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On 25/04/2023 20:38, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 17:02:00 +0100, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:
On 12/04/2023 14:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 18:26:03 +0100, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:
On 03/04/2023 18:17, Max Demian wrote:
On 02/04/2023 23:50, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 16:58:53 -0000, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
This is why we can\'t have proper double decker passenger trains
in the
UK. There were these https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SR_Class_4DD but
they
were only one-an-a-half deckers. I used to travel on them
sometimes; I
didn\'t realise they only made two trains like that.
How the hell did that work? Did they put short people on the top
deck?
No, they just kind of sat on the lower deck people\'s heads. I can\'t
find
a diagram.
I found something for you after all:
https://www.bloodandcustard.com/BR-4DD_files/image003.jpg
There were steps leading to the upper deck between the lower seats. The
upper deck had a high level window which couldn\'t be opened, which
meant
ventilation was poor.
Looks an efficient way of cramming people in like sardines. Until you
factor in the wasted space for the stairs.
They were never very popular. I only used them on a \"reverse commute\"
A what?
I worked further away from central London than I lived, so the trains
were almost empty.
On Wed, 26 Apr 2023 11:39:08 +0100, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:
On 25/04/2023 20:38, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 17:02:00 +0100, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:
On 12/04/2023 14:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 18:26:03 +0100, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:
On 03/04/2023 18:17, Max Demian wrote:
On 02/04/2023 23:50, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 16:58:53 -0000, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
This is why we can\'t have proper double decker passenger trains
in the
UK. There were these https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SR_Class_4DD
but
they
were only one-an-a-half deckers. I used to travel on them
sometimes; I
didn\'t realise they only made two trains like that.
How the hell did that work? Did they put short people on the top
deck?
No, they just kind of sat on the lower deck people\'s heads. I can\'t
find
a diagram.
I found something for you after all:
https://www.bloodandcustard.com/BR-4DD_files/image003.jpg
There were steps leading to the upper deck between the lower
seats. The
upper deck had a high level window which couldn\'t be opened, which
meant
ventilation was poor.
Looks an efficient way of cramming people in like sardines. Until you
factor in the wasted space for the stairs.
They were never very popular. I only used them on a \"reverse commute\"
A what?
I worked further away from central London than I lived, so the trains
were almost empty.
You worked in a nice quiet place and chose to live in a built up shithole?
No, I lived in an inner suburb (Lewisham, later Woolwich) and worked in
Thamesmead.
On 22/3/2023 6:01 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 19:57:03 -0000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 18:20:35 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 02:05:11 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 00:30:39 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 02 Mar 2023 03:09:14 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com
wrote:
On Wed, 01 Mar 2023 15:05:31 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why were they never made of something more grippy than highly
polished
steel?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Washington_Cog_Railway
Should be used on all tracks, then perhaps trains could stop in the
distance my car is required to by law.
Do the math.
If I did the maths I\'d get a more complete answer.
A fully laden coal car weighs about 140 tons. I\'ve never been
bored enough to count cars when I stopped at a crossing but there are a
lot of them. Let\'s say 30 for the sake of argument, 4200 tons plus the
weight of the engines. Let\'s say 4 at 200 tons each. So, roughly
5000 tons
traveling at 50 mph. That\'s quite a bit of kinetic energy to dump in
300\'.
I can hear snapping axles and see flying wheels.
But there are many wheels.
A fully laden truck/lorry/whatever you call them over there can\'t
stop as quick as a car, but it can stop in a safe distance. A train
cannot, it\'s not fit for purpose. If something unexpected happens,
it just ploughs through it. Trains are outdated technology and it\'s
high time we got rid of them. Maybe a maglev can stop quicker?
Trains are about 5x as efficient as trucks for moving stuff.
Depends which statistic you believe. And trains can only go where there
are tracks, so much loading and unloading and messing about at both ends.
Has maglev ever really worked? Most maglev systems came and went.
I thought all Japanese trains were maglev. You get a refund if you\'re
more than 10 seconds late.
You think a lot of things, most of them quite fanciful.
On 12/4/2023 11:04 pm, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 18:26:03 +0100, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:
On 03/04/2023 18:17, Max Demian wrote:
On 02/04/2023 23:50, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 16:58:53 -0000, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 22/03/2023 09:00, SteveW wrote:
On 22/03/2023 00:23, Bob F wrote:
On 3/21/2023 4:24 PM, SteveW wrote:
Containers go on trains here, but not usually entire trailers.
Due to
being the first to develop railways, they were mainly built with
bridges and tunnels too small to allow that.
They double stack containers here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-stack_rail_transport
Yes, I\'ve seen them before.
As you can see here: http://igg.org.uk/gansg/2-track/ukavgauge.jpg
the
AVERAGE loading gauge in England is far smaller. Some lines are
smaller
still and require locos and rolling stock with reduced height and/or
width.
This is why we can\'t have proper double decker passenger trains in the
UK. There were these https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SR_Class_4DD but
they
were only one-an-a-half deckers. I used to travel on them sometimes; I
didn\'t realise they only made two trains like that.
How the hell did that work? Did they put short people on the top deck?
No, they just kind of sat on the lower deck people\'s heads. I can\'t find
a diagram.
I found something for you after all:
https://www.bloodandcustard.com/BR-4DD_files/image003.jpg
There were steps leading to the upper deck between the lower seats. The
upper deck had a high level window which couldn\'t be opened, which meant
ventilation was poor.
Looks an efficient way of cramming people in like sardines. Until you
factor in the wasted space for the stairs.
Stairs? There\'s no stairs! Those pesky passengers on top have to climb
up to their seats. That\'s why there\'s always a big rush at the doors -
first in, best dressed on the lower seats.
On 21/05/2023 05:05, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 26 Apr 2023 11:39:08 +0100, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:
On 25/04/2023 20:38, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 17:02:00 +0100, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:
They were never very popular. I only used them on a \"reverse commute\"
A what?
I worked further away from central London than I lived, so the trains
were almost empty.
You worked in a nice quiet place and chose to live in a built up shithole?
No, I lived in an inner suburb (Lewisham, later Woolwich) and worked in
Thamesmead.