Much more BAD NEWS for Lyin\' Biden\'s electrification plan...

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 9:01:15 PM UTC+10, amdx wrote:

On 9/12/2022 7:28 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 9:44:14 PM UTC+10, amdx wrote:
On 9/11/2022 9:04 PM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 9:50:57 AM UTC+10, amdx wrote:
On 8/26/2022 2:58 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 4:39:44 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 10:09:27 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 2:20:39 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 9:01:47 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 12:57:03 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 5:45:17 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:39:26 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

<snip>

Bill, according to the EIA Us Energy Information Administration Solar
from large and small scale production has increased 22% a year since
2015 to 2021. Sounds great, until you look at the drop in production
from other sources. Coal, Petroleum liquids, Petroleum Coke, Nuclear and
other gases have all fallen in their electric generation. Wind
production is thrown in with all renewables and new easily figured out,
but I believe it provide a bit more than solar. Natural gas is up, but
has only grown 2.4% a year, the last 7 years. In those 7 years total
electric production has only grown 0.9%, not per year, but for all 7
years!!!

Electricity is generated when it is needed, and only as much as is needed. There is a bit of pumped storage and we are starting to see some investment in grid scale batteries, but they are used to buffer short term difference i supply and demand - over hours not weeks.

So what you are complaining about is cheap renewable generation being used rather than more expensive alternative supplies.

Why US energy demand has been more or less static since about 2000 isn\'t clear. The fact that the US has off-shored a lot of it\'s manufacturing to China since them may come into it.

No wonder we have rolling brownouts. Where is the power to
charge those mandated electric vehicles going to come from?
https://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.php?t=epmt_1_01

You will just have to build even more solar farms and wind turbines. It isn\'t difficult or all that expensive.

The greenies have really put us in a bind.

It isn\'t the greenies who have made renewable electricity generation cheaper than any other source of electric power, and moving your electricity generation system to relying on the cheapest source of power isn\'t putting you in any kind of bind. Not investing enough in new generators and not adjusting the transmission grid to handle to the new generators is putting you in a bind, but the greenies can\'t be blamed for that.

If it\'s cheaper, why did I recently have a 38% increase in my electricity rate for anything over 1000kWhs?

Half of my electricity bill covers the cost of the grid that delivers it.

If your utility company hasn\'t invested enough in the grid that supplies you they may be slugging high volume users in the hope of getting them to consume less , and devoting the extra money to beefing up the grid between you and the place where that cheap extra power is being generated.

It isn\'t just the cost of generating the power - you are also paying for the cost of transporting from where it is generated to you.

My bill has a breakout \'ENERGY CHARGE\' category. Since January it has a
28.7% increase for any use over 1000kWhs. While the \'NON FUEL ENERGY CHARGE\'
has only increased 9.3% for any use over 1000kWhs. The bill states,\"The
fuel charge represents the cost of fuel used to generate
electricity. It is a direct pass-through to customers, FPL does not
profit from fuel.\"

But if they have to burn expensive fossil carbon to supply high volume consumers they would charge more for that extra current.

Because the solar cells and the wind turbines generate power cheaply, they will sell as much of that as they can.

If the greenies had persuaded them to over-invest in cheap renewable generation, they wouldn\'t need to charge high volume consumers more for consuming more power, so presumably they haven\'t. In fact it takes time and money to buy and install new generating plant, and while the old fossil-carbon fueled year is still working it makes sense to squeeze it for some last dregs of output, particularly when the sun isn\'t shining and the wind isn\'t blowing. If they hadn\'t invested much - so far - in pumped storage and grid-scale batteries, they wouldn\'t have a lot of choice.

The greenies have been less vocal about pumped storage and grid batteries, which is bit silly, but the argument for that investment is less obvious, and people like Gnatguy can\'t understand it at all.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 2:12:37 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 9:27:03 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 12:58:58 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 7:46:11 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 5:09:17 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 3:54:45 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 2:30:27 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, September 2, 2022 at 8:44:46 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 1:04:17 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 10:13:03 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 2:25:09 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, August 30, 2022 at 8:49:35 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 12:34:24 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 7:40:36 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 2:07:44 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 8:11:06 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 11:08:30 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 7:32:14 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 10:31:57 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 8:44:42 AM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
GnatTurd <maggot...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:aa9484b4-4967-467a...@googlegroups.com:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 5:45:17 PM UTC-7,
bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:39:26 AM UTC+10, GnatTurd wrote:

<snip>

And your claim that he has \"no plan\" is essentially a statement that you don\'t like the plan he has laid out and refuse to take it seriously - not that you could understand it if you did try to take it seriously.

Hey Bozo, when I say that Joe Biden has no plan I mean that there IS NO WRITTEN PLAN to accomplish what he has MANDATED to do by 2030.

None that you can understand.

> Joe Biden HAS NOT \"laid out a plan\" to make this happen; what he has done is to release PRESS STATEMENTS about this. A REAL PLAN MUST include Congressional Action that AUTHORIZES funding to for this action. WHERE IS THE FUNDING??????

Your idea of what might constitute a real plan might be of interest to you. Nobody else takes the ravings of an incoherent idiot like you seriously.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Flyguy]

On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 10:28:23 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:

On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 2:12:37 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 9:27:03 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 12:58:58 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 7:46:11 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 5:09:17 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 3:54:45 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 2:30:27 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, September 2, 2022 at 8:44:46 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 1:04:17 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 10:13:03 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 2:25:09 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, August 30, 2022 at 8:49:35 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 12:34:24 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 7:40:36 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 2:07:44 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 8:11:06 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 11:08:30 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 7:32:14 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 10:31:57 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 8:44:42 AM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
GnatTurd <maggot...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:aa9484b4-4967-467a...@googlegroups.com:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 5:45:17 PM UTC-7,
bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:39:26 AM UTC+10, GnatTurd wrote:

snip
And your claim that he has \"no plan\" is essentially a statement that you don\'t like the plan he has laid out and refuse to take it seriously - not that you could understand it if you did try to take it seriously.

Hey Bozo, when I say that Joe Biden has no plan I mean that there IS NO WRITTEN PLAN to accomplish what he has MANDATED to do by 2030.

None that you can understand.

Joe Biden HAS NOT \"laid out a plan\" to make this happen; what he has done is to release PRESS STATEMENTS about this. A REAL PLAN MUST include Congressional Action that AUTHORIZES funding to for this action. WHERE IS THE FUNDING??????

Your idea of what might constitute a real plan might be of interest to you. Nobody else takes the ravings of an incoherent idiot like you seriously.

--
Bozo Bill Sloman, Sydney

Hey Bozo, it is VERY SIMPLE: if that senile pervert Lyin\' Biden has a FUNDED PLAN, then PRODUCE, you FUCK!!!!

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 3:38:26 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 10:28:23 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 2:12:37 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 9:27:03 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 12:58:58 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 7:46:11 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 5:09:17 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 3:54:45 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 2:30:27 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, September 2, 2022 at 8:44:46 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 1:04:17 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 10:13:03 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 2:25:09 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, August 30, 2022 at 8:49:35 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 12:34:24 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 7:40:36 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 2:07:44 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 8:11:06 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 11:08:30 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 7:32:14 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 10:31:57 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 8:44:42 AM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
GnatTurd <maggot...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:aa9484b4-4967-467a...@googlegroups.com:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 5:45:17 PM UTC-7,
bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:39:26 AM UTC+10, GnatTurd wrote:

snip

And your claim that he has \"no plan\" is essentially a statement that you don\'t like the plan he has laid out and refuse to take it seriously - not that you could understand it if you did try to take it seriously.

Hey, when I say that Joe Biden has no plan I mean that there IS NO WRITTEN PLAN to accomplish what he has MANDATED to do by 2030.

None that you can understand.

Joe Biden HAS NOT \"laid out a plan\" to make this happen; what he has done is to release PRESS STATEMENTS about this. A REAL PLAN MUST include Congressional Action that AUTHORIZES funding to for this action. WHERE IS THE FUNDING??????

Your idea of what might constitute a real plan might be of interest to you. Nobody else takes the ravings of an incoherent idiot like you seriously.

Hey, it is VERY SIMPLE: if Joe Biden has a FUNDED PLAN, then PRODUCE !!!!

I did produce a plan. It doesn\'t meet you bizarre and unrealistic criteria. The problem here is simply and only that you are a half-wit.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 12:58:58 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 7:46:11 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 5:09:17 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 3:54:45 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 2:30:27 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, September 2, 2022 at 8:44:46 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 1:04:17 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 10:13:03 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 2:25:09 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, August 30, 2022 at 8:49:35 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 12:34:24 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 7:40:36 AM UTC-7, bill.....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 2:07:44 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 8:11:06 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 11:08:30 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 7:32:14 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 10:31:57 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 8:44:42 AM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
GnatTurd <maggot...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:aa9484b4-4967-467a...@googlegroups..com:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 5:45:17 PM UTC-7,
bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:39:26 AM UTC+10, GnatTurd wrote:

<snip>

Which is it - are they taking bribes or not???
It was a hypothetical situation. My guess is that somebody in the EIA is taking bribes - that is how the US administration works - it wouldn\'t be easy to prove a specific case.
Your \"guess\" is also called LIBEL.

But I\'d can libel somebody specific, and I haven\'t named anybody. Of course if you could find an explicit statement made by a specific author that actually made your fatuous assertion I might be in trouble, but you aren\'t going to do that.

I\'m being sarcastic here. You haven\'t got a mind, and you\'ve clearly never been anywhere near that web-site.

Yeah, so WHY did I reference it ???

Probably because you found the URL in some of the right-wing drivel you read. Actually clicking on it would have been beyond you.

It is certain that YOU haven\'t been to that website before. I routinely go to it.

But you\'ve never posted any of the links you have found. You couldn\'t understand what they were saying?

Bill, your response are getting more and more bizarre - sounds like early onset dementia to me.

Of course it does. I\'ve pointed out that this fits you. and you are too dumb to think up your own insults.

Ok, that\'s progress - you are admitting you are in early dementia.

Only somebody suffering from really severe dementia could find that implication in what I posted.

Though suggesting that you are suffering from dementia is kinder than suggesting that you always were as stupid as you look to be at the moment.

Yet another sign of dementia - blaming others for YOUR problem. You accuse bureaucrats of conspiring against you but have NO PROOF, just your weird fantasies.

The dementia is all yours. You confuse a point made about a hypothetical situation - that your unproven claim about the EIA
\"The EIA, a government agency, knows FAR MORE than Joe Biden. They KNOW it is NOT POSSIBLE to be 100% \"green\" by 2050.\"
which I don\'t happen to believe to be true, with a claim that some specific bureaucrat had been bribed.

Find a explicit statement from the EIA to that effect, and you will probably find that the person that made it has been bribed, but first you have to find the explicit statement, which is too absurd to be plausible.

Let me correct an error on my part; I said that Joe Biden wants the grid to be \"green\" by 2050 - actually he wants it to be green (zero carbon) by TWENTY THIRTY, a full TWENTY YEARS earlier than what I said!

It would be nice if it happened. From the point of view of slowing down anthropogenic global warming it\'s a bit under-ambitious.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/12/08/fact-sheet-president-biden-signs-executive-order-catalyzing-americas-clean-energy-economy-through-federal-sustainability/

He has presented absolutely NO PLAN to make this happen - it is all totally WISHFUL THINKING (although to claim that Joe Biden thinks is a stretch).

He really shouldn\'t need to. \"Green\" electricity - generated by solar cells and wind turbines - is cheaper than any other source of electricity, even when you\'ve figured in the extra cost of grid storage to cover the periods when the sun isn\'t shining and the wind isn\'t blowing, and the extra generating capacity to charge up that storage. American capitalists should be racing to invest in the new cheaper technology, rather than wasting money on climate change denial propaganda and broadcasting it to half-wits like you.

And your claim that he has \"no plan\" is essentially a statement that you don\'t like the plan he has laid out and refuse to take it seriously - not that you could understand it if you did try to take it seriously.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Flyguy]

On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 6:43:16 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:

On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 4:55:34 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 10:44:30 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 3:38:26 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 10:28:23 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 2:12:37 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 9:27:03 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 12:58:58 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 7:46:11 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 5:09:17 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 3:54:45 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 2:30:27 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, September 2, 2022 at 8:44:46 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 1:04:17 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 10:13:03 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 2:25:09 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, August 30, 2022 at 8:49:35 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 12:34:24 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 7:40:36 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 2:07:44 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 8:11:06 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 11:08:30 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 7:32:14 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 10:31:57 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 8:44:42 AM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
GnatTurd <maggot...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:aa9484b4-4967-467a...@googlegroups.com:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 5:45:17 PM UTC-7,
bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:39:26 AM UTC+10, GnatTurd wrote:

snip

And your claim that he has \"no plan\" is essentially a statement that you don\'t like the plan he has laid out and refuse to take it seriously - not that you could understand it if you did try to take it seriously.

Hey, when I say that Joe Biden has no plan I mean that there IS NO WRITTEN PLAN to accomplish what he has MANDATED to do by 2030.

None that you can understand.

Joe Biden HAS NOT \"laid out a plan\" to make this happen; what he has done is to release PRESS STATEMENTS about this. A REAL PLAN MUST include Congressional Action that AUTHORIZES funding to for this action. WHERE IS THE FUNDING??????

Your idea of what might constitute a real plan might be of interest to you. Nobody else takes the ravings of an incoherent idiot like you seriously.

Hey, it is VERY SIMPLE: if Joe Biden has a FUNDED PLAN, then PRODUCE !!!!

I did produce a plan. It doesn\'t meet you bizarre and unrealistic criteria. The problem here is simply and only that you are a half-wit.

The \"plan\" you posted was for ONLY $2B, a tiny fraction of what will be required to achieve Joe Biden\'s stated goal.

Which is to say that you have a different plan - to which you can\'t provide a link - which would cost trillions to implement. You are an idiot, so we aren\'t going to take it seriously.

--
Bozo Bill Sloman, Sydney

Hey Bozo, then I will ASK again: WHAT \"plan\" are you talking about, and provide a link to the CONGRESSIONAL BILL authorizing it.

 

[Flyguy]

On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 11:49:04 AM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

amdx <am...@knology.net> wrote in news:tfn626$28f97$1...@dont-email.me:

ś˙If it\'s cheaper, why did I recently have a 38% increase in my
electricity rate for anything over 1000kWhs?

If you are popping off even 1000kWhr a month on a residential service,
you are excessive.

Switch your grow lamps over to LED.

And there is your answer. They are making the grow community pay
more. \"A little piece of the action\" as it were.

Oh, wait... I assumed California. Nevermind.

Just examine your usage numbers. That seems excessive (the amount
you use, not the amount they are charging), but I do not know the size
of your ranch/shack/etc either.

Hey fucking dimwit 1000 kwh per month DOESN\'T cover the needs of an ALL electric home - not even close.

 

[Flyguy]

On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 4:25:17 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:

On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 9:01:15 PM UTC+10, amdx wrote:
On 9/12/2022 7:28 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 9:44:14 PM UTC+10, amdx wrote:
On 9/11/2022 9:04 PM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 9:50:57 AM UTC+10, amdx wrote:
On 8/26/2022 2:58 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 4:39:44 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 10:09:27 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee..org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 2:20:39 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 9:01:47 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 12:57:03 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 5:45:17 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:39:26 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

snip
Bill, according to the EIA Us Energy Information Administration Solar
from large and small scale production has increased 22% a year since
2015 to 2021. Sounds great, until you look at the drop in production
from other sources. Coal, Petroleum liquids, Petroleum Coke, Nuclear and
other gases have all fallen in their electric generation. Wind
production is thrown in with all renewables and new easily figured out,
but I believe it provide a bit more than solar. Natural gas is up, but
has only grown 2.4% a year, the last 7 years. In those 7 years total
electric production has only grown 0.9%, not per year, but for all 7
years!!!

Electricity is generated when it is needed, and only as much as is needed. There is a bit of pumped storage and we are starting to see some investment in grid scale batteries, but they are used to buffer short term difference i supply and demand - over hours not weeks.

So what you are complaining about is cheap renewable generation being used rather than more expensive alternative supplies.

Why US energy demand has been more or less static since about 2000 isn\'t clear. The fact that the US has off-shored a lot of it\'s manufacturing to China since them may come into it.

No wonder we have rolling brownouts. Where is the power to
charge those mandated electric vehicles going to come from?
https://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.php?t=epmt_1_01

You will just have to build even more solar farms and wind turbines.. It isn\'t difficult or all that expensive.

The greenies have really put us in a bind.

It isn\'t the greenies who have made renewable electricity generation cheaper than any other source of electric power, and moving your electricity generation system to relying on the cheapest source of power isn\'t putting you in any kind of bind. Not investing enough in new generators and not adjusting the transmission grid to handle to the new generators is putting you in a bind, but the greenies can\'t be blamed for that.

If it\'s cheaper, why did I recently have a 38% increase in my electricity rate for anything over 1000kWhs?

Half of my electricity bill covers the cost of the grid that delivers it.

If your utility company hasn\'t invested enough in the grid that supplies you they may be slugging high volume users in the hope of getting them to consume less , and devoting the extra money to beefing up the grid between you and the place where that cheap extra power is being generated.

It isn\'t just the cost of generating the power - you are also paying for the cost of transporting from where it is generated to you.

My bill has a breakout \'ENERGY CHARGE\' category. Since January it has a
28.7% increase for any use over 1000kWhs. While the \'NON FUEL ENERGY CHARGE\'
has only increased 9.3% for any use over 1000kWhs. The bill states,\"The
fuel charge represents the cost of fuel used to generate
electricity. It is a direct pass-through to customers, FPL does not
profit from fuel.\"
But if they have to burn expensive fossil carbon to supply high volume consumers they would charge more for that extra current.

Because the solar cells and the wind turbines generate power cheaply, they will sell as much of that as they can.

If the greenies had persuaded them to over-invest in cheap renewable generation, they wouldn\'t need to charge high volume consumers more for consuming more power, so presumably they haven\'t. In fact it takes time and money to buy and install new generating plant, and while the old fossil-carbon fueled year is still working it makes sense to squeeze it for some last dregs of output, particularly when the sun isn\'t shining and the wind isn\'t blowing. If they hadn\'t invested much - so far - in pumped storage and grid-scale batteries, they wouldn\'t have a lot of choice.

The greenies have been less vocal about pumped storage and grid batteries, which is bit silly, but the argument for that investment is less obvious, and people like Gnatguy can\'t understand it at all.

--
Bozo Bill Sloman, Sydney

Hey Bozo, \"renewables\" are also known as UNRELIABLES - they can\'t be depended upon (just ask the Brits).

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 1:35:13 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 6:43:16 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 4:55:34 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 10:44:30 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 3:38:26 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 10:28:23 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 2:12:37 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 9:27:03 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 12:58:58 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 7:46:11 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 5:09:17 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 3:54:45 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 2:30:27 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, September 2, 2022 at 8:44:46 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 1:04:17 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 10:13:03 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 2:25:09 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, August 30, 2022 at 8:49:35 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 12:34:24 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 7:40:36 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 2:07:44 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 8:11:06 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 11:08:30 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 7:32:14 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 10:31:57 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 8:44:42 AM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
GnatTurd <maggot...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:aa9484b4-4967-467a...@googlegroups.com:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 5:45:17 PM UTC-7,
bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:39:26 AM UTC+10, GnatTurd wrote:

snip

And your claim that he has \"no plan\" is essentially a statement that you don\'t like the plan he has laid out and refuse to take it seriously - not that you could understand it if you did try to take it seriously.

Hey, when I say that Joe Biden has no plan I mean that there IS NO WRITTEN PLAN to accomplish what he has MANDATED to do by 2030.

None that you can understand.

Joe Biden HAS NOT \"laid out a plan\" to make this happen; what he has done is to release PRESS STATEMENTS about this. A REAL PLAN MUST include Congressional Action that AUTHORIZES funding to for this action. WHERE IS THE FUNDING??????

Your idea of what might constitute a real plan might be of interest to you. Nobody else takes the ravings of an incoherent idiot like you seriously.

Hey, it is VERY SIMPLE: if Joe Biden has a FUNDED PLAN, then PRODUCE !!!!

I did produce a plan. It doesn\'t meet you bizarre and unrealistic criteria. The problem here is simply and only that you are a half-wit.

The \"plan\" you posted was for ONLY $2B, a tiny fraction of what will be required to achieve Joe Biden\'s stated goal.

Which is to say that you have a different plan - to which you can\'t provide a link - which would cost trillions to implement. You are an idiot, so we aren\'t going to take it seriously.

Hey Bill, then I will ASK again: WHAT \"plan\" are you talking about, and provide a link to the CONGRESSIONAL BILL authorizing it.

You can ask all you like, but since you imperiously reject anything that we can find, we aren\'t going to take your request seriously.
Where\'s your \"plan\" which says that it is going to cost trillions?

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 1:38:14 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 4:25:17 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 9:01:15 PM UTC+10, amdx wrote:
On 9/12/2022 7:28 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 9:44:14 PM UTC+10, amdx wrote:
On 9/11/2022 9:04 PM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 9:50:57 AM UTC+10, amdx wrote:
On 8/26/2022 2:58 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 4:39:44 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 10:09:27 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 2:20:39 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 9:01:47 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 12:57:03 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 5:45:17 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:39:26 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

snip
Bill, according to the EIA Us Energy Information Administration Solar
from large and small scale production has increased 22% a year since
2015 to 2021. Sounds great, until you look at the drop in production
from other sources. Coal, Petroleum liquids, Petroleum Coke, Nuclear and
other gases have all fallen in their electric generation. Wind
production is thrown in with all renewables and new easily figured out,
but I believe it provide a bit more than solar. Natural gas is up, but
has only grown 2.4% a year, the last 7 years. In those 7 years total
electric production has only grown 0.9%, not per year, but for all 7
years!!!

Electricity is generated when it is needed, and only as much as is needed. There is a bit of pumped storage and we are starting to see some investment in grid scale batteries, but they are used to buffer short term difference i supply and demand - over hours not weeks.

So what you are complaining about is cheap renewable generation being used rather than more expensive alternative supplies.

Why US energy demand has been more or less static since about 2000 isn\'t clear. The fact that the US has off-shored a lot of it\'s manufacturing to China since them may come into it.

No wonder we have rolling brownouts. Where is the power to
charge those mandated electric vehicles going to come from?
https://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.php?t=epmt_1_01

You will just have to build even more solar farms and wind turbines. It isn\'t difficult or all that expensive.

The greenies have really put us in a bind.

It isn\'t the greenies who have made renewable electricity generation cheaper than any other source of electric power, and moving your electricity generation system to relying on the cheapest source of power isn\'t putting you in any kind of bind. Not investing enough in new generators and not adjusting the transmission grid to handle to the new generators is putting you in a bind, but the greenies can\'t be blamed for that.

If it\'s cheaper, why did I recently have a 38% increase in my electricity rate for anything over 1000kWhs?

Half of my electricity bill covers the cost of the grid that delivers it.

If your utility company hasn\'t invested enough in the grid that supplies you they may be slugging high volume users in the hope of getting them to consume less , and devoting the extra money to beefing up the grid between you and the place where that cheap extra power is being generated.

It isn\'t just the cost of generating the power - you are also paying for the cost of transporting from where it is generated to you.

My bill has a breakout \'ENERGY CHARGE\' category. Since January it has a
28.7% increase for any use over 1000kWhs. While the \'NON FUEL ENERGY CHARGE\'
has only increased 9.3% for any use over 1000kWhs. The bill states,\"The
fuel charge represents the cost of fuel used to generate
electricity. It is a direct pass-through to customers, FPL does not
profit from fuel.\"
But if they have to burn expensive fossil carbon to supply high volume consumers they would charge more for that extra current.

Because the solar cells and the wind turbines generate power cheaply, they will sell as much of that as they can.

If the greenies had persuaded them to over-invest in cheap renewable generation, they wouldn\'t need to charge high volume consumers more for consuming more power, so presumably they haven\'t. In fact it takes time and money to buy and install new generating plant, and while the old fossil-carbon fueled year is still working it makes sense to squeeze it for some last dregs of output, particularly when the sun isn\'t shining and the wind isn\'t blowing. If they hadn\'t invested much - so far - in pumped storage and grid-scale batteries, they wouldn\'t have a lot of choice.

The greenies have been less vocal about pumped storage and grid batteries, which is bit silly, but the argument for that investment is less obvious, and people like Gnatguy can\'t understand it at all.

Hey Bozo, \"renewables\" are also known as UNRELIABLES - they can\'t be depended upon (just ask the Brits).

They aren\'t. They are intermittent sources but the sun rises pretty reliably every day. You do need grid storage to bridge the gaps, and we haven\'t got enough of that yet. We do know that your failing mind can\'t grasp this idea, and there\'s no need for you to remind us that your senile dementia is getting worse.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[server]

amdx <amdx@knology.net> wrote in news:tfpogs$2ikkl$1@dont-email.me:

On 9/12/2022 1:48 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
wrote:
amdx <amdx@knology.net> wrote in
news:tfn626$28f97$1@dont-email.me:

¶ÿIf it\'s cheaper, why did I recently have a 38% increase in
my
electricity rate for anything over 1000kWhs?

If you are popping off even 1000kWhr a month on a residential
service, you are excessive.

Switch your grow lamps over to LED.

And there is your answer. They are making the grow community
pay
more. \"A little piece of the action\" as it were.

Oh, wait... I assumed California. Nevermind.

Just examine your usage numbers. That seems excessive (the
amount
you use, not the amount they are charging), but I do not know the
size of your ranch/shack/etc either.
 Huh! our peak usage was 1,778 kWhs for June 19 to July 19.
We keep the thermostat at 78*F. The house is 1600 sqft. All
electric home.
                         Mikek

That is way too much consumption. Too many lights left on?
Toasting bread? Boiling water? You probably use more in a day than
I do in half a month.

 

[server]

GnatTurd <maggot2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:f44dc07e-8ffe-48d7-b6a6-8235c8f0c606n@googlegroups.com:

On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 11:49:04 AM UTC-7,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
amdx <am...@knology.net> wrote in
news:tfn626$28f97$1...@dont-email.me:


ś˙If it\'s cheaper, why did I recently have a 38% increase in
my
electricity rate for anything over 1000kWhs?

If you are popping off even 1000kWhr a month on a residential
service, you are excessive.

Switch your grow lamps over to LED.

And there is your answer. They are making the grow community pay
more. \"A little piece of the action\" as it were.

Oh, wait... I assumed California. Nevermind.

Just examine your usage numbers. That seems excessive (the amount
you use, not the amount they are charging), but I do not know the
size of your ranch/shack/etc either.

Hey fucking dimwit 1000 kwh per month DOESN\'T cover the needs of
an ALL electric home - not even close.

That depends on one\'s usage, you pathetic, know nothing Trumpanzee
dumbfuck.

 

[Flyguy]

On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 10:44:30 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:

On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 3:38:26 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 10:28:23 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 2:12:37 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 9:27:03 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 12:58:58 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 7:46:11 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 5:09:17 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 3:54:45 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 2:30:27 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, September 2, 2022 at 8:44:46 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 1:04:17 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 10:13:03 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 2:25:09 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, August 30, 2022 at 8:49:35 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 12:34:24 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 7:40:36 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 2:07:44 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 8:11:06 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 11:08:30 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 7:32:14 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 10:31:57 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 8:44:42 AM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
GnatTurd <maggot...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:aa9484b4-4967-467a...@googlegroups.com:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 5:45:17 PM UTC-7,
bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:39:26 AM UTC+10, GnatTurd wrote:

snip

And your claim that he has \"no plan\" is essentially a statement that you don\'t like the plan he has laid out and refuse to take it seriously - not that you could understand it if you did try to take it seriously.

Hey, when I say that Joe Biden has no plan I mean that there IS NO WRITTEN PLAN to accomplish what he has MANDATED to do by 2030.

None that you can understand.

Joe Biden HAS NOT \"laid out a plan\" to make this happen; what he has done is to release PRESS STATEMENTS about this. A REAL PLAN MUST include Congressional Action that AUTHORIZES funding to for this action. WHERE IS THE FUNDING??????

Your idea of what might constitute a real plan might be of interest to you. Nobody else takes the ravings of an incoherent idiot like you seriously.

Hey, it is VERY SIMPLE: if Joe Biden has a FUNDED PLAN, then PRODUCE !!!!

I did produce a plan. It doesn\'t meet you bizarre and unrealistic criteria. The problem here is simply and only that you are a half-wit.

The \"plan\" you posted was for ONLY $2B, a tiny fraction of what will be required to achieve senile pervert Lyin\' Biden\'s stated goal.

 

[whit3rd]

On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 8:38:14 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

> ... \"renewables\" are also known as UNRELIABLES - they can\'t be depended upon (just ask the Brits).

Russian oil and gas are also unreliable, this year. So is Tuesday rain. We DO depend on unreliable events,
all the time. The Brits remember Dunkirk as a kind of miracle: not reliable, but
certainly worthwhile.

 

[Mike Monett VE3BTI]

whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 8:38:14 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

... \"renewables\" are also known as UNRELIABLES - they can\'t be depended
upon (just ask the Brits).

Russian oil and gas are also unreliable, this year. So is Tuesday
rain. We DO depend on unreliable events, all the time. The Brits
remember Dunkirk as a kind of miracle: not reliable, but certainly
worthwhile.

whit3rd, can you please block Flyguy? You are wasting your time replying to
him, and our time reading your post.

We have blocked him long ago. Just look at the number of posts from other
members regarding Flyguy. There are none.



--
MRM

 

[amdx]

On 8/26/2022 2:58 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 4:39:44 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 10:09:27 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 2:20:39 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 9:01:47 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 12:57:03 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 5:45:17 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:39:26 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
snip

Why should I be expected to remember bogus statistic dredged from your failing memory? Find a link to something more reliable.
I don\'t expect your demented mind to REMEMBER ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!
Of course you don\'t. You are totally out of touch with reality.

I\'m perfectly happy to accept that you are in some kind of hysterical panic, but I don\'t see any need to take you seriously.
You are perfectly happy to DELUDE YOURSELF with your provably wrong LIBTARD FANTASIES.
Gnatguy imagines that he can prove something. He can demonstrate that he looks exactly like a demented idiot, but that\'s the limit of his capabilities.

You can\'t produce a plan you say exists <snip
I did, but you claim that it isn\'t a plan. Much easier than explaining why you think that is inadequate (which it isn\'t).

Bill, according to the EIA Us Energy Information Administration Solar
from large and small scale production has increased 22% a year since
2015 to 2021. Sounds great, until you look at the drop in production
from other sources. Coal, Petroleum liquids, Petroleum Coke, Nuclear and
other gases have all fallen in their electric generation. Wind
production is thrown in with all renewables and new easily figured out,
but I believe it provide a bit more than solar. Natural gas is up, but
has only grown 2.4% a year, the last 7 years. In those 7 years total
electric production has only grown 0.9%, not per year, but for all 7
years!!!  No wonder we have rolling brownouts. Where is the power to
charge those mandated electric vehicles going to come from?
> https://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.php?t=epmt_1_01

The greenies have really putus in a bind.

  The demented idiot we need to worry about is not here, we all know
where he is.


<https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjQlsHn8I36AhVpKkQIHbawB-cQFnoECAUQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.eia.gov%2F&usg=AOvVaw11Upg0IHh1VvSSIEKy3nu_>

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 4:55:34 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 10:44:30 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 3:38:26 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 10:28:23 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 2:12:37 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 9:27:03 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 12:58:58 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 7:46:11 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 5:09:17 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 3:54:45 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 2:30:27 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, September 2, 2022 at 8:44:46 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 1:04:17 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 10:13:03 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 2:25:09 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, August 30, 2022 at 8:49:35 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 12:34:24 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 7:40:36 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 2:07:44 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 8:11:06 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 11:08:30 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 7:32:14 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 10:31:57 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 8:44:42 AM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
GnatTurd <maggot...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:aa9484b4-4967-467a...@googlegroups.com:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 5:45:17 PM UTC-7,
bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:39:26 AM UTC+10, GnatTurd wrote:

snip

And your claim that he has \"no plan\" is essentially a statement that you don\'t like the plan he has laid out and refuse to take it seriously - not that you could understand it if you did try to take it seriously.

Hey, when I say that Joe Biden has no plan I mean that there IS NO WRITTEN PLAN to accomplish what he has MANDATED to do by 2030.

None that you can understand.

Joe Biden HAS NOT \"laid out a plan\" to make this happen; what he has done is to release PRESS STATEMENTS about this. A REAL PLAN MUST include Congressional Action that AUTHORIZES funding to for this action. WHERE IS THE FUNDING??????

Your idea of what might constitute a real plan might be of interest to you. Nobody else takes the ravings of an incoherent idiot like you seriously.

Hey, it is VERY SIMPLE: if Joe Biden has a FUNDED PLAN, then PRODUCE !!!!

I did produce a plan. It doesn\'t meet you bizarre and unrealistic criteria. The problem here is simply and only that you are a half-wit.

The \"plan\" you posted was for ONLY $2B, a tiny fraction of what will be required to achieve Joe Biden\'s stated goal.

Which is to say that you have a different plan - to which you can\'t provide a link - which would cost trillions to implement. You are an idiot, so we aren\'t going to take it seriously.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Flyguy]

On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 8:44:26 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:

On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 1:00:09 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 10:19:34 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 1:38:14 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 4:25:17 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 9:01:15 PM UTC+10, amdx wrote:
On 9/12/2022 7:28 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 9:44:14 PM UTC+10, amdx wrote:
On 9/11/2022 9:04 PM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 9:50:57 AM UTC+10, amdx wrote:
On 8/26/2022 2:58 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 4:39:44 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 10:09:27 PM UTC-7, bill.....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 2:20:39 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 9:01:47 PM UTC-7, bill.....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 12:57:03 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 5:45:17 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:39:26 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

snip
If the greenies had persuaded them to over-invest in cheap renewable generation, they wouldn\'t need to charge high volume consumers more for consuming more power, so presumably they haven\'t. In fact it takes time and money to buy and install new generating plant, and while the old fossil-carbon fueled year is still working it makes sense to squeeze it for some last dregs of output, particularly when the sun isn\'t shining and the wind isn\'t blowing. If they hadn\'t invested much - so far - in pumped storage and grid-scale batteries, they wouldn\'t have a lot of choice.

The greenies have been less vocal about pumped storage and grid batteries, which is bit silly, but the argument for that investment is less obvious, and people like Gnatguy can\'t understand it at all.

Hey Bill, \"renewables\" are also known as UNRELIABLES - they can\'t be depended upon (just ask the Brits).

They aren\'t. They are intermittent sources but the sun rises pretty reliably every day. You do need grid storage to bridge the gaps, and we haven\'t got enough of that yet. We do know that your failing mind can\'t grasp this idea, and there\'s no need for you to remind us that your senile dementia is getting worse.

Intermittent = UNRELIABLE.

So plants can\'t be relied to grow and feed us? Grow up.

HA HA HA HA!!! Hey Bozo, are you FUCKING SERIOUS??? Since when do PLANTS provide any power?????

Neither sunlight or wind is predictable. Just look at the short term variation of both.
But the long term variation - which is what matters - is a lot smaller. You have to scale your storage to match the expected - and largely predictable - variation, but that\'s something you can design for, if you have enough sense to comprehend what\'s going on, which you clearly don\'t. You are far gone in dementia.

Hey Bozo, LONG TERM we are all DEAD!!!!!!! We need resources BEFORE THEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 4:08:49 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 8:44:26 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 1:00:09 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 10:19:34 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 1:38:14 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 4:25:17 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee..org wrote:
On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 9:01:15 PM UTC+10, amdx wrote:
On 9/12/2022 7:28 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 9:44:14 PM UTC+10, amdx wrote:
On 9/11/2022 9:04 PM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 9:50:57 AM UTC+10, amdx wrote:
On 8/26/2022 2:58 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 4:39:44 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 10:09:27 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 2:20:39 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 9:01:47 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 12:57:03 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 5:45:17 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:39:26 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

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If the greenies had persuaded them to over-invest in cheap renewable generation, they wouldn\'t need to charge high volume consumers more for consuming more power, so presumably they haven\'t. In fact it takes time and money to buy and install new generating plant, and while the old fossil-carbon fueled year is still working it makes sense to squeeze it for some last dregs of output, particularly when the sun isn\'t shining and the wind isn\'t blowing. If they hadn\'t invested much - so far - in pumped storage and grid-scale batteries, they wouldn\'t have a lot of choice.

The greenies have been less vocal about pumped storage and grid batteries, which is bit silly, but the argument for that investment is less obvious, and people like Gnatguy can\'t understand it at all.

Hey Bill, \"renewables\" are also known as UNRELIABLES - they can\'t be depended upon (just ask the Brits).

They aren\'t. They are intermittent sources but the sun rises pretty reliably every day. You do need grid storage to bridge the gaps, and we haven\'t got enough of that yet. We do know that your failing mind can\'t grasp this idea, and there\'s no need for you to remind us that your senile dementia is getting worse.

Intermittent = UNRELIABLE.

So plants can\'t be relied to grow and feed us? Grow up.

HA HA HA HA!!! Hey Bozo, are you FUCKING SERIOUS??? Since when do PLANTS provide any power?????

Every time you stand up you do it by expending power derived from eating plants - either directly, when you yourself ate the plants involved - or indirectly when you have eaten animals that were fed by plants. Even the fossil carbon you are so enthusiastic about burning for fuel started off as plants, a very long time ago.

Neither sunlight or wind is predictable. Just look at the short term variation of both.

But the long term variation - which is what matters - is a lot smaller. You have to scale your storage to match the expected - and largely predictable - variation, but that\'s something you can design for, if you have enough sense to comprehend what\'s going on, which you clearly don\'t. You are far gone in dementia.

Hey Bozo, LONG TERM we are all DEAD!!!!!!! We need resources BEFORE THEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The sun comes up every day. We could hope that you would be dead before then, but we are unlikely to be quite that lucky.

Grid storage is aimed at bridging relatively short intervals - from one day to the next - or over a couple of days of bad weather at most. If you had a working brain you\'d adjust your rhetoric to reflect that obvious reality, but instead you recycle a line that may have worked for John Maynard Keynes, but doesn\'t work in this context.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Flyguy]

On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 3:28:14 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:

On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 4:08:49 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 8:44:26 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 1:00:09 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 10:19:34 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 1:38:14 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 4:25:17 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 9:01:15 PM UTC+10, amdx wrote:
On 9/12/2022 7:28 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 9:44:14 PM UTC+10, amdx wrote:
On 9/11/2022 9:04 PM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 9:50:57 AM UTC+10, amdx wrote:
On 8/26/2022 2:58 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 4:39:44 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 10:09:27 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 2:20:39 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 9:01:47 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 12:57:03 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 5:45:17 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:39:26 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

snip
If the greenies had persuaded them to over-invest in cheap renewable generation, they wouldn\'t need to charge high volume consumers more for consuming more power, so presumably they haven\'t. In fact it takes time and money to buy and install new generating plant, and while the old fossil-carbon fueled year is still working it makes sense to squeeze it for some last dregs of output, particularly when the sun isn\'t shining and the wind isn\'t blowing. If they hadn\'t invested much - so far - in pumped storage and grid-scale batteries, they wouldn\'t have a lot of choice.

The greenies have been less vocal about pumped storage and grid batteries, which is bit silly, but the argument for that investment is less obvious, and people like Gnatguy can\'t understand it at all.

Hey Bill, \"renewables\" are also known as UNRELIABLES - they can\'t be depended upon (just ask the Brits).

They aren\'t. They are intermittent sources but the sun rises pretty reliably every day. You do need grid storage to bridge the gaps, and we haven\'t got enough of that yet. We do know that your failing mind can\'t grasp this idea, and there\'s no need for you to remind us that your senile dementia is getting worse.

Intermittent = UNRELIABLE.

So plants can\'t be relied to grow and feed us? Grow up.

HA HA HA HA!!! Hey Bozo, are you FUCKING SERIOUS??? Since when do PLANTS provide any power?????
Every time you stand up you do it by expending power derived from eating plants - either directly, when you yourself ate the plants involved - or indirectly when you have eaten animals that were fed by plants. Even the fossil carbon you are so enthusiastic about burning for fuel started off as plants, a very long time ago.
Neither sunlight or wind is predictable. Just look at the short term variation of both.

But the long term variation - which is what matters - is a lot smaller. You have to scale your storage to match the expected - and largely predictable - variation, but that\'s something you can design for, if you have enough sense to comprehend what\'s going on, which you clearly don\'t. You are far gone in dementia.

Hey Bozo, LONG TERM we are all DEAD!!!!!!! We need resources BEFORE THEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The sun comes up every day. We could hope that you would be dead before then, but we are unlikely to be quite that lucky.

Grid storage is aimed at bridging relatively short intervals - from one day to the next - or over a couple of days of bad weather at most. If you had a working brain you\'d adjust your rhetoric to reflect that obvious reality, but instead you recycle a line that may have worked for John Maynard Keynes, but doesn\'t work in this context.

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Bozo Bill Sloman, Sydney

Hey Bozo, forget about storage for days, they can\'t even store energy for HOURS! Show me ANY utility level battery system that can store energy for days.