mold forms on cords, knobs, and tool handles

On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 19:21:44 -0500, krw@attt.bizz wrote:

On Mon, 4 Mar 2013 15:46:39 -0800, "William Sommerwerck"
grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:

I've been sniffing Xcelite (and similar) tools on and off for years, and I
always assumed the odor came from the handle, not the case.

It does. The ones without a case smell just as bad (just got a bunch
of screwdrivers at work last week).
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Hmmm... I washed the tools and seperated the case from the tools for
a few days. I found that the odor came from the case, not the tools.
However, I did that maybe 15 years ago and only vaguely remember the
circumstances. I have some Xcelite nut drivers in a plastic case. If
they stink, I'll try the test again.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
 
The Daring Dufas wrote:
I met a cute little 4 year old girl one day and because I flirt with
gals of all ages, I asked her if she would marry me when I grow up.
The tyke looked me up and down and said "You're already grown up." to
which I replied, "You're the first girl who's ever said that to me." ^_^

TDD
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I'll bet she said that to all the boys! ;-)
 
William Sommerwerck wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
news:U-adnatXObEUM67MnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@earthlink.com...

Shotgunning is the true mark of a very poor tech. They don't
want to learn why things fail, or what parts are actually needed.

Might I respectfully semi-disagree?

I have always wanted to understand >>why<< something wasn't working correctly
before I fixed it. But as products have become more complex and harder to
troubleshoot, it seems increasingly necessary to, on some occasions, shotgun.
I don't like it, but if you're running a repair business, you have to get the
item out the door to stay in business.

If it's of any interest, I have never had a callback on anything I've
repaired. But that was in the days when virtually all electronics was composed
of discrete components you could unsolder and test, if need be.
Click to expand...

William, the more you actually find the problem and repair what's
needed, the easier and faster it is to do on future jobs. You develop
an understanding for what kinds of parts are the highest failures, and
use logic to narrow down the problem. For instance, surface mount
ceramic resistors and capacitors have a low failure rate, but the
electrolytics have a high failure rate by comparison? Would you shotgun
a couple hundred chip caps, just in case? Would you replace a dozen
ICs, just in case?

The more parts you change on a modern surface mount board, the higher
the chances of destroying the board. It was simpler on tube radios, and
early discrete solid state designs, but it takes a lot of time and
expense to shotgun VLSI and ASIC ICs on a board.

Logical troubleshooting was the method I was taught in the mid '60s,
and after a few years on the bench I was the most productive tech.
Also, the repair costs were lower because I didn't replace as many
parts, nd the customer didn't have to wait for custom parts to be
ordered from the OEM, 'just in case'.
 
On 3/5/2013 12:56 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote:

I met a cute little 4 year old girl one day and because I flirt with
gals of all ages, I asked her if she would marry me when I grow up.
The tyke looked me up and down and said "You're already grown up." to
which I replied, "You're the first girl who's ever said that to me." ^_^

TDD


I'll bet she said that to all the boys! ;-)
Click to expand...
I teach my tiny girlfriends to tell a funny looking guy who asks for
their hand in marriage to reply. "I can't possibly marry you, I'm not
an ordained minister." ^_^

TDD
 
The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 3/5/2013 12:56 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

The Daring Dufas wrote:

I met a cute little 4 year old girl one day and because I flirt with
gals of all ages, I asked her if she would marry me when I grow up.
The tyke looked me up and down and said "You're already grown up." to
which I replied, "You're the first girl who's ever said that to me." ^_^

TDD


I'll bet she said that to all the boys! ;-)


I teach my tiny girlfriends to tell a funny looking guy who asks for
their hand in marriage to reply. "I can't possibly marry you, I'm not
an ordained minister." ^_^
Click to expand...

Then they call you a cab?
 
On 3/5/2013 11:25 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote:

On 3/5/2013 12:56 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

The Daring Dufas wrote:

I met a cute little 4 year old girl one day and because I flirt with
gals of all ages, I asked her if she would marry me when I grow up.
The tyke looked me up and down and said "You're already grown up." to
which I replied, "You're the first girl who's ever said that to me." ^_^

TDD


I'll bet she said that to all the boys! ;-)


I teach my tiny girlfriends to tell a funny looking guy who asks for
their hand in marriage to reply. "I can't possibly marry you, I'm not
an ordained minister." ^_^


Then they call you a cab?
Click to expand...
One of my baby girlfriends sent me a picture of her daughters. I've
known her since she was a little girl and now she's 30 and has two
munchkins of her own. ^_^

TDD
 
On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 10:03:27 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

The microscope photos were awful, grainy, and somewhat otto focus but
sufficient to make a few observations:
http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/white-plastic-rot/
I left the microscope setup in my office and will try to take some
better pictures with better objective lenses and better lighting on
Monday night. Bottom lighting didn't work because the "plastic rot"
was too thick. It also wrecked the focus as my depth of field is very
limited at x100 and x400. Maybe lower power will help.
Click to expand...
I took some more photos, but they were about the same as the others.
<http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/white-plastic-rot/>
The particle sizes are too thick to get a decent photo due to the lack
of depth of field. I just wanted one that shows the plastic like
shine, that is characteristic of plastics, and not mold. I'll melt or
set fire to the stuff later this week.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
 
Then they call you a cab?
Click to expand...
That joke goes back at least as far as William S Gilbert. He was tall and
authoritative-looking. A man mistook him for one of those people who stand of
hotels, and asked him to "Call me a cab".

"Very well... You're a four-wheeler."

"Wha...?"

"You said to call you a cab -- and I couldn't very well call you hansom."
(punning on handsome)
 
The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 3/5/2013 11:25 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

The Daring Dufas wrote:

On 3/5/2013 12:56 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

The Daring Dufas wrote:

I met a cute little 4 year old girl one day and because I flirt with
gals of all ages, I asked her if she would marry me when I grow up.
The tyke looked me up and down and said "You're already grown up." to
which I replied, "You're the first girl who's ever said that to me." ^_^

TDD


I'll bet she said that to all the boys! ;-)


I teach my tiny girlfriends to tell a funny looking guy who asks for
their hand in marriage to reply. "I can't possibly marry you, I'm not
an ordained minister." ^_^


Then they call you a cab?


One of my baby girlfriends sent me a picture of her daughters. I've
known her since she was a little girl and now she's 30 and has two
munchkins of her own. ^_^
Click to expand...

Not yours?
 
William Sommerwerck wrote:
Then they call you a cab?

That joke goes back at least as far as William S Gilbert. He was tall and
authoritative-looking. A man mistook him for one of those people who stand of
hotels, and asked him to "Call me a cab".

"Very well... You're a four-wheeler."

"Wha...?"

"You said to call you a cab -- and I couldn't very well call you hansom."
(punning on handsome)
Click to expand...

I know it's an old joke. I use them as throwaways. ;-)
 
On 3/5/2013 2:23 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote:

On 3/5/2013 11:25 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

The Daring Dufas wrote:

On 3/5/2013 12:56 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

The Daring Dufas wrote:

I met a cute little 4 year old girl one day and because I flirt with
gals of all ages, I asked her if she would marry me when I grow up.
The tyke looked me up and down and said "You're already grown up." to
which I replied, "You're the first girl who's ever said that to me." ^_^

TDD


I'll bet she said that to all the boys! ;-)


I teach my tiny girlfriends to tell a funny looking guy who asks for
their hand in marriage to reply. "I can't possibly marry you, I'm not
an ordained minister." ^_^


Then they call you a cab?


One of my baby girlfriends sent me a picture of her daughters. I've
known her since she was a little girl and now she's 30 and has two
munchkins of her own. ^_^


Not yours?
Click to expand...
No, not mine. When she was little I always asked her if she would marry
me when I grew up but she grew up to be a beautiful young woman who met
and married a handsome young man and they now have two little daughters.
The oldest is three and the youngest 7 months old. ^_^

TDD
 
On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 21:38:08 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 19:21:44 -0500, krw@attt.bizz wrote:

On Mon, 4 Mar 2013 15:46:39 -0800, "William Sommerwerck"
grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:

I've been sniffing Xcelite (and similar) tools on and off for years, and I
always assumed the odor came from the handle, not the case.

It does. The ones without a case smell just as bad (just got a bunch
of screwdrivers at work last week).

Hmmm... I washed the tools and seperated the case from the tools for
a few days. I found that the odor came from the case, not the tools.
However, I did that maybe 15 years ago and only vaguely remember the
circumstances. I have some Xcelite nut drivers in a plastic case. If
they stink, I'll try the test again.
Click to expand...
The screwdrivers have never been in a case and still smell of xcelite.
I also have a set of ~50YO Xcelite nutdrivers that still stink but
they are in a case. No white powder, though.
 
The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 3/5/2013 2:23 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

The Daring Dufas wrote:

On 3/5/2013 11:25 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

The Daring Dufas wrote:

On 3/5/2013 12:56 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

The Daring Dufas wrote:

I met a cute little 4 year old girl one day and because I flirt with
gals of all ages, I asked her if she would marry me when I grow up.
The tyke looked me up and down and said "You're already grown up." to
which I replied, "You're the first girl who's ever said that to me." ^_^

TDD


I'll bet she said that to all the boys! ;-)


I teach my tiny girlfriends to tell a funny looking guy who asks for
their hand in marriage to reply. "I can't possibly marry you, I'm not
an ordained minister." ^_^


Then they call you a cab?


One of my baby girlfriends sent me a picture of her daughters. I've
known her since she was a little girl and now she's 30 and has two
munchkins of her own. ^_^


Not yours?


No, not mine. When she was little I always asked her if she would marry
me when I grew up but she grew up to be a beautiful young woman who met
and married a handsome young man and they now have two little daughters.
The oldest is three and the youngest 7 months old. ^_^
Click to expand...

You snooze, you lose! ;-)
 
On 3/5/2013 5:44 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote:

On 3/5/2013 2:23 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

The Daring Dufas wrote:

On 3/5/2013 11:25 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

The Daring Dufas wrote:

On 3/5/2013 12:56 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

The Daring Dufas wrote:

I met a cute little 4 year old girl one day and because I flirt with
gals of all ages, I asked her if she would marry me when I grow up.
The tyke looked me up and down and said "You're already grown up." to
which I replied, "You're the first girl who's ever said that to me." ^_^

TDD


I'll bet she said that to all the boys! ;-)


I teach my tiny girlfriends to tell a funny looking guy who asks for
their hand in marriage to reply. "I can't possibly marry you, I'm not
an ordained minister." ^_^


Then they call you a cab?


One of my baby girlfriends sent me a picture of her daughters. I've
known her since she was a little girl and now she's 30 and has two
munchkins of her own. ^_^


Not yours?


No, not mine. When she was little I always asked her if she would marry
me when I grew up but she grew up to be a beautiful young woman who met
and married a handsome young man and they now have two little daughters.
The oldest is three and the youngest 7 months old. ^_^


You snooze, you lose! ;-)
Click to expand...
Heck, she's like family anyway. Her late father and me were friends and
we did a lot of contracting work together so now when she and her mom
need help with something, they call me. ^_^

TDD
 
Attila Iskander wrote:
"Ralph Mowery" <rmowery28146@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:B_CdndgJkc04grPMnZ2dnUVZ_oKdnZ2d@earthlink.com...

"micky" <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:2icri8llum4a5m0qp0g2rkt9k5lj5m6p1j@4ax.com...
My shop is in my basement, which has always seemed to be a very dry
floor. However, about 4% of my cords, my spare radio and tv knobs,
and the handles of my tools get a think layer of some sort of mold on
them. It's like a grey dust. (Or some other light color, I forget.)

I wasg them in the dishwasher and they come out clean, but once in the
basement again, after a few months, U notice that the same ones have
mold. And the rest never get mold.

I suppose I could just ignore this, since it doesn't spread, but I
wonder if any of you have ideas. No other part of my house is neat
or clean, but the shop is the most important place, and I'd like it to
be clean.

The plastic in some tool handles will break down over a period of
time. It is just bad quality plastic. Even some other wise good tools
have this problem.
If it only some tools and always the same ones, you just have to
replace the tools when the handles fall off.



Just use that dipping handle cover.
Here's one such product
http://www.plastidip.com/home_solutions/Plasti_Dip
I have different tool boxes for different uses, such as electrical,
plumbing, carpentry, car, bicycle, motorbike, general, etc.
I get it in different colors, to identify which tool box or
"application" tool kit they belong to. It has really cut down on tool
"evaporation". It also has made enforcement of tool replacement to it's
proper box far easier with other family members.
Click to expand...


I wonder if this is an example of an actual good use for WD-40? Too many
people use it as a lubricant instead of what it was designed to be - a
tool protective coating...

John :-#)#

--
(Please post followups or tech enquiries to the newsgroup)
John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9
Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games)
www.flippers.com
"Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."
 
The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 3/5/2013 5:44 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

The Daring Dufas wrote:

On 3/5/2013 2:23 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

The Daring Dufas wrote:

On 3/5/2013 11:25 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

The Daring Dufas wrote:

On 3/5/2013 12:56 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

The Daring Dufas wrote:

I met a cute little 4 year old girl one day and because I flirt with
gals of all ages, I asked her if she would marry me when I grow up.
The tyke looked me up and down and said "You're already grown up." to
which I replied, "You're the first girl who's ever said that to me." ^_^

TDD


I'll bet she said that to all the boys! ;-)


I teach my tiny girlfriends to tell a funny looking guy who asks for
their hand in marriage to reply. "I can't possibly marry you, I'm not
an ordained minister." ^_^


Then they call you a cab?


One of my baby girlfriends sent me a picture of her daughters. I've
known her since she was a little girl and now she's 30 and has two
munchkins of her own. ^_^


Not yours?


No, not mine. When she was little I always asked her if she would marry
me when I grew up but she grew up to be a beautiful young woman who met
and married a handsome young man and they now have two little daughters.
The oldest is three and the youngest 7 months old. ^_^


You snooze, you lose! ;-)


Heck, she's like family anyway. Her late father and me were friends and
we did a lot of contracting work together so now when she and her mom
need help with something, they call me. ^_^
Click to expand...

Do they call you anything that you can repeat in polite company? ;-)
 
On 3/5/2013 9:21 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote:

On 3/5/2013 5:44 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

The Daring Dufas wrote:

On 3/5/2013 2:23 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

The Daring Dufas wrote:

On 3/5/2013 11:25 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

The Daring Dufas wrote:

On 3/5/2013 12:56 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

The Daring Dufas wrote:

I met a cute little 4 year old girl one day and because I flirt with
gals of all ages, I asked her if she would marry me when I grow up.
The tyke looked me up and down and said "You're already grown up." to
which I replied, "You're the first girl who's ever said that to me." ^_^

TDD


I'll bet she said that to all the boys! ;-)


I teach my tiny girlfriends to tell a funny looking guy who asks for
their hand in marriage to reply. "I can't possibly marry you, I'm not
an ordained minister." ^_^


Then they call you a cab?


One of my baby girlfriends sent me a picture of her daughters. I've
known her since she was a little girl and now she's 30 and has two
munchkins of her own. ^_^


Not yours?


No, not mine. When she was little I always asked her if she would marry
me when I grew up but she grew up to be a beautiful young woman who met
and married a handsome young man and they now have two little daughters.
The oldest is three and the youngest 7 months old. ^_^


You snooze, you lose! ;-)


Heck, she's like family anyway. Her late father and me were friends and
we did a lot of contracting work together so now when she and her mom
need help with something, they call me. ^_^


Do they call you anything that you can repeat in polite company? ;-)
Click to expand...
Yes, but it's a secret. ^_^

TDD
 
On Tue, 05 Mar 2013 17:25:01 -0800, John Robertson <spam@flippers.com>
wrote:

Attila Iskander wrote:
"Ralph Mowery" <rmowery28146@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:B_CdndgJkc04grPMnZ2dnUVZ_oKdnZ2d@earthlink.com...

"micky" <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:2icri8llum4a5m0qp0g2rkt9k5lj5m6p1j@4ax.com...
My shop is in my basement, which has always seemed to be a very dry
floor. However, about 4% of my cords, my spare radio and tv knobs,
and the handles of my tools get a think layer of some sort of mold on
them. It's like a grey dust. (Or some other light color, I forget.)

I wasg them in the dishwasher and they come out clean, but once in the
basement again, after a few months, U notice that the same ones have
mold. And the rest never get mold.

I suppose I could just ignore this, since it doesn't spread, but I
wonder if any of you have ideas. No other part of my house is neat
or clean, but the shop is the most important place, and I'd like it to
be clean.

The plastic in some tool handles will break down over a period of
time. It is just bad quality plastic. Even some other wise good tools
have this problem.
If it only some tools and always the same ones, you just have to
replace the tools when the handles fall off.



Just use that dipping handle cover.
Here's one such product
http://www.plastidip.com/home_solutions/Plasti_Dip
I have different tool boxes for different uses, such as electrical,
plumbing, carpentry, car, bicycle, motorbike, general, etc.
I get it in different colors, to identify which tool box or
"application" tool kit they belong to. It has really cut down on tool
"evaporation". It also has made enforcement of tool replacement to it's
proper box far easier with other family members.




I wonder if this is an example of an actual good use for WD-40? Too many
people use it as a lubricant instead of what it was designed to be - a
tool protective coating...
Click to expand...
Uh, oh...
 
The following spam just arrived...

Dear purchaser
How are you? This is Steven from MingTong surface treatment co.ltd.
Specialized in plastic component and surface treatment over 12 years.Owning
the good reputation by nice price and quality.If you want to know more details
please don't hesitate to contact us.
Best regards,
Steven chan
sales manager
MingTong surface treatment co.ltd.
 
William Sommerwerck wrote:
The following spam just arrived...

Dear purchaser
How are you? This is Steven from MingTong surface treatment co.ltd.
Specialized in plastic component and surface treatment over 12 years.Owning
the good reputation by nice price and quality.If you want to know more details
please don't hesitate to contact us.
Click to expand...

Ask them why their plastic turns white and stinks after a few years.
;-)
 
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