Jihad needs scientists

In article <4520D8A3.4083F074@hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> writes:

mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

In article <4520CA69.C0BBA60B@hotmail.com>, Eeyore writes:
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

You may have noted that 9/11 was way before the invasion of Iraq.

Does Palestine ring any bells ?

The real demon is the State of Israel.

You should note that Al Queda hardly ever mentioned Palestine before
9/11 either.

Al Qaeda wasn't really known about prior to 9/11 so your point is moot.

Al Queda was known for at least a decade before 9/11. "Not paid

attention to" is not the same thing as "not known". And Al Queda
itself is just an offshot of earlier movements.

Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"

 

[Eeyore]

mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> writes:
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> writes:

You need to do some reading. OBL for example.

I'm doing my reading. It is your reading that appears quite
superficial. Try following memri.org for a while, and that's just for
starters.

I see they mention the Muslim Brotherhood. They're the ppl you really should be scared about. Not
Islamgenerally.

I think I said quite specifically that I'm not talking about Islam in
general, just some movements within it.

There are several - no many - 'movements' and lumping tham all together as 'Islamic/Islamist terrorists' is
hugely misleading.

Your attempt to create
strawmen is noted and treated with the disdain it deserves. And, yes,
you should read a bit regarding the Muslim Brotherhood. You may learn
something.

I already have done you clot.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

In article <4520D844.DCF01BAD@hotmail.com>, Eeyore writes:
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> writes:

There is no such thing as a coherent 'Islamic terrorist' movement, much as the USA would like to >> >have
you believe it. Much Islamic terrorism isn't even targeted at the West.

There wasn't such thing as a coherent "Axis" in 1939-40. There were
three separate nations, pursuing separate goals, often in
non-coordinated fashion, at times even in a way which was detrimental
to the other Axis members goals.

Your fixation with the history of WW2 is idiotic.

I'll take this for a tacit admition that you've no better answer.

The history of WW2 has nothing useful to offer in the current context. In fact it's wholly misleading to use it as
any kind of template.

Graham

 

In article <4520DB20.DDF6A811@hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> writes:

mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> writes:
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> writes:

You need to do some reading. OBL for example.

I'm doing my reading. It is your reading that appears quite
superficial. Try following memri.org for a while, and that's just for
starters.

I see they mention the Muslim Brotherhood. They're the ppl you really should be scared about. Not
Islamgenerally.

I think I said quite specifically that I'm not talking about Islam in
general, just some movements within it.

There are several - no many - 'movements' and lumping tham all together as 'Islamic/Islamist terrorists' is
hugely misleading.

I already answered this. You're repeating yourself.

Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"

 

[Eeyore]

mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> writes:
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:
In article <4520CA69.C0BBA60B@hotmail.com>, Eeyore writes:
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

You may have noted that 9/11 was way before the invasion of Iraq.

Does Palestine ring any bells ?

The real demon is the State of Israel.

You should note that Al Queda hardly ever mentioned Palestine before
9/11 either.

Al Qaeda wasn't really known about prior to 9/11 so your point is moot.

Al Queda was known for at least a decade before 9/11. "Not paid
attention to" is not the same thing as "not known". And Al Queda
itself is just an offshot of earlier movements.

The first militant attack that al-Qaeda allegedly carried out consisted of three bombings at hotels
where American troops were staying in Aden, Yemen, on December 29, 1992

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Qaeda

 

In article <4520DB95.FA98E674@hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> writes:

mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

In article <4520D844.DCF01BAD@hotmail.com>, Eeyore writes:
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> writes:

There is no such thing as a coherent 'Islamic terrorist' movement, much as the USA would like to >> >have
you believe it. Much Islamic terrorism isn't even targeted at the West.

There wasn't such thing as a coherent "Axis" in 1939-40. There were
three separate nations, pursuing separate goals, often in
non-coordinated fashion, at times even in a way which was detrimental
to the other Axis members goals.

Your fixation with the history of WW2 is idiotic.

I'll take this for a tacit admition that you've no better answer.

The history of WW2 has nothing useful to offer in the current context. In fact it's wholly misleading to use it as
any kind of template.

Aha. And this is based on, well, on your say so. Well, since I

already determined to my satisfaction what you're, don't expect me to
put to much of a weight on you opinions.

Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"

 

In article <4520DC11.4DCDE958@hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> writes:

mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> writes:
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:
In article <4520CA69.C0BBA60B@hotmail.com>, Eeyore writes:
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

You may have noted that 9/11 was way before the invasion of Iraq.

Does Palestine ring any bells ?

The real demon is the State of Israel.

You should note that Al Queda hardly ever mentioned Palestine before
9/11 either.

Al Qaeda wasn't really known about prior to 9/11 so your point is moot.

Al Queda was known for at least a decade before 9/11. "Not paid
attention to" is not the same thing as "not known". And Al Queda
itself is just an offshot of earlier movements.

The first militant attack that al-Qaeda allegedly carried out consisted of three bombings at hotels
where American troops were staying in Aden, Yemen, on December 29, 1992

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Qaeda

Aha. Note the date in comparison to 9/11

Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"

 

In article <45206C37.EA6475DA@hotmail.com>,
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

Western Europe wasn't interested in getting much involved in the
anshluss, because it wasn't the target of Nazi expansionism.

All of which has zilch to do with this.

Your comment is an example of why history has to repeat itself.

/BAH

 

In article <efqje7$8ss_003@s821.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, jmfbahciv@aol.com writes:

In article <45206C37.EA6475DA@hotmail.com>,
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:


mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

Western Europe wasn't interested in getting much involved in the
anshluss, because it wasn't the target of Nazi expansionism.

All of which has zilch to do with this.

Your comment is an example of why history has to repeat itself.

Yes, exactly.

Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"

 

[Eeyore]

mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> writes:
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> writes:
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> writes:

You need to do some reading. OBL for example.

I'm doing my reading. It is your reading that appears quite
superficial. Try following memri.org for a while, and that's just for
starters.

I see they mention the Muslim Brotherhood. They're the ppl you really should be scared about. >> > NotIslam
generally.

I think I said quite specifically that I'm not talking about Islam in
general, just some movements within it.

There are several - no many - 'movements' and lumping tham all together as 'Islamic/Islamist > terrorists' is
hugely misleading.

I already answered this.

Not with any great clarity.

You're repeating yourself.

So ?

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> writes:
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:
In article <4520D844.DCF01BAD@hotmail.com>, Eeyore writes:
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> writes:

There is no such thing as a coherent 'Islamic terrorist' movement, much as the USA would like to >> >have
you believe it. Much Islamic terrorism isn't even targeted at the West.

There wasn't such thing as a coherent "Axis" in 1939-40. There were
three separate nations, pursuing separate goals, often in
non-coordinated fashion, at times even in a way which was detrimental
to the other Axis members goals.

Your fixation with the history of WW2 is idiotic.

I'll take this for a tacit admition that you've no better answer.

The history of WW2 has nothing useful to offer in the current context. In fact it's wholly misleading to > use it as
any kind of template.

Aha. And this is based on, well, on your say so. Well, since I
already determined to my satisfaction what you're, don't expect me to
put to much of a weight on you opinions.

You seriously can't see the differences ?

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> writes:
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> writes:
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:
In article <4520CA69.C0BBA60B@hotmail.com>, Eeyore writes:
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

You may have noted that 9/11 was way before the invasion of Iraq.

Does Palestine ring any bells ?

The real demon is the State of Israel.

You should note that Al Queda hardly ever mentioned Palestine before
9/11 either.

Al Qaeda wasn't really known about prior to 9/11 so your point is moot.

Al Queda was known for at least a decade before 9/11. "Not paid
attention to" is not the same thing as "not known". And Al Queda
itself is just an offshot of earlier movements.

The first militant attack that al-Qaeda allegedly carried out consisted of three bombings at hotels
where American troops were staying in Aden, Yemen, on December 29, 1992

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Qaeda

Aha. Note the date in comparison to 9/11

*LESS* than a decade.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

In article <efqje7$8ss_003@s821.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, jmfbahciv@aol.com writes:
In article <45206C37.EA6475DA@hotmail.com>,
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

Western Europe wasn't interested in getting much involved in the
anshluss, because it wasn't the target of Nazi expansionism.

All of which has zilch to do with this.

Your comment is an example of why history has to repeat itself.

Yes, exactly.

There is no exactly about it.

It's just that the American fundamentalist Right has only scare tactics to resort to and
nothing of substance whatever.

Graham

 

[Frithiof Andreas Jensen]

"Homer J Simpson" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:7_UTg.6718$N4.2442@clgrps12...

"JoeBloe" <joebloe@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
news:enivh2llnec7iri7t0nd80qesmg32ca01o@4ax.com...

You idiots are representative of NOTHING except killing of civilians
in the most cowardly way there is. You don't even have the spine to
confront your enemies like real men.

"... confront your enemies like real men"

Bombing them with cruise missiles you mean????

Why not - a garage cruise missile would be a decent enough project. Make MAD
more democratic ;-)

 

[Frithiof Andreas Jensen]

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:45205A9F.698166CE@hotmail.com...

Gordon wrote:

On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 22:14:02 GMT, "Homer J Simpson" wrote:
"Gordon" <gordonlr@DELETEswbell.net> wrote

No, I'm saying that this war on terrorism started long before
President Bush and the present Republican administration was
involved in any way.

But it isn't a war. It is a problem for a police force that requires
international cooperation, something the US is notoriously unable or
unwilling to be involved in.

Homer, I don't agree with you, but you are certainly entitled to
your opinion. A police force of international cooperation just
doesn't seem available. The main reason this won't work is that
Europe needs Mid-East petroleum and the Mid-East needs European
manufactured goods. For the most part, Europe just isn't going to
get involved to the extent that would jeopardize their petroleum
supply.

Europe's not interested in getting much more involved largely because
Europe wasn't the target of the 9/11 terrorists. Most of Europe is
frankly sick of the USA to the proverbial back teeth.

Europe is stalling because the elite in power, i.e. those that profit from the
present flow of goods, capital, nice UN posts and exploitable labour first and
foremost do not like the consequences of having an opinion as in 1979. The
european population in contrast sees the middle east go rapidly to a hell of
it's own design and wishes them good speed on the way less they be dragged down
with it.

Then the 'leete do not want to rock that fine craft that is the Barcelona
Agreement (which tries to set in stone the afforementioned flows so the elite
can extract yet more money and influence from them):

http://ec.europa.eu/comm/external_relations/med_mideast/intro/index.htm

Basically, *we*, the workers, are supposed to deliver tax money, investment,
technology and development in return for errrr.... what exactly?? Little of real
value seem to be on offer in return! And I frown upon the redefinition of
"dialogue" which seems to mean that some bearded lunatics rant, burn flags, kill
each other and we shut up.

It is very sad that people like Pim Fortuyn, Joerg Haider, Vlaamses Blook (sp?)
and "Dansk Folkeparti" are the only one to go to if one happen to question the
sense in european policies on immigration and the middle east!

The terrorists would have taken those Mid-East petroleum
sources out before now had this not been the case.

They don't yet have the ability to do that. The longer that the USA
continues demonising Islam the sooner they *will* have that ability
though.

Nah - It is Islam that does such a perfectly fine job of demonising itself!

..... Had the US tried to "demonize" they would just have made a mess of that
too.

The thing that I do not understand at all is what the Muslim
terrorists' goal was/is. They surely didn't think we would
knuckle under and surrender to them without a fight. So, it seems
they really did want us to engage them in an all-out war
situation. Why? It took them 22 years to get a full scale war
going with us, full bore, but what is their ultimate goal?

It's not a full-scale war. It's still capable of tying up the US and UK
military very effectively though.

Graham

In war, you either fight it or you don't. In the case of Iraq and Afghanistan

we will be killing people until we rot and not achieve anything other than
lasting hatred because we are not willing to either commit 100% and break the
people as in WW2 or simply accept defeat and withdraw. The other way, the cold
war, is pre-emted by oil addiction.

 

[JoeBloe]

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 09:08:21 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> Gave us:

JoeBloe wrote:

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 02:23:00 GMT, "Homer J Simpson" Gave us:
"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote

But it isn't a war. It is a problem for a police force that requires
international cooperation, something the US is notoriously unable or
unwilling to be involved in.

I don't understand those words, "international cooperation." Where
might that be found?

Outside of the USA.

The Unite States gives away billions of dollars a year in aid

The USA's aid donations are well below that of many other Western nations who
aren't even as rich !

Furthermore, it's often accompanied by silly 'conditions'.

The USA recently notably refused to co-operate in an internationally inspired
aid plan to bring safe drinking water to communities worlwide.

The USA should actually hang its head in shame.

Graham

Why anyone reads any of this idiot's troll trash is beyond me.

Hey donkey boy... Fuck off, liar.

 

[JoeBloe]

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 09:14:33 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> Gave us:

mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

You may have noted that 9/11 was way before the invasion of Iraq.

Does Palestine ring any bells ?

The real demon is the State of Israel.

Graham

The real demon is the law that keeps people like me from shooting
fucking idiots like you.

 

[JoeBloe]

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 09:24:57 GMT, mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu Gave us:

In article <4520D8A3.4083F074@hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> writes:


mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

In article <4520CA69.C0BBA60B@hotmail.com>, Eeyore writes:
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

You may have noted that 9/11 was way before the invasion of Iraq.

Does Palestine ring any bells ?

The real demon is the State of Israel.

You should note that Al Queda hardly ever mentioned Palestine before
9/11 either.

Al Qaeda wasn't really known about prior to 9/11 so your point is moot.

Al Queda was known for at least a decade before 9/11. "Not paid
attention to" is not the same thing as "not known". And Al Queda
itself is just an offshot of earlier movements.

Why even converse with that stupid idiot?

 

[Eeyore]

JoeBloe wrote:

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 09:08:21 +0100, Eeyore Gave us:
JoeBloe wrote:
On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 02:23:00 GMT, "Homer J Simpson" Gave us:
"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote

But it isn't a war. It is a problem for a police force that requires
international cooperation, something the US is notoriously unable or
unwilling to be involved in.

I don't understand those words, "international cooperation." Where
might that be found?

Outside of the USA.

The Unite States gives away billions of dollars a year in aid

The USA's aid donations are well below that of many other Western nations who
aren't even as rich !

Furthermore, it's often accompanied by silly 'conditions'.

The USA recently notably refused to co-operate in an internationally inspired
aid plan to bring safe drinking water to communities worlwide.

The USA should actually hang its head in shame.

Graham

Why anyone reads any of this idiot's troll trash is beyond me.

Hey donkey boy... Fuck off, liar.

The truth hurts doesn't it ?

US aid is frequently accompanied by compulsory 'trade concessions' that favour the
USA.

It also only gets a ranking of 7th in the overall 'league table' of international
aid donors despite having the world's highest GDP. Your Northern neighbour Canada
gets 6th btw.

The little old UK ranks 3 places above in 4th place

Top spot goes to *Denmark* !

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=2540

" In the United States, popular estimates of spending on aid are often highly
inflated. Surveys show that people typically think 15-20% of the federal budget is
spent on aid[1]; the real number is closer to 1%[2]. In absolute terms, the
$15-20bn of aid compares with $50bn spent annually on the war on drugs and $500bn
spent on the military...........

Reviewing Latin American Aid, Martha Huggins suggested in 1998 that “the more
foreign police aid given [by the US], the more brutal and less democratic the
police institutions and their governments become.

The United States is the world's largest contributor of ODA in absolute terms
($15.7 billion, 2003), but the *SMALLEST* among developed countries as a
percentage of its GDP (0.14% in 2003). The UN target for development aid is 0.7%
of GDP; currently only five countries (with Norway in the lead with 0.92%) achieve
this." ( my emphasis )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aid


Graham

 

[Eeyore]

JoeBloe wrote:

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 09:14:33 +0100, Eeyore Gave us:
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

You may have noted that 9/11 was way before the invasion of Iraq.

Does Palestine ring any bells ?

The real demon is the State of Israel.

Graham

The real demon is the law that keeps people like me from shooting
fucking idiots like you.

I wondered how long it would be before your American love of guns as a
'solution' to anything would surface.

You're a brain dead gun-loving fuckwit. I hope Al Qaeda get you ! You
deserve each other.

Graham