magnetic field

John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:18:55 -0500, CBFalconer <cbfalconer@yahoo.com
wrote:
John Larkin wrote:

... snip ...

All it takes is an infinite capacity capacitor. The turn-on time
and inrush current may be high. However it avoids the need for a
UPS. Once they get the breakdown voltage up and get them into
production we can have all the electric cars we want, and dispense
with all batteries.
This is interesting:

http://www.engr.wisc.edu/groups/green/ultra.html

Regards,

Michael
 
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 18:17:02 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> Gave us:

John Larkin wrote:

Please post the schematic of a zero-ripple switcher.

John


Sorry, but that feature is only available on the 0 volt model.

Are they fooly regulated?
 
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:18:55 -0500, CBFalconer <cbfalconer@yahoo.com>
Gave us:

All it takes is an infinite capacity capacitor. The turn-on time
and inrush current may be high. However it avoids the need for a
UPS. Once they get the breakdown voltage up and get them into
production we can have all the electric cars we want, and dispense
with all batteries.
You ain't real bright. You must have been daydreaming about
perpetual motion when the instructor covered this subject.
 
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:03:52 GMT, Vladimir Vassilevsky
<antispam_bogus@hotmail.com> Gave us:

Zero ripple is a real thing.

Bullshit.

The last supply I designed with our engineering group was for a CAT
scanner, and it was EXACTLY 1500 volts, regulated to within one volt,
and it had 2mV of ripple. That was AT the switching frequency of
17kHz at the full 250 Watts output.

That took a half year and two iterations to achieve.

We also made an xray supply that made 4kV at 1.5uA, and that had
only 2mV of ripple at rated loading.

Linear OR switcher, under full rated load, there IS going to be
ripple voltages present. Period.

You cannot look at a supply with no load on it, and declare it to be
ripple free. You are compiling errant data if you do.

Try again, Vlad.
 
Indeed there are the topologies of the switchers with exactly
zero or almost zero ripple, assuming the ideal symmetry of
everything.
Like a polyphase switcher with *big* inductors? But I don't want
"almost zero ripple", I want the real thing.
Zero ripple is a real thing. Imagine the two identical bucks
operating 50/50 duty with 180 degree phase shift on the common load.
Ideally, there will be no ripple at the load at all. There are
numerous patents on the variations of this idea, allowing to adjust
the duty, different topologies and such.


MassiveProng wrote:

Bullshit.
I don't beleive you didn't understand what is the previous quoting about.

The last supply I designed with our engineering group was for a CAT
scanner, and it was EXACTLY 1500 volts, regulated to within one volt,
and it had 2mV of ripple.
It could be done better then that.

That was AT the switching frequency of
17kHz at the full 250 Watts output.
That took a half year and two iterations to achieve.
Good for you. Although very slow.

We also made an xray supply that made 4kV at 1.5uA, and that had only
2mV of ripple at rated loading.
1.5uA is not much.

Linear OR switcher, under full rated load, there IS going to be
ripple voltages present. Period.
You don't have to preach that 2 + 2 = 4.

You cannot look at a supply with no load on it, and declare it to be
ripple free. You are compiling errant data if you do.
Try again, Vlad.
I don't care. It is not my problem.


VLV
 
On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 01:22:51 GMT, Vladimir Vassilevsky
<antispam_bogus@hotmail.com> Gave us:

It could be done better then that.

Not in the package constraints we had. We bettered the competitor's
product as well. They were unable to achieve the spec.

Do you even know what that ripple figure represents?

That's 0.000001333 % ripple.

You won't be getting lower than that any time soon in the chassis we
did it in at 250 Watts loading.

I don't think you are aware of what is or is not "being done".

You're just spittin' out words to see where they splatter.
 
On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 01:22:51 GMT, Vladimir Vassilevsky
<antispam_bogus@hotmail.com> Gave us:

Good for you. Although very slow.

Nope. It was dual audio amps feeding a center tapped transformer and
multiplier stage. We found the right frequency for the application
with the hardware topology we used.
 
On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 01:22:51 GMT, Vladimir Vassilevsky
<antispam_bogus@hotmail.com> Gave us:

We also made an xray supply that made 4kV at 1.5uA, and that had only
2mV of ripple at rated loading.

1.5uA is not much.
You don't know much about X-ray flux, or the generation thereof.
 
On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 01:22:51 GMT, Vladimir Vassilevsky
<antispam_bogus@hotmail.com> Gave us:

Linear OR switcher, under full rated load, there IS going to be
ripple voltages present. Period.

You don't have to preach that 2 + 2 = 4.

Aren't you the dolt that claimed that zero ripple supplies are easy
to make?
 
On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 01:22:51 GMT, Vladimir Vassilevsky
<antispam_bogus@hotmail.com> Gave us:

I don't care. It is not my problem.
Why are you even in the fucking thread then, dipshit?
 
MassiveProng wrote:

It could be done better then that.

Not in the package constraints we had. We bettered the competitor's
product as well. They were unable to achieve the spec.

Do you even know what that ripple figure represents?
Yes, I do know that very well, since I do work on the audio and
measurement equipment.

That's 0.000001333 % ripple.
This is -117dB. No doubts it is a decent result, although it is not a
world record by any means.

You won't be getting lower than that any time soon in the chassis we
did it in at 250 Watts loading.
I don't think you are aware of what is or is not "being done".
You're just spittin' out words to see where they splatter.
I can't understand. Are you trying to scare a porcupine by showing him a
naked butt?

VLV
 
MassiveProng wrote:

Linear OR switcher, under full rated load, there IS going to be
ripple voltages present. Period.

You don't have to preach that 2 + 2 = 4.



Aren't you the dolt that claimed that zero ripple supplies are easy
to make?
Dude, do you read the words which I didn't wrote?
Please find a quote or go take your pills.

VLV
 
MassiveProng wrote:

On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 01:22:51 GMT, Vladimir Vassilevsky
antispam_bogus@hotmail.com> Gave us:


I don't care. It is not my problem.


Why are you even in the fucking thread then, dipshit?
And this is not your problem.

VLV
 
MassiveProng wrote:

We also made an xray supply that made 4kV at 1.5uA, and that had only
2mV of ripple at rated loading.

1.5uA is not much.

You don't know much about X-ray flux, or the generation thereof.
Sorry, dude. At one time I was working with the X-ray crystallograph.
The tube was typically operating at 40...50kV, draining the current
about 10..15mA. So here we go.

VLV
 
On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 02:07:45 GMT, Vladimir Vassilevsky
<antispam_bogus@hotmail.com> Gave us:

This is -117dB. No doubts it is a decent result, although it is not a
world record by any means.
For a power supply?

You're nuts. ESPECIALLY at 1500 volts.
 
On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 02:15:40 GMT, Vladimir Vassilevsky
<antispam_bogus@hotmail.com> Gave us:

MassiveProng wrote:

On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 01:22:51 GMT, Vladimir Vassilevsky
antispam_bogus@hotmail.com> Gave us:


I don't care. It is not my problem.


Why are you even in the fucking thread then, dipshit?

And this is not your problem.

VLV
And you can fuck off.
 
On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 02:10:34 GMT, Vladimir Vassilevsky
<antispam_bogus@hotmail.com> Gave us:

Please find a quote or go take your pills.
I got a pill for your ass, fuckhead.
 
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:21:34 -0600, Vladimir Vassilevsky
<antispam_bogus@hotmail.com> Gave us:

MassiveProng wrote:

We also made an xray supply that made 4kV at 1.5uA, and that had only
2mV of ripple at rated loading.

1.5uA is not much.

You don't know much about X-ray flux, or the generation thereof.

Sorry, dude. At one time I was working with the X-ray crystallograph.
The tube was typically operating at 40...50kV, draining the current
about 10..15mA. So here we go.
And THAT supply ALSO had a pretty low ripple figure, I'll guarantee
you.

The whole idea behind clean DC for the X-ray tube is that the X-ray
flux is clean and pure. THAT yields the best contrast ratio in the
imagery.

The supply I mentioned feeds a small device meant for looking at gas
pipes in city streets.

I also made a supply that was 50kV at 250Watts That's only 5mA.

So your supplies were leaning toward a kW, eh? That must have been
some X-ray flux.

Still, you should have known that the ripple figure I gave for the
CAT supply was exceedingly low. By ALL standards.
 
MassiveProng wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 18:17:02 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> Gave us:

John Larkin wrote:

Please post the schematic of a zero-ripple switcher.

John


Sorry, but that feature is only available on the 0 volt model.

Are they fooly regulated?

As regulated as a dead short can be. ;-)


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prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
 
MassiveProng wrote:
Vladimir Vassilevsky <antispam_bogus@hotmail.com> Gave us:

Please find a quote or go take your pills.

I got a pill for your ass, fuckhead.
This sort of foolish language will sooner or later get you PLONKed

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