Macrovision hack?

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Sat, 06 Mar 2004 15:48:21 -0500) it happened Dick Sidbury
<drjamessidbury@hotmail.com> wrote in
<c2ddcr$1r5q7i$1@ID-109339.news.uni-berlin.de>:

Justin wrote:
Colon Terminus wrote on [Sat, 06 Mar 2004 19:01:16 GMT]:

No, NOT illegal to copy a DVD.
Illegal to circumvent the encryption on a DVD.


Yes, illegal to copy a DVD. It is illegal to bypass a copy protection
mechanism. Therefore, by copying it you are bypassing it.

Not it's not illegal to bypass a copy protection mechanism. It's
illegal to defeat it.
Interesting, I thought of that some time ago.

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Sat, 06 Mar 2004 20:56:04 GMT) it happened Justin
<nospam@insightbb.com> wrote in <slrnc4ken4.o4v.nospam@debian.dns2go.com>:

By copying a copy protected DVD you are defeating the copy protection
mechanism. If you weren't defeating it then you wouldn't be copying it.
But if you could copy it, then for sure it was not copy protected ;-)

 

[luminos]

"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1078613654.871620@news-01.evisp.enertel.nl...

On a sunny day (Sat, 06 Mar 2004 15:48:21 -0500) it happened Dick Sidbury
drjamessidbury@hotmail.com> wrote in
c2ddcr$1r5q7i$1@ID-109339.news.uni-berlin.de>:

Justin wrote:
Colon Terminus wrote on [Sat, 06 Mar 2004 19:01:16 GMT]:

No, NOT illegal to copy a DVD.
Illegal to circumvent the encryption on a DVD.


Yes, illegal to copy a DVD. It is illegal to bypass a copy protection
mechanism. Therefore, by copying it you are bypassing it.

Not it's not illegal to bypass a copy protection mechanism. It's
illegal to defeat it.
Interesting, I thought of that some time ago.

It is a ludicrous semantic game you are playing. Bypass and defeat are the
same.

 

[luminos]

Ok genius.....what about the need of education to use segments of DVD for
analysis and presentation in various courses? How are they going to do
this? How are researchers going to be able to deal with compilations of
segments of DVD materials that they own?

 

[Rick]

"Justin" <nospam@insightbb.com> wrote in message news:slrnc4ka17.o1l.nospam@debian.dns2go.com...

:
On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 2:54:17 -0500, luminos wrote
(in message <Jsf2c.9911948$Id.1654951@news.easynews.com&gt:

This is completely wrong. Any copying of a DVD to any form is illegal via
the DMCA. The ruling came down this week.

That's laughable. How do they expect this to be enforced? We don't have
enough to cops to handle the real crimes. I think the FBI has better things
to do than go house to house looking for copies of movies.


Yes, but just because something doesn't always get enforced it doesn't
mean it's legal.

Make enough laws and eventually everyone becomes a
criminal. It really is over in the U.S., we've become a
nation of brainwashed, fearful, pussy whipped corporate
prostitutes who wouldn't know freedom if it bit us on
the ass.

Rick

 

[HellRazor]

"DarkMatter" <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
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On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 13:10:44 +0100, "Haans"
hksenneseth@idontneedthathotmailspam.com> Gave us:


"DarkMatter" <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in
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On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 23:06:36 -0500, "Neil" <ksleep@sympatico.ca> Gave
us:

snip
My time is worth too much for such retarded pursuits.

Obviously not worth too much, since you bother spending time on spewing
your
rather worthless comments to this group. And see, I didn't call you
names.
Just commented on the stupidity of your post.

What I do not do is spend time trying to burn copies of discs. THAT
is fucking retarded. That is not a name being called, asswipe, that
is a fact being related.

You'd rather spend all your time trolling in newsgroups.

 

[- - ex - -]

Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Sat, 06 Mar 2004 20:56:04 GMT) it happened Justin
nospam@insightbb.com> wrote in <slrnc4ken4.o4v.nospam@debian.dns2go.com>:


By copying a copy protected DVD you are defeating the copy protection
mechanism. If you weren't defeating it then you wouldn't be copying it.

But if you could copy it, then for sure it was not copy protected ;-)

Thats one of the more interesting and logical 'philosophies' that I have
heard.

Reminds me of one of the 'not-all-that-uncommon' CATV scrambling
systems. While it is generally a reasonably effective system, a good
5-10% of sets handle it like it wasn't even there. The manufacturer
knows and admits that and its just one of those caveats with this
particular scheme.
So, if a person has a brand XYZ receiver that just so happens to not be
affected by the scrambling is he culpable of any legal ramifications for
defeating or stealing (or whatever legalese) the encrypted programming
that he is not 'authorized' to receive?
This is a hypothetical (if not rhetorical) question to demonstrate how
big jaws don't necessarily have any teeth.

-BM

 

[HellRazor]

"DarkMatter" <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
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On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 19:48:25 GMT, Justin <nospam@insightbb.com> Gave
us:

DarkMatter wrote on [Sat, 06 Mar 2004 11:36:49 -0800]:
On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 14:26:22 -0400, Chris Phillipo
Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> Gave us:

Any such attempt will only serve to drive the sale of Chinese made
players through the roof, as if they weren't killing american
manufacturers already.

Funny. I see absolutely ZERO chinese players on American store
shelves. Ever wonder why?

Sure you do.

Yes. Taiwan. Through legal manufacturer channels where the
manufacturer is industry compliant. One does not see the
non-complaint players he refers to on our shelves.

You only don't see them because you spend all your free time on Usenet,
being unable to squeeze your fat ass through your front door.

Cyberhome, Daewood, and Malata players are sold in stores like Circuit City
and Best Buy all over the country, you stupid fuck. Most of these players
are region free and macrovision free.

 

[HellRazor]

"luminos" <logos1@trip.net> wrote in message
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Ok genius.....what about the need of education to use segments of DVD for
analysis and presentation in various courses? How are they going to do
this? How are researchers going to be able to deal with compilations of
segments of DVD materials that they own?

Don't try to use logic on him, it just confuses him and makes him angry.

 

[HellRazor]

"DarkMatter" <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
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On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 12:29:35 -0500, Cernovog <cernovog@mail.com> Gave
us:

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 7:08:15 -0500, DarkMatter wrote
(in message <rofj40h26boi7m4pmlig01rovldbe7dsh5@4ax.com&gt:

As long as it is for personal home use, it's perfectly legal for him
to do
any darn thing he wants with his DVD.


That is so untrue.

Care to explain yourself? Just saying something doesn't make it true.

Just saying that he can doesn't make it true either, dipshit.

Explaining himself would require communication skills and civil interaction
with fellow human beings.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 22:52:07 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> Gave us:

By copying a copy protected DVD you are defeating the copy protection
mechanism. If you weren't defeating it then you wouldn't be copying it.
But if you could copy it, then for sure it was not copy protected ;-)

Dingledorf. If one uses a method to allow the copying of a disc,
and it was encrypted, it was a copyrighted disc, and is illegal to
extract directly.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 22:52:07 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> Gave us:

On a sunny day (Sat, 06 Mar 2004 15:48:21 -0500) it happened Dick Sidbury
drjamessidbury@hotmail.com> wrote in
c2ddcr$1r5q7i$1@ID-109339.news.uni-berlin.de>:

Justin wrote:
Colon Terminus wrote on [Sat, 06 Mar 2004 19:01:16 GMT]:

No, NOT illegal to copy a DVD.
Illegal to circumvent the encryption on a DVD.


Yes, illegal to copy a DVD. It is illegal to bypass a copy protection
mechanism. Therefore, by copying it you are bypassing it.

Not it's not illegal to bypass a copy protection mechanism. It's
illegal to defeat it.
Interesting, I thought of that some time ago.

Dumbfucks. Bypassing it IS defeating it.

Can you twits be any more.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 23:05:09 GMT, "luminos" <logos1@trip.net> Gave us:

"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1078613654.871620@news-01.evisp.enertel.nl...
On a sunny day (Sat, 06 Mar 2004 15:48:21 -0500) it happened Dick Sidbury
drjamessidbury@hotmail.com> wrote in
c2ddcr$1r5q7i$1@ID-109339.news.uni-berlin.de>:

Justin wrote:
Colon Terminus wrote on [Sat, 06 Mar 2004 19:01:16 GMT]:

No, NOT illegal to copy a DVD.
Illegal to circumvent the encryption on a DVD.


Yes, illegal to copy a DVD. It is illegal to bypass a copy protection
mechanism. Therefore, by copying it you are bypassing it.

Not it's not illegal to bypass a copy protection mechanism. It's
illegal to defeat it.
Interesting, I thought of that some time ago.

It is a ludicrous semantic game you are playing. Bypass and defeat are the
same.

One causes the other, and to think that they are different is about

as retarded as one could get.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 23:07:57 GMT, "luminos" <logos1@trip.net> Gave us:

Ok genius.....what about the need of education to use segments of DVD for
analysis and presentation in various courses? How are they going to do
this? How are researchers going to be able to deal with compilations of
segments of DVD materials that they own?

Can you really be so dumb?

 

[DarkMatter]

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 15:13:47 -0800, "Rick" <me@privacy.net> Gave us:

Make enough laws and eventually everyone becomes a
criminal. It really is over in the U.S., we've become a
nation of brainwashed, fearful, pussy whipped corporate
prostitutes who wouldn't know freedom if it bit us on
the ass.

Rick

Sorry, you total retard, but stealing is NOT a freedom. It is a
criminal act. For you not to know this mean that you are an obvious
criminal. For you not to understand that premise is even worse.

Jack-offs like you are what threaten our freedoms more than
anything.

 

[Rick]

"DarkMatter" <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message news:g5vk40p14mqirsi242aruu60n3s3kvrdn0@4ax.com...

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 15:13:47 -0800, "Rick" <me@privacy.net> Gave us:


Make enough laws and eventually everyone becomes a
criminal. It really is over in the U.S., we've become a
nation of brainwashed, fearful, pussy whipped corporate
prostitutes who wouldn't know freedom if it bit us on
the ass.


Sorry, you total retard, but stealing is NOT a freedom.

Making a backup of one's own property is not stealing,
regardless of what the entertainment industry wants you
to believe.

Pay attention to what happens in the appeals process for
this current court case.

Rick

 

[DarkMatter]

On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 01:21:01 GMT, "HellRazor" <nottellin@no.com> Gave
us:

"luminos" <logos1@trip.net> wrote in message
news:hRs2c.1876152$9p3.342380@news.easynews.com...
Ok genius.....what about the need of education to use segments of DVD for
analysis and presentation in various courses? How are they going to do
this? How are researchers going to be able to deal with compilations of
segments of DVD materials that they own?


Don't try to use logic on him, it just confuses him and makes him angry.

Such folks get access, and legal access to such streams, and they get

said access with hardware unavailable to consumers.

For the school scenario... too fucking bad. Buy the disk. They are
fully indexed. Move to desired scene. Where's the problem, you
retarded dipshits? School books cost over $50 each so a mere $20 for
a fucking DVD is nothing.

In years past, a school had to lease a 16 print of a film at very
high rates, back when dollars had considerably more value.

You are a goddamned retard to think that a school that wanted to
show a segment of a film for educational purpose could do it cheaper
with an extraction and copy session than by buying the fucking disc to
begin with and merely moving to the desired location.

My time is worth way too much to sit around in a retarded edit
session, compiling fucking snippets. BUY the fucking disc, and the
fucking job is done. It's called chapter search. All players have
the feature. Get a fucking clue, retard boy.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 01:23:58 GMT, "HellRazor" <nottellin@no.com> Gave
us:

Explaining himself would require communication skills and civil interaction
with fellow human beings.

Like that which your lame ass is sooo good at? Yeah... right. Fuck
off, retard boy.

 

[luminos]

I read your other lengthy response, that was the ultimate in dumb. Just as
with music, the instructor needs to present excerpts adjacent and
immediately next to each other to make the point. Having a bunch of discs
(or a boatload of them like a boatload of books) makes no sense at all.

"DarkMatter" <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
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On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 23:07:57 GMT, "luminos" <logos1@trip.net> Gave us:

Ok genius.....what about the need of education to use segments of DVD for
analysis and presentation in various courses? How are they going to do
this? How are researchers going to be able to deal with compilations of
segments of DVD materials that they own?

Can you really be so dumb?

 

[Chaos Master]

Java Jive posted in sci.electronics.repair , in article
<4049e28b$0$1151$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net>, at Sat, 6 Mar 2004 14:39:06 -
0000:

Only applies in US ... This is not the first time I've seen US posters
posting as though their laws applied across the entire world. When posting
please bear in mind that copyright laws vary from country to country.

I suspect that making backups of privately owned media for personal,
non-commercial use is legal in most countries.

Here in Brazil it is allowed to copy and distribute recordings, __as long as it
is done for free__.


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