable
decay of some kind of (cesium) radioactive particle?

It's still an arbitrary measurement.
Just now, it is one they can assign it's arbitrary value more
accurately and consistently.

Just like the gram.

Originally defined as "the absolute weight of a volume of pure
water equal to the cube of the hundredth part of a metre, and
at the temperature of melting ice"[2] (later at 4 °C, the
temperature of maximum density of water). However, in a reversal
of reference and defined units, a gram is now defined as one
one-thousandth of the SI base unit, the kilogram, or 1×10−3 kg,
which itself is now defined, not in terms of grams, but as being
equal to the mass of a physical prototype of a specific alloy kept
locked up and preserved by the International Bureau of Weights and
Measures.

Or Fahrenheit vs Celsius.
Fahrenheit was originally derived a 0 F = the coldest it's ever
been and 100 F = the hottest it's ever been. Both quite arbitrary.
Then along came Celsius. Water freezes at 0 C and boils at 100 C,
compared to 32 F and 212 F respectively. A little bit more accurate
that "Oh shit it's hot outside."



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[Gareth Magennis]

"Fox's Mercantile" wrote in message
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On 3/4/18 4:16 PM, Gareth Magennis wrote:

Is it not now considered that time is no longer arbitrary?
i.e. Atomic clocks base a second around the determinable
decay of some kind of (cesium) radioactive particle?

It's still an arbitrary measurement.
Just now, it is one they can assign it's arbitrary value more
accurately and consistently.



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So are you saying it is a variable?


Either it is, or it isn't.




Gareth.

 

[Fox's Mercantile]

On 3/4/18 5:32 PM, Gareth Magennis wrote:

"Fox's Mercantile"  wrote in message
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On 3/4/18 4:16 PM, Gareth Magennis wrote:
Is it not now considered that time is no longer arbitrary?
i.e. Atomic clocks base a second around the determinable
decay of some kind of (cesium) radioactive particle?

It's still an arbitrary measurement.
Just now, it is one they can assign it's arbitrary value more
accurately and consistently.



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So are you saying it is a variable?


Either it is, or it isn't.

I didn't say it was variable.
I said it's arbitrary, and the arbitrarily assigned value is more
precises and repeatable now.


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