Jihad needs scientists

[Eeyore]

lucasea@sbcglobal.net wrote:

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

The US is not demonizing Islam, at this point. It makes the
distinction between Islam and Islamic extremism.

I can assure you that many Americans don't understand the difference.

I think that's true, in much the same way that most non-USians don't
understand the difference between the US populace, and the self-annointed
few that have taken over the foreign policy of the country, and insist on
blaming the foolish behavior of our First Bufoon and his henchmen on
Americans as a whole.

Brave words Sir, since the Repubs would likely brand you a traitor for such
talk. My faith in traditional American values of decency was recently aided by
some videos I saw on YouTube of Keith Olberman.

One thing that doesn't help the average person understand the difference
between mainstream Islam and Islamic extremism is people like Meron saying
that mainstream Islam, as it is taught in the Koran, is all about killing
all non-Muslims.

All religions seem to have these issues. In Christianity we have the conflict
between the values of the Old and New Testaments for example. It's my
understanding that a similar situation arises in Islam between the early (
almost liberal ) and late ( reactionary ) teachings of Mohammed.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

John Larkin wrote:

On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 22:14:02 GMT, "Homer J Simpson" wrote:
"Gordon" <gordonlr@DELETEswbell.net> wrote

So you are saying they are NOT better Xtians than everyone else?

No, I'm saying that this war on terrorism started long before
President Bush and the present Republican administration was
involved in any way.

But it isn't a war. It is a problem for a police force that requires
international cooperation, something the US is notoriously unable or
unwilling to be involved in.

I don't understand those words, "international cooperation." Where
might that be found?

Not in the USA it seems.

Have you forgotten that 'foreign' intelligence agencies warned the USA of
a potential terrorist attack ?

Have you forgotten that the USA regularly denigrates the UN ?

International co-operation ! Hmmm.........

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 02:33:19 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

The US is not demonizing Islam, at this point. It makes the
distinction between Islam and Islamic extremism.

I can assure you that many Americans don't understand the difference.

How many is "many"? Seven? If "many" means "a significant fraction",
then you are, as usual, inventing anti-American "facts."

The majority who post on Usenet for sure !

It seems to me that the US War on Terror has simply created a new kind of
hostile racism or culture'ism of a sort.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

In article <45206C09.31550FBE@hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> writes:

It depends on our behaviour - actually mainly that of the USA. Recent US behaviour has made it all > that
much more attractive.

As I said, you're thinking way too small. And, too parochial. The
belief that other people are just reacting to what we do, not acting
on their own plans and ideas, is touching, but not anchored in
reality. It is a pleasant belief, no doubt, since it presents us with
the illusion of control, with the sense that ultimately all that's
happening depends only on what we do, thus we just have to find the
proper mode of behavior and everything will be great. A pleasant
illusion, but no more than this.

You need to do some reading. OBL for example.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

In article <45206C8B.5FBCA071@hotmail.com>, Eeyore writes:
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:
In article <45205B23.8190A32@hotmail.com>, Eeyore writes:
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

The Islamic terrorists aim at destruction of the western society

Where did you get that idea ?

From their own writings. Try to keep informed.

Idiot.

You mean they only migrate here becasue they want to destroy us ?

I said "Islamic terrorists". I didn't say "all Muslims". You still
fail to understand the difference.

Your assertion is still wrong.

There is no such thing as a coherent 'Islamic terrorist' movement, much as the USA would like to have you
believe it. Much Islamic terrorism isn't even targeted at the West.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

JoeBloe wrote:

On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 23:38:39 +0100, "T Wake"
usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> Gave us:

For thirty years the British were
terrorized by Irish Republicans, it was never called a "war.

Then why did they call themselves the Irish Republican Army (IRA)?
HHHhhhhmmmmmm?

The name dated from the earlier issue in the 20s and never went away.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

JoeBloe wrote:

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 02:33:19 +0100, Eeyore Gave us:
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

The US is not demonizing Islam, at this point. It makes the
distinction between Islam and Islamic extremism.

I can assure you that many Americans don't understand the difference.

You cannot assure any such thing, you presumptuous dope.

Yes I can.

Hech, some Americans can't even distinguish Sikhs from Muslims asa was
shown shortly after 9/11 whena Sikh guy was attacked and killed in the USA
for wearing unsuitable head gear !

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

JoeBloe wrote:

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 02:23:00 GMT, "Homer J Simpson" Gave us:
"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote

But it isn't a war. It is a problem for a police force that requires
international cooperation, something the US is notoriously unable or
unwilling to be involved in.

I don't understand those words, "international cooperation." Where
might that be found?

Outside of the USA.

The Unite States gives away billions of dollars a year in aid

The USA's aid donations are well below that of many other Western nations who
aren't even as rich !

Furthermore, it's often accompanied by silly 'conditions'.

The USA recently notably refused to co-operate in an internationally inspired
aid plan to bring safe drinking water to communities worlwide.

The USA should actually hang its head in shame.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

That's where we pretend we like the French ;-)

Sorry, Jim, but I'm not THAT good at playing pretend.

Don't worry. The French don't much like your kind of Americans either.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Homer J Simpson wrote:

the officers, who are all white, thought he was going for a gun

Racism is alive and well in the good 'ol USA.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

JoeBloe wrote:

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 04:01:20 GMT, "Homer J Simpson" Gave us:

Police shoot at unarmed man 41 times

An investigation has been launched into why four New York police officers
fired 41 shots at an unarmed man with no criminal record.

That's commonplace out here in San Diego. Not that I am in
agreement with any such behavior.

It has absolutely no parallel with Iraq though.

American troops hold the locals in disregard just the same way US cops feel
the same way about black foreigners.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

You may have noted that 9/11 was way before the invasion of Iraq.

Does Palestine ring any bells ?

The real demon is the State of Israel.

Graham

 

In article <4520C55D.7B2F988C@hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> writes:

mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

In article <45206C09.31550FBE@hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> writes:

It depends on our behaviour - actually mainly that of the USA. Recent US behaviour has made it all > that
much more attractive.

As I said, you're thinking way too small. And, too parochial. The
belief that other people are just reacting to what we do, not acting
on their own plans and ideas, is touching, but not anchored in
reality. It is a pleasant belief, no doubt, since it presents us with
the illusion of control, with the sense that ultimately all that's
happening depends only on what we do, thus we just have to find the
proper mode of behavior and everything will be great. A pleasant
illusion, but no more than this.

You need to do some reading. OBL for example.

I'm doing my reading. It is your reading that appears quite

superficial. Try following memri.org for a while, and that's just for
starters.

Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"

 

In article <4520C734.BF44F5D0@hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> writes:

mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

In article <45206C8B.5FBCA071@hotmail.com>, Eeyore writes:
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:
In article <45205B23.8190A32@hotmail.com>, Eeyore writes:
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

The Islamic terrorists aim at destruction of the western society

Where did you get that idea ?

From their own writings. Try to keep informed.

Idiot.

You mean they only migrate here becasue they want to destroy us ?

I said "Islamic terrorists". I didn't say "all Muslims". You still
fail to understand the difference.

Your assertion is still wrong.

Really.

There is no such thing as a coherent 'Islamic terrorist' movement, much as the USA would like to have you
believe it. Much Islamic terrorism isn't even targeted at the West.

There wasn't such thing as a coherent "Axis" in 1939-40. There were

three separate nations, pursuing separate goals, often in
non-coordinated fashion, at times even in a way which was detrimental
to the other Axis members goals. Mussolini's invasion of Greece was
not coordinated with Hitler, in fact Hitler wasn't informed at all,
and the fact that Germany had to bail Mussolini out over there put a
few weeks delay in the preparations for Barbarossa (few weeks which
turned quite crucial). Similarly (and on a bigger scale) neither
Germany nor Italy were informed of Japan's plans to hit Pearl Harbor
and move southward into the Pacific, a move which enabled the USSR, at
a critical moment, to transfer tens of first class divisions from
Eastern Siberia to the Moscow front and successfully repel the German
attack over there.

So, no, there was nothing like a unified "Axis command" in place.
What was there, was a common mindset, one which viewed the existing
world order as weak and ripe for being overturned, and which
sanctioned the use of all available means in order to achieve this
goal. That's all.

You should study some history. Your blip about Chamberlain was most
entertaining.

Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"

 

In article <4520CA69.C0BBA60B@hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> writes:

mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

You may have noted that 9/11 was way before the invasion of Iraq.

Does Palestine ring any bells ?

The real demon is the State of Israel.

You should note that Al Queda hardly ever mentioned Palestine before

9/11 either. Then, you can read the appropriate chapters in Shirer's
"Rise and fall..." and Churchill's "The Gathering Storm", to find what
the Western press wrote about Chechoslovakia during the Munich crisis
(yes, pretty much along the lines of "the real demon is Chechoslovakia").
And then, you may search and find writings of Muslim extremists
regarding of what their declared goals are.

Yes, I know, in order to assuage one's conscience it is always useful,
while gearing up to sacrifice somebody in order to try to save one's
skin, to convince oneself that the intended victim had, in fact, it
coming. Garbage is as garbage does.

Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"

 

[Eeyore]

mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

In article <4520C55D.7B2F988C@hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> writes:

You need to do some reading. OBL for example.

I'm doing my reading. It is your reading that appears quite
superficial. Try following memri.org for a while, and that's just for
starters.

I see they mention the Muslim Brotherhood. They're the ppl you really should be scared about. Not Islam
generally.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

In article <4520C734.BF44F5D0@hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> writes:

There is no such thing as a coherent 'Islamic terrorist' movement, much as the USA would like to have >you
believe it. Much Islamic terrorism isn't even targeted at the West.

There wasn't such thing as a coherent "Axis" in 1939-40. There were
three separate nations, pursuing separate goals, often in
non-coordinated fashion, at times even in a way which was detrimental
to the other Axis members goals.

Your fixation with the history of WW2 is idiotic.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

In article <4520CA69.C0BBA60B@hotmail.com>, Eeyore writes:
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

You may have noted that 9/11 was way before the invasion of Iraq.

Does Palestine ring any bells ?

The real demon is the State of Israel.

You should note that Al Queda hardly ever mentioned Palestine before
9/11 either.

Al Qaeda wasn't really known about prior to 9/11 so your point is moot.

The Palestinian issue was widely known to be one that caused anti-US feeling though. No surprises
really.

Graham

 

In article <4520D7D9.63B69D7E@hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> writes:

mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

In article <4520C55D.7B2F988C@hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> writes:

You need to do some reading. OBL for example.

I'm doing my reading. It is your reading that appears quite
superficial. Try following memri.org for a while, and that's just for
starters.

I see they mention the Muslim Brotherhood. They're the ppl you really should be scared about. Not Islam
generally.

I think I said quite specifically that I'm not talking about Islam in

general, just some movements within it. Your attempt to create
strawmen is noted and treated with the disdain it deserves. And, yes,
you should read a bit regarding the Muslim Brotherhood. You may learn
something.

Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"

 

In article <4520D844.DCF01BAD@hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> writes:

mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

In article <4520C734.BF44F5D0@hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> writes:

There is no such thing as a coherent 'Islamic terrorist' movement, much as the USA would like to have >you
believe it. Much Islamic terrorism isn't even targeted at the West.

There wasn't such thing as a coherent "Axis" in 1939-40. There were
three separate nations, pursuing separate goals, often in
non-coordinated fashion, at times even in a way which was detrimental
to the other Axis members goals.

Your fixation with the history of WW2 is idiotic.

I'll take this for a tacit admition that you've no better answer.

Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"