Light focusing tube

On 14/08/2019 06:41, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2019-08-13, klaus.kragelund@gmail.com <klaus.kragelund@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, 13 August 2019 09:31:26 UTC+2, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2019-08-12, Klaus Kragelund <klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi

I need a light focusing tube, to turn a green led with viewing angle of 120 degrees down to a small spot

Which LED, how small?

Can you use an SMD LED instead?

I cannot use a smaller LED. This one is a 5W++ one, so has a certain size

I guess you need some sort of lens then, but you cannot focus the spot any
smaller than the LED die because entropy.

A lens at each end with the LED/laser and detector at their respective
focus would be the most obvious way. Roughly parallel beam in between.


--
Regards,
Martin Brown
 
On Wednesday, 14 August 2019 06:14:50 UTC+2, nu...@bid.nes wrote:
On Tuesday, August 13, 2019 at 5:28:52 AM UTC-7, klaus.k...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, 13 August 2019 02:10:32 UTC+2, George Herold wrote:
On Monday, August 12, 2019 at 5:21:25 PM UTC-4, Klaus Kragelund wrote:
Hi

I need a light focusing tube, to turn a green led with viewing angle
of 120 degrees down to a small spot

I was thinking about light reflective mylar, but am open to suggestions?

This is for test equipment, so anything goes 😊

Regards

Klaus

Huh, we use to electroplate copper onto SS cones... very long tapers,
a few degrees.. to focus FIR (say 10-100 um) onto a detector.
One grad student designed a parabolic reflector..
that did better. This is not for imaging, but just gathering as many
photons as possible.

What about a lens?

Lens could be an option, but has to be indifferent to the length from
the object, so it is robust against production changes

Sounds more and more like you need a cheap laser diode w/driver then, not an LED. Does the spot of light *have* to be green?

Yes, a Laser seems to be the way forward

And it has to be green

Cheers

Klaus
 
On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 8:35:32 AM UTC-4, klaus.k...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, 14 August 2019 06:14:50 UTC+2, nu...@bid.nes wrote:
On Tuesday, August 13, 2019 at 5:28:52 AM UTC-7, klaus.k...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, 13 August 2019 02:10:32 UTC+2, George Herold wrote:
On Monday, August 12, 2019 at 5:21:25 PM UTC-4, Klaus Kragelund wrote:
Hi

I need a light focusing tube, to turn a green led with viewing angle
of 120 degrees down to a small spot

I was thinking about light reflective mylar, but am open to suggestions?

This is for test equipment, so anything goes 😊

Regards

Klaus

Huh, we use to electroplate copper onto SS cones... very long tapers,
a few degrees.. to focus FIR (say 10-100 um) onto a detector.
One grad student designed a parabolic reflector..
that did better. This is not for imaging, but just gathering as many
photons as possible.

What about a lens?

Lens could be an option, but has to be indifferent to the length from
the object, so it is robust against production changes

Sounds more and more like you need a cheap laser diode w/driver then, not an LED. Does the spot of light *have* to be green?

Yes, a Laser seems to be the way forward

And it has to be green

Cheers

Klaus

Well you're in luck then, direct green laser diodes are now on the market.
(hmm not much stock... and you have to drive them hard for ~40 mW of power.)
https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/osram-opto-semiconductors-inc/PL-520_B1/PL520_B1-ND/5719264

8 volts V_F at 100= mA.... It's gonna get hot too!.

How many photons/ sec do you need?

George H.
 
On 15/08/2019 14:28, George Herold wrote:
On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 8:35:32 AM UTC-4, klaus.k...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, 14 August 2019 06:14:50 UTC+2, nu...@bid.nes wrote:
On Tuesday, August 13, 2019 at 5:28:52 AM UTC-7, klaus.k...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, 13 August 2019 02:10:32 UTC+2, George Herold wrote:
On Monday, August 12, 2019 at 5:21:25 PM UTC-4, Klaus Kragelund wrote:
Hi

I need a light focusing tube, to turn a green led with viewing angle
of 120 degrees down to a small spot

I was thinking about light reflective mylar, but am open to suggestions?

This is for test equipment, so anything goes 😊

Regards

Klaus

Huh, we use to electroplate copper onto SS cones... very long tapers,
a few degrees.. to focus FIR (say 10-100 um) onto a detector.
One grad student designed a parabolic reflector..
that did better. This is not for imaging, but just gathering as many
photons as possible.

What about a lens?

Lens could be an option, but has to be indifferent to the length from
the object, so it is robust against production changes

Sounds more and more like you need a cheap laser diode w/driver then, not an LED. Does the spot of light *have* to be green?

Yes, a Laser seems to be the way forward

And it has to be green

Cheers

Klaus

Well you're in luck then, direct green laser diodes are now on the market.
(hmm not much stock... and you have to drive them hard for ~40 mW of power.)
https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/osram-opto-semiconductors-inc/PL-520_B1/PL520_B1-ND/5719264

8 volts V_F at 100= mA.... It's gonna get hot too!.

How many photons/ sec do you need?

That's a worryingly large amount of coherent radiation needing safety
interlocks. A class 3A 5mW green laser pointer will comfortably put a
spot onto high clouds and be easily visible in daylight at closer range.
Class 2 <1mW would be safer.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown
 
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in
news:39o5lelfm80svuoboetrfdgeokihnbteib@4ax.com:

On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:21:21 -0700 (PDT), Klaus Kragelund
klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote:

I need a light focusing tube, to turn a green led with viewing
angle of 120 degrees down to a small spot I was thinking about
light reflective mylar, but am open to suggestions? This is for
test equipment, so anything goes ?

Fiberoptic light pipe:
https://www.mouser.com/Optoelectronics/LED-Indication/LED-Light-Pi
pes/_/N-b1d20?P=1yzug3o> The 60 degree entry angle worries me. I
guess try it and see if the pipe grabs all the light, or just get
a wide diameter fat pipe. There are adapaters to install a lens
on the end.
https://www.google.com/search?q=fiber+optic+light+pipes+led&tbm=is
ch> Some interesting stuff:
https://i-fiberoptics.com/engineering.php?summary=104&cat=light-pi
pe-kits

When I worked at the IR thermometry place, we used an optically
correct fiber pipe to segregate the bolometer from the front end
optics. It had a half turn in it mid span so righted our single lens
design making spot aiming easier. It also created a planar face for
the IR 'image' to be cast upon, whereas the bolometer devices
typically have the actual bolometer a couple mm below an IR window.
Easier to focus on the 'face' of the end of the optical 'stick'.

It was comprised of a bundle of indexed fibers bonded together when
the stick is made and that is also when they apply the half twist in
the center. I still have one somewhere. It had a small chip at the
edge of one end.

One could place it against one's fingertip at one end and look at
the other and see the fingerprint ridges quite clearly. Optical
clarity, in fact, as the faces were polished. They were about 3mm in
diameter. Maybe 4mm.
 
On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 7:15:15 AM UTC-7, Martin Brown wrote:
On 15/08/2019 14:28, George Herold wrote:
On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 8:35:32 AM UTC-4, klaus.k...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, 14 August 2019 06:14:50 UTC+2, nu...@bid.nes wrote:
On Tuesday, August 13, 2019 at 5:28:52 AM UTC-7, klaus.k...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, 13 August 2019 02:10:32 UTC+2, George Herold wrote:
On Monday, August 12, 2019 at 5:21:25 PM UTC-4, Klaus Kragelund wrote:
Hi

I need a light focusing tube, to turn a green led with viewing angle
of 120 degrees down to a small spot

I was thinking about light reflective mylar, but am open to
suggestions?

This is for test equipment, so anything goes 😊

Regards

Klaus

Huh, we use to electroplate copper onto SS cones... very long tapers,
a few degrees.. to focus FIR (say 10-100 um) onto a detector.
One grad student designed a parabolic reflector..
that did better. This is not for imaging, but just gathering as many
photons as possible.

What about a lens?

Lens could be an option, but has to be indifferent to the length from
the object, so it is robust against production changes

Sounds more and more like you need a cheap laser diode w/driver
then, not an LED. Does the spot of light *have* to be green?

Yes, a Laser seems to be the way forward

And it has to be green

Cheers

Klaus

Well you're in luck then, direct green laser diodes are now on the market.
(hmm not much stock... and you have to drive them hard for ~40 mW of power.)
https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/osram-opto-semiconductors-inc/PL-520_B1/PL520_B1-ND/5719264

8 volts V_F at 100= mA.... It's gonna get hot too!.

How many photons/ sec do you need?

That's a worryingly large amount of coherent radiation needing safety
interlocks. A class 3A 5mW green laser pointer will comfortably put a
spot onto high clouds and be easily visible in daylight at closer range.
Class 2 <1mW would be safer.

"Worryingly large amount" indeed- am I reading that datasheet correctly?
30 mW optical power output *minimum*?

What's being tested- burn resistance?


Mark L. Fergerson
 
On 17/08/2019 05:42, nuny@bid.nes wrote:
On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 7:15:15 AM UTC-7, Martin Brown wrote:
On 15/08/2019 14:28, George Herold wrote:
On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 8:35:32 AM UTC-4, klaus.k...@gmail.com wrote:

Yes, a Laser seems to be the way forward

And it has to be green

Cheers

Klaus

Well you're in luck then, direct green laser diodes are now on the market.
(hmm not much stock... and you have to drive them hard for ~40 mW of power.)
https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/osram-opto-semiconductors-inc/PL-520_B1/PL520_B1-ND/5719264

8 volts V_F at 100= mA.... It's gonna get hot too!.

How many photons/ sec do you need?

That's a worryingly large amount of coherent radiation needing safety
interlocks. A class 3A 5mW green laser pointer will comfortably put a
spot onto high clouds and be easily visible in daylight at closer range.
Class 2 <1mW would be safer.

"Worryingly large amount" indeed- am I reading that datasheet correctly?
30 mW optical power output *minimum*?

What's being tested- burn resistance?

Mark L. Fergerson

The other thing to watch with cheap green LED lasers is that they may
have an unspeakable amount of near IR NdYAG 1064nm leakage. Makes them
good for popping balloons and the like but not so good in a laser
pointer unless you want the thing being pointed at to catch fire.

I recall some green 532nm leakage visible in our UV 266nm offering
(although that was a slight benefit meaning you could see the beam).

The battle was always for using ever shorter wavelengths at decent power
for laser ablation work - it saves all that messy wet corrosive
chemistry stuff going directly from solid to plasma phase/fine dust.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown
 

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