Jihad needs scientists

JoeBloe wrote:

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 09:24:57 GMT, mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu Gave us:
In article <4520D8A3.4083F074@hotmail.com>, Eeyore writes:
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:
In article <4520CA69.C0BBA60B@hotmail.com>, Eeyore writes:
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

You may have noted that 9/11 was way before the invasion of Iraq.

Does Palestine ring any bells ?

The real demon is the State of Israel.

You should note that Al Queda hardly ever mentioned Palestine before
9/11 either.

Al Qaeda wasn't really known about prior to 9/11 so your point is moot.

Al Queda was known for at least a decade before 9/11. "Not paid
attention to" is not the same thing as "not known". And Al Queda
itself is just an offshot of earlier movements.

Why even converse with that stupid idiot?
He was wrong anyway.

Graham
 
On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 00:29:37 GMT, "Homer J Simpson"
<nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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It's the Yanks that do that. They like the sound of it. They COULD have a
"War on Stupidity" but Bush (and Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice) would be SO
the
wrong persons to lead THAT.

Awww... You're just trying to discredit them because you're afraid
that the first target would be you.

True. In the land of the blind, the one eyed man must be killed first.
---
You missed the point, which was that if there was a war on stupidity
you'd be the first casualty. Probably because you'd be too stupid
to realize that a war on stupidity was going on.

Your analogy to the world of the blind is also stupid, because
there's no way a sighted person in the land of the blind could be
knocked off as sighted if he didn't want to be. It's also backwards
because you're likening yourself to the one-eyed man in the land of
the blind, when the truth is more like your a blind man in the land
of one-eyed men.



--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer
 
John Fields wrote:

You missed the point, which was that if there was a war on stupidity
you'd be the first casualty.
Bwahahahahahahahah

Don't trip over your shoe laces as you leave will you ? And shut the door behind
you.

Graham
 
On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 03:43:09 GMT, <lucasea@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

"JoeBloe" <joebloe@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
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On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 02:23:00 GMT, "Homer J Simpson"
nobody@nowhere.com> Gave us:


"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in
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But it isn't a war. It is a problem for a police force that requires
international cooperation, something the US is notoriously unable or
unwilling to be involved in.

I don't understand those words, "international cooperation." Where
might that be found?

Outside of the USA.


The Unite States gives away billions of dollars a year in aid to
other nations, asshole.

And exactly what percentage of major nations with viable armies have offered
to help us (i.e., "cooperate") in our aggression against Iraq? Diplomacy
has nothing to do with tossing around cash and hoping that the rest of the
world will fall to their knees and worship anything we do.

Eric Lucas
That's why we should discontinue all aid except to developing nations
needing food and health assistance.

And burn the UN to the ground.

...Jim Thompson
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On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 03:39:15 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

That's where we pretend we like the French ;-)


Sorry, Jim, but I'm not THAT good at playing pretend.
<snicker :->

...Jim Thompson
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On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 20:45:18 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 19:23:18 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 18:46:21 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 22:14:02 GMT, "Homer J Simpson"
nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:


"Gordon" <gordonlr@DELETEswbell.net> wrote in message
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So you are saying they are NOT better Xtians than everyone else?

No, I'm saying that this war on terrorism started long before
President Bush and the present Republican administration was
involved in any way.

But it isn't a war. It is a problem for a police force that requires
international cooperation, something the US is notoriously unable or
unwilling to be involved in.



I don't understand those words, "international cooperation." Where
might that be found?

John



That's where we pretend we like the French ;-)

...Jim Thompson

And the French pretend to have principles.

John
<double snicker :->

...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4520F44A.881C5E16@hotmail.com...
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

In article <efqje7$8ss_003@s821.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>,
jmfbahciv@aol.com writes:
In article <45206C37.EA6475DA@hotmail.com>,
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

Western Europe wasn't interested in getting much involved in the
anshluss, because it wasn't the target of Nazi expansionism.

All of which has zilch to do with this.

Your comment is an example of why history has to repeat itself.

Yes, exactly.

There is no exactly about it.

It's just that the American fundamentalist Right has only scare tactics to
resort to and
nothing of substance whatever.

....and if one chooses to draw parallels between our actions in the Middle
East and 1933-1939 Germany, one parallel is the fact that Bush is using
similar scare tactics to retain power, take away peoples' rights, and kill a
segment of the world population, in much the same propagandistic way that
Hitler did. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Bush is the next
Hitler, just that there *are* parallels between their misanthropic behavior,
if hugely different in degree and consequence.

Eric Lucas
 
On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 08:47:23 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 02:33:19 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

The US is not demonizing Islam, at this point. It makes the
distinction between Islam and Islamic extremism.

I can assure you that many Americans don't understand the difference.

How many is "many"? Seven? If "many" means "a significant fraction",
then you are, as usual, inventing anti-American "facts."

The majority who post on Usenet for sure !

It seems to me that the US War on Terror has simply created a new kind of
hostile racism or culture'ism of a sort.

Graham
I read about a recent experiment that was done in the UK. In response
to advertised job openings, good but fake resumes were invented and
sent in, with the only difference that some had English-sounding names
and some had Muslim-sounding names. The response ratio was about 5:1.

Your assignment is to tell us

1. Which group had the lower response and

2. Why?

John


ps: I employ one Muslim engineer, four Hispanic employees, one native
American, four Asians, two lesbians, and zero Englishmen. I suppose
that makes me a racist.
 
In article <2p1Ug.16$45.152@news.uchicago.edu>,
<mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu> wrote:
[....]
Well, here is at least one thing you can say for Al Queda. They are
quite honest, no pretending.

Maybe, they are just more effective liars. If you haven't caught them in
a lie, it doesn't mean there weren't lies they got away with.

The whole idea that they have anything to do with any form of Islam may
well be a lie. They can get lots of cannonfodder from the Muslim world
may be the reason they try to appear Islamist. It may really be about
power and control.

--
--
kensmith@rahul.net forging knowledge
 
In article <c7WdncygLPPv3r3YRVnytQ@pipex.net>,
T Wake <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
[...]
The western world bandies the term "war" around much too easily. (War on
Terror, War on Drugs, War on Obesity etc.)
It is time for a war on the improper use of the term "war on".

--
--
kensmith@rahul.net forging knowledge
 
In article <4311i2l8pj43dpasfo65k9e4gmp1200doi@4ax.com>,
JoeBloe <joebloe@nosuchplace.org> wrote:
On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 23:38:39 +0100, "T Wake"
usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> Gave us:

For thirty years the British were
terrorized by Irish Republicans, it was never called a "war.


Then why did they call themselves the Irish Republican Army (IRA)?
HHHhhhhmmmmmm?
The British side did not call it a war and called the Irish side criminals
because that was to the advantage of the British. The Irish side called
themselves the IRA because getting the word "army" in there made it a
"war" and that was to their advantage. Terrorists call themselves
"freedom fighters".

In the current conflict, the US has opted to give the other side an early
victory by calling it a "war".

--
--
kensmith@rahul.net forging knowledge
 
JoeBloe wrote:

The real demon is the law that keeps people like me from shooting
fucking idiots like you.
Let me see now.....

You complain about the fact that if you criticise Islam for being
irrational and violent, they respond with violence and death threats.

I criticise the USA for being irrational and violent and you respond
with the threat of violence and death too.

Seems like you have a lot in common with the Islamists.

Graham
 
On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 14:17:53 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

JoeBloe wrote:

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 09:08:21 +0100, Eeyore Gave us:
JoeBloe wrote:
On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 02:23:00 GMT, "Homer J Simpson" Gave us:
"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote

But it isn't a war. It is a problem for a police force that requires
international cooperation, something the US is notoriously unable or
unwilling to be involved in.

I don't understand those words, "international cooperation." Where
might that be found?

Outside of the USA.

The Unite States gives away billions of dollars a year in aid

The USA's aid donations are well below that of many other Western nations who
aren't even as rich !

Furthermore, it's often accompanied by silly 'conditions'.

The USA recently notably refused to co-operate in an internationally inspired
aid plan to bring safe drinking water to communities worlwide.

The USA should actually hang its head in shame.

Graham

Why anyone reads any of this idiot's troll trash is beyond me.

Hey donkey boy... Fuck off, liar.

The truth hurts doesn't it ?

US aid is frequently accompanied by compulsory 'trade concessions' that favour the
USA.

It also only gets a ranking of 7th in the overall 'league table' of international
aid donors despite having the world's highest GDP. Your Northern neighbour Canada
gets 6th btw.

The little old UK ranks 3 places above in 4th place

Top spot goes to *Denmark* !

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=2540

" In the United States, popular estimates of spending on aid are often highly
inflated. Surveys show that people typically think 15-20% of the federal budget is
spent on aid[1]; the real number is closer to 1%[2]. In absolute terms, the
$15-20bn of aid compares with $50bn spent annually on the war on drugs and $500bn
spent on the military...........

Reviewing Latin American Aid, Martha Huggins suggested in 1998 that “the more
foreign police aid given [by the US], the more brutal and less democratic the
police institutions and their governments become.

The United States is the world's largest contributor of ODA in absolute terms
($15.7 billion, 2003), but the *SMALLEST* among developed countries as a
percentage of its GDP (0.14% in 2003). The UN target for development aid is 0.7%
of GDP; currently only five countries (with Norway in the lead with 0.92%) achieve
this." ( my emphasis )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aid


Graham


http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Debt/USAid.asp


See "side notes on private contributions." Personally, both my wife
and I donate many thousands of dollars to the foreign-aid institutions
we believe in. This year, I will give maybe $20,000 to Doctors Without
Borders.

How much do you personally donate to things like this?

John
 
Jim Thompson wrote:

That's why we should .... burn the UN to the ground.
It clearly doesn't belong in NY any more.

It should move to Europe. There'll be a nice building going begging soon in
Strasbourg for it.

I'd also hope that Nato might vote to kick out the USA too.

Graham
 
lucasea@sbcglobal.net wrote:

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote

It's just that the American fundamentalist Right has only scare tactics to
resort to and nothing of substance whatever.

...and if one chooses to draw parallels between our actions in the Middle
East and 1933-1939 Germany,
There isn't even the tiniest iota of similarity.


one parallel is the fact that Bush is using
similar scare tactics to retain power, take away peoples' rights, and kill a
segment of the world population, in much the same propagandistic way that
Hitler did.
Well... he is. The removal of constitutional safeguards and checks is a case in
point.


Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Bush is the next
Hitler, just that there *are* parallels between their misanthropic behavior,
if hugely different in degree and consequence.
Very different. The outcome could be similar though. This is why the USA needs
to be halted in its current idiotic behaviour.

Graham
 
"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
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On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 03:43:09 GMT, <lucasea@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

"JoeBloe" <joebloe@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
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On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 02:23:00 GMT, "Homer J Simpson"
nobody@nowhere.com> Gave us:

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in
message
news:lpr0i2tbobi9niaiul5mhiv3r5rhl1vn27@4ax.com...

But it isn't a war. It is a problem for a police force that requires
international cooperation, something the US is notoriously unable or
unwilling to be involved in.

I don't understand those words, "international cooperation." Where
might that be found?

Outside of the USA.

The Unite States gives away billions of dollars a year in aid to
other nations, asshole.

And exactly what percentage of major nations with viable armies have
offered
to help us (i.e., "cooperate") in our aggression against Iraq? Diplomacy
has nothing to do with tossing around cash and hoping that the rest of the
world will fall to their knees and worship anything we do.

That's why we should discontinue all aid except to developing nations
needing food and health assistance.
I wouldn't go that far. Sending aid to the rest of the world is a good
thing, since, in the end, it does help maintain global stability. The way
it's done may not be perfect, but it's almost certainly better than not
doing anything. However, we have *got* to get over the redneck attitude
implicit in JoeBloe's post, "The Unite [sic] States gives away billions of
dollars a year in aid to other nations, asshole", which is followed by the
tacit "so kiss our feet, world."


And burn the UN to the ground.
That might not be a bad idea, but I think on the whole, we do need some sort
of world governing body. You may be right, though, the UN model might not
be the right way to go about it.

Eric Lucas
 
On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 09:09:14 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

That's where we pretend we like the French ;-)

Sorry, Jim, but I'm not THAT good at playing pretend.

Don't worry. The French don't much like your kind of Americans either.

Graham
Heck, you can hardly get into a roadside rest area bathroom for the
crowds from the French tour busses. On our way back from Monterey, my
wife had to sit shivering at the Junipera Serra rest stop for that
very reason, waiting out a bus full of female French tourists. If you
go to the top of Twin Peaks in San Francisco, the language you're most
likely to overhear is German.

Stay home! The lines at Peet's Coffee and Joseph Schmidt Chocolate are
long enough already.

John
 
On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 00:48:31 GMT, <lucasea@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 00:17:17 GMT, "Homer J Simpson"
nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:


"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
news:j0j0i21qmups653btr7mdtr7q44pu7b1ug@4ax.com...

I see. You think that we've isolated ourselves and that we're
pursuing a strictly military solution to the problem.

You are insane.

I seem to recall references to "Shock and Awe".

---
Of course. What you don't hear about is the clandestine work that's
being done. You're not supposed to.
---

Doesn't sound like the cops
to me - unless it's the nutjob US cops who shoot everything in sight.

---
Yup, we've got some bad ones, same like everywhere.

"Some bad ones" is more than a little disingenuous. The nutjob that made
the quoted words famous is supposed to be the leader of the free world--he's
not supposed to be one of the "bad ones". It really robs him and his
mission of credibility to act like some sort of irresponsible cowboy.
---
In the first place, we were talking about 'cops' which, in my view,
refers to civilian officers of the law.

You're obviously referring to the President of the United States of
America, who is a civilian but, nonetheless, the Commander-in-Chief
of the armed forces of the United States of America, which places
him in a role quite different from that played by a common 'cop',
and to try to liken him to a cop strikes me as being a little
disingenuous.

You may disagree with his policies and those of his staff, but the
fact remains that, for better or for worse, those policies will be
carried out and there's very little you or I can do to stop that
from happening.

I suggest that a letter to the White House or an email to:

http://answers.firstgov.gov/cgi-bin/gsa_ict.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php

might be appropriate if you can spare the time to make your thoughts
known to those who matter.


--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer
 
John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 08:47:23 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 02:33:19 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

The US is not demonizing Islam, at this point. It makes the
distinction between Islam and Islamic extremism.

I can assure you that many Americans don't understand the difference.

How many is "many"? Seven? If "many" means "a significant fraction",
then you are, as usual, inventing anti-American "facts."

The majority who post on Usenet for sure !

It seems to me that the US War on Terror has simply created a new kind of
hostile racism or culture'ism of a sort.

Graham

I read about a recent experiment that was done in the UK. In response
to advertised job openings, good but fake resumes were invented and
sent in, with the only difference that some had English-sounding names
and some had Muslim-sounding names. The response ratio was about 5:1.
I suspect this is another urban myth actually. A similar thing was *really*
done with different ages in fact.


Your assignment is to tell us

1. Which group had the lower response and

2. Why?

John
Assuming there's any truth in it, I'd expect the Muslim names to have a poorer
result. To give an explanation I'd suggest a tradition of 'less flexible
thinking' as a reason.


ps: I employ one Muslim engineer, four Hispanic employees, one native
American, four Asians, two lesbians, and zero Englishmen. I suppose
that makes me a racist.
Not by any definition I'd care for.

Graham
 
On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 14:43:41 GMT, <lucasea@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4520F44A.881C5E16@hotmail.com...


mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

In article <efqje7$8ss_003@s821.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>,
jmfbahciv@aol.com writes:
In article <45206C37.EA6475DA@hotmail.com>,
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

Western Europe wasn't interested in getting much involved in the
anshluss, because it wasn't the target of Nazi expansionism.

All of which has zilch to do with this.

Your comment is an example of why history has to repeat itself.

Yes, exactly.

There is no exactly about it.

It's just that the American fundamentalist Right has only scare tactics to
resort to and
nothing of substance whatever.


...and if one chooses to draw parallels between our actions in the Middle
East and 1933-1939 Germany, one parallel is the fact that Bush is using
similar scare tactics to retain power, take away peoples' rights, and kill a
segment of the world population, in much the same propagandistic way that
Hitler did. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Bush is the next
Hitler, just that there *are* parallels between their misanthropic behavior,
if hugely different in degree and consequence.

Eric Lucas
May your US government contract and support be terminated...

http://www.analog-innovations.com/SED/WhenInDoubt.jpg

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

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