Just curious how far your Wi-Fi access point is from your de

[Arlen _G_ Holder]

Just curious how far your Wi-Fi access point is from your desktop computer.
<https://i.postimg.cc/VvqLKQtQ/wifi.jpg>

The access point my desktop connects to is about a half dozen miles away.
An antenna is plugged into the RJ45 Ethernet port on the desktop.
The signal strength, even at more than a half-dozen miles, is about -55dBM.

Just curious how far your nearest WiFi access point is from your desktop?

 

[Fox's Mercantile]

On 10/9/19 12:52 AM, Arlen _G_ Holder wrote:
[ The usual pointless shit ]

"Ma, call the plumber, the toilet's backed up again."


--
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com

 

[Arlen _G_ Holder]

On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 03:56:13 -0300, pjp wrote:

Just curious how far your nearest WiFi access point is from your desktop?

My ISP is wireless internet. Attenna is approx 1Km down road. I can see
and aim attenna directly at it by sight. I'm happy with speeds but we
pay for faster package and I suspect there's very few others using
attenna at same speed given it's very rural area, e.g. most would be
basic package I suspect.

Hi pjp,
Thanks for that information where you have a transceiver, like I do,
instead of a cable or dsl modem, about a kilometer away, line of sight.

Our transceivers are essentially equivalent in function to the cable modems
that most people who live in suburbia or in cities have in their homes.

My setup, like yours, is also WISP, where, being rural, we don't have
access to cables or pipelines either - just like you. We have wells. We
have septic systems. We have thousand gallon propane tanks. We even have
our own electrical generators, since the power company is highly
unreliable. (For example, tonight, the power is scheduled to go off, as one
temporal example - for about a day or two - as far as we know.)
<https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/10/08/power-outage-quarter-million-bay-area-residents-pge-red-flag-winds/>

The only "utilities" that we have which are public are the electrical and
phone wires, but, like you, we're way too far from the station for DSL to
ever work.

Like you, I have to aim my antenna at the nearest access point by sight,
where there's also an "aimer application" in the radio which beeps ever
faster, and lights up various colors (red orange yellow green blue, etc.)
as our signal strength increases. Since we're in a windy area, we sometimes
need to manually re-align the antennas, where, as you've likely found out,
we can eyeball it pretty closely (within a few decibels anyway).

If you know what equipment you're using, that would be of interest. I'm
using a Rocket M5 from Ubituiti, on the 5GHz spectrum, transmitting at near
or about the legal limit for the USA (which, luckily, is higher than it
seems to be in most other countries for some reason).

The radios are set to never exceed the legal limit - but they need to be
set up pretty close, since the distance is miles (about 10 km) to the
nearest WiFi Internet access point.

Do you know your transmit power?

I was on the 2.4GHz Wi-Fi spectrum for the longest time, but when I ran
waterfall spectrum analysis, it was horrid how much noise there was from
all sorts of frequencies, not all of which were WiFi signals.

Even our cellular is a bit dicey where we are, as T-Mobile gave me BOTH a
cellular repeater and a femtocell, so I can either pick up cellular signal
from about 10 or 15 miles away (or so), or, I can pick up the cellular
antenna that is literally inside my house (both work but the femtocell
seems to connect more reliably, based on the software utility on my iOS and
Android cellular devices).

Here's a picture of just some of the access points in my house, where the
iPad shows the physical size of the access points. That black device on the
shelf to the left of the blue router is the cellular repeater from T-Mobile
(all the carriers provide repeaters & femtocells):
<https://i.postimg.cc/YqTk0q1T/ap.jpg>

Where you are, what do you use for amplifying your cellular signal?

 

[Gavin]

On 10/9/19 1:52 AM, Arlen _G_ Holder wrote:

Just curious how far your Wi-Fi access point is from your desktop computer.
https://i.postimg.cc/VvqLKQtQ/wifi.jpg

The access point my desktop connects to is about a half dozen miles away.
An antenna is plugged into the RJ45 Ethernet port on the desktop.
The signal strength, even at more than a half-dozen miles, is about -55dBM.

Just curious how far your nearest WiFi access point is from your desktop?

Wifi access point is off, I use ethernet.

 

[pfjw@aol.com]

Don't Feed the Troll!

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

 

[Terry Coombs]

On 10/9/2019 12:52 AM, Arlen _G_ Holder wrote:

Just curious how far your Wi-Fi access point is from your desktop computer.
https://i.postimg.cc/VvqLKQtQ/wifi.jpg

The access point my desktop connects to is about a half dozen miles away.
An antenna is plugged into the RJ45 Ethernet port on the desktop.
The signal strength, even at more than a half-dozen miles, is about -55dBM.

Just curious how far your nearest WiFi access point is from your desktop?

  My desktop isn't wireless ... but the comp hooked to the TV and the
one hooked to the stereo are , and the WiFi router sits on a shelf above
my desk . Right next to our DSL modem .

--
Snag
Yes , I'm old
and crochety - and armed .
Get outta my woods !

 

[Frank]

On 10/9/2019 6:57 AM, Gavin wrote:

On 10/9/19 1:52 AM, Arlen _G_ Holder wrote:
Just curious how far your Wi-Fi access point is from your desktop
computer.
https://i.postimg.cc/VvqLKQtQ/wifi.jpg

The access point my desktop connects to is about a half dozen miles away.
An antenna is plugged into the RJ45 Ethernet port on the desktop.
The signal strength, even at more than a half-dozen miles, is about
-55dBM.

Just curious how far your nearest WiFi access point is from your desktop?


Wifi access point is off, I use ethernet.

Mine too. Where my machines are, catercorner on first floor to modem on
2nd floor I get about 3X speed with ethernet vs wifi.

 

[pfjw@aol.com]

On Wednesday, October 9, 2019 at 9:22:19 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:

Close enough. Perhaps once speeds reach wired, none will need wired.
But not me as towers are behind a hill where I live.
I involves the home and is an on topic topic.

Not really. You will find that this particular troll does not ask a question unless it has a rigid, fully conceived answer. And the posts are not to gather information, but rather to see itself engaged and meaningful.

Repeat, do not feed the troll!

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

 

[Fox's Mercantile]

Pay attention folks.
Our resident cesspool of useless discussions isn't talking about
your in the house WiFi modem.
He's talking about Wireless internet service.

--
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com

 

[Frank]

On 10/9/2019 9:03 AM, Fox's Mercantile wrote:

Pay attention folks.
Our resident cesspool of useless discussions isn't talking about
your in the house WiFi modem.
He's talking about Wireless internet service.

Close enough. Perhaps once speeds reach wired, none will need wired.
But not me as towers are behind a hill where I live.
I involves the home and is an on topic topic.

 

[Gary]

Just curious how far your Wi-Fi access point is from your desktop
computer.
<https://i.postimg.cc/VvqLKQtQ/wifi.jpg>

The access point my desktop connects to is about a half dozen
miles away.
An antenna is plugged into the RJ45 Ethernet port on the desktop.
The signal strength, even at more than a half-dozen miles, is
about -55dBM.

Just curious how far your nearest WiFi access point is from your
desktop?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
To answer the OP, I use a neighborhood wifi for insecure use.
Only get about 1/2 block away near my bedroom window.
Move out of the bedroom and connection is lost.

It's 54 Mbps optimum but normally connect speed goes down
to 1 Mbps.

For secure stuff, I still use dial-up.

 

[Fox's Mercantile]

On 10/9/19 9:36 AM, Gary wrote:
[ nothing of interest ]

Piss off Arlen.



--
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com

 

[Arlen _G_ Holder]

On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 10:32:27 -0300, pjp wrote:

> All I really care about is download speed.

Hi pjp,

Thank you for your information, where it's nice to converse with someone
who has the same or similar WiFi experience as I have, which, we have to
admit, is different from the experience most people have.

For example, we control our modem settings to some extent, whereas, for
most people they likely can't even log in as the administrator, to check or
change a setting, or to upload firmware, or to change the frequency, or
transmit power, or whatever.

As for what you care about most, I agree that download speed is important,
although, for VOIP, jitter is also critical (particularly when it gets over
about 10 ms or so).

Our download speed is often about the same as our uploads - is yours that
way? Out here, most (but not all) the WISP advertises symmetric speeds but
often the upload can be half the download, but just as often, it's more.

Who knows why.

Out here in the mountains, a single tree can encroach into the Fresnel Zone
such that neighbors can have drastically different end results, using the
same equipment.

Interestingly, and sadly, just like with Windows, sometimes we have to
reboot our "modems" (yes, I know they're not modems, but most people
reading this won't know what a transceiver is, nor that it's, essentially,
a modem anyway) - just to get our speeds back.

Why?
o I don't know why.

Maybe someone here who knows more than I do can explain why my speeds jump
when I reboot the modem, where, it's kind of just like Windows, in that
way.
o Why does rebooting the modem instantly "fix" the slow speeds?

I'm happy when I can download
1Gb in approx an hr. Typical 1/2 hr tv rip takes 20 minutes or so for
400Kb.

Thanks for your perspective, which, as I noted, most people on cable
wouldn't have the knowledge of, if this conversation weren't public.

Like you, I'm happy with what I can get, over the air, for my WiFi
connection to the Internet - where - I just ran a speedtest (see below),
mine are as follows at the moment (but it changes greatly over time of
course, depending on the weather, the time of day, etc.):
<https://i.postimg.cc/bNMMZ0Nv/wifi-speed.jpg>

That's about 24/14, which is kind of typical for me, where it can drop to
one tenth that, but rarely get more than double about that speed (which is
pretty pathetic if we compare to typical cable speeds - as the transmission
of the signal over miles takes its toll on lost & jumbled packets).

I sometimes see as much as 1.3MB/Sec doing occassional torrrent
download. Way faster than basic package even though price went up 50%,
speed increase was tenfold so ...

Thank you for that perspective on torrenting, where, when I torrent, I
generally add a VPN to the mix (although truth be told, I'm almost always
on VPN anyway, as a matter of habit), where the VPN takes its toll in speed
penalties.

I don't torrent all that often though, where mostly I watch videos on the
Android phone (or, with emulation, on Windows, where it runs even faster
than on Android due to the memory and CPU advantages of a desktop).

The beauty of watching videos on Android is that, for free (I only use
freeware), we NEVER need a Google Play account (even to subscribe to video
channels on YouTube), and better yet, we never see an inserted
advertisement on YouTube, and we can download any YouTube video, bar none,
at any quality level available, and, better yet, we can strip out the video
so as to listen to the audio (which is what I do most), all offline, so
that we don't have to worry about our bandwidth coming in fits and starts
over the kilometers between our devices and our Internet connection.

The functionality on Android for such things literally wipes iOS off the
face of the earth, where I'll leave it at that, and with this reference:
<https://newpipe.schabi.org/>

Given we have slow speeds since our ISP is over the air, it would be nice
if this type of freeware existed on the common consumer desktops!
o Have you been able to get NewPipe freeware running yet on Windows?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/rfyVKidB8X8/slOeDAEQAQAJ>

In fact, my cellphone battery was dead where I had to watch a YouTube video
on the iOS-based iPad, where it was appalling that iOs users have to see
ads in YouTube (even though I use "Music Tube" and "Video Tube", which are
'supposed' to suppress the Google ads, which, they do - but they insert
their own, which accomplishes nothing useful overall).
<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/video-tube-stream-play-watch/id566564331>
<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/mytube-stream-and-play/id964383263>

As noted, the beauty of Android functionality kills that of iOS, even on
the desktop, where the Android apps run _better_ on the desktop than they
do on Android itself (due to the hardware, of course). (The Mac can't hope
to catch up, as the recent admission by Apple yesterday that Netflix iOS
app will never be on the Mac shows strategically, for the most popular
apps.)

My point is that video speeds ARE a problem for me, as they are for you,
where we just have to be clever about intelligently choosing free apps
which easily download the videos (or strip the audio) without any added
bandwidth of advertisements.

> Almost all my house is hard wired using one router and three switches.

Thank you for that additional information about routers and switches,
where, if I snapped a photo of my setup, you'd likely be appalled at the
number of routers and switches entangled in the rats nest.

Basically, when I replace a router, I set up the old router as either a
wired repeater or as a wireless repeater, where, interestingly, again, the
stellar difference between iOS and Android shows up in spades, when you
watch them switch between what are the same access point SSIDs, but
obviously quite different BSSIDs.

As you are likely aware, one of the greatest things about having to figure
out how to get our Internet and cellular in a rural area, is that we learn
how to diagnose and debug signal strength, noise levels, and bandwidth
issues.

The utilities available on Android, for example, kill those available on
the desktops, unfortunately ... such as what I have on my Android phone
that I wish were all ported to the desktops (although some are):
<https://i.postimg.cc/BZrZpDyp/debug-apps.jpg>

Even with free Android emulation on the desktops, the cellphone is better.
o Genymotion tutorial I wrote to help others do what I did on a desktop
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/ix9empN-mxg/07ZmH2AWAQAJ>

o Bluestacks tutorial I wrote to help others do what I did on a desktop
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/JBRjZ39w4Ok/6Vzu7rtIAQAJ>

o Andyroid tutorial I wrote to help others do what I did on a desktop
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/FkZu5vAswYo/wISRtpUUAQAJ>
etc.

It's just sad that this functionality is almost always either non existent,
or far less powerful, or not free, etc., on the Apple platform... sigh.
o It's a fact iOS devices can't even graph Wi-Fi signal strength over time
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/IK0TZ3LxGgQ/kwhrUnzoBAAJ>

Wi-Fi seldom used but works thruout house as some of my pcs have built
in wireless and not just the laptops. Only pc depends on wireless is
older Netbook wife uses to display sheet music on piano.

Thank you for that information that you use older desktops, as do I, where
most of mine don't have WiFi built in, but where I just plug a spare
antenna into the Ethernet RJ45 port, and voila - they can pick up signal at
-55 decibels (which is pretty good signal) that is literally coming from 10
kilometers (about 6 miles) away, over the air, line of sight.

Like you, I don't want to depend on wireless (or the cloud); so what I do
for all my devices (iOS, Android, Windows, and Linux anyway), is use them
as USB sticks, which is easy to do for all but iOS but which is also easy
to do on iOS if you know how (which takes a bit of thinking first - but
once you know the trick - any iOS device is turned into a free USB stick in
seconds over USB cable).

Luckily, most of us own all the platforms, so we can switch between them as
we see fit, where a dual boot Linux and Windows, for example, allows us to
use the iOS device as a USB stick, to simultaneously transfer large video
files to and from any device to and from any other device, over USB.
o Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed)
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.os.linux/WqIDiVbawRs/pwxzu7LMCAAJ>

Note that almost nobody knows how to do that simple task from the desktop,
for iOS devices, because it requires knowledge of a trick to WRITE to the
entire visible file system of the iOS device - which isn't in the least
intuitive - but which works great once you know that trick (where even the
ad hoc system files on the iOS device are visible to the desktop user that
knows the simple tricks).

In summary, because we have such slow Internet connections, we have to keep
"stuff" off the Internet, where we learn how to be self sufficient
connecting to WiFi access points which are miles away over line of sight,
and working around the need for wifi by using wires inside the house
whenever possible (e.g., USB works great for large video file transfers and
for backups of entire mobile devices to and from networked storage devices,
all without adding anything to the desktop or mobile device by way of
special software).

You just have to know the tricks, such as some of these:
o Do you have a working cross-platform PASSWD database for Windows, Linux, Mac, iOS, & Android on your home LAN?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.os.linux/YEfw5NblnRs/kvn3DUiAEAAJ>

o Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.os.linux/ydQ9sG-8Y08/pBRXk7UEEgAJ>

In summary, if you know the technical tricks, people like us, on very slow
Internet connections, find that there's almost never a need to use the
"cloud" to store our private data (e.g., calendar, photos, backups,
passwords, etc.) and we find tricks for viewing movies without ads and we
find ways to watch movies for free offline without the inevitable hiccups
of fits and starts that would happen over our slow connections were we to
attempt streaming over the air.

Thanks for all your information where it's nice to know what others do when
they are forced to figure out ways to make use of Wi-Fi access points miles
away from their desktops.

 

[Arlen _G_ Holder]

On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 17:59:09 -0400, Ken Hart wrote:

I'd love to hear more about this claim from the OP:
"An antenna is plugged into the RJ45 Ethernet port on the desktop."

I am curious about that also. I did a search on Amazon for "wifi dongle
plug into ethernet port"; I got a lot of wifi dongles that plug into a
USB port, but I didn't see any that plug into an RJ-45. There were also
devices to convert ethernet to USB (or vice versa), so I suppose it
could be done with two pieces of gear.

Hi Ken Hart,

You bring up very good points, as did some of the others who aren't aware
of the fact that one end of the setup is a "normal" Ethernet Cat6 RJ45
typical connection which plugs into anything that normally takes the RJ45
connector (e.g., a desktop, a laptop, a router, another radio, etc.).

Regarding terminology, as Dan Purgert noted, when we say 'antenna', we
generally mean the entire apparatus, which includes a radio, otherwise
known as a "transceiver", which, for those who don't know, equates roughly
to the "modem" for you cable cognizant folks (as it effectively does the
same thing from the standpoint of what's on each end):
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_wifi.jpg>

It's typical in the WISP arena to just say "antenna" or "radio" instead of
"transceiver", where it's simply assumed the reader understands the basics.

As Dan Purgert said, one end of the 'device', is a female RJ45, which, of
course, plugs into anything you want to plug it into.

The other end of the 'device' is the "antenna", which connects to another
"antenna" which, in the case of pjp, is a kilometer away, and which, in my
case, is about 10 kilometers away, where that's only the start of the
distances we can cover and still get decent signal strength.

Here's an example of me explaining to Rod Speed, for example, how he can
connect his neighbor's house to his house, using a "similar" setup:
o For Rod Speed: Example of Wi-Fi connection between two homes 5.4 km apart (3.4 miles)
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/NJw9ncPPkUA/mMHmRm5sCQAJ>

I helped Rod Speed by advising him on a variety of ways he can connect two
widely separate homes to the same Internet connection (line of sight).
o Rod Speed: How is your neighbor's WiFi from your house going?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/FcthxOalXr0/Pr7TdtQHCgAJ>

I'm always learning how to do things - which - a lot of people - don't do.

For just one example, out here, in the mountains surrounding the Silicon
Valley, we're mostly self sufficient, where, we even repair, mount and
balance our own car tires ... so setting this stuff up just comes naturally
to us (we're American, after all - which means we fix stuff).

But when you "fix stuff", you have to "learn stuff".
o In fact, you have to "learn stuff" that many people never learn.

For example, on car tires, as just one of many examples,
o Just mounted & static balanced my 30th tire in about five years
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.home.repair/zfyOpil5bck/4axuVoT6BwAJ>
o Clare - are smaller car tires easier to balance than SUV tires?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.home.repair/So4om4fLtmI/6JMGVoT1BQAJ>
o Two simple questions that came up when mounting tires at home
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.home.repair/uYN-T90pKUw/oTAGMHKGAAAJ>
o Clare, Xeno.... did you ever have a batch of tires that just wouldn't seal after the final bead?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.home.repair/ST-xNgC5pnU/agDaRH_JAgAJ>
etc.

In the case of obtaining your Internet service from ten kilometers away, we
have to learn how to set up the radios to talk to each other, and then, the
part about talking to the desktop is trivial - since it's a "normal"
Ethernet connection between the radio and the desktop.

You just plug one end of the "antenna" into the RJ45 port of the desktop.

As for "terminology", we generally just use the simplifications of...
Radio:
<https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-ROCKETM5-Power-airMAX-BaseStation/dp/B00HXT8P9O>
Antenna:
<https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-RocketDish-RD-5G34-Antenna-RD-5G-34/dp/B00HXT8OMM>

Where the "official" brand names,.on Amazon anyway, are the following:
o Ubiquiti ROCKETM5 5GHz Hi Power 2x2 MIMO TDMA airMAX BaseStation
o Ubiquiti RocketDish RD-5G34 Antenna (RD-5G-34)

But where, colloquially, we just call that the radio & antenna, and, more
commonly, just the "antenna" since that forms the bulk of the apparatus.

 

[Arlen _G_ Holder]

On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 08:17:43 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote:

I think the real answer is "WiFi access is relatively rare among AHR users".

We sure don't have it where I live.

Cindy Hamilton

Hi Cindy Hamilton,

Yes you do.
o Everyone has it.

Let's say, for example, you can "see" your friend, who is, oh, say, a dozen
kilometers away from you line of sight, similar to what Ammammata posted:

On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 09:32:21 +0200, Ammammata wrote:

at home, the ISP antenna is about 12 km away from home
max current speed in download is about 30Mb

Guess what?

If you and your friend buy two "antennas" (as explained)
o You can connect to each others' access points (a dozen miles away)

Since there is always another access point you might want to connec to
o All you need is the equipment (which is inexensive) & the know how

It's the know how which is expensive ... where this post to JP Gilliver
explains some of the advantages you can obtain with that know how...

On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 14:15:04 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

in this case all the 'groups seem relevant to a discussion of wifi
(although we seem of course to be talking about two different sorts, the
in-home and the ISP [is the latter even referred to as "wi-fi", or just
"wireless"?]).

Hi Ammammata & J.P. Gilliver,

I post a lot of tutorials & helpful posts that benefit the Usenet potluck
o Where I strive to add details which verify the facts

Like you, I agree that all desktop users benefit from better WiFi options
o Particularly when they, like Ammammata, can access APs 12 km's away

At 30Mb/sec, no less!

To that end, it was also useful that pjp shared that his AP is 1km away
o Where the point is that anyone you can "see", you can share with

That's useful in a pinch - when good old American ingenuity is required
o Like when a neighborhood needs to set up WISP as we did ourselves

To that end, I just now added a few more 5GHz frequencies to my "antenna"
<https://www.ui.com/fcclabelrequest/>

Where I also had to physically add a sticker (believe it or not) to the
antenna, as per FCC rules since the revised UNII rules legally modified the
previously approved FCC ID, and, more to the point, it modified the
previously set up available frequencies (and, more importantly, it changes
the legally allowed EIRP, particularly at the fringes of the band, in order
to reduce emissions).

This apparently had multiple instant benefits, not the least of which were
additional bands in the 5GHz spectrum and lower emissions in those bands.

With that change, I'm apparently attaining instantly better speeds!
<http://speedtest.net>

I recommend users who want to connect to access points miles away, to keep
in mind the distances people like pjp, Ammammata, and I can attain with
reasonable speeds (with APs literally easily a dozen kilometers away).

--
Sharing information on the Usenet potluck to benefit all who attend.

 

[Arlen _G_ Holder]

On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 21:40:16 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert wrote:

As I recall, he uses a Ubiquiti Rocket M2 as a CPE device to connect to
his ISP. I can't recall if you've used them before, so forgive me if
you know this already. One "side" of the device is a long range 2.4 GHz
radio, the other is a standard copper ethernet port.

Hi Dan Purgert,

This is about power - changing feet to miles - at the same cost as before.

Take a look at this photo I just snapped for you, showing this setup works
when directly connected to any PC to amplify the power from feet to miles:
<https://i.postimg.cc/DfQJq437/mikrotikrouter.jpg>

The cost on the Microtik web site is about fifty dollars:
<https://mikrotik.com/product/RB411>

You were mostly correct in your assessment, where the main take away is
that one end is a standard female RJ45 which means any male-to-male Cat5
cable plugs it into anything you normally plug a RJ45 connector into.

For example, I'm sending you this from a powerful and yet inexpensive
Mikrotik antenna plugged directly into the back of my desktop at this very
moment, where a quick search on Amazon shows costs similar to normal
routers that everyone already has (but which only travel a few hundred
feet, which is infinitesimally puny compared to what this stuff does):
<https://www.amazon.com/MikroTik-RB911G-5HPacD-RouterBoard-911G-5HPacD/dp/B00UH8VWVQ>

I wish to clarify that the Wi-Fi equipment is the same (essentially) as
what EVERYONE already has in their home already - only better.

Bear in mind this Wi-Fi equipment is no different, fundamentally, from
everyone's SOHO router in almost everyone's home & office, and, more to the
point, the equipment is no different fundamentally from _any_ Wi-Fi
"amplifier", "repeater", or even "dongle" that people habitually attach to
their desktops and laptops to increase Wi-Fi connection distances.

The main difference isn't even price - as these radios which can connect to
APs miles away cost no more, in general, than any decent router does at
Frys here in the Silicon Valley.

The main difference is essentially POWER (which transmits to "distances").
o Those Wi-Fi access point distances are what this thread is all about.

And, of course, size (the antenna on these things adds 30 decibels alone!)

We have heard reports from users whose APs are as little as 1 km to as many
as a dozen times that distance - which _any_ desktop can attain, if the
user has the know how and the equipment discussed in this very thread.

Each of my desktops, in fact, has one such antenna attached to it,
where the desktop I'm on right is plugged into a Mikrotik router & antenna:
<https://i.postimg.cc/DfQJq437/mikrotikrouter.jpg>

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The point is that it's not just for WISPs - it works for desktops also.

 

[pfjw@aol.com]

If you know all the answers already, WTF did you ask in the first place? Just to see your own blather? Then cross post it everywhere?

 

[Fox's Mercantile]

On 10/11/19 2:05 PM, pfjw@aol.com wrote:

If you know all the answers already, WTF did you ask in
the first place? Just to see your own blather? Then cross
post it everywhere?

Pretty much.

Arlen's the kind of person that would stop up a toilet before
shitting in it, then flush it just to watch it overflow all
over the floor.



--
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com

 

[Arlen _G_ Holder]

On Fri, 11 Oct 2019 11:50:52 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote:

Let's say I have a coax cable coming in my house to my cable modem and my
desktop PC has no WiFi receiver installed.

Hi Cindy,

That works perfectly, Cindy.
o Remember, this is "standard" Ethernet stuff (Cat5/RJ45 & all that).

That's the elegant beauty of having the knowledge described in this thread!
o It plugs directly into your computer - as long as you have an RJ45 port.

Please take a quick look at this photo I just snapped which shows the
connection from my DESKTOP RJ45 port to the "router & antenna".
<https://i.postimg.cc/DfQJq437/mikrotikrouter.jpg>

The cost of that setup is about what you pay for a SOHO router.
o And yet, the POWER is infinitely greater

As an example, you'd be hard pressed to get even 20 decibels EIRP out of
your SOHO router, whereas the antenna alone on this setup could easily be
30 decibels or more - and that doesn't even count the transmit power.

So, for the same amount of money as people spend to have repeaters in their
house, they can set up something like this, if they have the space and
knowledge, instead.

And, for the same amount of money that people spend to send wires to the
deepest darkest most inaccessible parts of their house, they can simply set
up an antenna like this to beam the signal.

In fact, I have multiple antennas like this set up OUTSIDE my house, which
face the house in order to beam the signal back INTO the house (and to the
pool and to the barn and to the shop, and to the driveway gate, etc.).

Notice all this can easily be done with a cable modem setup.
o All you need is an RJ45 port in your desktop or laptop computer.

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The point is this power is available to ALL desktops (with an RJ45 port).

 

[Arlen _G_ Holder]

On 10 Oct 2019 12:10:40 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

In my case, normally about 2 metre (80 inches), but sometimes as
little as about 5 cm (2 inches).

Hi Frank,

I agree that a normal SOHO router works just fine for many people
o I literally have plenty of normal SOHO routers myself

But I _also_ have far better equipment (in terms of power & distances):
<https://i.postimg.cc/YqTk0q1T/ap.jpg>

My key point being to educate folks here that huge DISTANCES are possible
o At about the same cost that they're paying now

For example, as you're likely aware, you'd be hard pressed to get even 20
"real" decibels out of a typical SOHO router, right?

Well, this desktop I'm on at this very moment has a router attached to its
RJ45 port with 23 decibels of transmit power, which itself is attached to a
cheap antenna of, oh, I think this one is about another 18 decibels.
<https://i.postimg.cc/DfQJq437/mikrotikrouter.jpg>

Bearing in mind not only that decibels add up, but every 3 decibels is
twice the power, which allows any desktop to connect to a suitable access
point which can be miles away (or only hundreds of feet through a building
or other penetratable structure).

All for the same cost as what everyone is paying now.

All they need is the technical knowhow in this thread (and a bit more room
on their shelves) where, armed with this knowledge (which is what I'm all
about, Frank ... dissemination of knowledge) ... they too can
transmit/receive strong signal for MILES to/from their desktop, instead of
mere feet.

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Using American ingenuity to help people have more power at less cost.