Jihad needs scientists

"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
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On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:20:31 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

thus my previous not-so-quiet comment
that his mouth was running on government money.

Nope. We do lots more than government work.

Eric Lucas

 

[Homer J Simpson]

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Jim Thompson wrote:

That's why we should .... burn the UN to the ground.

It clearly doesn't belong in NY any more.

It should move to Europe. There'll be a nice building going begging soon
in
Strasbourg for it.

Bermuda or Jamaica perhaps?

 

[Homer J Simpson]

"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote in message
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When I become God all religions will be banned...

Quite right. There is a god and she is an atheist.

The "US" does not exist as a single person and as such can not make a
"distinction" in the manner you mean. The problem appears to stem from
people rightly or wrongly making that distinction. Even in what used to me
a much more secular, tolerant, Europe we suffer from Islamophobia to such
an extent that it no longer seems to matter which part of Asia you come
from, if you look "Muslim" you are to be treated as suspect until proven
otherwise.

The US is a juggernaut. No one really controls or directs it - any
appearance that they do is an illusion. You can divert it slightly by
throwing your body under the wheels but it still goes in the same general
direction and barely notices your sacrifice.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message
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How much do you personally donate to things like this?

I don't have to account for it thank you and I certainly don't have the
kind of income
that would allow me to donate anything like you do. We do however have a
government
that does it on our behalf, not to mention the likes of Oxfam etc... in
the 'voluntary
sector' who are normally very fast off the mark when need is high.

Graham

In other words, nothing. In Texas, people like you are called "all hat
and no horse."

Luke 21:
1 And he looked up, and saw the rich men that were casting their gifts into
the treasury.
2 And he saw a certain poor widow casting in thither two mites.
3 And he said, Of a truth I say unto you, This poor widow cast in more than
they all:
4 for all these did of their superfluity cast in unto the gifts; but she of
her want did cast in all the living that she had.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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This should narrow it down:
----------------------------------------------------------------------

WHOIS results for 131.167.64.124

Now you are a stalker?

 

"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
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On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:35:27 GMT, <lucasea@sbcglobal.net> wrote:


"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Jim Thompson wrote:

What is your street address? I have some buddies at Ohio State that
are just drooling for the chance to "meet" you ;-)

Presumably a threat of physical violence again ?

Do you Americans know nothing else ?

Graham, while I do agree with much that you say, I really do wish you
would
learn to distinguish between 'Murc'ns of Jim's ilk, and those of us who
choose to think about issues, and not just respond on a simplistic gut
level. You're just as guilty of the fallacy of "guilt by association" in
assuming that all US residents/citizens are the same, as you say Meron,
Jim
and other Americans are by lumping all radical Islamist terrorists
together.
In neither case does labelling allow for intelligent discussion. On the
other hand, maybe that's not anybody's aim, in which I return you to the
regularly scheduled pissing matches....

"lumping all radical Islamist terrorists together"

Yep. Think about that sentence, if you're actually capable of
thinking ;-)

Boy, you really do go out of your way to pick fights, don't you? Those
were Graham's words, not mine.

Eric Lucas

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:02:17 GMT, <lucasea@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
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On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:35:27 GMT, <lucasea@sbcglobal.net> wrote:


"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Jim Thompson wrote:

What is your street address? I have some buddies at Ohio State that
are just drooling for the chance to "meet" you ;-)

Presumably a threat of physical violence again ?

Do you Americans know nothing else ?

Graham, while I do agree with much that you say, I really do wish you
would
learn to distinguish between 'Murc'ns of Jim's ilk, and those of us who
choose to think about issues, and not just respond on a simplistic gut
level. You're just as guilty of the fallacy of "guilt by association" in
assuming that all US residents/citizens are the same, as you say Meron,
Jim
and other Americans are by lumping all radical Islamist terrorists
together.
In neither case does labelling allow for intelligent discussion. On the
other hand, maybe that's not anybody's aim, in which I return you to the
regularly scheduled pissing matches....

"lumping all radical Islamist terrorists together"

Yep. Think about that sentence, if you're actually capable of
thinking ;-)

Boy, you really do go out of your way to pick fights, don't you? Those
were Graham's words, not mine.

Eric Lucas

In this message, provided your reader is not misconfigured...

Lucas

JT

Lucas

Eeyore

JT

N'est pas?

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"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
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On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:02:17 GMT, <lucasea@sbcglobal.net> wrote:


"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
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On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:35:27 GMT, <lucasea@sbcglobal.net> wrote:


"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Jim Thompson wrote:

What is your street address? I have some buddies at Ohio State that
are just drooling for the chance to "meet" you ;-)

Presumably a threat of physical violence again ?

Do you Americans know nothing else ?

Graham, while I do agree with much that you say, I really do wish you
would
learn to distinguish between 'Murc'ns of Jim's ilk, and those of us who
choose to think about issues, and not just respond on a simplistic gut
level. You're just as guilty of the fallacy of "guilt by association"
in
assuming that all US residents/citizens are the same, as you say Meron,
Jim
and other Americans are by lumping all radical Islamist terrorists
together.
In neither case does labelling allow for intelligent discussion. On the
other hand, maybe that's not anybody's aim, in which I return you to the
regularly scheduled pissing matches....

"lumping all radical Islamist terrorists together"

Yep. Think about that sentence, if you're actually capable of
thinking ;-)

Boy, you really do go out of your way to pick fights, don't you? Those
were Graham's words, not mine.

Eric Lucas


In this message, provided your reader is not misconfigured...

Lucas

JT

Lucas

Eeyore

JT

N'est pas?

No thanks, I prefer Hershey's.

But yes, those are correct attributions. Eeyore's comment wasn't in this
direct subthread, it has appeared at least a couple of times in other
subthreads.

Eric Lucas

 

[Homer J Simpson]

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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LOL, with all that anti-American bile surging through your system,
"Methinks the gentleman doth protest too much." :-O

Yes, it's a well known fact that racism has been entirely eliminated from
all of US society. Why even the notion of it is completely foreign to all
residents of that land.

3 whites indicted in dragging death of black man in Texas

July 6, 1998

JASPER, Texas (CNN) -- Three white men were indicted Monday on capital
murder charges in the death of a black man who was chained to a pickup truck
and dragged to his death on a rural East Texas road in early June.

 

[David Brown]

John Fields wrote:

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 00:48:31 GMT, <lucasea@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 00:17:17 GMT, "Homer J Simpson"
nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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I see. You think that we've isolated ourselves and that we're
pursuing a strictly military solution to the problem.

You are insane.
I seem to recall references to "Shock and Awe".
---
Of course. What you don't hear about is the clandestine work that's
being done. You're not supposed to.
---

Doesn't sound like the cops
to me - unless it's the nutjob US cops who shoot everything in sight.
---
Yup, we've got some bad ones, same like everywhere.
"Some bad ones" is more than a little disingenuous. The nutjob that made
the quoted words famous is supposed to be the leader of the free world--he's
not supposed to be one of the "bad ones". It really robs him and his
mission of credibility to act like some sort of irresponsible cowboy.

---
In the first place, we were talking about 'cops' which, in my view,
refers to civilian officers of the law.

You're obviously referring to the President of the United States of
America, who is a civilian but, nonetheless, the Commander-in-Chief
of the armed forces of the United States of America, which places
him in a role quite different from that played by a common 'cop',
and to try to liken him to a cop strikes me as being a little
disingenuous.

You may disagree with his policies and those of his staff, but the
fact remains that, for better or for worse, those policies will be
carried out and there's very little you or I can do to stop that
from happening.

It's fair enough that us "foreigners" can't do much about Bush and his
policies, but it's quite telling that you think that *you*, as an
American citizen, can't do anything either.

I suggest that a letter to the White House or an email to:

http://answers.firstgov.gov/cgi-bin/gsa_ict.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php

might be appropriate if you can spare the time to make your thoughts
known to those who matter.

 

[Eeyore]

lucasea@sbcglobal.net wrote:

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
Jim Thompson wrote:

What is your street address? I have some buddies at Ohio State that
are just drooling for the chance to "meet" you ;-)

Presumably a threat of physical violence again ?

Do you Americans know nothing else ?

Graham, while I do agree with much that you say, I really do wish you would
learn to distinguish between 'Murc'ns of Jim's ilk, and those of us who
choose to think about issues, and not just respond on a simplistic gut
level. You're just as guilty of the fallacy of "guilt by association" in
assuming that all US residents/citizens are the same, as you say Meron, Jim
and other Americans are by lumping all radical Islamist terrorists together.
In neither case does labelling allow for intelligent discussion. On the
other hand, maybe that's not anybody's aim, in which I return you to the
regularly scheduled pissing matches....

Sadly Americans with open minds are in a serious minority in s.e.d. My comments
simply refect my experience.

I am pleased to hear you're not all alike for sure. I was somewhat impressed by
some videos of Keith Olberman on YouTube recently fearlessly criticising the
current administration and its better-known members. I haven't entirely given up
hope yet.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:24:24 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:

I've seen very few French tourists here in AZ... probably because
they'd be shunned ;-)


The ones I've met in Florida were quite rude, and about as ignorant
as the donkey. They think we owe them a huge favor because they came
here to harass us.

When I hear them in restaurants I say something like, "Le peuple de la
France est ignorant" ;-)

You 'French' is shockingly bad.

Graham

 

[T Wake]

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On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:30:59 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 09:16:54 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

[snip]

Yep. However I wouldn't hang my hat on anything CAIR has to offer.
Around here they spout all kinds of hate, refuse to say anything
negative about extremism, nor be interviewed by the media.

My feeling is that if American Muslims can't/won't be outspoken
against their extremist brothers, in an out-and-out world blow-up
they'll be rounded up into camps just like the Japanese-Americans in
WWII... deservedly... "silence implies consent" (Sir Thomas More).

The only people who should be "rounded up" are people who commit
crimes.

John

There are some provisions in my statement. Since most (if not all)
Muslims won't criticize Jihad, in a war we will have to presume that
all Muslims are closet Islamic terrorists.

I repeat, "silence implies consent".

Now show me some Imams that vocally criticize this crap and I'll
change my feelings.

Welcome to the land of the free. Its good to see that you can protect
western society by destroying it.

 

[John Fields]

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 09:14:33 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

You may have noted that 9/11 was way before the invasion of Iraq.

Does Palestine ring any bells ?

The real demon is the State of Israel.

---
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--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer

 

[Eeyore]

Jim Thompson wrote:

Since most (if not all)
Muslims won't criticize Jihad, in a war we will have to presume that
all Muslims are closet Islamic terrorists.

You haven't a clue what Jihad really means. If you understood...........

" Jihad, sometimes spelled Jahad, Jehad, Jihaad, Djehad or Cihad, (Arabic:
????? ?ih?d) is an Islamic term, from the Arabic root ?hd ("to exert
utmost effort, to strive, struggle"), which connotes a wide range of
meanings: anything from an inward spiritual struggle to attain perfect
faith to a political or military struggle "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Homer J Simpson wrote:

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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All religions seem to have these issues. In Christianity we have the
conflict
between the values of the Old and New Testaments for example. It's my
understanding that a similar situation arises in Islam between the early (
almost liberal ) and late ( reactionary ) teachings of Mohammed.

Isn't the biggest problem the fact that Mohammed was illiterate and wrote no
books?

Quote:
========================================
Since Muhammad and his several hundred companions were completely illiterate
(could not read or write) and Muhammad had a poor memory; thus, his
companions memorized for him the Quranic verses they plagiarized/concocted.
But in the battle of Yamamah, almost all his companions were killed and the
original Quranic verses were lost forever and was never compiled in writing
before Muhammad himself was killed by food poisoning in 632 A.D. by a Jewish
slave, who said, "If you are a true Apostle, Allah would have saved you".
Caliph Abu Bakr (632-634A.D.) then entrusted Zayed Ibn Thabit to compile the
Quran, from memories of Muhammad's illiterate wives, concubines, slaves, and
a few contacts; who claimed to have heard Muhammad and his companions utter
various verses. Zayed managed to gather an estimated 7,900 verses. But this
first compilation of the Quran, with numerous contradictions, ridicule,
confusions, and errors, created a lot of trouble and huge problems arose
over the years. Under the caliphate of Uthman (644-656 A.D.), he was
compelled to withdraw all the distributed, handwritten copies of the Qurans
and burnt them. Zayed was again ordered for the second time, to recompile
and re-edit the Quran more sensibly and convincingly from his original
Quran, kept with Hafsa (Muhammad's widow). Zayed did the best he could in
re-editing the Quran and more than 2,000 contradictory, confusing, erroneous
and illogical verses were abrogated (cancelled), some were replaced, and
others added/borrowed to make sense of the cancellations/replacements.
========================================
I don't know the truth of this but if true it explains a lot. It would seem
that these Caliphs were like Saul of Tarsus in that they virtually
re-invented the religion.

Intriguing.

Graham

 

[T Wake]

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On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 16:21:57 GMT, <lucasea@sbcglobal.net> wrote:


"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in
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On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 16:06:00 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:



How much do you personally donate to things like this?

I don't have to account for it thank you and I certainly don't have the
kind of income
that would allow me to donate anything like you do. We do however have a
government
that does it on our behalf, not to mention the likes of Oxfam etc... in
the 'voluntary
sector' who are normally very fast off the mark when need is high.

In other words, nothing. In Texas, people like you are called "all hat
and no horse."

You might want to remember that private monetary matters are just
that--private. Just because you chose to parade yours around in public
just
to show how big your genitalia are, doesn't mean that anybody else is
obligated to. I guess Texans don't have any manners as regards the
privacy
of private matters.

Eric Lucas



Hey Eric, I guess you are a true dumb-ass... you don't even have a
hat, and too stupid to realize Larkin is in CA, not TX.

What is your street address? I have some buddies at Ohio State that
are just drooling for the chance to "meet" you ;-)

You are funny guy. Do you really have buddies or are they just made up to
try and make you look good?

 

[John Fields]

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:11:54 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

In article <4520C55D.7B2F988C@hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> writes:

You need to do some reading. OBL for example.

I'm doing my reading. It is your reading that appears quite
superficial. Try following memri.org for a while, and that's just for
starters.

I see they mention the Muslim Brotherhood. They're the ppl you really should be scared about. Not Islam
generally.

---
Probably _you_ should be afraid. I don't think they've forgotten
the Crusades yet.


--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer

 

"Homer J Simpson" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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LOL, with all that anti-American bile surging through your system,
"Methinks the gentleman doth protest too much." :-O

Yes, it's a well known fact that racism has been entirely eliminated from
all of US society. Why even the notion of it is completely foreign to all
residents of that land.

3 whites indicted in dragging death of black man in Texas

July 6, 1998

JASPER, Texas (CNN) -- Three white men were indicted Monday on capital
murder charges in the death of a black man who was chained to a pickup
truck and dragged to his death on a rural East Texas road in early June.

Oh, come on, you know perfectly well that one anecdote (8 years old, no
less) does not a "trait" make. However, this anecdote is useless. A white
woman was recently (in the past month) dragged to death behind a pickup
truck, too. By your logic, US society hates all whites and all women as
well.

I'm not saying that racism doesn't exist in the US--*of course* it does,
nobody has claimed it hasn't. It has improved since the 60s, but not as
much as it should. The problem is labelling. Once you label a large group
of people, and begin to talk about members of that group as if they were
only the label you've given them ("All blacks are...", "All whites are...",
"All Americans are...", "All Europeans are...", "All Muslims are...") then
you cease any intelligent discussion on any issues related to those people,
and nothing but bickering ensues. Some Americans do it, but I've also
noticed a large fraction of the American *and* non-American participants in
this thread do it as well. But then, I guess the way that some people go
out of their way to pick a fight rather than discuss issues without threats
and name-calling, it shouldn't surprise me.

Eric Lucas

 

[T Wake]

"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
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On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:20:31 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
snip

Yep, I knew he was at Battelle, thus my previous not-so-quiet comment
that his mouth was running on government money.

Wonder if his boss knows the crap he posts? I'll make sure that he
does ;-)

Loathe though I am to join in with the generalisation of American behaviour
traits, am I reading this correct in that some one has disagreed with you so
your response is a series of threats of violence and / or complaining to his
employer.

Amazing. You make me so proud.