Jihad needs scientists

[Eeyore]

Kurt Ullman wrote:

lucasea@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

And again, I'll ask, is there nothing in your worldview but "nuke 'em all"
and "capitulate". Must really suck to live in such a black-and-white world.

You suggested that we stop giving them reasons to hate us. From their
own rhetoric and statements, the only way we are going to get that
subset that hates to stop is to capitulate. Period.

No it isn't.

Why do you think that ?

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

John Fields wrote:

My reference to not speaking English as a first language was a
euphemism for being conquered, which was related to an earlier post
by Graham stating that had the US not become involved in WW2,
England and Germany might have teamed up to fight Russia after
Germany double-crossed Russia. In my opinion that would have been
suicide for England, as depleted as it would have been, when Russia
came rolling in to get Germany.

It wouldn't just have been Britain and Germany you clot !

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

John Larkin wrote:

John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

England, the US, and every other country in the world that has had
to fight for its existence was founded on terrorism or caused to
come into existence because of terrorism.

How was the US founded on terrorism? I've read that not a single
civilian was executed in the US Revolutionary War. The only people
that were shot at were British soldiers and their indian allies. There
were certainly no bombs planted in mathetplaces.

Rubbish. You guys executed a number of loyalists.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Kurt Ullman wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ken Smith wrote:
T Wake <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:

A surprisingly small number of Islamic extremists are actually willing to
die for their cause you know?

Their belief system encourages it with promices of virgins etc

It's a *distorted* version of their 'belief system' that does that. Don't
blame Islam.

It is a "distorted" version of Islam. It is a perfect version of their
belief system.

Wrong. It's nothing of the sort.

Graham

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Kurt Ullman wrote:

In article <452573BD.DAD71895@earthlink.net>,
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Do you personally know anyone who doesn't carry some form of
identification?

I know a bunch. But then I work with homeless schizophrenics, which
might not be a real usable sample...

I don't envy you. I see people like that at the VA hospital in
Gainsville when I'm there, but they do have ID, or they don't get
treatment. The hospital has a locker room and showers for them, but
typical to federal laws, they are not allowed to sleep there unless they
are an in patient.

The Ocala national forest has some 3000 homeless Veterans scattered
around in shanties and tents who refuse any help. Sometimes that will
visit one of the mobile medical units, but only if they are afraid they
are about to die if they don't.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Homer J Simpson]

"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote in message
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Just for starters, there would have been no holocaust.


Really? And you can prove that, how?

Before Hitler - no holocaust.

After Hitler - no holocaust.

And that's despite the clear anti-Semitism in Germany - and much of the
Western world as well. Even in Poland which was arguably more anti-Semitic
than even the Krauts there was no holocaust. True Russia had its pogroms,
but they were somewhat less effective.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote in message
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Their belief system encourages it with promices of virgins etc.

Yet all the nasty old men who encourage the bombers refuse to do it
themselves.

Reminiscent of Congress, then.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Of course he was articulate. Many sociopaths are.

And Bush *isn't* one ?

Bush gets the highest score possible on the sociopath scale.

 

[Kurt Ullman]

In article <4525758C.D1168AE5@hotmail.com>,
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

Not much since it would largely be gobbled by China and India
among others.

How would that happen ?
They are the fastest growing users of oil currently.

Is this some kind of perverse excuse for inefficiency ?

Nope. The original question was what would happen to the price of oil

if US stopped using so much. The answer was not much since C&I (among
others) would sop it up.
Assuming of course that there was no major damage to the US
economy so we could continue to buy stuff from C&I. I

 

[Eeyore]

T Wake wrote:

In the UK when a nutcase kills someone, the press hound social services
("How could you let this happen") and inevitably some poor functionary will
get sacked as a scapegoat. However, the reality of the matter is the nutter
was the bad person and the _only_ person to blame.

Actually, in the case of UK social services I can readily believe that policy
was to blame in fact.

Graham

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

T Wake wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:

"Kurt Ullman" <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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In article <HPWdnXZeKd_lvLnYRVnyig@pipex.net>,
"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:


If you spent your day waving placards outside the Whitehouse saying
how
great the UK was and how all Americans should live like that the
analogy
would make more sense.

I'd still argue it. Lots of reason to stay home, not the least of which
is trying to reform your home country. That and all those extra "u"s
they throw into words for no apparent in the UK (G).

Nothing wrong with the letter u. I've never understood why Americans seem
to
avoid it. (Don't get me started on the pronunciation of route... )


You British twits added the extraneous "U"s in a pathetic attempt to
make yourselves look witty. It didn't work.


Other way round really.

Really? Look at some historical texts and get back to me.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[T Wake]

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lucasea@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote in message
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Well, I'd like to have a few less crapolas posts so I can find
the ones were posted by thoughtful people.

Reasonable enough wish, although it carries the risk that you only read
posts which say things you already agree with.... Always seems kind of
pointless to me.

Seems that's what most people in this discussion want...and if you don't
give it to them, they'll swear at you, insult you, and even threaten
physical violence and assault.

Yes, I know. I'm trying to figure out how to quell this useless
behaviour. I don't seem to have figured it out yet.

Me neither, but thanks for trying. Shame doesn't work (silly me, should
have known that one.) Stolidly attempting reasoned discussion with both
sides of the issue doesn't work.

Personally, I think it does work. Reasoned discussion will be noted and
impact other reasonable people.

The argumentative, ass-fixated, school children will never be impacted upon.

(Side comment--isn't it also sad that such a complex issue seems to have
only two sides bashing at each other?

Partly this is down to the "with us or against us" mentality both sides tend
to exhibit. Still, there may well be Reds under the bed....

 

[Eeyore]

John Fields wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
Keith wrote:
jfields@austininstruments.com says...

Graham is vehemently anti-American, as can be seen in his posts
which have nothing to do with US policy.

Yep! ...right down to the way local school districts run their
school buses. He knows all.

It seems Americans are too stupid to even consider the concept of double decker
buses if you need to move more ppl than fit in a single deck one !

---
We prefer multiple single-decker buses because in case of an
accident fewer kids will get hurt.

You might actually be wrong. But anyway, 2 buses need 2 drivers and in Keith's
example there was only one driver. Hence the one bus had to do 3 trips, meaning the
kids had to do staggered school hours. Sounds daft to me for sure.

Graham

 

[T Wake]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:

Do Americans have a word for Bullying?

Yes, do you have one for yellow bellied cowards?

Not one word. As you can see, there were three there. I can help with your
counting if you want?

The post I replied to said:

"Because America has the wherewithal and the will to do whatever it wants
to, and all the little guys resent that."

So can I assume by your reply that the option is force others to do as I say
or be a yellow bellied coward.

Honestly, this makes no sense to me.

 

[Eeyore]

T Wake wrote:

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=408249&in_page_id=1770

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=408249&in_page_id=1770

Are you a ten-percent-er?


Entertainingly, most of the comments seem to come from Americans.

I especially like this one:

"Agreed. Finally abstinance is being taught and encouraged in American
schools. Things are actually starting to look up morally here, at least
where I live. Girls who "fool around" are really looked down upon and almost
shunned in my school. Because of that we really don't have a problem.

- Danny Dymarkowski, Archbold Ohio"

I am going to laugh about that for days.

I'll bet she takes it up the arse though ! Apparently in the USA that isn't considered real sex and so
doesn't count. That why syphilis rates are rising.

Graham

 

[Kurt Ullman]

In article <452575FD.93302F82@hotmail.com>,
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

Kurt Ullman wrote:

lucasea@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

And again, I'll ask, is there nothing in your worldview but "nuke 'em
all"
and "capitulate". Must really suck to live in such a black-and-white
world.

You suggested that we stop giving them reasons to hate us. From their
own rhetoric and statements, the only way we are going to get that
subset that hates to stop is to capitulate. Period.

No it isn't.
Gee apparently the Argument Clinic Sketch has broken out.. (g).

Why do you think that ?

Well the rhetoric of OBL and other Al_Queda honchoes. The writings and
rhetoric of radical sects in Saudi, the remnants of the Taliban the
pronouncements in public after the various attacks in Europe and Asia,
etc. I generally take people at their word when they say they will
continue to bomb until the US and the West are defeated and Islam rules
throughout the world. These are the guys that want to do is in and the
subset who hate us.

 

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Kurt Ullman wrote:

In article <452573BD.DAD71895@earthlink.net>,
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Do you personally know anyone who doesn't carry some form of
identification?

I know a bunch. But then I work with homeless schizophrenics, which
might not be a real usable sample...


I don't envy you. I see people like that at the VA hospital in
Gainsville when I'm there, but they do have ID, or they don't get
treatment. The hospital has a locker room and showers for them, but
typical to federal laws, they are not allowed to sleep there unless they
are an in patient.

The Ocala national forest has some 3000 homeless Veterans scattered
around in shanties and tents who refuse any help. Sometimes that will
visit one of the mobile medical units, but only if they are afraid they
are about to die if they don't.

Wow, I've hiked there, although only a little. No idea what was in them
woods! Not too surprised, though--the ONF reminds me a little of the Pine
Barrens in NJ, where I've also hiked. Ever heard about them?
Anthropologically fascinating area. The weather is amenable. Anyway, the
ONF has to be better than a steam grate in NYC....

Eric Lucas

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

T Wake wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:4524AD4F.E60318D@earthlink.net...
T Wake wrote:

Do Americans have a word for Bullying?

Yes, do you have one for yellow bellied cowards?

Not one word. As you can see, there were three there. I can help with your
counting if you want?

Would you like help with reading comprehension? I didn't say "yellow
bellied cowards" was one word, I asked if you had a word that was
equivalent to it?

The post I replied to said:

"Because America has the wherewithal and the will to do whatever it wants
to, and all the little guys resent that."

So can I assume by your reply that the option is force others to do as I say
or be a yellow bellied coward.

Honestly, this makes no sense to me.

Poor comprehension will do that to you.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Eeyore]

T Wake wrote:

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
T Wake wrote:
"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote

Israel can only 'win' by erasing Lebanon.

Is that what you want ?

What alternative do they have? Until the Palestinians and Arabs can
accept
Israel's existence, Israel can not hold off on its defensive posture.

Do you advocate Israel surrender?

Many Arab nations have sorted this one out. We really do need to bash the
Israeli and Palestinian heads together.

The Palestinians have been offered the same all other Arab nation have been
offered.

Is there ever going to be an acceptable midde ground?

There will *have* to be !

Whilst Israel continues to get a blank cheque from the USA it's not going
to happen of course.

Maybe. Hard to think of a reason why the US should abandon it's support of
Israel though.

What does the USA get out of it ? Apart from terrorist attacks ?

Graham

 

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Well, I'd like to have a few less crapolas posts so I can find
the ones were posted by thoughtful people.

Reasonable enough wish, although it carries the risk that you only
read posts which say things you already agree with.... Always seems
kind of pointless to me.

Seems that's what most people in this discussion want...and if you
don't give it to them, they'll swear at you, insult you, and even
threaten physical violence and assault. I have learned a lot from the
few *reasonable* posters in this thread, both those I agree with *and*
those I don't...and there are even a few people in the discussion with
whom I disagree but they still showed respect for my opinion. It's too
bad that everyone else is so insecure in themselves and their views
that the slightest difference of opinion brings obscenity, insults and
threats of violence instead of healthy discussion.

Sadly it is what passes for normal debate on USENET most of the time
though

With the exception of the occasional satirical response to the Netkook du
jour, Uncle Al's occasional rants at homework grubbers and greenies, and
a few other immature wackos like Hanson, sci.chem has for a long time (at
least back to 1993, when I first became active) been much more civil than
this. People disagree and debate all the time, but it is *extremely*
rare that it gets to the "fuck you" stage of pointless genital-measuring.
One would hope that the rest of the sci.* hierarchy was similarly mature,
but I guess not.


Maybe I gravitate to the more argumentative threads You do have a
point though.

Well, it's obviously an interesting enough discussion to keep my interest,
despite the modest S/N. I've found that ignoring Eeyore has helped. He
makes some excellent points occasionally, but by and large, he's as much a
knee-jerk reactionary as all the others.

Eric Lucas

Eric Lucas