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[Dave]

Ray L. Volts <raylvolts@SPAMRIDhotmail.com> wrote in message
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I've checked the other stores (EPO, ACE, etc.) to see if they
picked the stuff up. Apparently they didn't, so I have no idea where
all
those goodies ended up.

If you find out where all those goodies went, please post it. I am also
in
the Houston area. I am still in shock over the news that Electrotex
closed
it's doors. The times, they are a-changing.

Luckily, the RS down the street from my house still has some parts.
Don't
know what I'm going to do when they run out and EPO shuts down.

Dave
db5151@hotmail.com


I was also floored when Electrotex called it quits. They had so many
commercial/industrial customers that I figured those alone would keep them
going.

And I lost a good source of repair parts and materials when ECD on
Bissonnet
shifted their focus to satellite video and studio audio sales. At least
we
still have O&E, for now.

Both of the EPO's are always full of people when I go in, so maybe they'll
stick around a while longer.

EPO on Fondren is my lifeboat. I'll probaly be buying a new soldering iron
there tomorrow. I discovered I have one more solder connection to make on
the Uniden CB, and plugged in the old Unger. It got a little warm, and then
cooled off again. I know I have a spare around here somewhere, but it's the
cheap piece of crap I bought the Unger to replace. Don't trust it. sigh
I'll probably pick up some more jumper clips while I'm there (ran out of
those today- needed six and only had four.) And anything else I can think
of. It feels good to be getting my electronics shop back together. Now if
I can just fint that old Citiphone (sp?).

Dave
db5151@hotmail.com

 

[ActualGeek]

In article <be0tb2$2mq$1@reader10.wxs.nl>,
"Bill Sloman" <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

"ActualGeek" <ActualGeek@no.real.address> wrote in message
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In article <7c584d27.0307021625.1eaa0c11@posting.google.com>,
bill.sloman@ieee.org (Bill Sloman) wrote:


That Nobel prize was a scandal.

Which one? Just about every time the nobel prize goes to a
free-marketer.

That nitwit from Chicago, Milton Friedman

http://www.nobel.se/economics/laureates/1976/

The most recent Nobel Prize in Economics went to a couple of guys who
actually looked at how markets worked, as as opposed to assuming that they
work perfectly. If you want to include them in the catagory of "free
marketer" along with Milton Friedman, your credibility goes down the tubes.

You're talkign about the CATO fellows? If you think CATO fellows are
anti-free market, your credibility... doesn't change.

They work with an unrealistic theory which doesn't
predict worth a damn,

Except that history disagrees.

Come on, produce the historical example of a market where monetarist
economics could actually predict what was going to happen. You shouldn't
have to go back for more than a few hundred years.

The US and Europe for the last 100 years. Austrian economics (and its
predecesors) has had it pegged

Letting them loose on more or less modern industrial societies is
irresponsible. I'm painfully aware what Thatcher' irrational enthusiasm for
monetarism cost the British economy - I was there all the way through it.

England is a socialist system, not a capitalist one. That she was
unable to achieve captitalism does not undermine the improvements she's
made. Note that her opposition to the EU was based on her prediction
that they would become a central government of europe and deprive all
europeans of basic human rights. And here it is, years later, and they
are about to pass a constitution that does exactly that!

They functioned as the fifth horseman of the Apocalypse in Chile - after the
U.S. had engineered the over-throw and assassination of the democratically
elected President Allende, they sent in monetarist economists to grind the
faces of the poor who had elected him. It cost the fat cat collaborators in
terms of the speed of economic recovery, but it did suit their ideological
prejudices.

UH, the Chilean economy finally came out of the doldrums after the
Chicago 8 went there and is still going strong, you idiot.

Furthermore, Allende had suspended the constitution, and thus the
"Democratically elected" bit is pure bullshit.

But then, you have never been one for caring for history.

Oh, and the poor people in Chile? They are big fans of capitalism.
Everywhere you go they are selling cigarrettes, or gum, or bottles of
coke, and other stuff. You couldnt' do that here, without permits from
a half dozen agencies, and not at all if you're under 18. I bought a
couple packs of Chilean cigarrettes from 15 or 16 year olds while I was
there. I'm sure you're going to tell me I ruined their lives, eh?

Pinochet was a dictator, but he was a better dictator than the one he
replaced. At least Chile didn't have the mass slaughters and mass
graves that socialists like yourself have wrought everywhere else they
have come to power... like nicaragua, cuba, china, ussr, korea, etc. etc.

You think you can just make shit up about history and not be called on
it? When was the last time YOU were in Chile, by the way?

They made a total mess of the economic reorganisation of East Europe and
Russia after the fall of communism.

Uh, no. The russians did that. The idea that former USSR states are
capitalist is absurd.

The bizarre idea that waving the
free-market magic wand over a bunch of ageing and under-capitalised
factories could bring them up to western standards "in a single bound"
worked exactly as well as any sensible person would expect - most of the
factories were shut down, the employees became un-employed and the
organisations became worthless.

They were already worthless. Capitalism is no magic, despite your
insistance that it must be in order to not be a fraud. Capitalism
works, always, but it must be tried. When you do not remove the
impediments to free trade and human rights, you do not have capitalism.

All those states are kleptocracies and they will continue to do poorly.
they are great examples of the failure of your ideology, not mine.

I have the greatest success in history on my side- India. Of course
,there's also the first 100 years of the USA.

In some exceptional cases, the factories were up-graded with western
capital, which allowed them to continue to exploit the expertise of the
workers, and of the existing distribution networks, effectively salvaging
most of the intellectual capital which had been built up in these
organisations.

Yeah, if they are shut tdown the workers are laid off and thats bad. If
they are upgraded then the workers are exploited, and that's bad too!

You're contradicting yourself.

If the monetarist economists hadn't been so ridiculously intellectually
lazy, they would have proposed a phased introduction of the free market,
behind the sort of tariff barriers the U.S.used to protect its early
industrialisation in the nineteenth century, (and which Japan, Korea and
China have used with considerable success since then) which would have given
many more factories the chance to up-grade to meet the standards of the
western free market.

You need to stop regurgitating propaganda you've swallowed and start
thinking for yourself. You're repeating yourself and not making much
sense, either.

 

[ActualGeek]

In article <be12gv$4jt$1@reader10.wxs.nl>,
"Bill Sloman" <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

"ActualGeek" <ActualGeek@no.real.address> wrote in message
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In article <7c584d27.0306290900.617c90be@posting.google.com>,
bill.sloman@ieee.org (Bill Sloman) wrote:

Well, if that's true then Paul Krugman is not an economist. The
instabilities in currency are due to these very same people who try to
"control" the market inflating the currency beyond all reason.

Currency speculators and the managers of hedge funds?

The government and the fed.

As to the instabilities in the market, they are due also to these people
trying to control the economy.

If you say so. Where is your evidence?

Lets see, in 1913 the Federal Reserve-- the nations third Central Bank--
was formed, and in 1929 we had the greatest stock crash ever.

The first two central banks failed much quicker... but the fed is still
around destroying our economy.

There is no reason to believe that the free market needs to be smoothed
out-- in fact the boom / bust cycle came from exactly this kind of
central planning... before it, the economy was much smoother.

And the Great Depression of the early 1930's never happened. It wasn't the
first of it's kind, but it was a good deal more dramatic than its
predecessors.

Yes, and it came about 16 years after the formation of the Federal
Reserve.

The Fed, remember, was supposed to save us from things like the stock
crash of 1929 and the depression that followed.

Once again, Government is a disease masquarading as its own cure.

Right wing clap-trap.

Government never does a good job at anything-- after all, the worse
things get the more it can put the squeeze on people for more money.

Thus, government is a disease masquarading as its own cure.

Can you name a single important social problem that the US government
has solved? (Things solved by private companies do not count.)

But whats' amasing is the slave mentality you have-- you just assume
that other people have the right to control your life. Why?

The choice is between a local protection racket and a democratically elected
representative government. I prefer the lesser of the two evils.

No, you choose evil over good.

The more-or-less free market system works reasonably well with very
imperfect information. A system that used a greater proportion of the data
that is now collected should be able to work better. Designing such a system
would be non-trivial.

Where by non-trivial you mean impossible, yes. Centralized planning
never works. The free market workse fairly well. But any alternative
--- one that necessarily removes FREEDOM-- will suffer from
inefficiencies as people rebel against having their FREEDOM taken away.

History tells us that the only rational thing they can do is take a
hands off approach.

History tells you that - but you don't know enough history to be aware of
the 1929 stock market crash and the subsequent depression. Those who don't
know history are condemned to repeat it.

You are an idiot. But you force me to ammend my statements-- those who
know and COMPREHEND history recognize that the only rational approach is
the free market in specific, and freedom in general.

The alternative-- your alternative-- is always fascism in one form or
another.

But that's not popular with fascists like yourself, is it?

You will have to look fairly hard to find a fascist like me. The only extant

All of them are like you. All fascists have a single identical
characteristic-- opposition to human rights.

You want to enslave and starve the world, you want to take away human
rights. you are advocating the policies previous fascists have put into
effect.

The word fits.

I follow Keynes in the opinion that the free-market economy is inherently
unstable, and observe that his preferred system of damping these
instabilities via the central banks did seem to work. This strikes me as a

Yeah, by your standards the Great Depression was a success!

You seem to have this binary picture of the world - everything that isn't
free-market capitalism is socialism and thus bad.

There is letting people live and there is killing them. That's my
binary view of hte world. I recognize that some people just try to
injure people instead of kill them ouright... but I don't cut a lot of
slack for those types.

In fact there are lots of versions of modified free-market capitalism,
almost all of which work better than the totally hands-off scheme that gave
us the great depression, and there are a whole bunch of systems of

That you must lie about history shows you know your position to be a
fraudulent one. (or you are too ignorant to waste time arguing with.)

cooperation, some of them described - very misleadingly - as anarchism,
which might just work better than our current system, granting really good
information systems.

There would be no government in anarchism. Thus there would be no
central control over the economy. Thus you would have a totally free
market economy.

I don't. What I said was that we can now collect a lot more
information than just the cash transfer for every transaction, and if
we could find a way of making this information available outside the
firms who collect the data for their own use, we should be able to
devise a *distributed* control system that ought to be more stable,
and could run a lot closer to full capacity.

Impossible, because what you desire requires omniscience and the ability
to see the future.

The current modified free-market systems work reasonably well without these
advantages, and with only a restricted set of the information that is now
available within commercial organisations. Try and get your head around this
point - it one that I have been trying to get over to you for some time now,
but it looks as if you are a little too preprogrammed to be able to
accomodate the concept.

Is just the ludicrous excuse of those who want to enslave everyone.
Don't fall for such a patently obvious lie.

Er. Who wants to enslave everybody? How does setting up a more flexible and
more nearly optimal economic system make everybody slaves? Who is producing
patently ludicrous lies?

You are, and you do. You want to force everyone to live as you see
fit-- to get paid what YOU think they should get paid-- lest they be
exploited. etc.

You don't like the repercussions of what you advocate, stop advocating
it.

Every centrally planned economy in the history of the world has
failed,
or been far less successful than less centrally planned economies of
similar conditions.

Since I'm not arguing for a centrally planned economy

Yes, you are. That is exactly what you're arguing for. You just claim
it isn't. Any economy which is controlled by the government or any
entity outside the owners of the companies in the economy is a centrally
planned economy.

Then you too live in a centrally planned economy, and all we are arguing
about is which centrally planned economy is least worst.

In fact I'm interested in decentrallised control mechanisms, analogous the
the decentrallised access control of the original Ethernet protocol. What

You mean, only one good can be traded at a time, and the whole economy
shuts down to wait for it to finish trading? That's a pretty stupid
protocol.

Once again, I am reminded that you have no clue what you're talking
about/

little I know about the "anarchist" social philosophy suggests that this is
their kind of thing.

Again, you don't seem to comprehend the definition of anarchism.
Without government, who would insure the employees weren't
"exploited"???

that failed in the USSR. In so far as China, Japan and Korea have more
central planning than India, and grew their economies twice as fast
during the catch-up phase, some central planning would seem to be a
good idea.

You have been reading a bunch of lies, and now you are repeating the m
to me! Hell, you act as if korea were one country.

South Korea is one country. North Korea hasn't got an economy worthy of the
name.

And yet, as a command control economy, its the epitome of your ideology.

Just look at what's happened in India in the last 20 years since they
gave up central planning and curtailed government interference-- they
have doubled the incomes, on average, of a billion people.

Doubling over 20 years is a growth rate of 3.5% per year - respectable
for a third world economy catching-up, but half the rate achieved by
Japan, Korea and China during their catch-up phases.

Now you're just flat out lying. I didn't say the economy doubled, I
said the INCOME of the average person doubled.

I didn't say anything about the economy doubling, I just said that the
growth rate (by implication in average income) was respectable, but about
half than that achieved by Japan, (South) Korea and China, when their
economies were catching up.

A claim you keep making, but you have never bothered to back up. Admit
it, you're lying. (Or put up the numbers. Mine can be had at the
indian governments website.)

So where is this "flat out lie"? Find your own numbers via google as I did
if you think I'm making a false claim.

Yet you didn't post them. Curious.

Frankly, capitalism is the cure for poverty, and it works every time.

If so, why does it work so poorly in the U.S.A., where the poorest 30
or 40 million have been slipping back since Regan started dismantling
welfare?

A lie based on a lie.

And your counter-evidence is? I was directly quoting Paul Krugman, but I've
seen similar figures in Scientific American.
Who is your authority. Bob Jones?

Ah, so you were plagerizing a lie! Do you know about the logical
fallacy of argument from authority?

The poor have been doing better since Reagan.

According to?

And it has generally done well in America, with the exception of the
fact that the government takes half of everyone's income and essentially
destroys it.

Since it spends large chunk of the tax income on a fatuously oversized
military machine, this is a difficult proposition to entirely disagree with.
But some of the money spent on the military is justifiable - you need
defence forces, as well as police forces, diplomatic services, highways,
air-traffic control, the FDA, the NBS and a whole long list of services
which depend on your tax dollars.

The right wing enthusiasm for privatisation ignores (as usual) the lessons
of history. In the U.K. Thatcher privatised a whole lot of stuff which had
started off as private companies in Victorian times and been taken over by
the municipalities and later the central government because the commercial
services didn't work very well. And -guess what - they don't work very well
now that they have been re-privatised a hundred years later. The railways
are a particularly salient case in point.

Gee, could it be that they are saddled with too much regultion? No! It
must be because they are private!

How is it that you are always able to get food, if private industry is
so incompetant?

Yet every service provided by government is poorly delivered and costs
far too much.

Hard to have the benefits of capitalism when the govenrment destroys
half the value.

Or, put another way, since 1913 this country as been increasingly a
socialist country.

But you've done very well, even so.

The European version of the capitalist economy includes a rather
better welfare system, which pays off in better educated and
eventually more productive workers. Will Hutton's "The World We're In"

And yet their economies are growing much slower.

At which particular instant? Name your date and the corresponding growth
figures.

other subjects, and paints a picture of the U.S.A. that doesn't fit
with what you were taught in civics in primary school (which is now
long out of date).

Again, by definition you tell a lie-- you don't know what I was taught
in primary school or how long ago it was.

I don't know when you were in primary school, but you can't have got the
over-simplified clap-trap that you peddle any later in your academic career,
and what you peddle is clearly way past its sell-by date.

I don't think that what I wrote can be characterised as a lie. You do tend
to to mis-parse sentences and describe your misintepretation as a lie, which
is not a nice way to behave.

On the contrary, you just make shit up and expect us to believe it.
Either that or you're getting it out of a book from a guy who made shit
up.

If you line up companies in a row based on the standard of living of the
poorest 10% of the country, you'll find that the more socialist they
are, the lower the poors standard of living, and the more capitalist,
the higher.

That's the fact, jack.

That is an opinion, jack, unsupported by any facts. Go find some. You'll
misinterpret them, and I'll have a great deal of fun revealing your
intellectual inadequacies. You still do better than Precious Pup, but you
could with more factual knowledge.

Since you have repeatedly made grosse errors of fact-- statmeents about
Chile, about the Great Depression, etc, and have failed to make an
arugment other than strining along a lot of pointles insults, I'm
starting to conclude that you are nothing but a troll.

IT is time for you to put up, and start citing some real facts. Notice
your idiot author does not back up his claims. Gee, I wonder why that
is?

Put up, or be ignored.

-----
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

 

[R. Steve Walz]

ActualGeek wrote:

but the fed is still around destroying our economy.

Thus, government is a disease masquarading as its own cure.
---------------------

It's more likely wealth which is the pretender in this regard.

Can you name a single important social problem that the US government
has solved? (Things solved by private companies do not count.)
---------------------

Since they don't exist. Govt has had NO chance to "fix" anything,
since it is not given free-reign to do so, it is always sabotaged
by the rich trying to get their taxes back with political dishonesty.

But whats' amasing is the slave mentality you have-- you just assume
that other people have the right to control your life. Why?
--------------------------

Because they do! They have the power, and that GIVES them the right!
All the good people do YOU by that power you selectively ignore! But
you would have NOTHING you could hold onto without others choosing to
defend your wealth. Property and rights are ENTIRELY DERIVED from
Democracy! They owe it their total fealty and self-moderation thereof.

No, you choose evil over good.
-------------------------

No, YOU do.

Centralized planning never works.
----------------------------

You have NOT shown this, you PERHAPS have shown that centralized
stealing from the people by the rich demoralizes them and collapses
their economy sooner or later, but that's all, and you won't LIKE
that! But an end to all centralized stealing would be the end of
capitalism/feudalism and the beginning of a golden age!

The free market workse fairly well.
---------------------------

Nonsense, it STEALS fairly well. It neither "works" in the sense
of benefitting any but the rich, nor does it do this efficiently.
If it were to operate efficiently it would have to do so consciously
instead of by unconscious blind greed. It would have to submit public
policy regarding the division of wealth to Democratic control, and
accept common I.T. means of data gathering to determine what PEOPLE
want, insteasd of trying to tell THEM what they want!

But any alternative
--- one that necessarily removes FREEDOM-- will suffer from
inefficiencies as people rebel against having their FREEDOM taken away.
----------------------------

You have no "freedom". You have no freedom of speech unless we want
to hear you, because if you show up and harangue us you'll be arrested
for peace-disturbance, if you chase us around bothering us we have you
arrested for harrassment, the only place you can speak your mind is
either at home, alone, or only where some of US WANT to HEAR YOU!

You have no freedom of religion if you annoy us with your crap, and
if you decide your religion tells you to do things we regard as abusive
we put your ass in prison, so you have no real freedom anyway, it's
all a sham!

What you DO have is the freedom to be like the rest of us, and to seek
enjoyment as we do! But that's because we GIVE that to you!!

History tells us that the only rational thing they can do is take a
hands off approach.

History tells you that - but you don't know enough history to be aware of
the 1929 stock market crash and the subsequent depression. Those who don't
know history are condemned to repeat it.
-------------------

Your knowledge of history is twisted!

You are an idiot. But you force me to ammend my statements-- those who
know and COMPREHEND history recognize that the only rational approach is
the free market in specific, and freedom in general.

The alternative-- your alternative-- is always fascism in one form or
another.
-------------------------

Nonsense, your theft IS the ONLY fascism!

But that's not popular with fascists like yourself, is it?

You will have to look fairly hard to find a fascist like me. The only extant

All of them are like you. All fascists have a single identical
characteristic-- opposition to human rights.
-----------------------------

Do blather on!

You want to enslave and starve the world, you want to take away human
rights.
-----------------

Nope, that is, obviously, what Capitalism wants, WE are the Cure!!
Steve

 

[paul s]

Tweetldee wrote:

Well, I guess the death knell has sounded for the Shack as a source for
experimenter and hobbyist parts. I went into a relatively new store (open
less than a year) today to get a few resistors that I need in a hurry.
What
did I find? Not a resistor, capacitor, transistor, IC, switch, fuse, or
anything that would be considered an electronic component was to be found.
They had all kinds of TV coax, TV connectors, cell phones, home phones,
phone accessories, satellite TV equipment, expensive toys, and a few
stereo
"systems", but but not an electronic component in sight. They had wire,
solder, soldering irons, and such, but nothing to solder the wires to.
They don't even carry the small project boxes any more.
They're looking more like the electronics section in WalMart every day.
Ooops, I take that back... the Shack's prices are 40-100% above what
you'll pay for the same item at WalMart.

Adios Radio Shack !! RIP

Im from the UK, and we use to have Tandy/Rat Shack in nearly every high
street and shopping mall. And about 5 years ago the UK operation was taken
over by Carphone Whorehouse (no more components, no more soldering irons,
no more 100-in-1 construction kits, just mobile phones and accesories).

But nine months ago a local satellite TV shop and dealer here in Bristol,
managed to get a Rat Shack franchise and he was selling quite a good range
of Rat Shack electronic components, metal detectors, radios, etc. the shop
ceased trading three months later, no one bought anything.
--
Paul S

 

[PC]

In article <d0e744c9.0307032109.2e9bc73d@posting.google.com>, leeroth@my-
deja.com says...

Bert Hickman <bert.hickman@delete_this.aquila.net> wrote in message news:<3F01024A.7000706@delete_this.aquila.net>...

Hi Adrian,

Here's a likely scenario:
...

I told Unkle Jake not to put pennies in the fusebox anymore,
now he's gonna have to buy the electric company a new
xformer! ;^}

They'll probably sell that transformer on eBay soon.

 

[Watson A.Name - 'Watt Sun]

In article <3f035663$1_1@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>,
nospamplease@addressinvalid.com mentioned...

"Mark Fergerson" <mfergerson1@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3F03497A.5050103@cox.net...

I was wondering why you advised me to quit, but kept on
yourself. I kept going to help _me_ understand the
counterarguments, and get reality checks from the group.

Yeah, I've never claimed to be consistent, either. I recommended
that you quit during one of those periods when I'd basically
written Frank off as no longer having even entertainment value.
Then he later came back with Yet Another Round of the Same Old
Nonsense, and I found myself drawn back into it. Pretty soon
I'll get tired of him again, and round and round and round it goes...

The thing is, Frank himself never seems to tire of it, or learn
anything new, no matter how many times we go through this.
I guess it's sort of like going to the zoo; you can only spend
so much time watching the monkeys do the same thing over and
over on any given day, but you'll still come back to the monkey
house on your NEXT visit.

If this was the Binaries newsgroup, I would post that .mpg of a chimp
poking his finger in his dunghole, pulling it out and sniffing it, and
keeling over backwards from the smell! ))

Bob M.

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[Watson A.Name - 'Watt Sun]

In article <20030703160048.05149.00000069@mb-m14.news.cs.com>,
feerguy9@cs.com mentioned...

"Mark Fergerson" <mfergerson1@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3F03497A.5050103@cox.net...

I was wondering why you advised me to quit, but kept on
yourself. I kept going to help _me_ understand the
counterarguments, and get reality checks from the group.

Yeah, I've never claimed to be consistent, either. I recommended
that you quit during one of those periods when I'd basically
written Frank off as no longer having even entertainment value.
Then he later came back with Yet Another Round of the Same Old
Nonsense, and I found myself drawn back into it. Pretty soon
I'll get tired of him again, and round and round and round it goes...

You will be thrilled to know that I have started "eer III"



The thing is, Frank himself never seems to tire of it,



or learn anything new

----here to TEACH!

Seems like a better word would be proselytize. One can't call it
teaching since it's not based on science. Only blind faith would make
a believer out of anyone.

, no matter how many times we go through this.
I guess it's sort of like going to the zoo; you can only spend
so much time watching the monkeys do the same thing over and
over on any given day, but you'll still come back to the monkey
house on your NEXT visit.

HUH?

Yeah, I agree. About the monkeys, that is.

Frank

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[Watson A.Name - 'Watt Sun]

In article <L0KMa.4853$eF3.601301@news20.bellglobal.com>,
ksleep@sympatico.ca mentioned...

You certainly lasted a lot longer than most. The beginning of the end
started about 5 years ago, when I noticed that parts stocks where no longer
being replenished. The Manager confided to me that the electronics
department was to be phased out as quickly as possible, as it had become a
money loosing part of the business.
So long RS....but I still have the 65 in one kit that I received when I was
10, that started it all with me.
-Kim

What'd you expect? The salesdroids don't know a thing about any of
those parts, and if you keep telling the public that you have answers,
yet your salesdroids can only give blank stares or the wrong answers,
then that seems enough justification to eliminate the source of the
problem, the parts themselves.

That's one thing I like about going to Fry's. There's no salesdroid
breathing down your neck when you're checking the shelves for parts,
and then making you wait for 20 minutes while he's selling a cellphone
to some clueless mother and daughter. After waiting for several
minutes, the guy ahead of me got PO'd and threw the packages down on
the counter and walked off, and I just walked back to the shelf and
hung them back on the pegs and left. Sorry, I've got better things to
do on my lunch break.

Some salesdroids seem to have mastered the art of testing a battery,
though. :-0

"Tweetldee" <dgmason99@att99.net> wrote in message
news:lLIMa.33222$3o3.2422419@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
Well, I guess the death knell has sounded for the Shack as a source for
experimenter and hobbyist parts. I went into a relatively new store (open
less than a year) today to get a few resistors that I need in a hurry.
What
did I find? Not a resistor, capacitor, transistor, IC, switch, fuse, or
anything that would be considered an electronic component was to be found.
They had all kinds of TV coax, TV connectors, cell phones, home phones,
phone accessories, satellite TV equipment, expensive toys, and a few
stereo
"systems", but but not an electronic component in sight. They had wire,
solder, soldering irons, and such, but nothing to solder the wires to.
They
don't even carry the small project boxes any more.
They're looking more like the electronics section in WalMart every day.
Ooops, I take that back... the Shack's prices are 40-100% above what
you'll
pay for the same item at WalMart.

Adios Radio Shack !! RIP

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[Watson A.Name - 'Watt Sun]

In article <3f03aba7$0$202$75868355@news.frii.net>, dlc@io.frii.com
mentioned...

We electronics hobbyists are a dying breed. Today's kids hang out in the
video game shops now. Note that every single electronics hobbyist rag
in the country has folded now but Nuts and Volts. Popular electronics,
Radio Electronics and others are only in our dreams now. Remember P-Box
kits and the 100 in 1 electronics kits? Today's youth are growing up to
be parasites, not contributors, what a loss.

Where did all the wonder go? I will not fail with my kids! I keep telling
myself that... When I was a kid, when we got a Atari video game, I took
it apart to see how it worked, I never bought a single game past the one
that the unit came with (combat).

Well, hey, the neighbor asked me to fix the wall wart cord that got
pulled off when the kids argued over the game. But he had all sorts
of carts, like Mario Bros. etc. It was fun for a few weeks, but
nothing to get stuck on. He paid like a hundred or so for the Atari
itself, and then had several hundred in carts at $20 apiece!
His main problem was getting the kids to give up the TV so he could
watch his programs!

sigh,
DLC

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[Jim Thompson]

Most fun I ever had at Radio Shack was more than thirty years ago when
a "sales-droid" tried to tell me that you needed a color TV antenna to
receive color shows ;-)

For parts I do an annual inventory of the parts bin and re-order the
resistors and capacitors, etc., I've used up... from Digikey. Never
had a problem with Digikey.

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[Watson A.Name - 'Watt Sun]

In article <3F04D83F.8E5513FA@att.net>, NoSpam@att.net mentioned...

Dennis Clark wrote:

We electronics hobbyists are a dying breed. Today's kids hang out in the
video game shops now. Note that every single electronics hobbyist rag
in the country has folded now but Nuts and Volts. Popular electronics,
Radio Electronics and others are only in our dreams now. Remember P-Box
kits and the 100 in 1 electronics kits? Today's youth are growing up to
be parasites, not contributors, what a loss.

Where did all the wonder go? I will not fail with my kids! I keep telling
myself that... When I was a kid, when we got a Atari video game, I took
it apart to see how it worked, I never bought a single game past the one
that the unit came with (combat).

sigh,
DLC


Amen. Just check out some of the doofus requests in these electronics
NGs: "Where can I get a (fill in incredably specialized function here)
chip?". The script kiddie-type crowd seem to expect that any and every
function imaginable is available in a chip, that they can just add a
battery (and and maybe a flashing LED) and they're off and running.
Anybody got a Mars lander chip laying around? No? How 'bout a Pontiac
Grand Am chip? Pentium-IV-w/-256M-and-80GB-HD chip? (Gag me with a
spoon. grumble-grumble)

Well, you're gettin' a little far-fetched with that Mars Lander chip.
But here's a place that sells a Grand Am chip, noooo problem! ;-))
http://www.backstreetautomotive.com/superchipsPont.htm

Here's one that's even more inreresting.
http://www.tragacs.com/man.html

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[Watson A.Name - 'Watt Sun]

In article <vg8ke81tmteo57@corp.supernews.com>,
chadhammer@nospamcharter.net mentioned...

"A E" <aeisenhut@videotron.ca> wrote in message
news:3F03B19C.D3618FFB@videotron.ca...
Neil wrote:

You certainly lasted a lot longer than most. The beginning of the end
started about 5 years ago, when I noticed that parts stocks where no
longer
being replenished. The Manager confided to me that the electronics
department was to be phased out as quickly as possible, as it had become
a
money loosing part of the business.
So long RS....but I still have the 65 in one kit that I received when I
was
10, that started it all with me.

It's not really RS's fault, the days of electronics as a hobby for the
average
guy are over.



Yep! Throw away goods. That's why! Costs more to fix that
to replace. That is the real cause. In the future they will
mine landfills to recover metals and other materials

ChadMan



"And in the beginning there were many Wal-marts and the CEO's saw this
and it was good...

I say unto you 'Go you forth and make more landfills for you will need them
to place the cheap sauder furniture and broken Nintendos...'

And they made more landfills and the CEO's saw this and it was good...

The CEO's saw this and said 'Now you must go forth and buy more sauder
furniture and Nintendos...'

And the CEO's said 'Now I will make more Wal-mart and landfill
jobs for you, so that you can rent Blockbuster movies, play Nintendo and eat
frozen pizzas from your sauder furniture'...

And te CEO's saw this and all was good,"

What's sauder? Is that like Ikea? A guy at work bought a couple Ikea
butcher block stepstools, and when he assembled them, one of the
threads stripped. Scares me to think that I'm standing on something
that might fall apart any second.


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"Watson A.Name - 'Watt Sun'" wrote:

If this was the Binaries newsgroup, I would post that .mpg of a chimp
poking his finger in his dunghole, pulling it out and sniffing it, and
keeling over backwards from the smell! ))

That one never stops being funny! And the one with the chimp taking a drink from
his personal water fountain.... !!!

 

[NightRunner]

Yeah, and it will be labeled as a 5 megawatt DPSS laser pointer

- NR

On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 15:01:51 +0100, PC <F@you.com> was reportedly seen
on the White House lawn holding a large picket sign and screeching the
following:

In article <d0e744c9.0307032109.2e9bc73d@posting.google.com>, leeroth@my-
deja.com says...
Bert Hickman <bert.hickman@delete_this.aquila.net> wrote in message news:<3F01024A.7000706@delete_this.aquila.net>...

Hi Adrian,

Here's a likely scenario:
...

I told Unkle Jake not to put pennies in the fusebox anymore,
now he's gonna have to buy the electric company a new
xformer! ;^}

They'll probably sell that transformer on eBay soon.

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model cannot answer the questions of why there should be a
universe for the model to describe. Why does the universe go
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[Michael]

Dave wrote:

EPO on Fondren is my lifeboat. I'll probaly be buying a new soldering iron
there tomorrow. I discovered I have one more solder connection to make on
the Uniden CB, and plugged in the old Unger. It got a little warm, and then
cooled off again. I know I have a spare around here somewhere, but it's the
cheap piece of crap I bought the Unger to replace. Don't trust it. sigh
I'll probably pick up some more jumper clips while I'm there (ran out of
those today- needed six and only had four.) And anything else I can think
of. It feels good to be getting my electronics shop back together. Now if
I can just fint that old Citiphone (sp?).

Dave
db5151@hotmail.com

I feel for ya. I've kept my ancient, red Unger handle in the tool box
even thought my last element burned out more than ten years ago. Still
have half a dozen iron clad chisel tips for it ... in their unopened
blister packs. The Air Force issued me that iron in 1969, and it was a
joy to use. I'm sure that if I ever throw it away I'll stumble across a
heating element soon thereafter.

 

[R. Steve Walz]

Precious Pup wrote:

Bill Sloman wrote:


I've just been reading Paul Krugman's "The Return of Depression
Economics" ISBN 0-14-028685-3 which fairly clearly indicates that
there is an information problem with modern more-or-less free market
capitalism, and that the people in the business of regulating the free
market economies of the world don't have enough information to be able
anticipate and smooth out the instabilities of the currency and
capital markets.

You're full of shit. Anyone who wants to know why need only walk down to the local library and check out the
mentioned book.
-------------

Which you clearly didn't, YOU'RE the one who's full of shit!
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[Michael A. Terrell]

Michael wrote:

I feel for ya. I've kept my ancient, red Unger handle in the tool box
even thought my last element burned out more than ten years ago. Still
have half a dozen iron clad chisel tips for it ... in their unopened
blister packs. The Air Force issued me that iron in 1969, and it was a
joy to use. I'm sure that if I ever throw it away I'll stumble across a
heating element soon thereafter.

I may still have a new screw in element laying around somewhere.
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[FEerguy9]

In article <20030703160048.05149.00000069@mb-m14.news.cs.com>,
feerguy9@cs.com mentioned...
"Mark Fergerson" <mfergerson1@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3F03497A.5050103@cox.net...

I was wondering why you advised me to quit, but kept on
yourself. I kept going to help _me_ understand the
counterarguments, and get reality checks from the group.

Yeah, I've never claimed to be consistent, either. I recommended
that you quit during one of those periods when I'd basically
written Frank off as no longer having even entertainment value.
Then he later came back with Yet Another Round of the Same Old
Nonsense, and I found myself drawn back into it. Pretty soon
I'll get tired of him again, and round and round and round it goes...

You will be thrilled to know that I have started "eer III"



The thing is, Frank himself never seems to tire of it,



or learn anything new

----here to TEACH!

Seems like a better word would be proselytize. One can't call it
teaching since it's not based on science. Only blind faith would make
a believer out of anyone.

I knew that would get a rise out of SOMEBODY!

, no matter how many times we go through this.
I guess it's sort of like going to the zoo; you can only spend
so much time watching the monkeys do the same thing over and
over on any given day, but you'll still come back to the monkey
house on your NEXT visit.

HUH?

Yeah, I agree. About the monkeys, that is.

Frank



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[Tony Newman]

On Thu, 03 Jul 2003 18:27:13 +0100, The Technical Manager wrote:

Dbowey wrote:

Up to around 1984 or so the ABC (USA) television network was
delivered by such cables to the TV station where I work. There was
also a local run from the station to a local university basketball
court so we could telecast games from there.

Do you have any ideas on what the cable was called ?

I'm not sure if the impedance was the same, but IBM was fond of using
a similar cable to connect terminals to their computers. It is still
available - look for "twinax"

I have tracked down Twinax.

Unfortunately no. The stuff used at the TV station was likely
special made-to-order cable used by the Bell System and/or AT&T Long
Lines - around 1960 or so - this was way before the breakup. In 1997
we moved to a new building, so I don't have any way to even look at the
cable.

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