More evidence that China is lying BIG TIME about the extent

[Bill Sloman]

On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 5:24:30 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:

On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 7:17:00 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 7:52:50 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 11:21:59 AM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 10:15:50 AM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
The Chicomm lovers of the world (i.e. Sloman) will have to come to grip with the fact that China is totally lying about...


Nonsense. The central authority in China has apparently been open and honest (though
a population of 1.4 billion means some individuals might not be).

"Totally lying" is so broad, it cannot be true. It cannot even be false. It's meaningless.

What does the 'Sloman' reference add? Are you just trying to push some parsonality
buttons? Again? Tiresome little provocateur!

LOL! "Open and honest?" Are you FUCKING JOKING??? They have been ANYTHING BUT! Chicomms instinct is to lie first, apologize later. More evidence of their lies:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/11/coronavirus-wuhan-doctor-ai-fen-speaks-out-against-authorities

They kept on saying that there was no evidence of human-to-human transfer for THREE WEEKS after they knew otherwise! This, BY IT SELF, makes China responsible for the world-wide epidemic.

The Guardian article makes it clear that the unwillingess to face the reality of the problem was an initial - local - reaction in December and early January.

At that point the central government got interested and got their act in order.

China certainly allowed a lot of infected people to fly to foreign countries, but that was before they had a clear idea of what was going on.

Flyguy is deeply into China bashing, but only superficially interested in what he is bashing them about. He'll post half-baked story serves his purpose

No, China is BASHING THE WORLD! They LIED about COVID for WEEKS!! What is half-baked is your reply.

You don't like it, but it isn't remotely as half-baked as your enthusiasm for concentrating on a short period of low level administrative idiocy in December and early January while ignoring the rather more constructive attitude that emerged when China got a proper grasp of what was going on.

It really is mindless China bashing, but you lack the wit to appreciate quite how blatantly one-sided your propaganda is.

You are getting yourself kill-filed - in the sense that nobody is going to bother reading what you have to say because it hasn't got any useful connection with reality.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Flyguy]

On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 1:15:50 AM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:

On 3/31/2020 2:21 AM, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 7:00:42 PM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:
On 3/30/2020 9:19 PM, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 3:26:05 PM UTC-7, Uwe Bonnes wrote:
The Chicomm lovers of the world (i.e. Sloman) will have to come to
grip with the fact that China is totally lying about what is happening
in the country. I reported earlier that there has been an
unprecedented number of cell phone disconnects in China (21
million). Now, funeral homes in Wuhan have markedly increased their
orders of urns:

https://www.newsweek.com/wuhan-covid-19-death-toll-may-tens-thousands-data-cremations-shipments-urns-suggest-1494914

And this is just Wuhan - millions left the city after the lockdown
was announced. No doubt that many of these have spread the disease to
other parts of the country. China is likely looking a millions of
deaths to COVID before this is over.

Wuhan has about 10 Millions of inhabitants. You can expect more than 10000 to
die each month. If the town was in total lockdown for more than 2
month, there are about 25000 urns that await some final rest even w/o
any additional Covid-19 victims.


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You need to re-read the article: the demand for urns is UP year-over-year by, at least, 26,000. Where did all of these extra dead people come from? Use your brain!


Where does it say that in the article? The number "26,000" is mentioned
in two places:

"Some Wuhan residents estimate that the coronavirus death toll could be
26,000..."

"...they estimate that the urns show that the coronavirus outbreak could
have resulted in approximately 26,000 deaths."

Could have, some believe...some believe there may yet be brothers of
man... who even now fight to survive - somewhere beyond the heavens

There are several on the same subject and this one specifically cited 26,000:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/wuhan-covid-19-deaths-may-be-in-tens-of-thousands-data-on-cremations-show/ar-BB11T0Vb


I wouldn't expect the number of deaths per year to linearly track
population growth even just in regular times; if the growth rate is
slowing (the second derivative is negative) then each year older people
are a larger proportion of the population than the year previous and the
per-person chance is definitely not equally distributed by age.

AFAIK China's second derivative is negative many places, they worked at
that for decades until 2015 with the one-child policy. Like many first
and second world countries e.g. Japan they have an aging-population
"problem", now.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/270165/death-rate-in-china/

"In 2018, the mortality rate in China increased to 7.13 deaths per 1,000
inhabitants. The mortality rate presented a slowly growing trend over
the past twenty years. The growing mortality rate can be attributed to
the slower growth of the whole population." 7.09, 7.11, 7.13, and in
2019 says here it was 7.3 per thousand.

The above-linear increase in deaths year-over-year among an aging
population could be just the result that it was a Communist team effort
for the better part of 40 years to get that. go team?

Historical data is of not much use in a chaotic event like COVID-19, which is a true game changer. Just look at the 1918 Flu, which killed more people than WWI itself (but was promulgated by the war). On top of that, the Chicomm data is completely unreliable, at least for the current crisis. Chaotic events just don't lend themselves to analysis by differential equations which, by their very nature, assume a linear system.

 

[Flyguy]

On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 1:44:18 AM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 5:24:30 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 7:17:00 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 7:52:50 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 11:21:59 AM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 10:15:50 AM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
The Chicomm lovers of the world (i.e. Sloman) will have to come to grip with the fact that China is totally lying about...


Nonsense. The central authority in China has apparently been open and honest (though
a population of 1.4 billion means some individuals might not be).

"Totally lying" is so broad, it cannot be true. It cannot even be false. It's meaningless.

What does the 'Sloman' reference add? Are you just trying to push some parsonality
buttons? Again? Tiresome little provocateur!

LOL! "Open and honest?" Are you FUCKING JOKING??? They have been ANYTHING BUT! Chicomms instinct is to lie first, apologize later. More evidence of their lies:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/11/coronavirus-wuhan-doctor-ai-fen-speaks-out-against-authorities

They kept on saying that there was no evidence of human-to-human transfer for THREE WEEKS after they knew otherwise! This, BY IT SELF, makes China responsible for the world-wide epidemic.

The Guardian article makes it clear that the unwillingess to face the reality of the problem was an initial - local - reaction in December and early January.

At that point the central government got interested and got their act in order.

China certainly allowed a lot of infected people to fly to foreign countries, but that was before they had a clear idea of what was going on.

Flyguy is deeply into China bashing, but only superficially interested in what he is bashing them about. He'll post half-baked story serves his purpose

No, China is BASHING THE WORLD! They LIED about COVID for WEEKS!! What is half-baked is your reply.

You don't like it, but it isn't remotely as half-baked as your enthusiasm for concentrating on a short period of low level administrative idiocy in December and early January while ignoring the rather more constructive attitude that emerged when China got a proper grasp of what was going on.

It really is mindless China bashing, but you lack the wit to appreciate quite how blatantly one-sided your propaganda is.

You are getting yourself kill-filed - in the sense that nobody is going to bother reading what you have to say because it hasn't got any useful connection with reality.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

LOL! Your VERY RESPONSE indicates that I am not being "kill filed," if that is even possible on Google Groups.

If telling the truth about the Chicomm is "China bashing" then so be it, just as you are a China lover because of OZ's dependence on China (just like the NBA). But it is hardly "mindless" - I back everything up with facts, unlike you.

Who knows from what level the orders in China are coming from? Certainly not you or I, and the Chicomm would be the LAST to say.

 

[whit3rd]

On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 10:27:21 AM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

> Historical data is of not much use in a chaotic event like COVID-19,

OK, I can see that historic plagues didn't usually have such a rich set
of megalopoli connected by swift aitravel, but we can use computers to set
up effective models. Why does 'chaotic' apply, though?

>... which is a true game changer. Just look at the 1918 Flu...

Huh? You say historic data isn't useful, and ask us to delve into it anyhow? Admit
it, this is a posting from a travesty generator.

 

[Rick C]

On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 8:59:20 PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:

On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 10:27:21 AM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

Historical data is of not much use in a chaotic event like COVID-19,

OK, I can see that historic plagues didn't usually have such a rich set
of megalopoli connected by swift aitravel, but we can use computers to set
up effective models. Why does 'chaotic' apply, though?

Chaotic means a small change in initial conditions can have a very large effect not too far down the road. I think that applies to spread of a virus. If you don't know the details of the spreading, like how the infection reached a nursing home in Washington state, then you won't be able to predict the spreading from that event. Same with many of the early growth. It's only later that it gets into states where the outcome is more predictable.

--

Rick C.

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[Bill Sloman]

On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 4:27:21 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:

On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 1:15:50 AM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:
On 3/31/2020 2:21 AM, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 7:00:42 PM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:
On 3/30/2020 9:19 PM, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 3:26:05 PM UTC-7, Uwe Bonnes wrote:

<snip>

The above-linear increase in deaths year-over-year among an aging
population could be just the result that it was a Communist team effort
for the better part of 40 years to get that. go team?

Historical data is of not much use in a chaotic event like COVID-19, which is a true game changer.

Twaddle.It's just one more infectious disease.

>Just look at the 1918 Flu, which killed more people than WWI itself (but was promulgated by the war). On top of that, the Chicomm data is completely unreliable, at least for the current crisis. Chaotic events just don't lend themselves to analysis by differential equations which, by their very nature, assume a linear system.

You've got to have a non-linear system to have chaos.

Differential equations work fine for non-linear systems. They do assume piecewise linearity - which is what "finite, continuous and differentiable" is all about, but there's a huge universe of non-linear problems for which they do work.

Spice handles the exponential response of a transistor to changes in base-emitter voltage perfectly satisfactorily.

I've been aware that Flyguy is intellectually challenged for some time now, but this bit of evidence is more conclusive than usual.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 4:32:49 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:

On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 1:44:18 AM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 5:24:30 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 7:17:00 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 7:52:50 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 11:21:59 AM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 10:15:50 AM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
The Chicomm lovers of the world (i.e. Sloman) will have to come to grip with the fact that China is totally lying about...


Nonsense. The central authority in China has apparently been open and honest (though
a population of 1.4 billion means some individuals might not be).

"Totally lying" is so broad, it cannot be true. It cannot even be false. It's meaningless.

What does the 'Sloman' reference add? Are you just trying to push some parsonality
buttons? Again? Tiresome little provocateur!

LOL! "Open and honest?" Are you FUCKING JOKING??? They have been ANYTHING BUT! Chicomms instinct is to lie first, apologize later. More evidence of their lies:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/11/coronavirus-wuhan-doctor-ai-fen-speaks-out-against-authorities

They kept on saying that there was no evidence of human-to-human transfer for THREE WEEKS after they knew otherwise! This, BY IT SELF, makes China responsible for the world-wide epidemic.

The Guardian article makes it clear that the unwillingess to face the reality of the problem was an initial - local - reaction in December and early January.

At that point the central government got interested and got their act in order.

China certainly allowed a lot of infected people to fly to foreign countries, but that was before they had a clear idea of what was going on.

Flyguy is deeply into China bashing, but only superficially interested in what he is bashing them about. He'll post half-baked story serves his purpose

No, China is BASHING THE WORLD! They LIED about COVID for WEEKS!! What is half-baked is your reply.

You don't like it, but it isn't remotely as half-baked as your enthusiasm for concentrating on a short period of low level administrative idiocy in December and early January while ignoring the rather more constructive attitude that emerged when China got a proper grasp of what was going on.

It really is mindless China bashing, but you lack the wit to appreciate quite how blatantly one-sided your propaganda is.

You are getting yourself kill-filed - in the sense that nobody is going to bother reading what you have to say because it hasn't got any useful connection with reality.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

LOL! Your VERY RESPONSE indicates that I am not being "kill filed," if that is even possible on Google Groups.

I don't take you seriously, but you are a sitting duck for the kind of dismissive comment that I enjoy making. They also serve to remind other people to think about what they are posting, so it does serve a useful social purpose, even if you are too dim to learn anything from them.

> If telling the truth about the Chicomm is "China bashing" then so be it, just as you are a China lover because of OZ's dependence on China (just like the NBA). But it is hardly "mindless" - I back everything up with facts, unlike you.

You lack the capacity to distinguish between verifiable facts and your own demented opinions.

> Who knows from what level the orders in China are coming from? Certainly not you or I, and the Chicomm would be the LAST to say.

Sometimes it is pretty obvious to anybody with a functional brain. You will have to take that on trust.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[bitrex]

On 3/31/2020 9:33 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 4:27:21 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 1:15:50 AM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:
On 3/31/2020 2:21 AM, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 7:00:42 PM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:
On 3/30/2020 9:19 PM, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 3:26:05 PM UTC-7, Uwe Bonnes wrote:

snip

The above-linear increase in deaths year-over-year among an aging
population could be just the result that it was a Communist team effort
for the better part of 40 years to get that. go team?

Historical data is of not much use in a chaotic event like COVID-19, which is a true game changer.

Twaddle.It's just one more infectious disease.

Just look at the 1918 Flu, which killed more people than WWI itself (but was promulgated by the war). On top of that, the Chicomm data is completely unreliable, at least for the current crisis. Chaotic events just don't lend themselves to analysis by differential equations which, by their very nature, assume a linear system.

You've got to have a non-linear system to have chaos.

Differential equations work fine for non-linear systems. They do assume piecewise linearity - which is what "finite, continuous and differentiable" is all about, but there's a huge universe of non-linear problems for which they do work.

Spice handles the exponential response of a transistor to changes in base-emitter voltage perfectly satisfactorily.

I've been aware that Flyguy is intellectually challenged for some time now, but this bit of evidence is more conclusive than usual.

claiming that normal population dynamics, plus a lack of slack capacity
in the mortuary service industry in the locale and the stated number of
C-19 casualties, is insufficient to explain the observed symptoms,
assumes the conclusion.

China's growth rate is slowing. Wuhan's growth rate is slowing. As
growth rate slows the mortality rate will not track the growth rate
linearly year-over-year, as older people will be a larger fraction of
the total population than the year previous and are more likely to pass on.

Don't need differential equations to see that and can very likely
explain the observed numbers and events, such as they are, if they are
even true and not just hearsay.

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 01/04/20 01:59, whit3rd wrote:

On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 10:27:21 AM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

Historical data is of not much use in a chaotic event like COVID-19,

OK, I can see that historic plagues didn't usually have such a rich set
of megalopoli connected by swift aitravel, but we can use computers to set
up effective models. Why does 'chaotic' apply, though?

... which is a true game changer. Just look at the 1918 Flu...

Huh? You say historic data isn't useful, and ask us to delve into it anyhow? Admit
it, this is a posting from a travesty generator.

It is a troll.

 

[Flyguy]

On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 5:59:20 PM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:

On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 10:27:21 AM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

Historical data is of not much use in a chaotic event like COVID-19,

OK, I can see that historic plagues didn't usually have such a rich set
of megalopoli connected by swift aitravel, but we can use computers to set
up effective models. Why does 'chaotic' apply, though?

... which is a true game changer. Just look at the 1918 Flu...

Huh? You say historic data isn't useful, and ask us to delve into it anyhow? Admit
it, this is a posting from a travesty generator.

Historical in the context of what I was replying to, which quoted data from 2015 and 2018. We draw from events that happened in our lifetime - there are very few alive today that experienced the 1918 pandemic and none that have a first-hand memory of it. So, climb down from your high horse.

 

[Flyguy]

On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 6:28:31 PM UTC-7, Rick C wrote:

On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 8:59:20 PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 10:27:21 AM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

Historical data is of not much use in a chaotic event like COVID-19,

OK, I can see that historic plagues didn't usually have such a rich set
of megalopoli connected by swift aitravel, but we can use computers to set
up effective models. Why does 'chaotic' apply, though?

Chaotic means a small change in initial conditions can have a very large effect not too far down the road. I think that applies to spread of a virus. If you don't know the details of the spreading, like how the infection reached a nursing home in Washington state, then you won't be able to predict the spreading from that event. Same with many of the early growth. It's only later that it gets into states where the outcome is more predictable..

--

Rick C.

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Still, much of the spread of COVID is chaotic in the sense you can't identify most of the sources of the transmittal. One horrific incident in a small town in Georgia resulted in many people being infected at a funeral and, still, they don't know who brought it in:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/days-after-a-funeral-in-a-georgia-town-coronavirus-hit-like-a-bomb/ar-BB11VJoW

If you get infected after going to the grocery store (still permitted) will you be able to identify what you touched that had the virus, or who just coughed in the aisle a few minutes before you passed thru?

 

[Flyguy]

On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 6:33:32 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 4:27:21 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 1:15:50 AM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:
On 3/31/2020 2:21 AM, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 7:00:42 PM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:
On 3/30/2020 9:19 PM, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 3:26:05 PM UTC-7, Uwe Bonnes wrote:

snip

The above-linear increase in deaths year-over-year among an aging
population could be just the result that it was a Communist team effort
for the better part of 40 years to get that. go team?

Historical data is of not much use in a chaotic event like COVID-19, which is a true game changer.

Twaddle.It's just one more infectious disease.

Just look at the 1918 Flu, which killed more people than WWI itself (but was promulgated by the war). On top of that, the Chicomm data is completely unreliable, at least for the current crisis. Chaotic events just don't lend themselves to analysis by differential equations which, by their very nature, assume a linear system.

You've got to have a non-linear system to have chaos.

Differential equations work fine for non-linear systems. They do assume piecewise linearity - which is what "finite, continuous and differentiable" is all about, but there's a huge universe of non-linear problems for which they do work.

Spice handles the exponential response of a transistor to changes in base-emitter voltage perfectly satisfactorily.

I've been aware that Flyguy is intellectually challenged for some time now, but this bit of evidence is more conclusive than usual.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

LOL! You believe the Chicomms have been honest and forthcoming, and a monarchy is a modern form of government!! And you think you can come up with an R0 infection rate in what is clearly a chaotic environment.

 

[Flyguy]

On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 6:40:09 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 4:32:49 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 1:44:18 AM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 5:24:30 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 7:17:00 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 7:52:50 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 11:21:59 AM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 10:15:50 AM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
The Chicomm lovers of the world (i.e. Sloman) will have to come to grip with the fact that China is totally lying about...


Nonsense. The central authority in China has apparently been open and honest (though
a population of 1.4 billion means some individuals might not be).

"Totally lying" is so broad, it cannot be true. It cannot even be false. It's meaningless.

What does the 'Sloman' reference add? Are you just trying to push some parsonality
buttons? Again? Tiresome little provocateur!

LOL! "Open and honest?" Are you FUCKING JOKING??? They have been ANYTHING BUT! Chicomms instinct is to lie first, apologize later. More evidence of their lies:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/11/coronavirus-wuhan-doctor-ai-fen-speaks-out-against-authorities

They kept on saying that there was no evidence of human-to-human transfer for THREE WEEKS after they knew otherwise! This, BY IT SELF, makes China responsible for the world-wide epidemic.

The Guardian article makes it clear that the unwillingess to face the reality of the problem was an initial - local - reaction in December and early January.

At that point the central government got interested and got their act in order.

China certainly allowed a lot of infected people to fly to foreign countries, but that was before they had a clear idea of what was going on..

Flyguy is deeply into China bashing, but only superficially interested in what he is bashing them about. He'll post half-baked story serves his purpose

No, China is BASHING THE WORLD! They LIED about COVID for WEEKS!! What is half-baked is your reply.

You don't like it, but it isn't remotely as half-baked as your enthusiasm for concentrating on a short period of low level administrative idiocy in December and early January while ignoring the rather more constructive attitude that emerged when China got a proper grasp of what was going on.

It really is mindless China bashing, but you lack the wit to appreciate quite how blatantly one-sided your propaganda is.

You are getting yourself kill-filed - in the sense that nobody is going to bother reading what you have to say because it hasn't got any useful connection with reality.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

LOL! Your VERY RESPONSE indicates that I am not being "kill filed," if that is even possible on Google Groups.

I don't take you seriously, but you are a sitting duck for the kind of dismissive comment that I enjoy making. They also serve to remind other people to think about what they are posting, so it does serve a useful social purpose, even if you are too dim to learn anything from them.

If telling the truth about the Chicomm is "China bashing" then so be it, just as you are a China lover because of OZ's dependence on China (just like the NBA). But it is hardly "mindless" - I back everything up with facts, unlike you.

You lack the capacity to distinguish between verifiable facts and your own demented opinions.

Who knows from what level the orders in China are coming from? Certainly not you or I, and the Chicomm would be the LAST to say.

Sometimes it is pretty obvious to anybody with a functional brain. You will have to take that on trust.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

It's time to put your feeble mind into gear:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-01/china-concealed-extent-of-virus-outbreak-u-s-intelligence-says

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 01/04/20 22:43, Flyguy wrote:

On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 6:40:09 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 4:32:49 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 1:44:18 AM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 5:24:30 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 7:17:00 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 7:52:50 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 11:21:59 AM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 10:15:50 AM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
The Chicomm lovers of the world (i.e. Sloman) will have to come to grip with the fact that China is totally lying about...


Nonsense. The central authority in China has apparently been open and honest (though
a population of 1.4 billion means some individuals might not be).

"Totally lying" is so broad, it cannot be true. It cannot even be false. It's meaningless.

What does the 'Sloman' reference add? Are you just trying to push some parsonality
buttons? Again? Tiresome little provocateur!

LOL! "Open and honest?" Are you FUCKING JOKING??? They have been ANYTHING BUT! Chicomms instinct is to lie first, apologize later. More evidence of their lies:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/11/coronavirus-wuhan-doctor-ai-fen-speaks-out-against-authorities

They kept on saying that there was no evidence of human-to-human transfer for THREE WEEKS after they knew otherwise! This, BY IT SELF, makes China responsible for the world-wide epidemic.

The Guardian article makes it clear that the unwillingess to face the reality of the problem was an initial - local - reaction in December and early January.

At that point the central government got interested and got their act in order.

China certainly allowed a lot of infected people to fly to foreign countries, but that was before they had a clear idea of what was going on.

Flyguy is deeply into China bashing, but only superficially interested in what he is bashing them about. He'll post half-baked story serves his purpose

No, China is BASHING THE WORLD! They LIED about COVID for WEEKS!! What is half-baked is your reply.

You don't like it, but it isn't remotely as half-baked as your enthusiasm for concentrating on a short period of low level administrative idiocy in December and early January while ignoring the rather more constructive attitude that emerged when China got a proper grasp of what was going on.

It really is mindless China bashing, but you lack the wit to appreciate quite how blatantly one-sided your propaganda is.

You are getting yourself kill-filed - in the sense that nobody is going to bother reading what you have to say because it hasn't got any useful connection with reality.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

LOL! Your VERY RESPONSE indicates that I am not being "kill filed," if that is even possible on Google Groups.

I don't take you seriously, but you are a sitting duck for the kind of dismissive comment that I enjoy making. They also serve to remind other people to think about what they are posting, so it does serve a useful social purpose, even if you are too dim to learn anything from them.

If telling the truth about the Chicomm is "China bashing" then so be it, just as you are a China lover because of OZ's dependence on China (just like the NBA). But it is hardly "mindless" - I back everything up with facts, unlike you.

You lack the capacity to distinguish between verifiable facts and your own demented opinions.

Who knows from what level the orders in China are coming from? Certainly not you or I, and the Chicomm would be the LAST to say.

Sometimes it is pretty obvious to anybody with a functional brain. You will have to take that on trust.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

It's time to put your feeble mind into gear:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-01/china-concealed-extent-of-virus-outbreak-u-s-intelligence-says

Just like they claimed Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction?

 

[Rick C]

On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 5:36:42 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:

If you get infected after going to the grocery store (still permitted) will you be able to identify what you touched that had the virus, or who just coughed in the aisle a few minutes before you passed thru?

I've thought of that. Sometimes I touch an item before picking the one I want to buy. I try not to do that now. But the handles on the refrigerator doors are great places to spread the disease. I bring my own cleaner and paper towels.

But yes, we can't trace every last path of infection. But we need to do a better job of it. The chances of spreading infection by a casual touch of a freezer handle is a lot less than by being in a car with someone for 15 minutes or working at the next desk from them all day. I can't imagine what it's like for the bank tellers and cashiers in the stores. They have got to be concerned.

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[Flyguy]

On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 3:04:12 PM UTC-7, Rick C wrote:

On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 5:36:42 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:

If you get infected after going to the grocery store (still permitted) will you be able to identify what you touched that had the virus, or who just coughed in the aisle a few minutes before you passed thru?

I've thought of that. Sometimes I touch an item before picking the one I want to buy. I try not to do that now. But the handles on the refrigerator doors are great places to spread the disease. I bring my own cleaner and paper towels.

But yes, we can't trace every last path of infection. But we need to do a better job of it. The chances of spreading infection by a casual touch of a freezer handle is a lot less than by being in a car with someone for 15 minutes or working at the next desk from them all day. I can't imagine what it's like for the bank tellers and cashiers in the stores. They have got to be concerned.

--

Rick C.

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The higher the infection rate (infections per million population, NOT per day or week), the more stringent the measures people must take to avoid infection. The latest data shows this is working: the national increase yesterday was just 7% in confirmed cases (after 23% the day before), and NY say a minuscule 0.3% increase. Nonetheless, a friend of mine in NYC and his wife got infected and they have no idea how (they practiced all the recommended procedures).

 

[Rick C]

On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 7:42:12 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:

On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 3:04:12 PM UTC-7, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 5:36:42 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:

If you get infected after going to the grocery store (still permitted) will you be able to identify what you touched that had the virus, or who just coughed in the aisle a few minutes before you passed thru?

I've thought of that. Sometimes I touch an item before picking the one I want to buy. I try not to do that now. But the handles on the refrigerator doors are great places to spread the disease. I bring my own cleaner and paper towels.

But yes, we can't trace every last path of infection. But we need to do a better job of it. The chances of spreading infection by a casual touch of a freezer handle is a lot less than by being in a car with someone for 15 minutes or working at the next desk from them all day. I can't imagine what it's like for the bank tellers and cashiers in the stores. They have got to be concerned.

--

Rick C.

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The higher the infection rate (infections per million population, NOT per day or week), the more stringent the measures people must take to avoid infection. The latest data shows this is working: the national increase yesterday was just 7% in confirmed cases (after 23% the day before), and NY say a minuscule 0.3% increase. Nonetheless, a friend of mine in NYC and his wife got infected and they have no idea how (they practiced all the recommended procedures).

3/30 to 3/31 saw a 14% increase in count of infected in the US and the previous day saw a 14% increase as well. These numbers will give you exactly the same result as your "rate" per capita unless the number of deaths greatly increases day to day. This is according to worldometers. Where did you get your data?

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[Rick C]

On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 8:50:05 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:

On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 5:48:50 PM UTC-7, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 7:42:12 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 3:04:12 PM UTC-7, Rick C wrote:

The higher the infection rate (infections per million population, NOT per day or week), the more stringent the measures people must take to avoid infection. The latest data shows this is working: the national increase yesterday was just 7% in confirmed cases (after 23% the day before), and NY say a minuscule 0.3% increase. Nonetheless, a friend of mine in NYC and his wife got infected and they have no idea how (they practiced all the recommended procedures).

3/30 to 3/31 saw a 14% increase in count of infected in the US and the previous day saw a 14% increase as well. These numbers will give you exactly the same result as your "rate" per capita unless the number of deaths greatly increases day to day. This is according to worldometers. Where did you get your data?

https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en

The numbers I pulled off of that page are for total cases, not current infections. The numbers are

Apr 1 215066 13%
Mar 31 189953 16%
Mar 30 164275 15%
Mar 29 142474

Apr 1 number seems to not be totally updated yet. Still, not the numbers you get. Don't know where you got the 7% increase.

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[Flyguy]

On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 5:48:50 PM UTC-7, Rick C wrote:

On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 7:42:12 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 3:04:12 PM UTC-7, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 5:36:42 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:

If you get infected after going to the grocery store (still permitted) will you be able to identify what you touched that had the virus, or who just coughed in the aisle a few minutes before you passed thru?

I've thought of that. Sometimes I touch an item before picking the one I want to buy. I try not to do that now. But the handles on the refrigerator doors are great places to spread the disease. I bring my own cleaner and paper towels.

But yes, we can't trace every last path of infection. But we need to do a better job of it. The chances of spreading infection by a casual touch of a freezer handle is a lot less than by being in a car with someone for 15 minutes or working at the next desk from them all day. I can't imagine what it's like for the bank tellers and cashiers in the stores. They have got to be concerned.

--

Rick C.

-+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

The higher the infection rate (infections per million population, NOT per day or week), the more stringent the measures people must take to avoid infection. The latest data shows this is working: the national increase yesterday was just 7% in confirmed cases (after 23% the day before), and NY say a minuscule 0.3% increase. Nonetheless, a friend of mine in NYC and his wife got infected and they have no idea how (they practiced all the recommended procedures).

3/30 to 3/31 saw a 14% increase in count of infected in the US and the previous day saw a 14% increase as well. These numbers will give you exactly the same result as your "rate" per capita unless the number of deaths greatly increases day to day. This is according to worldometers. Where did you get your data?

--

Rick C.

+- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en

 

[Flyguy]

> Just like they claimed Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction?

When do you plan on pulling your head out of your ass?