Macrovision hack?

[Chris Phillipo]

In article <2c2cf14c.0403060819.6f78a56d@posting.google.com>,
testing_h@yahoo.com says...

Feck <Feck@riversedge.com> wrote in message news:<tHc2c.717735$ts4.617242@pd7tw3no>...
You need a black box usually called an "image stabiliser". My local
electronics store sell them for about $50cad, check the net for mail order
sources.
It goes between the DVD and VCR. Since your unit is an all-in-one, you
might have to copy to a standalone VCR.


to_live@hotmail.com (A Better Chungking_Cash) wrote in
news:19717407.0403051542.3fa3aada@posting.google.com:

I have a Toshiba SD-V290 DVD/VCR Combo. Does anyone have a Macrovision
hack for this player? I would like to make VHS back-up's of existing
and future purchases. ANY help would be much appreciated. Thank-you in
advance.

Well seeing as the DMCA makes universal remote controls, garage door
openers and pretty much anything that allows equipment to be used for
anything it wasn't intended for (like remote control software for Palm
Pilots) illegal, this could get difficult.

Next they will be making "copy-proof" holographic DVD's that *cannot*
be played in any manufactured player if the hologram is missing. From
what I understand, the next upgrade to the DVD standard will also take
out the facility to play DVD-R and DVD-RW, only original burned disks.

-A

Any such attempt will only serve to drive the sale of Chinese made
players through the roof, as if they weren't killing american
manufacturers already.
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[Chris Phillipo]

I wasn't pirating before but I think it's time to start just to drive up
the cost that idiots like Darkmatter have to pay when they buy a disk at
full pop because they have no self control.

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[Colon Terminus]

No, NOT illegal to copy a DVD.
Illegal to circumvent the encryption on a DVD.

"luminos" <logos1@trip.net> wrote in message
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"Cernovog" <cernovog@mail.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 23:06:36 -0500, Neil wrote
(in message <v8c2c.20626$qA2.1437053@news20.bellglobal.com&gt:

When will people learn that requests for illegal info will be ignored?

In what way is this request illegal? What law does it break?

As long as it is for personal home use, it's perfectly legal for him to
do
any darn thing he wants with his DVD.




This is completely wrong. Any copying of a DVD to any form is illegal via
the DMCA. The ruling came down this week.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 13:10:44 +0100, "Haans"
<hksenneseth@idontneedthathotmailspam.com> Gave us:

"DarkMatter" <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
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On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 23:06:36 -0500, "Neil" <ksleep@sympatico.ca> Gave
us:

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My time is worth too much for such retarded pursuits.

Obviously not worth too much, since you bother spending time on spewing your
rather worthless comments to this group. And see, I didn't call you names.
Just commented on the stupidity of your post.

What I do not do is spend time trying to burn copies of discs. THAT

is fucking retarded. That is not a name being called, asswipe, that
is a fact being related.

 

[Jer]

Cernovog wrote:

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 2:54:17 -0500, luminos wrote
(in message <Jsf2c.9911948$Id.1654951@news.easynews.com&gt:


This is completely wrong. Any copying of a DVD to any form is illegal via
the DMCA. The ruling came down this week.


That's laughable. How do they expect this to be enforced? We don't have
enough to cops to handle the real crimes. I think the FBI has better things
to do than go house to house looking for copies of movies.

Most of us provide our own enforcement through self control - this way,
we don't have to concern ourselves about jack-booted thugs kicking down
our doors in the middle of a movie scattering our fresh popcorn across
the floor.

Yes, laugh if you will, but if someone you trust decides they don't like
your attitude about your lack of self control, they may convince the FBI
of your terrorist activities, and you can deal with them instead of us.
Yes, laugh little pidgeon, laugh if you will.

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[DarkMatter]

On 6 Mar 2004 08:19:43 -0800, testing_h@yahoo.com (Andre) Gave us:

Next they will be making "copy-proof" holographic DVD's that *cannot*
be played in any manufactured player if the hologram is missing. From
what I understand, the next upgrade to the DVD standard will also take
out the facility to play DVD-R and DVD-RW, only original burned disks.

Original discs aren't burned, dingledorf, they are stamped. Also if
you retards need players that play your ripped discs, then you'll have
to keep an older model, eh? Or you may have to downconvert output to
a lower res form factor.

Too fucking bad.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 12:29:35 -0500, Cernovog <cernovog@mail.com> Gave
us:

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 7:08:15 -0500, DarkMatter wrote
(in message <rofj40h26boi7m4pmlig01rovldbe7dsh5@4ax.com&gt:

As long as it is for personal home use, it's perfectly legal for him to do
any darn thing he wants with his DVD.


That is so untrue.

Care to explain yourself? Just saying something doesn't make it true.

Just saying that he can doesn't make it true either, dipshit.

 

[Justin]

Cernovog wrote on [Sat, 6 Mar 2004 12:29:35 -0500]:

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 7:08:15 -0500, DarkMatter wrote
(in message <rofj40h26boi7m4pmlig01rovldbe7dsh5@4ax.com&gt:

As long as it is for personal home use, it's perfectly legal for him to do
any darn thing he wants with his DVD.


That is so untrue.

Care to explain yourself? Just saying something doesn't make it true.

He doesn't need to. It is illegal to copy a DVD in the US, for any
reason whatsoever.

 

[Justin]

Cernovog wrote on [Sat, 6 Mar 2004 12:33:06 -0500]:

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 2:54:17 -0500, luminos wrote
(in message <Jsf2c.9911948$Id.1654951@news.easynews.com&gt:

This is completely wrong. Any copying of a DVD to any form is illegal via
the DMCA. The ruling came down this week.

That's laughable. How do they expect this to be enforced? We don't have
enough to cops to handle the real crimes. I think the FBI has better things
to do than go house to house looking for copies of movies.

Yes, but just because something doesn't always get enforced it doesn't
mean it's legal.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 14:26:22 -0400, Chris Phillipo
<Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> Gave us:

Any such attempt will only serve to drive the sale of Chinese made
players through the roof, as if they weren't killing american
manufacturers already.

Funny. I see absolutely ZERO chinese players on American store
shelves. Ever wonder why?

When it all changes, the chinese ripoff Pieces of shit players will
likely not work at all, and you twits will have something else to cry
about, and we will have something else to laugh at stupid little rip
it twits about.

 

[Justin]

Colon Terminus wrote on [Sat, 06 Mar 2004 19:01:16 GMT]:

No, NOT illegal to copy a DVD.
Illegal to circumvent the encryption on a DVD.

Yes, illegal to copy a DVD. It is illegal to bypass a copy protection
mechanism. Therefore, by copying it you are bypassing it.

"luminos" <logos1@trip.net> wrote in message
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"Cernovog" <cernovog@mail.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 23:06:36 -0500, Neil wrote
(in message <v8c2c.20626$qA2.1437053@news20.bellglobal.com&gt:

When will people learn that requests for illegal info will be ignored?

In what way is this request illegal? What law does it break?

As long as it is for personal home use, it's perfectly legal for him to
do
any darn thing he wants with his DVD.




This is completely wrong. Any copying of a DVD to any form is illegal via
the DMCA. The ruling came down this week.

 

[Justin]

DarkMatter wrote on [Sat, 06 Mar 2004 11:36:49 -0800]:

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 14:26:22 -0400, Chris Phillipo
Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> Gave us:

Any such attempt will only serve to drive the sale of Chinese made
players through the roof, as if they weren't killing american
manufacturers already.

Funny. I see absolutely ZERO chinese players on American store
shelves. Ever wonder why?

Sure you do.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 19:48:25 GMT, Justin <nospam@insightbb.com> Gave
us:

:
On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 14:26:22 -0400, Chris Phillipo
Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> Gave us:

Any such attempt will only serve to drive the sale of Chinese made
players through the roof, as if they weren't killing american
manufacturers already.

Funny. I see absolutely ZERO chinese players on American store
shelves. Ever wonder why?

Sure you do.

Yes. Taiwan. Through legal manufacturer channels where the
manufacturer is industry compliant. One does not see the
non-complaint players he refers to on our shelves.

The web doesn't count.

 

[Justin]

DarkMatter wrote on [Sat, 06 Mar 2004 12:14:27 -0800]:

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 19:48:25 GMT, Justin <nospam@insightbb.com> Gave
us:

DarkMatter wrote on [Sat, 06 Mar 2004 11:36:49 -0800]:
On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 14:26:22 -0400, Chris Phillipo
Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> Gave us:

Any such attempt will only serve to drive the sale of Chinese made
players through the roof, as if they weren't killing american
manufacturers already.

Funny. I see absolutely ZERO chinese players on American store
shelves. Ever wonder why?

Sure you do.

Yes. Taiwan. Through legal manufacturer channels where the
manufacturer is industry compliant. One does not see the
non-complaint players he refers to on our shelves.

The web doesn't count.

The Cyberhome players can be hacked, hell, even some of the newer
Toshibas can be, with very simple remote keypresses.

 

[Dick Sidbury]

Justin wrote:

:

No, NOT illegal to copy a DVD.
Illegal to circumvent the encryption on a DVD.


Yes, illegal to copy a DVD. It is illegal to bypass a copy protection
mechanism. Therefore, by copying it you are bypassing it.

Not it's not illegal to bypass a copy protection mechanism. It's

illegal to defeat it. So if you could do a bit for bit copy that
wouldn't violate the DMCA. And of course if the DVD were not copy
protected then copying it would also not be illegal.

dick

 

[Justin]

Dick Sidbury wrote on [Sat, 06 Mar 2004 15:48:21 -0500]:

Justin wrote:
Colon Terminus wrote on [Sat, 06 Mar 2004 19:01:16 GMT]:

No, NOT illegal to copy a DVD.
Illegal to circumvent the encryption on a DVD.


Yes, illegal to copy a DVD. It is illegal to bypass a copy protection
mechanism. Therefore, by copying it you are bypassing it.

Not it's not illegal to bypass a copy protection mechanism. It's
illegal to defeat it. So if you could do a bit for bit copy that
wouldn't violate the DMCA. And of course if the DVD were not copy
protected then copying it would also not be illegal.

By copying a copy protected DVD you are defeating the copy protection
mechanism. If you weren't defeating it then you wouldn't be copying it.

 

[luminos]

It is not in Australia and a lot of other countries.

"Java Jive" <java@evij.com> wrote in message
news:4049e28b$0$1151$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net...

Only applies in US ... This is not the first time I've seen US posters
posting as though their laws applied across the entire world. When posting
please bear in mind that copyright laws vary from country to country.

I suspect that making backups of privately owned media for personal,
non-commercial use is legal in most countries.

"luminos" <logos1@trip.net> wrote in message
news:Jsf2c.9911948$Id.1654951@news.easynews.com...

This is completely wrong. Any copying of a DVD to any form is illegal
via
the DMCA. The ruling came down this week.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 20:17:06 GMT, Justin <nospam@insightbb.com> Gave
us:

:
On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 19:48:25 GMT, Justin <nospam@insightbb.com> Gave
us:

DarkMatter wrote on [Sat, 06 Mar 2004 11:36:49 -0800]:
On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 14:26:22 -0400, Chris Phillipo
Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> Gave us:

Any such attempt will only serve to drive the sale of Chinese made
players through the roof, as if they weren't killing american
manufacturers already.

Funny. I see absolutely ZERO chinese players on American store
shelves. Ever wonder why?

Sure you do.

Yes. Taiwan. Through legal manufacturer channels where the
manufacturer is industry compliant. One does not see the
non-complaint players he refers to on our shelves.

The web doesn't count.

The Cyberhome players can be hacked, hell, even some of the newer
Toshibas can be, with very simple remote keypresses.

That makes them illicit to market here, if it can be accessed by the
consumer. The fact that they ARE marketed here doesn't make them any
less sub-conformal to the standard. Are any of those marketers based
here? I doubt it.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 15:48:21 -0500, Dick Sidbury
<drjamessidbury@hotmail.com> Gave us:

Not it's not illegal to bypass a copy protection mechanism. It's
illegal to defeat it. So if you could do a bit for bit copy that
wouldn't violate the DMCA. And of course if the DVD were not copy
protected then copying it would also not be illegal.

Making a file able to be read and copied from an encrypted DVD IS
defeating it, dipshit.

The law isn't about screwing with hardware to "defeat" the scheme,
it is about ANY use of the stream for other than standard viewing
purposes. If you decrypt, you are guilty. Period. Operation of a
disc in a normal player does not fall under the illicit decryption
rules.

So yes, it IS illegal because it is not a bypass, you jack-off.
Applying the bypass allow for the DEFEAT of the scheme, so applying
the bypass IS defeating the scheme, and DOES fall under the scope of
illicit behavior.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 20:56:04 GMT, Justin <nospam@insightbb.com> Gave
us:

:
Justin wrote:
Colon Terminus wrote on [Sat, 06 Mar 2004 19:01:16 GMT]:

No, NOT illegal to copy a DVD.
Illegal to circumvent the encryption on a DVD.


Yes, illegal to copy a DVD. It is illegal to bypass a copy protection
mechanism. Therefore, by copying it you are bypassing it.

Not it's not illegal to bypass a copy protection mechanism. It's
illegal to defeat it. So if you could do a bit for bit copy that
wouldn't violate the DMCA. And of course if the DVD were not copy
protected then copying it would also not be illegal.


By copying a copy protected DVD you are defeating the copy protection
mechanism. If you weren't defeating it then you wouldn't be copying it.

Thank you. That was much more succinct than my reply was.