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[Dimiter_Popoff]

On 7/15/2022 19:35, Phil Hobbs wrote:

Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/14/2022 19:22, Phil Hobbs wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 7:56:21 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened
whit3rd
whi...@gmail.com> wrote in
62706c9e-b801-47da...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:

Try google for US regime change since WW2

Nothing in such a list really compares with, for a modern
example, the ongoing invasion in Ukraine. Mostly, it was when we
were all infants.
Biggest regime change during that period, was Mao in China; no US
involvement
to speak of.

And then US created HIV, killed many many people,

That fails any kind of reality check.

and recently Dr Faulty (or whatever his name was) financed creating
covid and that backfired too and killed millions.

... which also fails a number of reality checks.   Dr. Fauci, for
instance, was clearly at work on the wrong
continent to connect with the outbreak.   A hundred more conspiracy
rumors can be found, or created,
but ought not command our respect either.

RationalWiki calls this sort of thing a Gish Gallop.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop


Guys, Jan is just winding you up.  He does it all the time.  Try
teasing him back about cheese, or mud, or little boys with their
fingers in dikes, or, wrongheaded environmental regulations that are
going to cause starvation overseas--you know, the stuff Holland is
famous for.


I don\'t think he is. I know other people who follow/sympathize with the
Russian media bullshit and they all seriously believe all that nonsense.
In fact you won\'t believe how far it goes, I know a guy - an engineer,
technical support on the nuclear power plant here - who genuinely
believes that and more - e.g. that the moon landings were just a fake,
*all* sorts of utter nonsense. And he is far from alone, many of the
people in his working environment are no better.
I know how ludicrous this all sounds to a sane person but there seems
to be some sort of mental illness making plenty of people prone to
the ridiculous Russian propaganda (if you could understand Russian
and listened to it for 5 minutes the effect on you would be
literally jaw dropping, yet plenty of people fall for it).

He does it about other stuff too.  Jan has a puckish sense of humor as
well as many strong opinions, and posts enough sane and reasonable
on-topic stuff that he gets taken seriously.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

I know he does it and I agree his on topic posts can be taken seriously.
And I stand by my post about his pro-Russian nonsense.

 

[Phil Hobbs]

Dimiter_Popoff wrote:

On 7/15/2022 19:35, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/14/2022 19:22, Phil Hobbs wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 7:56:21 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened
whit3rd
whi...@gmail.com> wrote in
62706c9e-b801-47da...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:

Try google for US regime change since WW2

Nothing in such a list really compares with, for a modern
example, the ongoing invasion in Ukraine. Mostly, it was when we
were all infants.
Biggest regime change during that period, was Mao in China; no US
involvement
to speak of.

And then US created HIV, killed many many people,

That fails any kind of reality check.

and recently Dr Faulty (or whatever his name was) financed
creating covid and that backfired too and killed millions.

... which also fails a number of reality checks.   Dr. Fauci, for
instance, was clearly at work on the wrong
continent to connect with the outbreak.   A hundred more conspiracy
rumors can be found, or created,
but ought not command our respect either.

RationalWiki calls this sort of thing a Gish Gallop.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop


Guys, Jan is just winding you up.  He does it all the time.  Try
teasing him back about cheese, or mud, or little boys with their
fingers in dikes, or, wrongheaded environmental regulations that are
going to cause starvation overseas--you know, the stuff Holland is
famous for.


I don\'t think he is. I know other people who follow/sympathize with the
Russian media bullshit and they all seriously believe all that nonsense.
In fact you won\'t believe how far it goes, I know a guy - an engineer,
technical support on the nuclear power plant here - who genuinely
believes that and more - e.g. that the moon landings were just a fake,
*all* sorts of utter nonsense. And he is far from alone, many of the
people in his working environment are no better.
I know how ludicrous this all sounds to a sane person but there seems
to be some sort of mental illness making plenty of people prone to
the ridiculous Russian propaganda (if you could understand Russian
and listened to it for 5 minutes the effect on you would be
literally jaw dropping, yet plenty of people fall for it).

He does it about other stuff too.  Jan has a puckish sense of humor as
well as many strong opinions, and posts enough sane and reasonable
on-topic stuff that he gets taken seriously.


I know he does it and I agree his on topic posts can be taken seriously.
And I stand by my post about his pro-Russian nonsense.

I follow a Latvian podcaster (Kristaps Andrejsons,
<https://theeasternborder.lv>). One of his regular segments is
translating the amusing pro-Russian propaganda of one Igor Girkin, which
is very much along the lines you mention.

I\'m just not at all sure Jan actually believes it. (FWIW I think that
enlarging NATO all the way up to Russia\'s border is geopolitical
insanity, but not because of any good opinion of Putin on my part. Once
a KGB colonel, always a KGB colonel.)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

fredag den 15. juli 2022 kl. 20.44.33 UTC+2 skrev Phil Hobbs:

Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/15/2022 19:35, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/14/2022 19:22, Phil Hobbs wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 7:56:21 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened
whit3rd
whi...@gmail.com> wrote in
62706c9e-b801-47da...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:

Try google for US regime change since WW2

Nothing in such a list really compares with, for a modern
example, the ongoing invasion in Ukraine. Mostly, it was when we
were all infants.
Biggest regime change during that period, was Mao in China; no US
involvement
to speak of.

And then US created HIV, killed many many people,

That fails any kind of reality check.

and recently Dr Faulty (or whatever his name was) financed
creating covid and that backfired too and killed millions.

... which also fails a number of reality checks. Dr. Fauci, for
instance, was clearly at work on the wrong
continent to connect with the outbreak. A hundred more conspiracy
rumors can be found, or created,
but ought not command our respect either.

RationalWiki calls this sort of thing a Gish Gallop.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop


Guys, Jan is just winding you up. He does it all the time. Try
teasing him back about cheese, or mud, or little boys with their
fingers in dikes, or, wrongheaded environmental regulations that are
going to cause starvation overseas--you know, the stuff Holland is
famous for.


I don\'t think he is. I know other people who follow/sympathize with the
Russian media bullshit and they all seriously believe all that nonsense.
In fact you won\'t believe how far it goes, I know a guy - an engineer,
technical support on the nuclear power plant here - who genuinely
believes that and more - e.g. that the moon landings were just a fake,
*all* sorts of utter nonsense. And he is far from alone, many of the
people in his working environment are no better.
I know how ludicrous this all sounds to a sane person but there seems
to be some sort of mental illness making plenty of people prone to
the ridiculous Russian propaganda (if you could understand Russian
and listened to it for 5 minutes the effect on you would be
literally jaw dropping, yet plenty of people fall for it).

He does it about other stuff too. Jan has a puckish sense of humor as
well as many strong opinions, and posts enough sane and reasonable
on-topic stuff that he gets taken seriously.


I know he does it and I agree his on topic posts can be taken seriously.
And I stand by my post about his pro-Russian nonsense.
I follow a Latvian podcaster (Kristaps Andrejsons,
https://theeasternborder.lv>). One of his regular segments is
translating the amusing pro-Russian propaganda of one Igor Girkin, which
is very much along the lines you mention.

I\'m just not at all sure Jan actually believes it. (FWIW I think that
enlarging NATO all the way up to Russia\'s border is geopolitical
insanity, but not because of any good opinion of Putin on my part. Once
a KGB colonel, always a KGB colonel.)

Ukraine was no/is where near fulfilling the requirements to join NATO
So Putin can\'t use that as an excuse

 

[Dimiter_Popoff]

On 7/15/2022 21:44, Phil Hobbs wrote:

Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/15/2022 19:35, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/14/2022 19:22, Phil Hobbs wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 7:56:21 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it
happened whit3rd
whi...@gmail.com> wrote in
62706c9e-b801-47da...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje
wrote:

Try google for US regime change since WW2

Nothing in such a list really compares with, for a modern
example, the ongoing invasion in Ukraine. Mostly, it was when we
were all infants.
Biggest regime change during that period, was Mao in China; no
US involvement
to speak of.

And then US created HIV, killed many many people,

That fails any kind of reality check.

and recently Dr Faulty (or whatever his name was) financed
creating covid and that backfired too and killed millions.

... which also fails a number of reality checks.   Dr. Fauci, for
instance, was clearly at work on the wrong
continent to connect with the outbreak.   A hundred more
conspiracy rumors can be found, or created,
but ought not command our respect either.

RationalWiki calls this sort of thing a Gish Gallop.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop


Guys, Jan is just winding you up.  He does it all the time.  Try
teasing him back about cheese, or mud, or little boys with their
fingers in dikes, or, wrongheaded environmental regulations that
are going to cause starvation overseas--you know, the stuff Holland
is famous for.


I don\'t think he is. I know other people who follow/sympathize with the
Russian media bullshit and they all seriously believe all that
nonsense.
In fact you won\'t believe how far it goes, I know a guy - an engineer,
technical support on the nuclear power plant here - who genuinely
believes that and more - e.g. that the moon landings were just a fake,
*all* sorts of utter nonsense. And he is far from alone, many of the
people in his working environment are no better.
I know how ludicrous this all sounds to a sane person but there seems
to be some sort of mental illness making plenty of people prone to
the ridiculous Russian propaganda (if you could understand Russian
and listened to it for 5 minutes the effect on you would be
literally jaw dropping, yet plenty of people fall for it).

He does it about other stuff too.  Jan has a puckish sense of humor
as well as many strong opinions, and posts enough sane and reasonable
on-topic stuff that he gets taken seriously.


I know he does it and I agree his on topic posts can be taken seriously.
And I stand by my post about his pro-Russian nonsense.

I follow a Latvian podcaster (Kristaps Andrejsons,
https://theeasternborder.lv>).  One of his regular segments is
translating the amusing pro-Russian propaganda of one Igor Girkin, which
is very much along the lines you mention.

I\'m just not at all sure Jan actually believes it.

Well I hope you are right. But I did not sense any irony in his posts
on that topic, may be I just don\'t know him well enough.

  (FWIW I think that
enlarging NATO all the way up to Russia\'s border is geopolitical
insanity, but not because of any good opinion of Putin on my part.  Once
a KGB colonel, always a KGB colonel.)

Insanity or not, on this world we all live with two options - swallow or
be swallowed. It would be a shame if our civilization is lost because
it was swallowed by the barbarians; it will be triple shame if it gets
swallowed without giving a fight.

 

[Jasen Betts]

On 2022-07-15, Edward Hernandez Smells Funny <view@post.header> wrote:

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Edward Hernandez Loves Porn wrote:

My ophthalmologist does conventional surgery. He also regularly uses a
laser beam on certain patient\'s eyes.

One of multiple uses of a laser beam directed at the eyes of people is
for cutting stitches after a Trabeculectomy. Somehow the laser cuts the
stitch without damaging tissue on the way there. Doesn\'t even hurt.

After cataract surgery, I got a \"secondary cataract\", namely clouding
of the rear part of the lens capsule. My doc sawed a hole in the center
part of the capsule with a YAG laser. That took a few minutes. He left
some ragged edges that scattered light, so another guy trimmed that
later.

I also had my retina lasered to make scar tissue dots, to keep it welded
to the back of my eyeball; my retinas tend to tear and detach, so that
helps.

I have to do the cataract surgery and retina repair/vitrectomy to my
other eye soon. I\'ll ask them to spot weld that one too.

So far, all this eye lasering works great and is quick and painless.

Does anybody know how the laser beam energy is concentrated at a specific
distance from the laser, so the beam doesn\'t damage tissue on the way to
that point?

they use a convex lens to concentrate the laser, in much the same way
that one can be used to concentrate sunlight. So this only works through
transparent tissue,

--
Jasen.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 11:32:03 PM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 14:27:07 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <d...@tgi-sci.com> wrote:
On 7/14/2022 19:22, Phil Hobbs wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 7:56:21 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote in <62706c9e-b801-47da...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:

<snip>

I know how ludicrous this all sounds to a sane person but there seems
to be some sort of mental illness making plenty of people prone to
the ridiculous Russian propaganda (if you could understand Russian
and listened to it for 5 minutes the effect on you would be
literally jaw dropping, yet plenty of people fall for it).

I worked in the USSR for a month. It is a very weird place. It would
be great if they could become a prosperous and boring european
country, but I think they are too damaged by their language and
history.

The idea that Russian could be some kind of Babel-17 with built-in error generation is a trifle improbable.

Every country is shaped - and damaged - by their history. If you haven\'t invested enough in manufacturing capacity, transport, public health service and education, your capacity to invest more in those areas is compromised.

The US stopped investing enough a few years ago. Russia never did - Lenin did electrify the country in the 1920\'s, but that merely got them up from backwards to primitive, though the country was big enough that even a primitive manufacturing base was enough to let them out-produce, and eventually defeat the more advanced, but less numerous, Germans by 1945.

Putin is trying to grow Russia\'s economy by taking over it\'s neighbours. Since this involves shelling the Ukraine back into the stone age before taking it over, this has to be a pretty silly idea.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Saturday, July 16, 2022 at 1:00:28 AM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 17:20:24 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <d...@tgi-sci.com> wrote:
On 7/15/2022 16:31, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 14:27:07 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <d...@tgi-sci.com> wrote:
On 7/14/2022 19:22, Phil Hobbs wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 7:56:21 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote in <62706c9e-b801-47da...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:

What is puzzling is how people *outside* of the Russian environment
sympathize with the Russian imperial ambitions and believe their
propaganda nonsense.

In the times before WWII it was obvious that the USSR was run by
murderous psychopaths, but there were lots of people in England and
the US who idolized the workers paradise.

Not all that many. H.G. wells wasn\'t too impressed by Stalin.

Part of the reason for such people to exist must be some plain
inferiority complex, they see themselves as having no chance in the
civilized world so they look for the saviour, being fine with one
who would erase the civilization they cannot fit in the way they
would like to.

But may be there is more than that to it, to fall for the *utter
nonsense* of the Russian propaganda takes some sort of a mental
condition.

Yes. When theory is confounded by reality, some people stick with
theory.

John Larkin can\'t process the facts that show that anthropogenic global warming is happening right now, and like\'s the theory that says that all these facts are being invented by a global conspiracy of climate scientists

I made two good friends when I was in the USSR, and both came to live
with me here for a year or so. Sergei, the native Russian, never
learned English and didn\'t like America and went back to Moscow. Nick,
a Ukranian, loved the US and stayed and imported his family. He\'s an
IT consultant in Sacramento.

Never learning English seems to have been the crucial difference. There may be something wrong with John Larkin\'s English, or perhaps just with the ideas he uses his English to express.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Phil Hobbs]

Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:

fredag den 15. juli 2022 kl. 20.44.33 UTC+2 skrev Phil Hobbs:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/15/2022 19:35, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/14/2022 19:22, Phil Hobbs wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 7:56:21 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened
whit3rd
whi...@gmail.com> wrote in
62706c9e-b801-47da...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:

Try google for US regime change since WW2

Nothing in such a list really compares with, for a modern
example, the ongoing invasion in Ukraine. Mostly, it was when we
were all infants.
Biggest regime change during that period, was Mao in China; no US
involvement
to speak of.

And then US created HIV, killed many many people,

That fails any kind of reality check.

and recently Dr Faulty (or whatever his name was) financed
creating covid and that backfired too and killed millions.

... which also fails a number of reality checks. Dr. Fauci, for
instance, was clearly at work on the wrong
continent to connect with the outbreak. A hundred more conspiracy
rumors can be found, or created,
but ought not command our respect either.

RationalWiki calls this sort of thing a Gish Gallop.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop


Guys, Jan is just winding you up. He does it all the time. Try
teasing him back about cheese, or mud, or little boys with their
fingers in dikes, or, wrongheaded environmental regulations that are
going to cause starvation overseas--you know, the stuff Holland is
famous for.


I don\'t think he is. I know other people who follow/sympathize with the
Russian media bullshit and they all seriously believe all that nonsense.
In fact you won\'t believe how far it goes, I know a guy - an engineer,
technical support on the nuclear power plant here - who genuinely
believes that and more - e.g. that the moon landings were just a fake,
*all* sorts of utter nonsense. And he is far from alone, many of the
people in his working environment are no better.
I know how ludicrous this all sounds to a sane person but there seems
to be some sort of mental illness making plenty of people prone to
the ridiculous Russian propaganda (if you could understand Russian
and listened to it for 5 minutes the effect on you would be
literally jaw dropping, yet plenty of people fall for it).

He does it about other stuff too. Jan has a puckish sense of humor as
well as many strong opinions, and posts enough sane and reasonable
on-topic stuff that he gets taken seriously.


I know he does it and I agree his on topic posts can be taken seriously.
And I stand by my post about his pro-Russian nonsense.
I follow a Latvian podcaster (Kristaps Andrejsons,
https://theeasternborder.lv>). One of his regular segments is
translating the amusing pro-Russian propaganda of one Igor Girkin, which
is very much along the lines you mention.

I\'m just not at all sure Jan actually believes it. (FWIW I think that
enlarging NATO all the way up to Russia\'s border is geopolitical
insanity, but not because of any good opinion of Putin on my part. Once
a KGB colonel, always a KGB colonel.)

Ukraine was no/is where near fulfilling the requirements to join NATO
So Putin can\'t use that as an excuse

Finland?

(Not even counting the coup the Obama swamp launched in Ukraine in 2014.)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

[Phil Hobbs]

Dimiter_Popoff wrote:

On 7/15/2022 21:44, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/15/2022 19:35, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/14/2022 19:22, Phil Hobbs wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 7:56:21 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje
wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it
happened whit3rd
whi...@gmail.com> wrote in
62706c9e-b801-47da...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje
wrote:

Try google for US regime change since WW2

Nothing in such a list really compares with, for a modern
example, the ongoing invasion in Ukraine. Mostly, it was when
we were all infants.
Biggest regime change during that period, was Mao in China; no
US involvement
to speak of.

And then US created HIV, killed many many people,

That fails any kind of reality check.

and recently Dr Faulty (or whatever his name was) financed
creating covid and that backfired too and killed millions.

... which also fails a number of reality checks.   Dr. Fauci, for
instance, was clearly at work on the wrong
continent to connect with the outbreak.   A hundred more
conspiracy rumors can be found, or created,
but ought not command our respect either.

RationalWiki calls this sort of thing a Gish Gallop.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop


Guys, Jan is just winding you up.  He does it all the time.  Try
teasing him back about cheese, or mud, or little boys with their
fingers in dikes, or, wrongheaded environmental regulations that
are going to cause starvation overseas--you know, the stuff
Holland is famous for.


I don\'t think he is. I know other people who follow/sympathize with
the
Russian media bullshit and they all seriously believe all that
nonsense.
In fact you won\'t believe how far it goes, I know a guy - an engineer,
technical support on the nuclear power plant here - who genuinely
believes that and more - e.g. that the moon landings were just a fake,
*all* sorts of utter nonsense. And he is far from alone, many of the
people in his working environment are no better.
I know how ludicrous this all sounds to a sane person but there seems
to be some sort of mental illness making plenty of people prone to
the ridiculous Russian propaganda (if you could understand Russian
and listened to it for 5 minutes the effect on you would be
literally jaw dropping, yet plenty of people fall for it).

He does it about other stuff too.  Jan has a puckish sense of humor
as well as many strong opinions, and posts enough sane and
reasonable on-topic stuff that he gets taken seriously.


I know he does it and I agree his on topic posts can be taken seriously.
And I stand by my post about his pro-Russian nonsense.

I follow a Latvian podcaster (Kristaps Andrejsons,
https://theeasternborder.lv>).  One of his regular segments is
translating the amusing pro-Russian propaganda of one Igor Girkin,
which is very much along the lines you mention.

I\'m just not at all sure Jan actually believes it.

Well I hope you are right. But I did not sense any irony in his posts
on that topic, may be I just don\'t know him well enough.

  (FWIW I think that enlarging NATO all the way up to Russia\'s border
is geopolitical insanity, but not because of any good opinion of Putin
on my part.  Once a KGB colonel, always a KGB colonel.)

Insanity or not, on this world we all live with two options - swallow or
be swallowed.

You\'ve lived in the Balkans too long.

It would be a shame if our civilization is lost because
it was swallowed by the barbarians; it will be triple shame if it gets
swallowed without giving a fight.

Yup. One of the things I really miss about the Cold War was that most
of the commies were overseas.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Jul 2022 09:33:22 -0400) it happened Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote in
<9a675cd5-a5d3-fa92-6f3d-0fc0f4c3d538@electrooptical.net>:

Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/15/2022 21:44, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/15/2022 19:35, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/14/2022 19:22, Phil Hobbs wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 7:56:21 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje
wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it
happened whit3rd
whi...@gmail.com> wrote in
62706c9e-b801-47da...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje
wrote:

Try google for US regime change since WW2

Nothing in such a list really compares with, for a modern
example, the ongoing invasion in Ukraine. Mostly, it was when
we were all infants.
Biggest regime change during that period, was Mao in China; no
US involvement
to speak of.

And then US created HIV, killed many many people,

That fails any kind of reality check.

and recently Dr Faulty (or whatever his name was) financed
creating covid and that backfired too and killed millions.

... which also fails a number of reality checks.   Dr. Fauci, for
instance, was clearly at work on the wrong
continent to connect with the outbreak.   A hundred more
conspiracy rumors can be found, or created,
but ought not command our respect either.

RationalWiki calls this sort of thing a Gish Gallop.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop


Guys, Jan is just winding you up.  He does it all the time.  Try
teasing him back about cheese, or mud, or little boys with their
fingers in dikes, or, wrongheaded environmental regulations that
are going to cause starvation overseas--you know, the stuff
Holland is famous for.


I don\'t think he is. I know other people who follow/sympathize with
the
Russian media bullshit and they all seriously believe all that
nonsense.
In fact you won\'t believe how far it goes, I know a guy - an engineer,
technical support on the nuclear power plant here - who genuinely
believes that and more - e.g. that the moon landings were just a fake,
*all* sorts of utter nonsense. And he is far from alone, many of the
people in his working environment are no better.
I know how ludicrous this all sounds to a sane person but there seems
to be some sort of mental illness making plenty of people prone to
the ridiculous Russian propaganda (if you could understand Russian
and listened to it for 5 minutes the effect on you would be
literally jaw dropping, yet plenty of people fall for it).

He does it about other stuff too.  Jan has a puckish sense of humor
as well as many strong opinions, and posts enough sane and
reasonable on-topic stuff that he gets taken seriously.


I know he does it and I agree his on topic posts can be taken seriously.
And I stand by my post about his pro-Russian nonsense.

I follow a Latvian podcaster (Kristaps Andrejsons,
https://theeasternborder.lv>).  One of his regular segments is
translating the amusing pro-Russian propaganda of one Igor Girkin,
which is very much along the lines you mention.

I\'m just not at all sure Jan actually believes it.

Well I hope you are right. But I did not sense any irony in his posts
on that topic, may be I just don\'t know him well enough.

  (FWIW I think that enlarging NATO all the way up to Russia\'s border
is geopolitical insanity, but not because of any good opinion of Putin
on my part.  Once a KGB colonel, always a KGB colonel.)

Insanity or not, on this world we all live with two options - swallow or
be swallowed.

You\'ve lived in the Balkans too long.

It would be a shame if our civilization is lost because
it was swallowed by the barbarians; it will be triple shame if it gets
swallowed without giving a fight.

Yup. One of the things I really miss about the Cold War was that most
of the commies were overseas.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Peaple like McCarthy did see commies everywhere in the US,
googgle wikipedia mccarthysism

ByeThen wants a common enemy to destract from his total failure
You puppet, you dance,

Simple Simon says:
clap your hands ...
sort of song comes to mind.

 

[Dimiter_Popoff]

On 7/17/2022 16:33, Phil Hobbs wrote:

Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/15/2022 21:44, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/15/2022 19:35, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/14/2022 19:22, Phil Hobbs wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 7:56:21 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje
wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it
happened whit3rd
whi...@gmail.com> wrote in
62706c9e-b801-47da...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje
wrote:

Try google for US regime change since WW2

Nothing in such a list really compares with, for a modern
example, the ongoing invasion in Ukraine. Mostly, it was when
we were all infants.
Biggest regime change during that period, was Mao in China; no
US involvement
to speak of.

And then US created HIV, killed many many people,

That fails any kind of reality check.

and recently Dr Faulty (or whatever his name was) financed
creating covid and that backfired too and killed millions.

... which also fails a number of reality checks.   Dr. Fauci,
for instance, was clearly at work on the wrong
continent to connect with the outbreak.   A hundred more
conspiracy rumors can be found, or created,
but ought not command our respect either.

RationalWiki calls this sort of thing a Gish Gallop.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop


Guys, Jan is just winding you up.  He does it all the time.  Try
teasing him back about cheese, or mud, or little boys with their
fingers in dikes, or, wrongheaded environmental regulations that
are going to cause starvation overseas--you know, the stuff
Holland is famous for.


I don\'t think he is. I know other people who follow/sympathize
with the
Russian media bullshit and they all seriously believe all that
nonsense.
In fact you won\'t believe how far it goes, I know a guy - an
engineer,
technical support on the nuclear power plant here - who genuinely
believes that and more - e.g. that the moon landings were just a
fake,
*all* sorts of utter nonsense. And he is far from alone, many of the
people in his working environment are no better.
I know how ludicrous this all sounds to a sane person but there seems
to be some sort of mental illness making plenty of people prone to
the ridiculous Russian propaganda (if you could understand Russian
and listened to it for 5 minutes the effect on you would be
literally jaw dropping, yet plenty of people fall for it).

He does it about other stuff too.  Jan has a puckish sense of humor
as well as many strong opinions, and posts enough sane and
reasonable on-topic stuff that he gets taken seriously.


I know he does it and I agree his on topic posts can be taken
seriously.
And I stand by my post about his pro-Russian nonsense.

I follow a Latvian podcaster (Kristaps Andrejsons,
https://theeasternborder.lv>).  One of his regular segments is
translating the amusing pro-Russian propaganda of one Igor Girkin,
which is very much along the lines you mention.

I\'m just not at all sure Jan actually believes it.

Well I hope you are right. But I did not sense any irony in his posts
on that topic, may be I just don\'t know him well enough.

  (FWIW I think that enlarging NATO all the way up to Russia\'s border
is geopolitical insanity, but not because of any good opinion of
Putin on my part.  Once a KGB colonel, always a KGB colonel.)

Insanity or not, on this world we all live with two options - swallow or
be swallowed.

You\'ve lived in the Balkans too long.

Living under a more direct threat certainly makes you more open-eyed
about the world\'s vulnerabilities, of course.

It would be a shame if our civilization is lost because
it was swallowed by the barbarians; it will be triple shame if it gets
swallowed without giving a fight.

Yup.  One of the things I really miss about the Cold War was that most
of the commies were overseas.

Today there are really no \"commies\", those who identify as such are
just hypocrites. The real danger comes from the KGB mafia, which has
spread its tentacles worldwide. The Chinese are following closely.

I can sympathize with your lost feeling of having all (well, most)
the truly criminal statesmen abroad but for me that time meant I had
to live under them... (back then I \"defected\" because of this).

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 11:31:38 PM UTC+10, Phil Hobbs wrote:

Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
fredag den 15. juli 2022 kl. 20.44.33 UTC+2 skrev Phil Hobbs:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/15/2022 19:35, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/14/2022 19:22, Phil Hobbs wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 7:56:21 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened
whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote in <62706c9e-b801-47da...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:

<snip>

I\'m just not at all sure Jan actually believes it. (FWIW I think that
enlarging NATO all the way up to Russia\'s border is geopolitical
insanity, but not because of any good opinion of Putin on my part. Once
a KGB colonel, always a KGB colonel.)

With an expansionist creep like Putin in charge in Russia, places bordering on Russia would have to be insane to skip signing up with any defensive alliance that would have them. Putin is bound to see it as a provocation, but if he can\'t see a real provocation he\'ll invent one anyway, so inaction isn\'t a viable option.

Ukraine was no/is where near fulfilling the requirements to join NATO
So Putin can\'t use that as an excuse

Finland?

(Not even counting the coup the Obama swamp launched in Ukraine in 2014.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity

Wikipedia does seems to think that that was largely home-grown. The US does seem to have had an opinion about it, but \"launched\" does sound like a Flyguy level right-wing fantasy.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[whit3rd]

On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 9:45:25 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:

Peaple like McCarthy did see commies everywhere in the US,
googgle wikipedia mccarthysism

Yeah, we Americans figured McCarthy was excessive, long
before Jan did. He has been an historic example for us to avoid.
So was Stalin, even for his native Russia.

 

[server]

On Sun, 17 Jul 2022 16:35:41 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Jul 2022 09:33:22 -0400) it happened Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote in
9a675cd5-a5d3-fa92-6f3d-0fc0f4c3d538@electrooptical.net>:

Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/15/2022 21:44, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/15/2022 19:35, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/14/2022 19:22, Phil Hobbs wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 7:56:21 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje
wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it
happened whit3rd
whi...@gmail.com> wrote in
62706c9e-b801-47da...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje
wrote:

Try google for US regime change since WW2

Nothing in such a list really compares with, for a modern
example, the ongoing invasion in Ukraine. Mostly, it was when
we were all infants.
Biggest regime change during that period, was Mao in China; no
US involvement
to speak of.

And then US created HIV, killed many many people,

That fails any kind of reality check.

and recently Dr Faulty (or whatever his name was) financed
creating covid and that backfired too and killed millions.

... which also fails a number of reality checks.   Dr. Fauci, for
instance, was clearly at work on the wrong
continent to connect with the outbreak.   A hundred more
conspiracy rumors can be found, or created,
but ought not command our respect either.

RationalWiki calls this sort of thing a Gish Gallop.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop


Guys, Jan is just winding you up.  He does it all the time.  Try
teasing him back about cheese, or mud, or little boys with their
fingers in dikes, or, wrongheaded environmental regulations that
are going to cause starvation overseas--you know, the stuff
Holland is famous for.


I don\'t think he is. I know other people who follow/sympathize with
the
Russian media bullshit and they all seriously believe all that
nonsense.
In fact you won\'t believe how far it goes, I know a guy - an engineer,
technical support on the nuclear power plant here - who genuinely
believes that and more - e.g. that the moon landings were just a fake,
*all* sorts of utter nonsense. And he is far from alone, many of the
people in his working environment are no better.
I know how ludicrous this all sounds to a sane person but there seems
to be some sort of mental illness making plenty of people prone to
the ridiculous Russian propaganda (if you could understand Russian
and listened to it for 5 minutes the effect on you would be
literally jaw dropping, yet plenty of people fall for it).

He does it about other stuff too.  Jan has a puckish sense of humor
as well as many strong opinions, and posts enough sane and
reasonable on-topic stuff that he gets taken seriously.


I know he does it and I agree his on topic posts can be taken seriously.
And I stand by my post about his pro-Russian nonsense.

I follow a Latvian podcaster (Kristaps Andrejsons,
https://theeasternborder.lv>).  One of his regular segments is
translating the amusing pro-Russian propaganda of one Igor Girkin,
which is very much along the lines you mention.

I\'m just not at all sure Jan actually believes it.

Well I hope you are right. But I did not sense any irony in his posts
on that topic, may be I just don\'t know him well enough.

  (FWIW I think that enlarging NATO all the way up to Russia\'s border
is geopolitical insanity, but not because of any good opinion of Putin
on my part.  Once a KGB colonel, always a KGB colonel.)

Insanity or not, on this world we all live with two options - swallow or
be swallowed.

You\'ve lived in the Balkans too long.

It would be a shame if our civilization is lost because
it was swallowed by the barbarians; it will be triple shame if it gets
swallowed without giving a fight.

Yup. One of the things I really miss about the Cold War was that most
of the commies were overseas.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Peaple like McCarthy did see commies everywhere in the US,
googgle wikipedia mccarthysism

But there were commies everywhere.

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Mon, 18 Jul 2022 08:34:17 -0700) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
<oavadhljphjvu85lqdddj7pk007tel6fh9@4ax.com>:

On Sun, 17 Jul 2022 16:35:41 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Jul 2022 09:33:22 -0400) it happened Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote in
9a675cd5-a5d3-fa92-6f3d-0fc0f4c3d538@electrooptical.net>:

Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/15/2022 21:44, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/15/2022 19:35, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/14/2022 19:22, Phil Hobbs wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 7:56:21 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje
wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it
happened whit3rd
whi...@gmail.com> wrote in
62706c9e-b801-47da...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje
wrote:

Try google for US regime change since WW2

Nothing in such a list really compares with, for a modern
example, the ongoing invasion in Ukraine. Mostly, it was when
we were all infants.
Biggest regime change during that period, was Mao in China; no
US involvement
to speak of.

And then US created HIV, killed many many people,

That fails any kind of reality check.

and recently Dr Faulty (or whatever his name was) financed
creating covid and that backfired too and killed millions.

... which also fails a number of reality checks.   Dr. Fauci, for
instance, was clearly at work on the wrong
continent to connect with the outbreak.   A hundred more
conspiracy rumors can be found, or created,
but ought not command our respect either.

RationalWiki calls this sort of thing a Gish Gallop.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop


Guys, Jan is just winding you up.  He does it all the time.  Try
teasing him back about cheese, or mud, or little boys with their
fingers in dikes, or, wrongheaded environmental regulations that
are going to cause starvation overseas--you know, the stuff
Holland is famous for.


I don\'t think he is. I know other people who follow/sympathize with
the
Russian media bullshit and they all seriously believe all that
nonsense.
In fact you won\'t believe how far it goes, I know a guy - an engineer,
technical support on the nuclear power plant here - who genuinely
believes that and more - e.g. that the moon landings were just a fake,
*all* sorts of utter nonsense. And he is far from alone, many of the
people in his working environment are no better.
I know how ludicrous this all sounds to a sane person but there seems
to be some sort of mental illness making plenty of people prone to
the ridiculous Russian propaganda (if you could understand Russian
and listened to it for 5 minutes the effect on you would be
literally jaw dropping, yet plenty of people fall for it).

He does it about other stuff too.  Jan has a puckish sense of humor
as well as many strong opinions, and posts enough sane and
reasonable on-topic stuff that he gets taken seriously.


I know he does it and I agree his on topic posts can be taken seriously.
And I stand by my post about his pro-Russian nonsense.

I follow a Latvian podcaster (Kristaps Andrejsons,
https://theeasternborder.lv>).  One of his regular segments is
translating the amusing pro-Russian propaganda of one Igor Girkin,
which is very much along the lines you mention.

I\'m just not at all sure Jan actually believes it.

Well I hope you are right. But I did not sense any irony in his posts
on that topic, may be I just don\'t know him well enough.

  (FWIW I think that enlarging NATO all the way up to Russia\'s border
is geopolitical insanity, but not because of any good opinion of Putin
on my part.  Once a KGB colonel, always a KGB colonel.)

Insanity or not, on this world we all live with two options - swallow or
be swallowed.

You\'ve lived in the Balkans too long.

It would be a shame if our civilization is lost because
it was swallowed by the barbarians; it will be triple shame if it gets
swallowed without giving a fight.

Yup. One of the things I really miss about the Cold War was that most
of the commies were overseas.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Peaple like McCarthy did see commies everywhere in the US,
googgle wikipedia mccarthysism

But there were commies everywhere.

Well, \"beauty is in the beholders eye\" (is the expression), so is evil I think.
Are not all commies united in the Demoncrates party these days?
Oh wait ...
probably a bit more complicatiantiated than that
There was an science topic in sci.daily.com about the making an enemy and that making
people more happy or something (header all the way down that page)
I personally believe more in cooperation, make peace with Russia, China, Iran,
better for business, kills less people, sentence war criminals / mass murderers like Dr Faulty
and ByeThen to: well what have you these days...
Is the last chance for the US, drop the support for that Military Industrial Complex and it political salesmen.
Putin is just selling gas US tries to destroy the competition by selling stuff they got using fracking
a system that poisons their own people,
Bit of a big bully US is... it keeps asking for something, was reading Iran now enriched enough plutonium
to make a bomb...
US people will have to rise up against that US weapon industry, you are outnumbered many times.
US mafia

 

[Phil Hobbs]

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sun, 17 Jul 2022 16:35:41 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Jul 2022 09:33:22 -0400) it happened Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote in
9a675cd5-a5d3-fa92-6f3d-0fc0f4c3d538@electrooptical.net>:

Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/15/2022 21:44, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/15/2022 19:35, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/14/2022 19:22, Phil Hobbs wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 7:56:21 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje
wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it
happened whit3rd
whi...@gmail.com> wrote in
62706c9e-b801-47da...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje
wrote:

Try google for US regime change since WW2

Nothing in such a list really compares with, for a modern
example, the ongoing invasion in Ukraine. Mostly, it was when
we were all infants.
Biggest regime change during that period, was Mao in China; no
US involvement
to speak of.

And then US created HIV, killed many many people,

That fails any kind of reality check.

and recently Dr Faulty (or whatever his name was) financed
creating covid and that backfired too and killed millions.

... which also fails a number of reality checks.   Dr. Fauci, for
instance, was clearly at work on the wrong
continent to connect with the outbreak.   A hundred more
conspiracy rumors can be found, or created,
but ought not command our respect either.

RationalWiki calls this sort of thing a Gish Gallop.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop


Guys, Jan is just winding you up.  He does it all the time.  Try
teasing him back about cheese, or mud, or little boys with their
fingers in dikes, or, wrongheaded environmental regulations that
are going to cause starvation overseas--you know, the stuff
Holland is famous for.


I don\'t think he is. I know other people who follow/sympathize with
the
Russian media bullshit and they all seriously believe all that
nonsense.
In fact you won\'t believe how far it goes, I know a guy - an engineer,
technical support on the nuclear power plant here - who genuinely
believes that and more - e.g. that the moon landings were just a fake,
*all* sorts of utter nonsense. And he is far from alone, many of the
people in his working environment are no better.
I know how ludicrous this all sounds to a sane person but there seems
to be some sort of mental illness making plenty of people prone to
the ridiculous Russian propaganda (if you could understand Russian
and listened to it for 5 minutes the effect on you would be
literally jaw dropping, yet plenty of people fall for it).

He does it about other stuff too.  Jan has a puckish sense of humor
as well as many strong opinions, and posts enough sane and
reasonable on-topic stuff that he gets taken seriously.


I know he does it and I agree his on topic posts can be taken seriously.
And I stand by my post about his pro-Russian nonsense.

I follow a Latvian podcaster (Kristaps Andrejsons,
https://theeasternborder.lv>).  One of his regular segments is
translating the amusing pro-Russian propaganda of one Igor Girkin,
which is very much along the lines you mention.

I\'m just not at all sure Jan actually believes it.

Well I hope you are right. But I did not sense any irony in his posts
on that topic, may be I just don\'t know him well enough.

  (FWIW I think that enlarging NATO all the way up to Russia\'s border
is geopolitical insanity, but not because of any good opinion of Putin
on my part.  Once a KGB colonel, always a KGB colonel.)

Insanity or not, on this world we all live with two options - swallow or
be swallowed.

You\'ve lived in the Balkans too long.

It would be a shame if our civilization is lost because
it was swallowed by the barbarians; it will be triple shame if it gets
swallowed without giving a fight.

Yup. One of the things I really miss about the Cold War was that most
of the commies were overseas.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Peaple like McCarthy did see commies everywhere in the US,
googgle wikipedia mccarthysism

But there were commies everywhere.

Not on the present scale.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 14:50:22 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2022 16:35:41 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Jul 2022 09:33:22 -0400) it happened Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote in
9a675cd5-a5d3-fa92-6f3d-0fc0f4c3d538@electrooptical.net>:

Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/15/2022 21:44, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/15/2022 19:35, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/14/2022 19:22, Phil Hobbs wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 7:56:21 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje
wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it
happened whit3rd
whi...@gmail.com> wrote in
62706c9e-b801-47da...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje
wrote:

Try google for US regime change since WW2

Nothing in such a list really compares with, for a modern
example, the ongoing invasion in Ukraine. Mostly, it was when
we were all infants.
Biggest regime change during that period, was Mao in China; no
US involvement
to speak of.

And then US created HIV, killed many many people,

That fails any kind of reality check.

and recently Dr Faulty (or whatever his name was) financed
creating covid and that backfired too and killed millions.

... which also fails a number of reality checks.   Dr. Fauci, for
instance, was clearly at work on the wrong
continent to connect with the outbreak.   A hundred more
conspiracy rumors can be found, or created,
but ought not command our respect either.

RationalWiki calls this sort of thing a Gish Gallop.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop


Guys, Jan is just winding you up.  He does it all the time.  Try
teasing him back about cheese, or mud, or little boys with their
fingers in dikes, or, wrongheaded environmental regulations that
are going to cause starvation overseas--you know, the stuff
Holland is famous for.


I don\'t think he is. I know other people who follow/sympathize with
the
Russian media bullshit and they all seriously believe all that
nonsense.
In fact you won\'t believe how far it goes, I know a guy - an engineer,
technical support on the nuclear power plant here - who genuinely
believes that and more - e.g. that the moon landings were just a fake,
*all* sorts of utter nonsense. And he is far from alone, many of the
people in his working environment are no better.
I know how ludicrous this all sounds to a sane person but there seems
to be some sort of mental illness making plenty of people prone to
the ridiculous Russian propaganda (if you could understand Russian
and listened to it for 5 minutes the effect on you would be
literally jaw dropping, yet plenty of people fall for it).

He does it about other stuff too.  Jan has a puckish sense of humor
as well as many strong opinions, and posts enough sane and
reasonable on-topic stuff that he gets taken seriously.


I know he does it and I agree his on topic posts can be taken seriously.
And I stand by my post about his pro-Russian nonsense.

I follow a Latvian podcaster (Kristaps Andrejsons,
https://theeasternborder.lv>).  One of his regular segments is
translating the amusing pro-Russian propaganda of one Igor Girkin,
which is very much along the lines you mention.

I\'m just not at all sure Jan actually believes it.

Well I hope you are right. But I did not sense any irony in his posts
on that topic, may be I just don\'t know him well enough.

  (FWIW I think that enlarging NATO all the way up to Russia\'s border
is geopolitical insanity, but not because of any good opinion of Putin
on my part.  Once a KGB colonel, always a KGB colonel.)

Insanity or not, on this world we all live with two options - swallow or
be swallowed.

You\'ve lived in the Balkans too long.

It would be a shame if our civilization is lost because
it was swallowed by the barbarians; it will be triple shame if it gets
swallowed without giving a fight.

Yup. One of the things I really miss about the Cold War was that most
of the commies were overseas.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Peaple like McCarthy did see commies everywhere in the US,
googgle wikipedia mccarthysism

But there were commies everywhere.

Not on the present scale.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Oh. Good point.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 1:34:29 AM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sun, 17 Jul 2022 16:35:41 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Jul 2022 09:33:22 -0400) it happened Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote in <9a675cd5-a5d3-fa92...@electrooptical.net>:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/15/2022 21:44, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/15/2022 19:35, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/14/2022 19:22, Phil Hobbs wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 7:56:21 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote in <62706c9e-b801-47da...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:

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People like McCarthy did see commies everywhere in the US, googgle wikipedia mccarthysism

But there were commies everywhere.

John Larkin has some very silly ideas. This is just one them.

The US Communist Party membership peaked at 75,000 people in 1940-41. That\'s not a lot in a population of about 130 million. McCarthy had a famous list of 205 communists who he imagined to be working in the State Department. It never got tested against reality.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 4:50:29 AM UTC+10, Phil Hobbs wrote:

jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2022 16:35:41 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Jul 2022 09:33:22 -0400) it happened Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote in <9a675cd5-a5d3-fa92...@electrooptical.net>:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/15/2022 21:44, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/15/2022 19:35, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/14/2022 19:22, Phil Hobbs wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 7:56:21 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote in <62706c9e-b801-47da...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:

<snip>

People like McCarthy did see commies everywhere in the US,
googgle wikipedia mccarthysism

But there were commies everywhere.

Not on the present scale.

People like Phil Hobbs and John Larkin seem to think that everybody more left wing than they are is a communist.

They probably think that Noam Chomsky is a communist - when he is actually an anarcho-syndicalist, which is the group that threw Karl Marx out of the international socialist movement back in 1871 because they (correctly) saw his enthusiasm for the leading role of the (what became the communist) party as undemocratic and likely to lead to tyranny.

It\'s one of those convenient simplifications that makes life a lot easier, but does tend to lead you into destructive errors.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Don]

Anthony William Sloman wrote:

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They probably think that Noam Chomsky is a communist - when he is actually
an anarcho-syndicalist, which is the group that threw Karl Marx out of the
international socialist movement back in 1871 because they (correctly) saw
his enthusiasm for the leading role of the (what became the communist) party
as undemocratic and likely to lead to tyranny.

Perhaps some people feel Chomsky says things better left unsaid? Out of
sight, out of mind???

Welcome to a Science-Fiction Planet

How George Orwell\'s Doublethink Became the Way of the World:
David Barsamian interviews Noam Chomsky

Barsamian: I\'ve got a little puzzle for you. It\'s in two parts.
Russia\'s military is inept and incompetent. Its soldiers have very
low morale and are poorly led. Its economy ranks with Italy\'s and
Spain\'s. That\'s one part. The other part is Russia is a military
colossus that threatens to overwhelm us. So, we need more weapons.
Let\'s expand NATO. How do you reconcile those two contradictory
thoughts?

Chomsky: Those two thoughts are standard in the entire West. I just
had a long interview in Sweden about their plans to join NATO. I
pointed out that Swedish leaders have two contradictory ideas, the
two you mentioned. One, gloating over the fact that Russia has proven
itself to be a paper tiger that can\'t conquer cities a couple of
miles from its border defended by a mostly citizens\' army. So,
they\'re completely militarily incompetent. The other thought is:
they\'re poised to conquer the West and destroy us.

George Orwell had a name for that. He called it doublethink, the
capacity to have two contradictory ideas in your mind and believe
both of them. Orwell mistakenly thought that was something you could
only have in the ultra-totalitarian state he was satirizing in 1984.
He was wrong. You can have it in free democratic societies. We\'re
seeing a dramatic example of it right now. Incidentally, this is not
the first time.

Danke,

--
Don, KB7RPU, https://www.qsl.net/kb7rpu
There was a young lady named Bright Whose speed was far faster than light;
She set out one day In a relative way And returned on the previous night.