Jihad needs scientists

[Eeyore]

Jim Thompson wrote:

N'est pas?

Your 'French' is dreadful.

Graham

 

[T Wake]

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"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
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On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:20:31 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

thus my previous not-so-quiet comment
that his mouth was running on government money.

Nope. We do lots more than government work.

Even if you didn't, so what? My main income source is from government
contracts, however as a free citizen I am perfectly entitled to voice my
opinion.

It is a sad reflection on the society which encourages people to "report"
those they think are speaking out of turn.

This thread has begun to create the illusion of America being a cross
between 1930 Germany and George Orwell's 1984.

 

[T Wake]

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 16:21:57 GMT, <lucasea@sbcglobal.net> wrote:


"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in
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On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 16:06:00 +0100, Eeyore
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How much do you personally donate to things like this?

I don't have to account for it thank you and I certainly don't have the
kind of income
that would allow me to donate anything like you do. We do however have a
government
that does it on our behalf, not to mention the likes of Oxfam etc... in
the 'voluntary
sector' who are normally very fast off the mark when need is high.

In other words, nothing. In Texas, people like you are called "all hat
and no horse."

You might want to remember that private monetary matters are just
that--private. Just because you chose to parade yours around in public
just
to show how big your genitalia are, doesn't mean that anybody else is
obligated to. I guess Texans don't have any manners as regards the
privacy
of private matters.

Eric Lucas



How much do you personally donate to international assistance? Funny
how "none of your business" starts with "none."

I donate GBŁ22,000 per annum - in addition to having donated several years
of my life.

What does this have to do with anything?

 

[T Wake]

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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---
Yeah, like: "If we give you this money will you promise to use it to
feed your people and not to make weapons with it?"
---

Or "If we give you this money will you promise to use it to buy weapons and
fight [Insert Disliked Government of the Day] and promise never to fight
us - unless you really have to?"

Can you [or anyone] remind me why the Irish Republican terrorist
organisations received so much in the way of donations from concerned,
caring, American private citizens? I've never been all that sure myself.

 

[T Wake]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Jim Thompson wrote:

I've seen very few French tourists here in AZ... probably because
they'd be shunned ;-)


The ones I've met in Florida were quite rude, and about as ignorant
as the donkey. They think we owe them a huge favor because they came
here to harass us.

All French people are rude. That is why no one likes them. Even the French
don't like themselves.

 

[T Wake]

"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
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On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:24:24 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

I've seen very few French tourists here in AZ... probably because
they'd be shunned ;-)


The ones I've met in Florida were quite rude, and about as ignorant
as the donkey. They think we owe them a huge favor because they came
here to harass us.

When I hear them in restaurants I say something like, "Le peuple de la
France est ignorant" ;-)

You really should be a stand up comedian. Your talents are going to waste.

 

[T Wake]

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 09:00:52 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:



mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

In article <45206C8B.5FBCA071@hotmail.com>, Eeyore writes:
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:
In article <45205B23.8190A32@hotmail.com>, Eeyore writes:
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

The Islamic terrorists aim at destruction of the western society

Where did you get that idea ?

From their own writings. Try to keep informed.

Idiot.

You mean they only migrate here becasue they want to destroy us ?

I said "Islamic terrorists". I didn't say "all Muslims". You still
fail to understand the difference.

Your assertion is still wrong.

There is no such thing as a coherent 'Islamic terrorist' movement, much as
the USA would like to have you
believe it. Much Islamic terrorism isn't even targeted at the West.

---
So what? With world domonation as its goal, one would expect it
would strike world-wide, as the opportunity arose.

Whose goal? "It" isn't really appropriate to define the long term aims of a
disparate group of organisations. Are "they" trying to dominate the world or
destroy western society or convert every one or...

 

[John Fields]

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 15:57:00 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

lucasea@sbcglobal.net wrote:

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote

It's just that the American fundamentalist Right has only scare tactics to
resort to and nothing of substance whatever.

...and if one chooses to draw parallels between our actions in the Middle
East and 1933-1939 Germany,

There isn't even the tiniest iota of similarity.


one parallel is the fact that Bush is using
similar scare tactics to retain power, take away peoples' rights, and kill a
segment of the world population, in much the same propagandistic way that
Hitler did.

Well... he is. The removal of constitutional safeguards and checks is a case in
point.


Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Bush is the next
Hitler, just that there *are* parallels between their misanthropic behavior,
if hugely different in degree and consequence.

Very different. The outcome could be similar though. This is why the USA needs
to be halted in its current idiotic behaviour.

---
And just how do you propose to do that?


--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer

 

[Eeyore]

T Wake wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote

Hey Eric, I guess you are a true dumb-ass... you don't even have a
hat, and too stupid to realize Larkin is in CA, not TX.

What is your street address? I have some buddies at Ohio State that
are just drooling for the chance to "meet" you ;-)

You are funny guy. Do you really have buddies or are they just made up to
try and make you look good?

He trots out this nonsense from time to time.

I expect it's to hide inner feelings of insecurity. He'd really like to hang out
with bikers you know !

Graham

 

[T Wake]

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:

"JoeBloe" <joebloe@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote
On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 09:14:33 +0100, Eeyore Gave us:
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

You may have noted that 9/11 was way before the invasion of Iraq.

Does Palestine ring any bells ?

The real demon is the State of Israel.

Graham

The real demon is the law that keeps people like me from shooting
fucking idiots like you.

Wow. Cutting, witty comeback. Did you used to work for Mad magazine?

The law doesn't prevent you from doing it. Fear of being caught and
punished
does.

It would be a great world where you could shoot any one who didn't agree
with you, wouldn't it?

At this level he's really a closet Islamist.

It saddens me that the freedoms and rights that our ancestors fought so hard
for are thrown away by the current generation in such a cavalier manner.
Anti-western terrorists want to destroy what they see as the decadent
freedom of the west. To prevent this we remove our freedoms.

Strikes me as madness but then I am getting old and probably wont live long
enough to see the full effects of this.

 

[Eeyore]

John Fields wrote:

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:11:54 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:
In article <4520C55D.7B2F988C@hotmail.com>, Eeyore writes:

You need to do some reading. OBL for example.

I'm doing my reading. It is your reading that appears quite
superficial. Try following memri.org for a while, and that's just for
starters.

I see they mention the Muslim Brotherhood. They're the ppl you really should be scared about. Not >Islam
generally.

---
Probably _you_ should be afraid. I don't think they've forgotten
the Crusades yet.

Afraid of what exactly ?

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

T Wake wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote

Yep, I knew he was at Battelle, thus my previous not-so-quiet comment
that his mouth was running on government money.

Wonder if his boss knows the crap he posts? I'll make sure that he
does ;-)

Loathe though I am to join in with the generalisation of American behaviour
traits, am I reading this correct in that some one has disagreed with you so
your response is a series of threats of violence and / or complaining to his
employer.

Amazing. You make me so proud.

Nothing's too base for Jim.

He even claims to be a libertarian !


Graham

 

[Eeyore]

T Wake wrote:

lucasea@sbcglobal.net> wrote
"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote

thus my previous not-so-quiet comment
that his mouth was running on government money.

Nope. We do lots more than government work.

Even if you didn't, so what? My main income source is from government
contracts, however as a free citizen I am perfectly entitled to voice my
opinion.

It is a sad reflection on the society which encourages people to "report"
those they think are speaking out of turn.

The self-styled 'country of the free' too !

This thread has begun to create the illusion of America being a cross
between 1930 Germany and George Orwell's 1984.

Illusion ??????

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

T Wake wrote:

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote
On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 16:21:57 GMT, <lucasea@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote
On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 16:06:00 +0100, Eeyore wrote:

How much do you personally donate to things like this?

I don't have to account for it thank you and I certainly don't have the
kind of income
that would allow me to donate anything like you do. We do however have a
government
that does it on our behalf, not to mention the likes of Oxfam etc... in
the 'voluntary sector' who are normally very fast off the mark when need
is high.

In other words, nothing. In Texas, people like you are called "all hat
and no horse."

You might want to remember that private monetary matters are just
that--private. Just because you chose to parade yours around in public
just
to show how big your genitalia are, doesn't mean that anybody else is
obligated to. I guess Texans don't have any manners as regards the
privacy of private matters.

Eric Lucas

How much do you personally donate to international assistance? Funny
how "none of your business" starts with "none."

I donate GBŁ22,000 per annum - in addition to having donated several years
of my life.

What does this have to do with anything?

It appears to be a lame attempt to justify the USA's paltry aid budget of 0.17%
of GDP.

Graham

 

[T Wake]

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In article <lqCdnZd8Rd3mzL3YRVnysA@pipex.net>, "T Wake"
usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> writes:

Really? So all the "Rules of War" apply then?

The rules of war apply to those who themselves apply the rules of war.

That is a cop out.

No, it is not.

It is, but it digresses.

It is a cop-out, but it's not a digression

I meant to say that the discussion of the cop out was a digression, sorry.

--it's directly on point of one of the bad behaviors of the US government,
that has help the terrorist cause. Human civilization has decided in the
past that war is to be fought with some semblence of rules, and came up
with the Geneva Convention as a way of putting them on paper.

For centuries there has been accepted behaviour and conduct during war.
Unfortunately these were often circumvented by demonising the enemy
(declaring them apostate or even subhuman). The Geneva Accords most nations
have signed up to are just the most recent formalisation of these.

Sadly, the current "war" does not feel itself bound by the "Rules of War" in
any shape or form.

This was precisely so that "the rules of war apply to those who themselves
apply the rules of war", to prevent world aggressors like Hitler from
making up their own rules of combat. The US loses the moral high ground
to the terrorists precisely when it chooses to "re-interpret" (a euphemism
for "ignore and unilaterally rewrite") the Geneva Convention.

Sadly true.

By doing so, they have legitimized anybody else who wants to rewrite the
rules of the conflict that they find themselves embroiled in--like the
radical Islamist terrorists, or the next group/country that decides it
doesn't like the behavior of the US government.

I agree. The West has initiated this "war" on the basis we are
good/free/democratic etc and "they" aren't. Throwing away the rule book so
we can get "them" is not a step in the right direction. There is a reason
why police have to follow the law to apprehend criminals.

It amazes me that Meron refuses to see that this behavior on the part of
the US government only serves to piss off the rest of the world and as a
rallying cry for the terrorists.


The victory conditions are either nonsensical or nonachievable. Has any
"War on Terror" been won?

I'll take you one further...in order to succeed (win), you have to define
what success would look like. Can we even do that in any realistic sense?
Has Bush and his cronies actually ever even bothered to try? If not, it
sure starts to sound like nothing more than a catch-phrase soundbite,
along the lines of "Mission Accomplished".

Defining success in a nebulous concept is difficult for sane people. Maybe
if the President of the United States waits long enough, God will tell him.

The crux is how much you are prepared to destroy western society in order
that you protect it.

The same can be said of the US Constitution. How much is the current
regime willing to destroy the Constitution to protect it?


The western world bandies the term "war" around much too easily. (War
on
Terror, War on Drugs, War on Obesity etc.)

Indeed, quite true. Yet, in this case, it is a real war.

Again. I disagree. The conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan is a real war.
The
activity at airports and train stations is not a war.

It is all part of the same conflict.

This statement by Meron may explain a little why he is so hardline in
defending the "it is a real war" stance. He's buying into Bush's whole
package of lies, hook line and sinker. The war in Iraq is not in any way
remotely related to the war in Afghanistan. Our attack on Afghanistan was
carried out because the government there chose to support the terrorists
by harboring them, funding them, etc. In attempting to change that, we
were largely successful (at least until our invasion of Iraq gave the
terrorists a big boost.) By contrast, there were few to no terrorist
activities in Iraq before we chose to invade and completely destabilize
the country. Yes, Saddam Hussein was a terrible dictator who did terrible
things to his own countrymen.

Very true. The invasion of Afghanistan made sense. The invasion of Iraq was
madness that has blunted the west's ability to get on with the rest of the
"mission." (Stabilisation of Afghanistan, change opium production to other
crops, stop Pakistan supporting the Taleban, remove safe routes for AQ etc.)

Iraq was such a badly timed move it beggars belief. Even waiting three years
would have worked wonders.

However, he was never a threat to us or anybody else outside Iraq...and
there have been plenty of equally evil tyrants that we have simply ignored
throughout our history. However, now that we have gone into Iraq to play
cowboy, we have widened the war on terror to include a place where it
never existed before.

Yep. Prior to the invasion and regime change, Iraq was not a "safe ground"
for AQ sponsored groups. Now, it is.....

Well done...

Same with Bush legitimizing the whole thing by calling it a "war" on
terror. It seems to me that Meron can't see the forest for Bush's
soundbites and lies.

I want Special Forces assistance in my War Against Grass this Sunday.

 

[Eeyore]

T Wake wrote:

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote
On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 09:00:52 +0100, Eeyore wrote:

There is no such thing as a coherent 'Islamic terrorist' movement, much as
the USA would like to have you
believe it. Much Islamic terrorism isn't even targeted at the West.

So what? With world domonation as its goal, one would expect it
would strike world-wide, as the opportunity arose.

Whose goal? "It" isn't really appropriate to define the long term aims of a
disparate group of organisations. Are "they" trying to dominate the world or
destroy western society or convert every one or...

It seems to me he doesn't actually know or even care much as long as there's
some 'bogeyman' to have a pop at.

Graham

 

[T Wake]

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:

lucasea@sbcglobal.net> wrote
"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote

thus my previous not-so-quiet comment
that his mouth was running on government money.

Nope. We do lots more than government work.

Even if you didn't, so what? My main income source is from government
contracts, however as a free citizen I am perfectly entitled to voice my
opinion.

It is a sad reflection on the society which encourages people to "report"
those they think are speaking out of turn.

The self-styled 'country of the free' too !


This thread has begun to create the illusion of America being a cross
between 1930 Germany and George Orwell's 1984.

Illusion ??????

Well, USENET can never be described as an accurate vision of reality. By
definition we are all weirdos for posting here. I am reading this in
sci.physics which has so many posts from headcases you would give up all
hope if it were an accurate reflection....

 

[Eeyore]

John Fields wrote:

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 15:57:00 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
lucasea@sbcglobal.net wrote:

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Bush is the next
Hitler, just that there *are* parallels between their misanthropic behavior,
if hugely different in degree and consequence.

Very different. The outcome could be similar though. This is why the USA needs
to be halted in its current idiotic behaviour.

---
And just how do you propose to do that?

There's this thing called public opinion and it affects this other thing called
politics.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

T Wake wrote:

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message

This thread has begun to create the illusion of America being a cross
between 1930 Germany and George Orwell's 1984.

Illusion ??????

Well, USENET can never be described as an accurate vision of reality. By
definition we are all weirdos for posting here. I am reading this in
sci.physics which has so many posts from headcases you would give up all
hope if it were an accurate reflection....

Is Archimedes Plutonium currently resident there ? He's a nutter if ever there
was one.

Graham

 

[Homer J Simpson]

<lucasea@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Oh, come on, you know perfectly well that one anecdote (8 years old, no
less) does not a "trait" make. However, this anecdote is useless. A
white woman was recently (in the past month) dragged to death behind a
pickup truck, too. By your logic, US society hates all whites and all
women as well.

Hispanic - by her husband.