Math+ Protocol and no ventilators reduces CFR...

[Bill Sloman]

On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 11:45:59 AM UTC+10, bitrex wrote:

On 8/12/2020 9:29 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 8:16:11 AM UTC+10, Anthony Stewart wrote:
On Wed. 12 Aug.-20 6:09 p.m., bitrex wrote:
On 8/12/2020 5:57 PM, Tony Stewart wrote:
On Wed. 12 Aug.-20 4:16 p.m., bitrex wrote:

snip

Ah , here we can go to any hospital, free and if they find a better
surgeon available sooner, they\'ll send you if you can\'t go on your own
steam.

Why is the USA the only developed country without free healthcare?

No developed country has free health care, but most of them have universal health insurance, which means that you pay a fixed premium all your life and don\'t have to pay for medical attention when you need it.

The US doesn\'t have it, because it was invented by that arch-socialist, Otto von Bismarck

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Bismarck

and adopting it would violate their ideological purity, or that\'s the story that James Arthur likes to tell.

In reality, work-related health insurance is one of many devices US employers use to coerce their employees, and the US health insurance business creams off a lot of profit from insuring people against medical costs that are half again higher per head than they are in the most expensive parts of the rest of the developed world.

They spend some of these profits on paying lobbyists to block any legislation that might derail their gravy train. The battle against Obamacare is a case in point. James Arthur posted a lot of their propaganda here while that battle was going on, and it was obviously designed to be deceptive and misleading, as I had fun pointing out.

It\'s a pretty pitiful amount of net profit, too. Apple makes nearly 3
times as much net as all the private health insurance companies
combined. a fraction of one percent of GDP. The lions share of it goes
to the bank accounts of maybe 500 top executives.

it\'s a salami-slicing operation.

If you devote most of your profits to over-paying your top executives, they don\'t show up as net profits distributed to share-holders.

One of the obvious driver of US income inequality is the enormous salaries that end up in the pockets of the top executives.

https://www.epi.org/publication/ceo-compensation-2018/

These are the people who decide how much of the company income gets paid to lobbyists.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 13/08/20 02:12, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 5:48:04 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 14:54:25 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 8/12/2020 2:14 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 13:48:57 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 8/12/2020 1:38 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 8/12/2020 1:27 PM, Anthony Stewart wrote:

snip

There\'s no magic for you, don\'t expect it.

Of course I experience magic. It\'s sad that you don\'t seem to.

As Arthur C. Clarke pointed out, any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic

Damn. You beat me to it

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 12/08/20 23:24, Tony Stewart wrote:

On Wed. 12 Aug.-20 6:20 p.m., bitrex wrote:
Because if everyone gets it then the blacks get it too and there are millions
of Americans who\'d rather die than ever give a darkie a penny of their own
money, for anything

One of many reasons I\'d rather not be American. Albeit nice place to visit. Many
of my relatives would rather not travel there due to attitudes, minority or not.

My parents emigrated by boat to Pittsburg when I was 6 weeks old.
My mother still has my father\'s \"US Steel\" lapel badge.

They chose to return when I was 18 months old.

Nuff said.

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 12/08/20 23:26, bitrex wrote:

On 8/12/2020 6:24 PM, Tony Stewart wrote:
On Wed. 12 Aug.-20 6:20 p.m., bitrex wrote:
Because if everyone gets it then the blacks get it too and there are millions
of Americans who\'d rather die than ever give a darkie a penny of their own
money, for anything

One of many reasons I\'d rather not be American. Albeit nice place to visit.
Many of my relatives would rather not travel there due to attitudes, minority
or not.

It has its ups and downs. There are patriots who are honest about the latter,
and \"patriots\" who tell themselves stories.

Yup.

Mensch is mensch, the whole world over.

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 13/08/20 02:29, Bill Sloman wrote:

In reality, work-related health insurance is one of many devices US employers
use to coerce their employees, and the US health insurance business creams
off a lot of profit from insuring people

Absolutely correct on both counts.

That\'s *precisely* what happens.

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 12/08/20 23:28, Tony Stewart wrote:

> What are you doing to make yourself in a younger category?

You can put yourself into a younger category than the average
male, simply by being female. That reduces your \"covid age\"
by 5 years. That figure is \"moderately robust\".

You can also increase your age by the factors (e.g. ethnicity,
BMI, hypertension, cancers etc) given at
https://alama.org.uk/covid-19-medical-risk-assessment/
but it notes many figures are \"provisional\"

 

[Ricketty C]

On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 2:14:44 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 13:48:57 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 8/12/2020 1:38 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 8/12/2020 1:27 PM, Anthony Stewart wrote:
As I stated previously and received critical feedback for lack of
evidence on the treatment protocol with Vit C etc,  the author of the
MATH+ protocol at EVMU indicated his patient recovery was 6.1% vs the
average of all hospitals at 24%.

Take any value you wish from this.  https://youtu.be/xZJixjgu3tk


It\'s amusing and sad a lot of Americans seem to think they\'re going to
go into a hospital when they\'re ill and order anyone around as to what
treatment or standard of care they receive.

at least one commenter seems to get it:

\"As a layperson living in a COVID19 hotspot (South Florida), how do I go
about finding a medical care facility or medical practitioners that are
using the MATH+ protocol in the event that I, or someone in my family,
becomes infected with the virus? It is all well and good for us to
understand a treatment regimen that appear effective, but what good is
it if you cant find someone that is actually applying this protocol?\"

Also probably get better treatment in general in areas with medical
facilities that aren\'t flooded with other arrogant mask-freedom
social-distancing-denalists who think doctors have fucking magic if
anything should happens.

Wow. What an attitude.

I swear, Larkin can complain about others\' posts all he wants, but he can just as easily not engage those who he accuses of being so ill tempered, no? I still say he doesn\'t come here for the huntin\'.

--

Rick C.

- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Martin Brown]

On 12/08/2020 23:28, Tony Stewart wrote:

\"

I suspect your hospital won\'t find any answers and they won\'t tell you
their CFR either.  (Case Fatality Rate)

You have a right to know.

These are the CFR\'s for our province of Ontario.

 10% average

Age  CFR(%, adjusted censoring)
80+  37%
70\'s 21%
60\'s 6.5%
50\'s 2.0%
40\'s 0.7%
30\'s 0.3%
20\'s 0.1%
20   0


What are you doing to make yourself in a younger category?

They seem biassed to only count serious cases that end up in hospital.

UK MRC national UK data shows average values between a factor of two and
two orders of magnitude lower for the more reasonable measure of IFR.


Age Median 95% CrI (lower) 95% CrI (upper)
1 Overall 1.4% 1% 1.8%
2 <1yr,1-4 0.00052% 5.5e-05% 0.0017%
3 5-14 0.0013% 7e-04% 0.0022%
4 15-24 0.0045% 0.0029% 0.0068%
5 25-44 0.031% 0.023% 0.039%
6 45-64 0.46% 0.35% 0.58%
7 65-74 3.1% 2.3% 3.9%
8 75+ 18% 14% 23%

Source
https://www.mrc-bsu.cam.ac.uk/now-casting/report-on-nowcasting-and-forecasting-6th-august-2020/

Select the IFR tab on Epidemic Summary. A new one is due out today.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[server]

On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 07:35:39 +0100, Tom Gardner
<spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 13/08/20 02:12, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 5:48:04 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 14:54:25 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 8/12/2020 2:14 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 13:48:57 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 8/12/2020 1:38 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 8/12/2020 1:27 PM, Anthony Stewart wrote:

snip

There\'s no magic for you, don\'t expect it.

Of course I experience magic. It\'s sad that you don\'t seem to.

As Arthur C. Clarke pointed out, any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic

Damn. You beat me to it

As Larkin pointed out,

To any sufficiently intelligent being, everything is obvious.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

 

[server]

On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 18:24:45 -0400, Tony Stewart
<tony.sunnysky@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed. 12 Aug.-20 6:20 p.m., bitrex wrote:
Because if everyone gets it then the blacks get it too and there are
millions of Americans who\'d rather die than ever give a darkie a penny
of their own money, for anything

One of many reasons I\'d rather not be American. Albeit nice place to
visit. Many of my relatives would rather not travel there due to
attitudes, minority or not.

We just did our annual raise+bonus review. The biggest bumps go to a
quiet black kid who turned out to be a genius at some aspects of
electronics.

He is the only black person who has ever applied for an engineering
position at our company, or any position in my memory.

America is a great place to design electronics. We seem to do it
multiples better and faster than certain european countries that I
could name. That has to do with attitudes too.





--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 2020-08-13 02:35, Tom Gardner wrote:

On 13/08/20 02:12, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 5:48:04 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 14:54:25 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 8/12/2020 2:14 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 13:48:57 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 8/12/2020 1:38 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 8/12/2020 1:27 PM, Anthony Stewart wrote:

snip

There\'s no magic for you, don\'t expect it.

Of course I experience magic. It\'s sad that you don\'t seem to.

As Arthur C. Clarke pointed out, any sufficiently advanced technology
is indistinguishable from magic

Damn. You beat me to it

My inspiration is the corollary,

\"Any technology that is distinguishable from magic is insufficiently
advanced.\"

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 2020-08-13 02:40, Tom Gardner wrote:

On 12/08/20 23:24, Tony Stewart wrote:
On Wed. 12 Aug.-20 6:20 p.m., bitrex wrote:
Because if everyone gets it then the blacks get it too and there are
millions of Americans who\'d rather die than ever give a darkie a
penny of their own money, for anything

One of many reasons I\'d rather not be American. Albeit nice place to
visit. Many of my relatives would rather not travel there due to
attitudes, minority or not.

My parents emigrated by boat to Pittsburg when I was 6 weeks old.
My mother still has my father\'s \"US Steel\" lapel badge.

They chose to return when I was 18 months old.

Nuff said.

We\'re happy about that too.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

[server]

On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 12:34:43 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 2020-08-13 02:40, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 12/08/20 23:24, Tony Stewart wrote:
On Wed. 12 Aug.-20 6:20 p.m., bitrex wrote:
Because if everyone gets it then the blacks get it too and there are
millions of Americans who\'d rather die than ever give a darkie a
penny of their own money, for anything

One of many reasons I\'d rather not be American. Albeit nice place to
visit. Many of my relatives would rather not travel there due to
attitudes, minority or not.

My parents emigrated by boat to Pittsburg when I was 6 weeks old.
My mother still has my father\'s \"US Steel\" lapel badge.

They chose to return when I was 18 months old.

Nuff said.

We\'re happy about that too.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

I\'ll gladly stand on the dock and wave a hanky.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 13/08/20 18:03, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 12:34:43 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 2020-08-13 02:40, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 12/08/20 23:24, Tony Stewart wrote:
On Wed. 12 Aug.-20 6:20 p.m., bitrex wrote:
Because if everyone gets it then the blacks get it too and there are
millions of Americans who\'d rather die than ever give a darkie a
penny of their own money, for anything

One of many reasons I\'d rather not be American. Albeit nice place to
visit. Many of my relatives would rather not travel there due to
attitudes, minority or not.

My parents emigrated by boat to Pittsburg when I was 6 weeks old.
My mother still has my father\'s \"US Steel\" lapel badge.

They chose to return when I was 18 months old.

Nuff said.

We\'re happy about that too.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

I\'ll gladly stand on the dock and wave a hanky.

You\'re both a bit late to the party, I\'m afraid :}

 

[bitrex]

On 8/13/2020 10:26 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 18:24:45 -0400, Tony Stewart
tony.sunnysky@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed. 12 Aug.-20 6:20 p.m., bitrex wrote:
Because if everyone gets it then the blacks get it too and there are
millions of Americans who\'d rather die than ever give a darkie a penny
of their own money, for anything

One of many reasons I\'d rather not be American. Albeit nice place to
visit. Many of my relatives would rather not travel there due to
attitudes, minority or not.

We just did our annual raise+bonus review. The biggest bumps go to a
quiet black kid who turned out to be a genius at some aspects of
electronics.

He is the only black person who has ever applied for an engineering
position at our company, or any position in my memory.

America is a great place to design electronics. We seem to do it
multiples better and faster than certain european countries that I
could name. That has to do with attitudes too.

A die-hard Trumper wonders why black persons don\'t apply for positions
at his company more often. Well...

 

[bitrex]

On 8/12/2020 6:28 PM, Tony Stewart wrote:

\"

I suspect your hospital won\'t find any answers and they won\'t tell you
their CFR either.  (Case Fatality Rate)

You have a right to know.

These are the CFR\'s for our province of Ontario.

 10% average

Age  CFR(%, adjusted censoring)
80+  37%
70\'s 21%
60\'s 6.5%
50\'s 2.0%
40\'s 0.7%
30\'s 0.3%
20\'s 0.1%
20   0


What are you doing to make yourself in a younger category?

Vigorous sex with attractive women 8-10 years younger than myself on the
regular.

I mean I don\'t know that it\'s better than any other type of physical
exercise one should be doing regularly but it is psychologically important.

 

[bitrex]

On 8/13/2020 2:43 AM, Tom Gardner wrote:

On 13/08/20 02:29, Bill Sloman wrote:
In reality, work-related health insurance is one of many devices US
employers
use to coerce their employees, and the US health insurance business
creams
off a lot of profit from insuring people

Absolutely correct on both counts.

That\'s *precisely* what happens.

They say the Canadians have it worse but on just about any hospital on
Google reviews you check out you can find lots of reviews like this one
which just happened to make me chuckle:

<https://imgur.com/a/SVgkGQT>

This is in an area of the US generally agreed to have one of the best
health-care industries in the country.

 

[Tony Stewart]

On Thu. 13 Aug.-20 9:43 p.m., bitrex wrote:

They say the Canadians have it worse but on just about any hospital on
Google reviews you check out you can find lots of reviews like this one

Who is they? certainly not WHO.

Canada\'s daily deaths are < 5% of when it was peak like the tail end of
a bell curve.

vs USA still on their 2nd wave at about 33% of their max daily death rate.

Total CV19 deaths

CDN = 9k projected to 10.4k Dec 1
USA = 165k and projected to 300K Dec 1 That should help Biden get in.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Friday, August 14, 2020 at 12:17:06 AM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 07:35:39 +0100, Tom Gardner
spam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 13/08/20 02:12, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 5:48:04 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 14:54:25 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 8/12/2020 2:14 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 13:48:57 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 8/12/2020 1:38 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 8/12/2020 1:27 PM, Anthony Stewart wrote:

snip

There\'s no magic for you, don\'t expect it.

Of course I experience magic. It\'s sad that you don\'t seem to.

As Arthur C. Clarke pointed out, any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic

Damn. You beat me to it

As Larkin pointed out,

To any sufficiently intelligent being, everything is obvious.

Eventually. Proving that something is obvious can take quite a while, and collecting enough data about what is going on to make the process obvious isn\'t quick. It\'s called science, and John Larkin doesn\'t seem to know much about it.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Tony Stewart]

On Thu. 13 Aug.-20 6:02 p.m., bitrex wrote:

Vigorous sex with attractive women 8-10 years younger than myself on the
regular.

There\'s no vaccine for Herpes. It\'s for life just suppressed with
antibiotics.