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Not only is he trillions of dollars short for a 60% EXPANSION of the grid, the current grid infrastructure is in BAD NEED of maintenance. This is a ticking time bomb for many in the line of (literally) fire (https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-the-deadliest-wildfire-in-california-history-led-to-a-guilty-plea-from-pg-e-11661436002?mod=hp_lead_pos5):

A brilliant flash broke the morning darkness on Nov. 8, 2018, as strong winds pummeled a power line scaling the Sierra Nevada mountains 90 miles north of Sacramento, Calif. A worn hook hanging from a century-old transmission tower owned by PG&E Corp. broke clean, dropping a high-voltage wire that spit electricity just before sunrise. A shower of sparks set dry brush aflame.. PG&E recorded an outage on the line at 6:15 a.m.

The message reached the local fire station at 6:29 a.m. Two engines sped north along a remote road running up a steep river canyon that funnels mountain winds down to the valley below. Within 15 minutes, they arrived on the east bank of the Feather River, opposite the makings of a firestorm. There was no way to get ahead of it. The transmission tower, perched high along a steep, gravelly access route, was almost completely inaccessible by fire engine.

Within an hour, the fire had spread 7 miles to arrive at the outskirts of Paradise, a town nestled in the Sierra foothills. Residents awoke to emergency evacuation orders as softball-sized embers collided with dead trees. The fire was entirely out of control. At its fastest, it engulfed the equivalent of 80 football fields a minute, by some estimates. As the evacuation process began, thick black smoke took on the hellish orange hue of the flames. Escape routes became choke points, lines of cars inching along melting asphalt.

Dozens of people were left behind, unable to escape for reasons that made their gruesome deaths even more tragic. Many were in their 70s and 80s. One man had only just gotten his wheelchair out the front door. Another abandoned his wheelchair and tried to drag himself along the ground. A couple died together in their recliners, holding two dogs and two cats.

The fire overtook the town within hours. At noon, one of PG&E’s first responders, called a troubleman, arrived at the ignition point in a helicopter to hover at the tall steel structure that no one had much noticed for decades.

If you think about the nation’s electricity grid as a network of roads, transmission lines are like highways, built to carry large amounts of power over long distances. The high-voltage wires must be kept away from the towers that support them. If the space between them narrows too much, electricity can jump from wire to tower in what’s known as an arc, a lightning-like bolt hot enough to melt metal and send sparks flying. To reduce that risk, the wires are suspended from strings of insulator discs hooked to the T-shaped arms of their towers.

Peering out of the helicopter, the troubleman saw an insulator string dangling. A hook about the width of a fist had broken nearly in half, dropping the insulator and the wire it held. An arc of electricity surged from the wire as it fell, scorching the tower in a blast of molten steel and aluminum.

Later, inspectors would discover that the hook, which had hung from a hole in a long metal plate, was almost totally smooth at the point of fracture, evidence of a deep groove that had formed over decades. Millimeter by millimeter, the plate had cut into the curve of the hook, which was scarcely an inch in diameter. A jagged edge a few millimeters across showed just where it had broken.

The Camp Fire, named for the road near its place of origin, burned for 17 days, destroying more than 150,000 acres and nearly 19,000 structures, most of them homes. It killed 84 people. PG&E would later plead guilty to involuntary manslaughter charges tied to each of their deaths.

PG&E now says it has committed to change. The company has improved its inspection and operational practices since the fire, and Patti Poppe, chief executive since 2021, has pledged that the company will bury 10,000 miles of power lines to substantially reduce fire risk.

“Under new leadership, PG&E understands we must fully acknowledge our painful past as we look to the future and build a safer company,” the company said. “We are resolved to make it right for wildfire victims and to do everything in our power to make our system safe for our customers.”

This account is based on documents obtained through the Freedom of Information Act and historical records, as well as interviews with Butte County, Calif., prosecutors, their summary of the Camp Fire investigation and PG&E’s response to the summary filed in federal court.

Hours after Paradise had been consumed, a crew from the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection, known as Cal Fire, made its way to the tower where the PG&E helicopter had been hovering earlier that dark afternoon and saw the broken hook.


Patti Poppe, who took over as CEO of PG&E in 2021, has said the company will take various steps to reduce wildfire risk, including burying 10,000 miles of power lines.

The next day, the crew shared its findings with Mike Ramsey, Butte County’s district attorney. Mr. Ramsey, a plain-spoken prosecutor with stern white eyebrows, knew the county better than most anyone. His family had been there in the Sierra foothills for four generations to witness its evolution from a scattering of gold-mining settlements along the Feather River to a bucolic spread of communities home to more than 226,000 people. Mr. Ramsey became district attorney in 1987 and had been re-elected ever since.

Mr. Ramsey told the Cal Fire team that his office wanted to join in their investigation. He told them to treat the transmission tower as a crime scene and to prevent anyone, including PG&E employees, from entering unaccompanied. The next week, Cal Fire supervised as company line workers began dismantling the tower. The investigators seized hooks and hanger plates as evidence.

Mr. Ramsey’s right-hand man was Marc Noel, who had started working for Mr. Ramsey just a few years after he took the top job.

In the weeks after the fire, Messrs. Ramsey and Noel brought in experts from the Federal Bureau of Investigation to assist in analyzing evidence. Mr. Noel took the hook and other parts collected from the suspect tower and showed them to an FBI metallurgist. It was obvious how the hook had failed. The question was whether PG&E could have prevented it from happening. The metallurgist told Mr. Noel his team would need to collect parts from towers in the vicinity. Without a basis for comparison, it would be impossible to tell whether the fire was the result of the company’s negligence or simply a tragic accident.

So Messrs. Noel and Ramsey devised what they called the Exemplar Tower Project, a sweeping search for similar towers along the canyon. Mr. Noel boarded a county helicopter on New Year’s Eve and instructed the pilot to fly low and slow along the transmission line, known as the Caribou-Palermo.. He had learned, by that point, that hooks like the one that broke are supposed to fit snugly in the holes of their hanger plates. As he flew, Mr. Noel noticed something suspicious. The holes looked especially large. It was a sign that the hooks had been hanging for decades, wearing down little by little with every windstorm. Three towers in particular seemed especially similar to the one where the fire had started, with gaps between hook and plate large enough to stick a finger through. Messrs. Ramsey and Noel planned to seize parts of them as evidence.

The blaze was triggered when a hook that was nearly a century old snapped, left. The transmission line that failed, known as the Caribou-Palermo, was built in 1921 by the Great Western Power Co., right.

PG&E launched its own investigation as Messrs. Ramsey and Noel began theirs.. In December, not long after the fire stopped smoldering, workers set out to inspect the Caribou-Palermo in its entirety. They climbed transmission towers perched high on the rocky, forested slopes of the canyon to look closely at the tiny pieces of hardware holding the wires aloft. The diagnosis was devastating. The linemen discovered more than a dozen critical hazards, mostly involving hooks and other connectors that had been in place for decades.

Across the country, transmission lines are among the oldest parts of the grid. Many were constructed in the years after World War II as Americans moved from cities to suburbs, built homes wired with wall sockets, and bought electric appliances. Some transmission lines are even older, developed shortly after the turn of the 20th century to replace gas lamps and candles at a time when electricity was still something of an experiment.


Local prosecutors Marc Noel, left, and Mike Ramsey pursued criminal charges against PG&E after inspecting transmission towers and company records.

The Caribou-Palermo, a 56-mile conduit running along the rugged edge of the mountain canyon, was a relic of that era, so old that it was once considered for the National Register of Historic Places. It had been built around 1921 by a company called Great Western Power Co., which had competed with PG&E until the two companies merged in 1930.

PG&E shut down the Caribou-Palermo in the weeks following the Camp Fire, after the December inspections revealed the extent of its problems. Employees began a frantic search for construction and maintenance records. The Caribou-Palermo files were incomplete. And it wasn’t just that line. The company lacked records on dozens of others.

PG&E soon announced plans for a massive inspection blitz covering every part of its electric system in areas at high risk of wildfire. A decade earlier, those areas had been confined to a few thickets within the forests that blanket much of Northern California. Then a severe drought set in, turning trees into standing firewood vulnerable to the smallest of sparks. The devastation encompassed most of the coastal and mountain regions surrounding the Central Valley, putting more than half of PG&E’s 70,000-square-mile service territory at risk. PG&E had 5,500 miles of transmission lines traversing the riskiest areas. Its distribution network spanned far wider. The company promised to finish the inspections before the early-summer start to California’s wildfire season. That meant completing years’ worth of work in a matter of months. Workers fanned out in the final weeks of 2018.


After a grand jury indicted PG&E on 84 counts of manslaughter, the company agreed to plead guilty.

In June, seven months after the Camp Fire, the company released an apologetic statement. It told the public that the inspections had revealed the need for more than 250,000 repairs across the system. Ten towers supporting a transmission line near the Golden Gate Bridge needed complete replacement. And the Caribou-Palermo, riddled with problems, would never run again.

In the spring of 2019, Messrs. Ramsey and Noel had seen enough transmission towers to conclude that the one where the fire started wasn’t alone in its disrepair. It was time to start collecting parts as evidence. They returned to one of the three towers that had appeared especially run-down during their helicopter flights. But the old hooks and plates were nowhere to be seen. PG&E had replaced them with new parts, even though it had deemed the line too unsafe to operate.

Mr. Noel was infuriated, he recalled in an interview. When it came to PG&E, it didn’t take much to set him off. Any hint of obstruction sent him reaching for another tobacco plug. He dialed up PG&E’s outside attorneys to ask why the company had taken parts from the tower. PG&E was preserving them for use as evidence in other litigation, one of the attorneys replied. If Mr. Noel wanted to take a look, he would have to drive to a warehouse where PG&E had stored them. Mr. Noel demanded return of the evidence.

“Where would you like us to deliver it to you, Marc?” the PG&E attorney asked sarcastically.

“I’d like you to deliver it to the FBI national laboratory in Quantico, Va.,” Mr. Noel replied.

The line fell silent for several seconds. “Are you serious?” the attorney asked.

“Yeah,” Mr. Noel recalled replying. “F—ing serious.”


The fire overtook the town of Paradise within hours, leaving some residents unable to escape the flames.

The company’s attorneys allowed the prosecutors to send for the evidence. Within 48 hours, it was ready to be shipped off to Quantico. At the end of March, Mr. Ramsey empaneled a special grand jury to determine whether PG&E should face criminal charges. It subpoenaed all the records the company possessed on the origin and maintenance of the Caribou-Palermo. PG&E sent over enough digital documents to fill several tractor-trailers. After sifting through millions of documents, the prosecutors could draw but one conclusion: PG&E had almost no records on the age of the hook that failed. The company couldn’t say for sure just how long it had hung there, rocking on its plate in the windy Feather River Canyon.

At Quantico, the FBI analyzed the makeup of the hook. The results revealed that it was nearly as old as PG&E itself. It had been manufactured by the Ohio Brass Co., which started in 1888 as a small foundry forging buggy harnesses and plumbing valves before shifting to hardware for some of the first transmission lines ever built. Historical records indicate that the hook had been purchased for 56 cents in 1919. By the time it finally gave out, it had weathered nearly a century’s worth of wind and precipitation.

The Camp Fire had serious repercussions for the company. The extent of the damage pushed it to seek bankruptcy protection in January 2019, resulting in one of the most complex restructurings the utility industry had ever seen.. The process drained the company of cash and saddled it with debt, compromising its ability to compensate fire victims and secure an investment-grade credit rating at a time when it needed to spend billions of dollars on system safety. The company soon recognized the need for closer inspections of its power lines, more technology to track weather conditions and, ultimately, burial of many high-risk circuits.

“Today, we are writing a new story,” PG&E said. “We want our employees to feel proud to work for this company. We want our customers to believe they can count on us to provide safe, reliable energy that powers their homes and businesses. And we want to collaborate with everyone who has a stake in our shared energy future in California.”

A few months before the company exited bankruptcy, the grand jury concluded that PG&E was well aware that its negligence had created a serious fire risk in the Feather River Canyon but did almost nothing to mitigate it. On March 17, 2020, the grand jury indicted PG&E on 84 counts of involuntary manslaughter. The company agreed to plead guilty.

From “California Burning: The Fall of Pacific Gas and Electric—and What It Means for America’s Power Grid” by The Wall Street Journal’s Katherine Blunt, to be published on Aug. 30 by Portfolio, an imprint of Penguin Publishing Group, a division of Penguin Random House LLC. Copyright © 2022 by Katherine Blunt.
 
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:39:26 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> Not only is he trillions of dollars short for a 60% EXPANSION of the grid, the current grid infrastructure is in BAD NEED of maintenance. This is a ticking time bomb for many in the line of (literally) fire (https://www.wsj..com/articles/how-the-deadliest-wildfire-in-california-history-led-to-a-guilty-plea-from-pg-e-11661436002?mod=hp_lead_pos5):

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Gnatguy, being an idiot, wants to concentrate on the fact that a failure in the high-voltage transmission system led to wildfire in California. He ignores the fact that California was in the grip of an exceptional drought at the time - almost certainly a side effect of anthropogenic global warming - which made the wildfire a whole lot more damaging than it would otherwise have been.

Most wild-fires are started by lightning strikes (which can damage transmission lines) and perfect transmission line maintenance isn\'t going to stop lightning strikes from happening (or taking down transmission lines).

But Gnatguy has an anti-Democrat political point to make, and he isn\'t going to let reality get in his way.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 5:45:17 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:39:26 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
Not only is he trillions of dollars short for a 60% EXPANSION of the grid, the current grid infrastructure is in BAD NEED of maintenance. This is a ticking time bomb for many in the line of (literally) fire (https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-the-deadliest-wildfire-in-california-history-led-to-a-guilty-plea-from-pg-e-11661436002?mod=hp_lead_pos5):
snip

Gnatguy, being an idiot, wants to concentrate on the fact that a failure in the high-voltage transmission system led to wildfire in California. He ignores the fact that California was in the grip of an exceptional drought at the time - almost certainly a side effect of anthropogenic global warming - which made the wildfire a whole lot more damaging than it would otherwise have been.

Most wild-fires are started by lightning strikes (which can damage transmission lines) and perfect transmission line maintenance isn\'t going to stop lightning strikes from happening (or taking down transmission lines).

But Gnatguy has an anti-Democrat political point to make, and he isn\'t going to let reality get in his way.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

LOL! Unlike Bozo Bill, I am focused on the problems with Lyin\' Biden\'s completely fucked up plan to expand an already ageing electrical grid. Actually, the senile pervert has NO PLAN WHATSOEVER, as demonstrated by Bozo Bill\'s complete failure at producing it.
 
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 12:57:03 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 5:45:17 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:39:26 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
Not only is he trillions of dollars short for a 60% EXPANSION of the grid, the current grid infrastructure is in BAD NEED of maintenance. This is a ticking time bomb for many in the line of (literally) fire (https://www..wsj.com/articles/how-the-deadliest-wildfire-in-california-history-led-to-a-guilty-plea-from-pg-e-11661436002?mod=hp_lead_pos5):
snip

Gnatguy, being an idiot, wants to concentrate on the fact that a failure in the high-voltage transmission system led to wildfire in California. He ignores the fact that California was in the grip of an exceptional drought at the time - almost certainly a side effect of anthropogenic global warming - which made the wildfire a whole lot more damaging than it would otherwise have been.

Most wild-fires are started by lightning strikes (which can damage transmission lines) and perfect transmission line maintenance isn\'t going to stop lightning strikes from happening (or taking down transmission lines).

But Gnatguy has an anti-Democrat political point to make, and he isn\'t going to let reality get in his way.

LOL! Unlike Bill, I am focused on the problems with Joe Biden\'s completely fucked up plan to expand an already ageing electrical grid.

Gnatguy is actually obsessed with any issue he imagines can be misrepresented as showing the Biden administration in a bad light. Because Gnatguy is demented half-wit, his choices aren\'t all that inspired.

He doesn\'t seem to have noticed that an ageing America electrical grid expanded from distributing 334 terawatt hours in 1950 to 3802 in 2000.

That about 5% per year. A 60% expansion over six year is about 8% per year - bigger, but nothing astonishing.

> Actually, the Joe Biden has NO PLAN WHATSOEVER, as demonstrated by Bill\'s complete failure at producing it.

What Gnatguy actually means is that he refuses to recognise Joe Biden plan as one that meets his demented expectations - as if anything proposed by a Democrat could ever meet his approval. The extravagant language is merely aimed at covering up the total lack of content.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 9:01:47 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 12:57:03 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 5:45:17 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:39:26 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
Not only is he trillions of dollars short for a 60% EXPANSION of the grid, the current grid infrastructure is in BAD NEED of maintenance. This is a ticking time bomb for many in the line of (literally) fire (https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-the-deadliest-wildfire-in-california-history-led-to-a-guilty-plea-from-pg-e-11661436002?mod=hp_lead_pos5):
snip

Gnatguy, being an idiot, wants to concentrate on the fact that a failure in the high-voltage transmission system led to wildfire in California. He ignores the fact that California was in the grip of an exceptional drought at the time - almost certainly a side effect of anthropogenic global warming - which made the wildfire a whole lot more damaging than it would otherwise have been.

Most wild-fires are started by lightning strikes (which can damage transmission lines) and perfect transmission line maintenance isn\'t going to stop lightning strikes from happening (or taking down transmission lines).

But Gnatguy has an anti-Democrat political point to make, and he isn\'t going to let reality get in his way.

LOL! Unlike Bill, I am focused on the problems with Joe Biden\'s completely fucked up plan to expand an already ageing electrical grid.

Gnatguy is actually obsessed with any issue he imagines can be misrepresented as showing the Biden administration in a bad light. Because Gnatguy is demented half-wit, his choices aren\'t all that inspired.

He doesn\'t seem to have noticed that an ageing America electrical grid expanded from distributing 334 terawatt hours in 1950 to 3802 in 2000.

That about 5% per year. A 60% expansion over six year is about 8% per year - bigger, but nothing astonishing.

Actually, the Joe Biden has NO PLAN WHATSOEVER, as demonstrated by Bill\'s complete failure at producing it.

What Gnatguy actually means is that he refuses to recognise Joe Biden plan as one that meets his demented expectations - as if anything proposed by a Democrat could ever meet his approval. The extravagant language is merely aimed at covering up the total lack of content.

--
Bozo Bill Sloman, Sydney

Well, Bozo Bill has just lost the debate: he is now resorting to the childish invective normally associated with Decayed Brain Matter. And, NO, the senile pervert Lyin\' Biden has NO PLAN WHATSOEVER to achieve a 60% expansion of the electrical grid. $20B is just a DEMONSTRATION of what is required, you idiot; TRILLIONS are required to accomplish the installation of over FOUR HUNDRED THOUSAND MILES of transmission lines in SEVEN YEARS, let alone the GENERATION CAPACITY required. Remember, that is ONE HUNDRED SIXTY-FOUR MILES PER DAY of transmission lines.
 
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 2:20:39 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 9:01:47 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 12:57:03 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 5:45:17 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:39:26 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
Not only is he trillions of dollars short for a 60% EXPANSION of the grid, the current grid infrastructure is in BAD NEED of maintenance. This is a ticking time bomb for many in the line of (literally) fire (https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-the-deadliest-wildfire-in-california-history-led-to-a-guilty-plea-from-pg-e-11661436002?mod=hp_lead_pos5):
snip

Gnatguy, being an idiot, wants to concentrate on the fact that a failure in the high-voltage transmission system led to wildfire in California.. He ignores the fact that California was in the grip of an exceptional drought at the time - almost certainly a side effect of anthropogenic global warming - which made the wildfire a whole lot more damaging than it would otherwise have been.

Most wild-fires are started by lightning strikes (which can damage transmission lines) and perfect transmission line maintenance isn\'t going to stop lightning strikes from happening (or taking down transmission lines)..

But Gnatguy has an anti-Democrat political point to make, and he isn\'t going to let reality get in his way.

LOL! Unlike Bill, I am focused on the problems with Joe Biden\'s completely fucked up plan to expand an already ageing electrical grid.

Gnatguy is actually obsessed with any issue he imagines can be misrepresented as showing the Biden administration in a bad light. Because Gnatguy is demented half-wit, his choices aren\'t all that inspired.

He doesn\'t seem to have noticed that an ageing America electrical grid expanded from distributing 334 terawatt hours in 1950 to 3802 in 2000.

That about 5% per year. A 60% expansion over six year is about 8% per year - bigger, but nothing astonishing.

Actually, the Joe Biden has NO PLAN WHATSOEVER, as demonstrated by Bill\'s complete failure at producing it.

What Gnatguy actually means is that he refuses to recognise Joe Biden plan as one that meets his demented expectations - as if anything proposed by a Democrat could ever meet his approval. The extravagant language is merely aimed at covering up the total lack of content.

Well, Bill has just lost the debate: he is now resorting to the childish invective normally associated with Decayed Brain Matter.

There\'s nothing childish about pointing out that you are in end-stage senile dementia. If you weren\'t so far gone you\'d notice it yourself.
Decadent Linux User Numero Uno has also noticed. Calling him names won\'t make you look any less senile

> And, NO, Joe Biden has NO PLAN WHATSOEVER to achieve a 60% expansion of the electrical grid.

Gnatguy deep in denial, as usual.

> $20B is just a DEMONSTRATION of what is required, you idiot; TRILLIONS are required to accomplish the installation of over FOUR HUNDRED THOUSAND MILES of transmission lines in SEVEN YEARS, let alone the GENERATION CAPACITY required.

We were taking about the transmission grid, not the generating system, which private enterprise can be expected to deal with.

> Remember, that is ONE HUNDRED SIXTY-FOUR MILES PER DAY of transmission lines.

Why should I be expected to remember bogus statistic dredged from your failing memory? Find a link to something more reliable.

I\'m perfectly happy to accept that you are in some kind of hysterical panic, but I don\'t see any need to take you seriously.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 10:09:27 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 2:20:39 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 9:01:47 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 12:57:03 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 5:45:17 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:39:26 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
Not only is he trillions of dollars short for a 60% EXPANSION of the grid, the current grid infrastructure is in BAD NEED of maintenance. This is a ticking time bomb for many in the line of (literally) fire (https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-the-deadliest-wildfire-in-california-history-led-to-a-guilty-plea-from-pg-e-11661436002?mod=hp_lead_pos5):
snip

Gnatguy, being an idiot, wants to concentrate on the fact that a failure in the high-voltage transmission system led to wildfire in California. He ignores the fact that California was in the grip of an exceptional drought at the time - almost certainly a side effect of anthropogenic global warming - which made the wildfire a whole lot more damaging than it would otherwise have been.

Most wild-fires are started by lightning strikes (which can damage transmission lines) and perfect transmission line maintenance isn\'t going to stop lightning strikes from happening (or taking down transmission lines).

But Gnatguy has an anti-Democrat political point to make, and he isn\'t going to let reality get in his way.

LOL! Unlike Bill, I am focused on the problems with Joe Biden\'s completely fucked up plan to expand an already ageing electrical grid.

Gnatguy is actually obsessed with any issue he imagines can be misrepresented as showing the Biden administration in a bad light. Because Gnatguy is demented half-wit, his choices aren\'t all that inspired.

He doesn\'t seem to have noticed that an ageing America electrical grid expanded from distributing 334 terawatt hours in 1950 to 3802 in 2000.

That about 5% per year. A 60% expansion over six year is about 8% per year - bigger, but nothing astonishing.

Actually, the Joe Biden has NO PLAN WHATSOEVER, as demonstrated by Bill\'s complete failure at producing it.

What Gnatguy actually means is that he refuses to recognise Joe Biden plan as one that meets his demented expectations - as if anything proposed by a Democrat could ever meet his approval. The extravagant language is merely aimed at covering up the total lack of content.

Well, Bill has just lost the debate: he is now resorting to the childish invective normally associated with Decayed Brain Matter.

There\'s nothing childish about pointing out that you are in end-stage senile dementia. If you weren\'t so far gone you\'d notice it yourself.
Decadent Linux User Numero Uno has also noticed. Calling him names won\'t make you look any less senile

Well, at least you know whom I am talking about! Decayed Brain Matter is truly drudging the bottom of the shit gutter. Tell me, WHO is calling names here? Have you read her posts???

And, NO, Joe Biden has NO PLAN WHATSOEVER to achieve a 60% expansion of the electrical grid.

Gnatguy deep in denial, as usual.

And YOU can\'t produce a PLAN that you claim exists, so WHO is in DENIAL???

$20B is just a DEMONSTRATION of what is required, you idiot; TRILLIONS are required to accomplish the installation of over FOUR HUNDRED THOUSAND MILES of transmission lines in SEVEN YEARS, let alone the GENERATION CAPACITY required.
We were taking about the transmission grid, not the generating system, which private enterprise can be expected to deal with.

HA HA HA HA! What good is it to expand the grid WITHOUT ADDITIONAL GENERATION CAPACITY???? Your foolishness is only exceeded by your IGNORANCE!!!!!!!

Remember, that is ONE HUNDRED SIXTY-FOUR MILES PER DAY of transmission lines.
Why should I be expected to remember bogus statistic dredged from your failing memory? Find a link to something more reliable.

I don\'t expect your demented mind to REMEMBER ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!

I\'m perfectly happy to accept that you are in some kind of hysterical panic, but I don\'t see any need to take you seriously.

You are perfectly happy to DELUDE YOURSELF with your provably wrong LIBTARD FANTASIES. You can\'t produce a plan you say exists, statistics you say exist and want to FIREBOMB AND NUKE YOUR OWN COUNTRY! You should be committed.
 
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 4:39:44 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 10:09:27 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 2:20:39 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 9:01:47 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 12:57:03 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 5:45:17 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:39:26 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

<snip>

Why should I be expected to remember bogus statistic dredged from your failing memory? Find a link to something more reliable.

I don\'t expect your demented mind to REMEMBER ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!

Of course you don\'t. You are totally out of touch with reality.

I\'m perfectly happy to accept that you are in some kind of hysterical panic, but I don\'t see any need to take you seriously.

You are perfectly happy to DELUDE YOURSELF with your provably wrong LIBTARD FANTASIES.

Gnatguy imagines that he can prove something. He can demonstrate that he looks exactly like a demented idiot, but that\'s the limit of his capabilities.

> You can\'t produce a plan you say exists <snip>

I did, but you claim that it isn\'t a plan. Much easier than explaining why you think that is inadequate (which it isn\'t).

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Friday, 26 August 2022 at 02:45:17 UTC+2, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
idiot ieee.org
wrote

--almost certainly a side effect of anthropogenic global warming

idiot floods the internet with his delusional day dreaming ideas and fake

go away idiot
go away
 
GnatTurd <maggot2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote in news:ea54d861-6088-47dc-
8806-504c9aed699cn@googlegroups.com:

> the current grid infrastructure is in BAD NEED of maintenance.

The \'current grid\' is a state by state assemblage, dipshit.

Many of the contracts that put in the lines they have had maintenance
elements included. Most are spent. The nation has done things this way
for endless decades on infrastructure elements. Where the fuck were
you, under a rock? Some are further along than others. Michigan is
doing a fine job and even an inexperienced new hire from out of high
school fires off $125k a year positions.

You are just too fucking stupid to live in reality, TrumpChump.
Fucking retarded ReThugLeTard.

Many ARE upgrading their old high tension gear. Substations and
local distribution comes last.

You TrumpTarded dumbfucks could not get more shit more wrong if you
fucking tried.
 
Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
news:a6973b12-db14-4cf6-b73a-ce76f3355749n@googlegroups.com:

Gnatguy, being an idiot, wants to concentrate on the fact that a
failure in the high-voltage transmission system led to wildfire in
California. He ignores the fact that California was in the grip of
an exceptional drought at the time

They do have the leakiest HV grid segment as well. Leaks cost the end
user. Leaks do not cause fires. Most towers have cleared grounds
below. There must have been a catastrophic failure which cast sparks
or molten metal farther than usual into the brush. Could also have
been lightning induced.
 
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 8:24:20 AM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
GnatTurd <maggot...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:ea54d861-6088-47dc-
8806-504c...@googlegroups.com:
the current grid infrastructure is in BAD NEED of maintenance.
The \'current grid\' is a state by state assemblage, dipshit.

Many of the contracts that put in the lines they have had maintenance
elements included. Most are spent. The nation has done things this way
for endless decades on infrastructure elements. Where the fuck were
you, under a rock? Some are further along than others. Michigan is
doing a fine job and even an inexperienced new hire from out of high
school fires off $125k a year positions.

You are just too fucking stupid to live in reality, TrumpChump.
Fucking retarded ReThugLeTard.

Many ARE upgrading their old high tension gear. Substations and
local distribution comes last.

You TrumpTarded dumbfucks could not get more shit more wrong if you
fucking tried.

Well, you miserably uninformed rat turd, if you had followed my past posts you would know what agencies are responsible for which grids. This article shows the HORRIBLE lack of maintenance by JUST ONE operator, PG&E. The fact is that the existing grid, consisting of 700,000 miles of transmission lines, is VERY OLD and in desperate need of replacement. This is OVER and ABOVE the cost of expanding the grid by SIXTY PERCENT. Some of the maintenance has been budgeted for, but HOW MUCH? You SURE AS HELL DON\'T KNOW. In PG&E\'s case, they weren\'t even inspecting the lines to see if they even needed maintenance.
 
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 12:58:23 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 4:39:44 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 10:09:27 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 2:20:39 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 9:01:47 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 12:57:03 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 5:45:17 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:39:26 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
snip
Why should I be expected to remember bogus statistic dredged from your failing memory? Find a link to something more reliable.

I don\'t expect your demented mind to REMEMBER ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!
Of course you don\'t. You are totally out of touch with reality.
I\'m perfectly happy to accept that you are in some kind of hysterical panic, but I don\'t see any need to take you seriously.

You are perfectly happy to DELUDE YOURSELF with your provably wrong LIBTARD FANTASIES.
Gnatguy imagines that he can prove something. He can demonstrate that he looks exactly like a demented idiot, but that\'s the limit of his capabilities.

You can\'t produce a plan you say exists <snip

I did, but you claim that it isn\'t a plan. Much easier than explaining why you think that is inadequate (which it isn\'t).

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

Hey Bozo, I am STILL waiting for you to produce that senile pervert Lyin\' Biden\'s plan to achieve a 100% clean energy grid by 2035, and you haven\'t done it. And you CAN\'T because it DOESN\'T EXIST!
 
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 10:31:57 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 8:44:42 AM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
GnatTurd <maggot...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:aa9484b4-4967-467a...@googlegroups.com:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 5:45:17 PM UTC-7,
bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:39:26 AM UTC+10, GnatTurd wrote:

<snip>

Esssentially, you little punk fuck of a gnat turd, you could not
understand bigger picture elements of a nation if your pathetic
little gnat turd ass depended on it.

Well, you\'re right on one count: things DO take time. And at the rate that senile Joe Biden is going transitioning to a 100% clean energy grid will take CENTURIES, not the 13 years he has mandated.

So you have found Joe Biden\'s plan, which you persistently claim doesn\'t exist. You don\'t like it, and think that it won\'t work, but that\'s because he\'s a Democrat.
It\'s not as if you have a clue what is involved.

It\'s actually much the same sort of expansion that the US electricity generation and transmission system went through from 1950 to 2000 - after which it stopped growing for a bit - without any particular fuss. The fact that you are choosing to have panic attacks about it now reflects the fact that you have to find something nasty to say about the Democrat administration and are silly enough to pick this subject, which reminds people how the Republicans more or less created ENRON and it\'s crimes.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 10:45:03 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 12:58:23 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 4:39:44 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 10:09:27 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 2:20:39 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 9:01:47 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 12:57:03 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 5:45:17 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:39:26 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

<snip>

You can\'t produce a plan you say exists <snip

I did, but you claim that it isn\'t a plan. Much easier than explaining why you think that is inadequate (which it isn\'t).

Hey Bozo, I am STILL waiting for you to produce JoeBiden\'s plan to achieve a 100% clean energy grid by 2035, and you haven\'t done it. And you CAN\'T because it DOESN\'T EXIST!

You keep on telling us what Joe Biden plans to do, so you clearly do have access to his plan.

When I find links to things that look like a plan to me

https://www.energy.gov/oe/activities/technology-development/grid-modernization-and-smart-grid

you tell me that it doesn\'t meet your stringent restrictions on the kind of scheme that you are willing to call a plan, which means that you can keep on claiming that the administration hasn\'t got a plan, even though they seem to think they do. You do seem to be suffering from senile dementia, so you may not see the problem in that.

Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
GnatTurd <maggot2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:84938a1a-1ca7-4857-bbba-4ec057255058n@googlegroups.com:

Well, you\'re right on one count: things DO take time. And at the
rate that senile pervert Lyin\' Biden is going transitioning to a
100% clean energy grid will take CENTURIES, not the 13 years he
has mandated.

You\'re a goddamned total retard, self induced.
 
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 7:32:14 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 10:31:57 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 8:44:42 AM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
GnatTurd <maggot...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:aa9484b4-4967-467a...@googlegroups.com:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 5:45:17 PM UTC-7,
bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:39:26 AM UTC+10, GnatTurd wrote:
snip
Esssentially, you little punk fuck of a gnat turd, you could not
understand bigger picture elements of a nation if your pathetic
little gnat turd ass depended on it.

Well, you\'re right on one count: things DO take time. And at the rate that senile Joe Biden is going transitioning to a 100% clean energy grid will take CENTURIES, not the 13 years he has mandated.

So you have found Joe Biden\'s plan, which you persistently claim doesn\'t exist. You don\'t like it, and think that it won\'t work, but that\'s because he\'s a Democrat.
It\'s not as if you have a clue what is involved.

It\'s actually much the same sort of expansion that the US electricity generation and transmission system went through from 1950 to 2000 - after which it stopped growing for a bit - without any particular fuss. The fact that you are choosing to have panic attacks about it now reflects the fact that you have to find something nasty to say about the Democrat administration and are silly enough to pick this subject, which reminds people how the Republicans more or less created ENRON and it\'s crimes.

--
Bozo Bill Sloman, Sydney

Hey Bozo, you CAN\'T dislike something that DOESN\'T EXIST, which accurately describes that senile pervert Lyin\' Biden\'s non-plan to expand the energy grid. You HAVEN\'T been able to find it because the idiot hasn\'t bothered to ask Congress to authorize it. If he had a bill would have been passed into law which you can cite. But you can\'t because it DOESN\'T EXIST! This is the process REGARDLESS of party, Bozo.
 
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 12:26:12 PM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
GnatTurd <maggot...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:84938a1a-1ca7-4857...@googlegroups.com:
Well, you\'re right on one count: things DO take time. And at the
rate that senile pervert Lyin\' Biden is going transitioning to a
100% clean energy grid will take CENTURIES, not the 13 years he
has mandated.
You\'re a goddamned total retard, self induced.

Decayed Brain Matter AGAIN shows her total lack of intellect.
 
On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 11:08:30 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 7:32:14 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 10:31:57 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 8:44:42 AM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
GnatTurd <maggot...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:aa9484b4-4967-467a...@googlegroups.com:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 5:45:17 PM UTC-7,
bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:39:26 AM UTC+10, GnatTurd wrote:
snip
Esssentially, you little punk fuck of a gnat turd, you could not
understand bigger picture elements of a nation if your pathetic
little gnat turd ass depended on it.

Well, you\'re right on one count: things DO take time. And at the rate that senile Joe Biden is going transitioning to a 100% clean energy grid will take CENTURIES, not the 13 years he has mandated.

So you have found Joe Biden\'s plan, which you persistently claim doesn\'t exist. You don\'t like it, and think that it won\'t work, but that\'s because he\'s a Democrat.
It\'s not as if you have a clue what is involved.

It\'s actually much the same sort of expansion that the US electricity generation and transmission system went through from 1950 to 2000 - after which it stopped growing for a bit - without any particular fuss. The fact that you are choosing to have panic attacks about it now reflects the fact that you have to find something nasty to say about the Democrat administration and are silly enough to pick this subject, which reminds people how the Republicans more or less created ENRON and it\'s crimes.

Hey, you CAN\'T dislike something that DOESN\'T EXIST, which accurately describes Joe Biden\'s non-plan to expand the energy grid.

It doesn\'t. Gnatguy couldn\'t do \"accurate\" if his life depended on it.

>You HAVEN\'T been able to find it because the idiot hasn\'t bothered to ask Congress to authorize it.

I\'ve posted links to it here. You won\'t recognise it as plan, because if you did you\'d have to understand it well enough to be able to criticise it, so you take the easier path of denying that it is a plan,

> If he had a bill would have been passed into law which you can cite.

Not necessarily. The president can do a lot through executive orders, and in the US free enterprise is supposed to always be on the look out for opportunities to make money out of providing services that people need now or will need quite soon. A plan to wake them up to the possibilities wouldn\'t need to go through Congress.

>But you can\'t because it DOESN\'T EXIST! This is the process REGARDLESS of party.

Gnatguy doesn\'t understand much, and what he can\'t understand doesn\'t exist - at least for him.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 11:09:10 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 12:26:12 PM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
GnatTurd <maggot...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:84938a1a-1ca7-4857...@googlegroups.com:
Well, you\'re right on one count: things DO take time. And at the
rate that senile pervert Lyin\' Biden is going transitioning to a
100% clean energy grid will take CENTURIES, not the 13 years he
has mandated.
You\'re a goddamned total retard, self induced.

Decadent Linux User Numero AGAIN shows his total lack of intellect.

At least to Gnatguy\'s complete satisfaction. Gnatguy doesn\'t like intelligent criticism , and doesn\'t know how to handle it. Moronic abuse doesn\'t actually work, but that is the only tool Gnatguy has at his disposal, so that\'s what he is stuck with.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 

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