Modern 486...

[John Doe]

Poor liddle Eddie got spanked and just can\'t get over it.

Unless Eddie is nym-shifting, it has never posted anything NORMAL
except when it got a severe spanking...

https://groups.google.com/g/sci.electronics.repair/c/MesPLcGU4BE

Is Eddie a nym-shifting troll, or a newbie netcop wannabe?

See also...
Peter Weiner <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
Edward H. <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com>

Eddie is an example for all newbies. Don\'t get spanked!

Spanked Eddie...



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[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Thu, 10 Mar 2022 17:57:23 -0000 (UTC)) it happened John Doe
<always.look@message.header> wrote in <t0de63$fkb$1@dont-email.me>:

Nothing but a silly troll...

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On a sunny day (Thu, 10 Mar 2022 12:18:44 -0000 (UTC)) it happened John Doe
always.look@message.header> wrote in <t0cqb3$v6o$1@dont-email.me>:

The below description is pretty good but somewhat of an understatement.

There are LOTS of programs, very important programs, that do not run on
Linux. A few of those being able to run thru \"Wine\" or whatever makes little
difference, nobody wants their programs to run slower.

Linux is a server operating system.

No way

There are likely more things running Linux than windows,
For example my Samsung big LCD TV runs Linux (yes the open source is on their site)
Almost all the little WiFi modems run a version of Linux, for example my Linksys ones.
Cameras, what not..
So many embedded systems run Linux, Linux is even present in some satellites.
MS windows was dead when they integrated the GUI and OS and it became a salesman\'s trap for the customer.
Add to that programming in Cplushplush (a Crime Against Humanity language) and nobody sane wants windows it for embedded.
And all them android phones are basically Linux versions.

Doodle go away and get a clue.

 

[Edward Hernandez]

The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

> The troll doesn\'t even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
CLUELESS...

And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Thu, 10 Mar 2022 18:20:45 -0000
(UTC) in message-id <t0dfhs$fkb$8@dont-email.me>.

hi/lQnKTJeK0

 

[Edward Hernandez]

The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

> The troll doesn\'t even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
CLUELESS...

And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Thu, 10 Mar 2022 17:57:23 -0000
(UTC) in message-id <t0de63$fkb$1@dont-email.me>.

This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
follow it\'s own rules that it uses to troll other posters.

LEPOTIeTI66Y

 

[John Doe]

Poor liddle Eddie got spanked and just can\'t get over it.

Unless Eddie is nym-shifting, it has never posted anything NORMAL
except when it got a severe spanking...

https://groups.google.com/g/sci.electronics.repair/c/MesPLcGU4BE

Is Eddie a nym-shifting troll, or a newbie netcop wannabe?

See also...
Peter Weiner <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
Edward H. <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com>

Eddie is an example for all newbies. Don\'t get spanked!

Spanked Eddie...

--
Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com> wrote:

> Path: eternal-september

 

[Edward Hernandez]

The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

> The troll doesn\'t even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
CLUELESS...

NOBODY likes the John Doe troll\'s contentless spam.

And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly
formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
Thu, 10 Mar 2022 20:46:56 -0000 (UTC) in message-id
<t0do40$8f5$2@dont-email.me>).

This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

RJExRR2clH/G

 

[David Brown]

On 10/03/2022 13:18, John Doe wrote:

The below description is pretty good but somewhat of an understatement.

There are LOTS of programs, very important programs, that do not run on
Linux. A few of those being able to run thru \"Wine\" or whatever makes little
difference, nobody wants their programs to run slower.

Many programs run faster under Wine than natively under Windows. It all
depends on what the program is doing.

Linux is a server operating system.

It is that too - it covers an incredibly wide range of use-cases.
Embedded systems, laptops, desktops, servers, virtual systems, gaming
systems, routers, HPC - pretty anything bigger than a microcontroller.

 

[Rick C]

On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 5:20:24 AM UTC-5, David Brown wrote:

On 10/03/2022 04:54, Rick C wrote:


They are aimed at anyone who buys them. I\'m simply pointing out
there is a market for Windows users who don\'t want to learn a whole
\'nother OS. Like me!

You are actually in the segment of users that are most difficult to
\"convert\" to Linux - people who use their machines for a lot of
different purposes and have a long-term investment in the technical
details and quirks of Windows (whether you like the OS or not). Getting
to the same level of competence on a different system takes time and
effort, and naturally you\'d rather avoid that.

Big DUH!

That market is not as big as many people think. Most people use Windows
machines for browsing, email, watching videos, light \"Office\" programs,
games, and whatever programs their companies say they have to use. For
all but the last two points, you could install a user-friendly Linux
distribution like Linux Mint, and people have their email, browsers,
office much like before. Details of appearances change, but they do
that between Windows versions too.

You fail to grasp the obvious. People don\'t have a reason to do that, change. More importantly, you are describing typical desktop/laptop use which is not the market we\'ve been discussing. Neither the rPi nor the Vortex86 are particularly aimed at that market.

Games are a different matter - there is no doubt that Windows is the
prime platform for games. Steam works on Linux, and many games run fine
on it, but not all. And not all Windows games are on Steam.

Then there are programs used as part of your job. Some might be
cross-platform, some might run under Wine, some won\'t. If I want to use
Altium Designer, I use my Windows machine. Almost all of my coding and
compiling is done on my Linux machine - but usually I also check that it
all builds fine on my Windows machine too. All my network stuff is
Linux only. For other people, with other programs and needs and
different levels of support and knowledge from their employer, results
will vary.

Common for most people, however, is that computers are tools, and no one
wants to change things that they are used to and can work with. It
needs a lot of reason and motivation to change - and the more you have
invested in learning about a system, the more reason you need to change.

Since you are discussing the wrong markets, nothing you\'ve said here has relevance.

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[Rick C]

On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 4:33:39 PM UTC-5, David Brown wrote:

On 10/03/2022 13:18, John Doe wrote:
The below description is pretty good but somewhat of an understatement.

There are LOTS of programs, very important programs, that do not run on
Linux. A few of those being able to run thru \"Wine\" or whatever makes little
difference, nobody wants their programs to run slower.

Many programs run faster under Wine than natively under Windows. It all
depends on what the program is doing.
Linux is a server operating system.

It is that too - it covers an incredibly wide range of use-cases.
Embedded systems, laptops, desktops, servers, virtual systems, gaming
systems, routers, HPC - pretty anything bigger than a microcontroller.

I guess another thread is lost to the great topic drift. This started out discussing the Vortex86 devices but someone brought up Linux and now the wars have started.

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[David Brown]

On 10/03/2022 22:52, Rick C wrote:

On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 4:33:39 PM UTC-5, David Brown wrote:
On 10/03/2022 13:18, John Doe wrote:
The below description is pretty good but somewhat of an
understatement.

There are LOTS of programs, very important programs, that do not
run on Linux. A few of those being able to run thru \"Wine\" or
whatever makes little difference, nobody wants their programs to
run slower.

Many programs run faster under Wine than natively under Windows. It
all depends on what the program is doing.
Linux is a server operating system.

It is that too - it covers an incredibly wide range of use-cases.
Embedded systems, laptops, desktops, servers, virtual systems,
gaming systems, routers, HPC - pretty anything bigger than a
microcontroller.

I guess another thread is lost to the great topic drift. This
started out discussing the Vortex86 devices but someone brought up
Linux and now the wars have started.

Isn\'t topic drift what this group is all about?

Anyway, the source of this drift was that someone brought up /Windows/ !

If you want to return to the Vortex86 devices - do you think they will
have any use except for newer versions of legacy embedded systems where
someone a decade or two wrote the code for Windows or DOS and the
manufacturer has to find new hardware for the old software ?

 

[Rick C]

On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 11:45:42 AM UTC-5, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:

torsdag den 10. marts 2022 kl. 13.18.55 UTC+1 skrev John Doe:
The below description is pretty good but somewhat of an understatement.

There are LOTS of programs, very important programs, that do not run on
Linux.
how many people need much more than a browser and maybe an \"office\" suite?

Absolutely true, but they use them under Windows. Ask them to use a Linux machine and you have to start training all over again. That may not be more significant than updating to a new version of office tools, but it is an expense most companies won\'t suffer.

A few of those being able to run thru \"Wine\" or whatever makes little
difference, nobody wants their programs to run slower.
the difference is usually minor

Linux is a server operating system.
and many other things, it\'s greats for servers, desktops, all kind of embedded stuff
and there\'s about 3 billion Android devices

Beta was a better video tape format. Windows is what people use. Linux is for geeks and nerds. You know I\'m right.

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[Rick C]

On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 2:20:05 AM UTC-5, David Brown wrote:

On 10/03/2022 22:52, Rick C wrote:
On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 4:33:39 PM UTC-5, David Brown wrote:
On 10/03/2022 13:18, John Doe wrote:
The below description is pretty good but somewhat of an
understatement.

There are LOTS of programs, very important programs, that do not
run on Linux. A few of those being able to run thru \"Wine\" or
whatever makes little difference, nobody wants their programs to
run slower.

Many programs run faster under Wine than natively under Windows. It
all depends on what the program is doing.
Linux is a server operating system.

It is that too - it covers an incredibly wide range of use-cases.
Embedded systems, laptops, desktops, servers, virtual systems,
gaming systems, routers, HPC - pretty anything bigger than a
microcontroller.

I guess another thread is lost to the great topic drift. This
started out discussing the Vortex86 devices but someone brought up
Linux and now the wars have started.

Isn\'t topic drift what this group is all about?

Anyway, the source of this drift was that someone brought up /Windows/ !

If you want to return to the Vortex86 devices - do you think they will
have any use except for newer versions of legacy embedded systems where
someone a decade or two wrote the code for Windows or DOS and the
manufacturer has to find new hardware for the old software ?

We will see. I\'m surprised I\'m only just hearing about them now.

I recall a friend who was so amazed by a tablet type product that ran Windows for under $100. I knew it would be very slow and a PITA, but he insisted it was a miracle and would take over the world. I was right, it was just too under powered to even be useful. So we will see how the Vortex86 does in the real world. I wonder what all products it is in?

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[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

fredag den 11. marts 2022 kl. 13.48.20 UTC+1 skrev gnuarm.del...@gmail.com:

On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 11:45:42 AM UTC-5, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
torsdag den 10. marts 2022 kl. 13.18.55 UTC+1 skrev John Doe:
The below description is pretty good but somewhat of an understatement.

There are LOTS of programs, very important programs, that do not run on
Linux.
how many people need much more than a browser and maybe an \"office\" suite?
Absolutely true, but they use them under Windows. Ask them to use a Linux machine and you have to start training all over again. That may not be more significant than updating to a new version of office tools, but it is an expense most companies won\'t suffer.
A few of those being able to run thru \"Wine\" or whatever makes little
difference, nobody wants their programs to run slower.
the difference is usually minor

Linux is a server operating system.
and many other things, it\'s greats for servers, desktops, all kind of embedded stuff
and there\'s about 3 billion Android devices
Beta was a better video tape format. Windows is what people use. Linux is for geeks and nerds. You know I\'m right.

when was the last time you tried something like ubuntu, 15 years ago?

 

[Rick C]

On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 12:01:09 PM UTC-5, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:

fredag den 11. marts 2022 kl. 13.48.20 UTC+1 skrev gnuarm.del...@gmail.com:
On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 11:45:42 AM UTC-5, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
torsdag den 10. marts 2022 kl. 13.18.55 UTC+1 skrev John Doe:
The below description is pretty good but somewhat of an understatement.

There are LOTS of programs, very important programs, that do not run on
Linux.
how many people need much more than a browser and maybe an \"office\" suite?
Absolutely true, but they use them under Windows. Ask them to use a Linux machine and you have to start training all over again. That may not be more significant than updating to a new version of office tools, but it is an expense most companies won\'t suffer.
A few of those being able to run thru \"Wine\" or whatever makes little
difference, nobody wants their programs to run slower.
the difference is usually minor

Linux is a server operating system.
and many other things, it\'s greats for servers, desktops, all kind of embedded stuff
and there\'s about 3 billion Android devices
Beta was a better video tape format. Windows is what people use. Linux is for geeks and nerds. You know I\'m right.
when was the last time you tried something like ubuntu, 15 years ago?

You still fail to understand my point. WINDOWS USERS ARE NOT GOING TO TRY UBUNTU, because Windows is what they know and it works very well for them.

Here\'s an example. Everyone knows how to download an app from the web. Click the download link and run the file that shows up. Done.

Under Linux... well, uh, sudo apt get something? I only know that from using an rPi. Does Linux have automatic installation from a web site link? I dunno. Most other people don\'t either. It\'s not about whether it is easy or not. It\'s about what people know about it. Most people don\'t even know the name Linux, thinking you mean that character from Peanuts.

Most people who would want to have a music server or a file server know how to do things under Windows. They can find software on the web, open source or not, download and install it and get something to work. I remember using Win2K and finding a really useful web site on networking, World Of Windows Networking, WOWN. Someone bought the site and ruined it. But I had a home network up and running like clockwork. I struggled mightily to do the same thing with the rPi. Heck, just finding out how to run a terminal emulation that would support REPL with file download was no picnic. I got it done eventually, but I would need to do the research again as I don\'t remember the many complications and tricks I had to pull off to get it to work. Or, on a Windows box, I can just use a remote desktop, done.

I suppose I could run a remote desktop so I can operate the rPi from the laptop, maybe? Again, I don\'t know and it would take a bunch of research.

Is this all out of date?

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[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

fredag den 11. marts 2022 kl. 19.16.09 UTC+1 skrev gnuarm.del...@gmail.com:

On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 12:01:09 PM UTC-5, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
fredag den 11. marts 2022 kl. 13.48.20 UTC+1 skrev gnuarm.del...@gmail.com:
On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 11:45:42 AM UTC-5, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
torsdag den 10. marts 2022 kl. 13.18.55 UTC+1 skrev John Doe:
The below description is pretty good but somewhat of an understatement.

There are LOTS of programs, very important programs, that do not run on
Linux.
how many people need much more than a browser and maybe an \"office\" suite?
Absolutely true, but they use them under Windows. Ask them to use a Linux machine and you have to start training all over again. That may not be more significant than updating to a new version of office tools, but it is an expense most companies won\'t suffer.
A few of those being able to run thru \"Wine\" or whatever makes little
difference, nobody wants their programs to run slower.
the difference is usually minor

Linux is a server operating system.
and many other things, it\'s greats for servers, desktops, all kind of embedded stuff
and there\'s about 3 billion Android devices
Beta was a better video tape format. Windows is what people use. Linux is for geeks and nerds. You know I\'m right.
when was the last time you tried something like ubuntu, 15 years ago?
You still fail to understand my point. WINDOWS USERS ARE NOT GOING TO TRY UBUNTU, because Windows is what they know and it works very well for them.

Here\'s an example. Everyone knows how to download an app from the web. Click the download link and run the file that shows up. Done.

Under Linux... well, uh, sudo apt get something? I only know that from using an rPi. Does Linux have automatic installation from a web site link? I dunno. Most other people don\'t either. It\'s not about whether it is easy or not. It\'s about what people know about it. Most people don\'t even know the name Linux, thinking you mean that character from Peanuts.

Most people who would want to have a music server or a file server know how to do things under Windows. They can find software on the web, open source or not, download and install it and get something to work. I remember using Win2K and finding a really useful web site on networking, World Of Windows Networking, WOWN. Someone bought the site and ruined it. But I had a home network up and running like clockwork. I struggled mightily to do the same thing with the rPi. Heck, just finding out how to run a terminal emulation that would support REPL with file download was no picnic. I got it done eventually, but I would need to do the research again as I don\'t remember the many complications and tricks I had to pull off to get it to work. Or, on a Windows box, I can just use a remote desktop, done.

I suppose I could run a remote desktop so I can operate the rPi from the laptop, maybe? Again, I don\'t know and it would take a bunch of research.

Is this all out of date?

yes

 

[Rick C]

On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 1:57:21 PM UTC-5, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:

fredag den 11. marts 2022 kl. 19.16.09 UTC+1 skrev gnuarm.del...@gmail.com:
On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 12:01:09 PM UTC-5, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
fredag den 11. marts 2022 kl. 13.48.20 UTC+1 skrev gnuarm.del...@gmail.com:
On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 11:45:42 AM UTC-5, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
torsdag den 10. marts 2022 kl. 13.18.55 UTC+1 skrev John Doe:
The below description is pretty good but somewhat of an understatement.

There are LOTS of programs, very important programs, that do not run on
Linux.
how many people need much more than a browser and maybe an \"office\" suite?
Absolutely true, but they use them under Windows. Ask them to use a Linux machine and you have to start training all over again. That may not be more significant than updating to a new version of office tools, but it is an expense most companies won\'t suffer.
A few of those being able to run thru \"Wine\" or whatever makes little
difference, nobody wants their programs to run slower.
the difference is usually minor

Linux is a server operating system.
and many other things, it\'s greats for servers, desktops, all kind of embedded stuff
and there\'s about 3 billion Android devices
Beta was a better video tape format. Windows is what people use. Linux is for geeks and nerds. You know I\'m right.
when was the last time you tried something like ubuntu, 15 years ago?
You still fail to understand my point. WINDOWS USERS ARE NOT GOING TO TRY UBUNTU, because Windows is what they know and it works very well for them.

Here\'s an example. Everyone knows how to download an app from the web. Click the download link and run the file that shows up. Done.

Under Linux... well, uh, sudo apt get something? I only know that from using an rPi. Does Linux have automatic installation from a web site link? I dunno. Most other people don\'t either. It\'s not about whether it is easy or not. It\'s about what people know about it. Most people don\'t even know the name Linux, thinking you mean that character from Peanuts.

Most people who would want to have a music server or a file server know how to do things under Windows. They can find software on the web, open source or not, download and install it and get something to work. I remember using Win2K and finding a really useful web site on networking, World Of Windows Networking, WOWN. Someone bought the site and ruined it. But I had a home network up and running like clockwork. I struggled mightily to do the same thing with the rPi. Heck, just finding out how to run a terminal emulation that would support REPL with file download was no picnic. I got it done eventually, but I would need to do the research again as I don\'t remember the many complications and tricks I had to pull off to get it to work. Or, on a Windows box, I can just use a remote desktop, done.

I suppose I could run a remote desktop so I can operate the rPi from the laptop, maybe? Again, I don\'t know and it would take a bunch of research.

Is this all out of date?
yes

Well, at least one part is not out of date. The fact that people know Windows and not Linux. So any product build that supports Windows has a ready base of Windows users compared to the much smaller market for Linux.

That\'s not changing anytime soon.

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[John Doe]

Rick C wrote:

Well, at least one part is not out of date. The fact that people know
Windows and not Linux. So any product build that supports Windows has a
ready base of Windows users compared to the much smaller market for
Linux.

That makes a big difference for peer support, too.

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Fri, 11 Mar 2022 10:16:00 -0800 (PST)) it happened Rick C
<gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
<84793350-1403-44bb-b428-593fc40fc427n@googlegroups.com>:

On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 12:01:09 PM UTC-5, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
fredag den 11. marts 2022 kl. 13.48.20 UTC+1 skrev gnuarm.del...@gmail.com:

On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 11:45:42 AM UTC-5, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:

torsdag den 10. marts 2022 kl. 13.18.55 UTC+1 skrev John Doe:
The below description is pretty good but somewhat of an understatement.


There are LOTS of programs, very important programs, that do not run
on
Linux.
how many people need much more than a browser and maybe an \"office\" suite?

Absolutely true, but they use them under Windows. Ask them to use a Linux
machine and you have to start training all over again. That may not be more
significant than updating to a new version of office tools, but it is an
expense most companies won\'t suffer.
A few of those being able to run thru \"Wine\" or whatever makes little

difference, nobody wants their programs to run slower.
the difference is usually minor

Linux is a server operating system.
and many other things, it\'s greats for servers, desktops, all kind of
embedded stuff
and there\'s about 3 billion Android devices
Beta was a better video tape format. Windows is what people use. Linux is
for geeks and nerds. You know I\'m right.
when was the last time you tried something like ubuntu, 15 years ago?

You still fail to understand my point. WINDOWS USERS ARE NOT GOING TO TRY UBUNTU,
because Windows is what they know and it works very well for them.

Here\'s
an example. Everyone knows how to download an app from the web. Click
the download link and run the file that shows up. Done.

Under Linux... well, uh, sudo apt get something? I only know that from using
an rPi. Does Linux have automatic installation from a web site link? I
dunno. Most other people don\'t either. It\'s not about whether it is easy
or not. It\'s about what people know about it. Most people don\'t even know
the name Linux, thinking you mean that character from Peanuts.

Most people who would want to have a music server or a file server know how
to do things under Windows. They can find software on the web, open source
or not, download and install it and get something to work. I remember using
Win2K and finding a really useful web site on networking, World Of Windows
Networking, WOWN. Someone bought the site and ruined it. But I had
a home network up and running like clockwork. I struggled mightily to do
the same thing with the rPi. Heck, just finding out how to run a terminal
emulation that would support REPL with file download was no picnic. I got
it done eventually, but I would need to do the research again as I don\'t remember
the many complications and tricks I had to pull off to get it to work.
Or, on a Windows box, I can just use a remote desktop, done.

I suppose I could run a remote desktop so I can operate the rPi from the laptop,
maybe? Again, I don\'t know and it would take a bunch of research.

Is this all out of date?

Well you could read - and ask in comp.sys.raspbery-pi
But google will tell you in a seoond, I use it all the time.

All these thing you just mentioned exist for Pi
That said I wrote most of my own,
from this newsreader to media player / music center to video stuff.
A LOT more - email client, irc client, navigtion program, some is on my website
In Debian (variant of that is raspi OS) apt-get install will
install things for you.
I run and program raspies all the time via SSH from my laptop as the keyboard
is faster than the other wireless ones I have here on the table connected to the raspberries.
I do have a 5 channel HDMI switch on a big monitor to select raspis or
security cameras or TV...
But those raspies are so fast even via ssh I can just watch video too that way.

Home network? 3 8 port switches here, everything wired:
http://panteltje.com/pub/computer_table_IMX_IMG_0679.JPG
old picture, more has been added.. more groundwarts

And, if you look close you can see several RTL-SDR USB sticks and antennas.
Everything talks to everything else.
And that in only downstairs in the back, upstairs is the soldering station and a big PC (seldom used these day).
The black PC is no longer used...
Its what you make of it.
This is a triple ssh example:
http://panteltje.com/pub/xgpspc_mon_via_ssh.gif
navigation server with receiver rt-sdr runs on PI address ..73
laptop is on ...20
I connect via ssh with ...96 (is also 95) from ....20
and start cient program xgpspc_mon (you could use web browser too, but this is faster smaller better)
and now have the display on the laptop I use to type this with my own editor in an other full screen xterm in my NewsFleX Usenet newsreader
and take a screenshot with
import -screen xgpspc_mon_via_ssh.gif
from that terminal (I have 9 virtual screens with 8 rxvt terminals open on the fvwm filemanager on the laptop)
and then send it to my webserver\'s \'pub\' directory in \'merrica via ssh like this:
#to_website2 xgpspc_mon_via_ssh.gif
so the world can see it.
You can just see an airplane coming in belonging to United Arab Emirates I think (UAE) likely heading for Germany.

Scripts is the solution to everything so you do not have to remember every detail of all the thousands of commands
zsh is a much more pleasant shell to use than bash at least for sysadmins.

 

[server]

Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:84793350-1403-44bb-b428-593fc40fc427n@googlegroups.com:

You still fail to understand my point. WINDOWS USERS ARE NOT
GOING TO TRY UBUNTU, because Windows is what they know and it
works very well for them.

You left out the word \"most\" or even \"some\".

MOST WINDOWS USERS

All caps boy. Crazy Mr. All caps boy.

 

[Rick C]

On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 3:04:25 PM UTC-5, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 11 Mar 2022 10:16:00 -0800 (PST)) it happened Rick C
gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote in
84793350-1403-44bb...@googlegroups.com>:
On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 12:01:09 PM UTC-5, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
fredag den 11. marts 2022 kl. 13.48.20 UTC+1 skrev gnuarm.del...@gmail..com:

On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 11:45:42 AM UTC-5, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:

torsdag den 10. marts 2022 kl. 13.18.55 UTC+1 skrev John Doe:
The below description is pretty good but somewhat of an understatement.


There are LOTS of programs, very important programs, that do not run
on
Linux.
how many people need much more than a browser and maybe an \"office\" suite?

Absolutely true, but they use them under Windows. Ask them to use a Linux
machine and you have to start training all over again. That may not be more
significant than updating to a new version of office tools, but it is an
expense most companies won\'t suffer.
A few of those being able to run thru \"Wine\" or whatever makes little

difference, nobody wants their programs to run slower.
the difference is usually minor

Linux is a server operating system.
and many other things, it\'s greats for servers, desktops, all kind of
embedded stuff
and there\'s about 3 billion Android devices
Beta was a better video tape format. Windows is what people use. Linux is
for geeks and nerds. You know I\'m right.
when was the last time you tried something like ubuntu, 15 years ago?

You still fail to understand my point. WINDOWS USERS ARE NOT GOING TO TRY UBUNTU,
because Windows is what they know and it works very well for them.

Here\'s
an example. Everyone knows how to download an app from the web. Click
the download link and run the file that shows up. Done.

Under Linux... well, uh, sudo apt get something? I only know that from using
an rPi. Does Linux have automatic installation from a web site link? I
dunno. Most other people don\'t either. It\'s not about whether it is easy
or not. It\'s about what people know about it. Most people don\'t even know
the name Linux, thinking you mean that character from Peanuts.

Most people who would want to have a music server or a file server know how
to do things under Windows. They can find software on the web, open source
or not, download and install it and get something to work. I remember using
Win2K and finding a really useful web site on networking, World Of Windows
Networking, WOWN. Someone bought the site and ruined it. But I had
a home network up and running like clockwork. I struggled mightily to do
the same thing with the rPi. Heck, just finding out how to run a terminal
emulation that would support REPL with file download was no picnic. I got
it done eventually, but I would need to do the research again as I don\'t remember
the many complications and tricks I had to pull off to get it to work.
Or, on a Windows box, I can just use a remote desktop, done.

I suppose I could run a remote desktop so I can operate the rPi from the laptop,
maybe? Again, I don\'t know and it would take a bunch of research.

Is this all out of date?
Well you could read - and ask in comp.sys.raspbery-pi

The conversation is here. I suppose you can call this a conversation.


> But google will tell you in a seoond, I use it all the time.

No, little is found through a web search in a \"second\". It often take many minutes or even hours to wade through the ever increasing dross to find a topic you are looking for. I was just trying to find the market cost of lithium carbonate and it brought up many pages telling me how great lithium batteries are or what\'s going on with the latest lithium powered gadget, etc.. God forbid you use a search term that is in the title of a song or movie, you\'ll never get past that.

All these thing you just mentioned exist for Pi
That said I wrote most of my own,
from this newsreader to media player / music center to video stuff.
A LOT more - email client, irc client, navigtion program, some is on my website
In Debian (variant of that is raspi OS) apt-get install will
install things for you.
I run and program raspies all the time via SSH from my laptop as the keyboard
is faster than the other wireless ones I have here on the table connected to the raspberries.
I do have a 5 channel HDMI switch on a big monitor to select raspis or
security cameras or TV...
But those raspies are so fast even via ssh I can just watch video too that way.

Home network? 3 8 port switches here, everything wired:
http://panteltje.com/pub/computer_table_IMX_IMG_0679.JPG
old picture, more has been added.. more groundwarts

And, if you look close you can see several RTL-SDR USB sticks and antennas.
Everything talks to everything else.
And that in only downstairs in the back, upstairs is the soldering station and a big PC (seldom used these day).
The black PC is no longer used...
Its what you make of it.
This is a triple ssh example:
http://panteltje.com/pub/xgpspc_mon_via_ssh.gif
navigation server with receiver rt-sdr runs on PI address ..73
laptop is on ...20
I connect via ssh with ...96 (is also 95) from ....20
and start cient program xgpspc_mon (you could use web browser too, but this is faster smaller better)
and now have the display on the laptop I use to type this with my own editor in an other full screen xterm in my NewsFleX Usenet newsreader
and take a screenshot with
import -screen xgpspc_mon_via_ssh.gif
from that terminal (I have 9 virtual screens with 8 rxvt terminals open on the fvwm filemanager on the laptop)
and then send it to my webserver\'s \'pub\' directory in \'merrica via ssh like this:
#to_website2 xgpspc_mon_via_ssh.gif
so the world can see it.
You can just see an airplane coming in belonging to United Arab Emirates I think (UAE) likely heading for Germany.

Scripts is the solution to everything so you do not have to remember every detail of all the thousands of commands
zsh is a much more pleasant shell to use than bash at least for sysadmins..

I don\'t really care what is available for Linux... well, not at the moment, although this conversation is making me want to fire up the rPi and pickup where I left off a few years ago.

My point is there is a market for people who would like to do some of the things you did, but using Windows because that\'s what they know. Why swim upstream and learn a new OS? Not everyone is a geek or wants to learn all the gory details of how to do the things you can do. I do a print screen by pressing a button on the keyboard, with the ALT key if I only want the window in focus rather than the whole screen. Why would I want to bother to learn \"import -screen xgpspc_mon_via_ssh.gif\"??? Learn it? I don\'t even want to type it! Click, click.

This is why people don\'t use DOS.

--

Rick C.

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