Internet, now 20 years in Australia

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Davo wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Davo wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Ignorance means that you don't know something, not that you aren't
capable of learning it.
Ignorant means you do know something but ignore it. Have a look at the
word, it's obvious.

Stupid means that you can't learn it.


Maybe it does, but it can also mean you can learn it, but choose not to
take on the knowledge. For example when someone makes a stupid mistake
it usually refers to something they were doing where they knew the
outcome, but persisted with the action anyway.

Ok. Beileive whatever turns your rusty crank.


Yayy
I won!


No, but you're too stupid to know the difference.
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Insults are an indicator of a bad loser.
 
Davo wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Davo wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Davo wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Ignorance means that you don't know something, not that you aren't
capable of learning it.
Ignorant means you do know something but ignore it. Have a look at the
word, it's obvious.

Stupid means that you can't learn it.


Maybe it does, but it can also mean you can learn it, but choose not to
take on the knowledge. For example when someone makes a stupid mistake
it usually refers to something they were doing where they knew the
outcome, but persisted with the action anyway.

Ok. Beileive whatever turns your rusty crank.


Yayy
I won!


No, but you're too stupid to know the difference.



Insults are an indicator of a bad loser.
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Then try to insult me.




--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense!
 
Mr.T wrote:
"Davo" <Dave@gmail.com> wrote in message
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It may only be eye candy but HTML is what made the internet useful and
easy to use. The internet would still only be known to nerdy geeks if
HTML didn't exist.

Ironic considering *you* are posting on a part of the internet that existed
long before the advent of the HTML based WWW. :)
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Indeed. I was an avid BBS user from the early 80's, & the first I heard
of Usenet was when newsgroups were gatewayed into BBS Echo groups (via
UUCP, IIRC) - long before public Internet access arrived in '95.

--
W
. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
---^----^---------------------------------------------------------------
 
Don McKenzie wrote:
Internet, now 20 years in Australia
http://www.rogerclarke.com/II/Anniv.html

Cheers Don...
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I was working for Telstra when it was first launched.
Back then it was called the Information Super highway.
 
Bob Larter wrote:
Mr.T wrote:
"Davo" <Dave@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4a4d78b4$1_5@news.peopletelecom.com.au...
It may only be eye candy but HTML is what made the internet useful and
easy to use. The internet would still only be known to nerdy geeks if
HTML didn't exist.

Ironic considering *you* are posting on a part of the internet that
existed
long before the advent of the HTML based WWW. :)

Indeed. I was an avid BBS user from the early 80's, & the first I heard
of Usenet was when newsgroups were gatewayed into BBS Echo groups (via
UUCP, IIRC) - long before public Internet access arrived in '95.
Click to expand...
Like I said above about nerdy geeks.
 
"Davo" <Dave@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4a54c615_4@news.peopletelecom.com.au...
It may only be eye candy but HTML is what made the internet useful and
easy to use. The internet would still only be known to nerdy geeks if
HTML didn't exist.

Ironic considering *you* are posting on a part of the internet that
existed
long before the advent of the HTML based WWW. :)

Indeed. I was an avid BBS user from the early 80's, & the first I heard
of Usenet was when newsgroups were gatewayed into BBS Echo groups (via
UUCP, IIRC) - long before public Internet access arrived in '95.

Like I said above about nerdy geeks.
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You too can apply for a spot on "Beauty and the Geek" then, but I wouldn't
expect too much with that attitude :)

MrT.
 
Davo wrote:
Bob Larter wrote:
Mr.T wrote:
"Davo" <Dave@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4a4d78b4$1_5@news.peopletelecom.com.au...
It may only be eye candy but HTML is what made the internet useful and
easy to use. The internet would still only be known to nerdy geeks if
HTML didn't exist.

Ironic considering *you* are posting on a part of the internet that
existed
long before the advent of the HTML based WWW. :)

Indeed. I was an avid BBS user from the early 80's, & the first I
heard of Usenet was when newsgroups were gatewayed into BBS Echo
groups (via UUCP, IIRC) - long before public Internet access arrived
in '95.


Like I said above about nerdy geeks.
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Mate, I'm crushed. ;^)

--
W
. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
---^----^---------------------------------------------------------------
 
Bob Larter wrote:
Davo wrote:
Bob Larter wrote:
Mr.T wrote:
"Davo" <Dave@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4a4d78b4$1_5@news.peopletelecom.com.au...
It may only be eye candy but HTML is what made the internet useful and
easy to use. The internet would still only be known to nerdy geeks if
HTML didn't exist.

Ironic considering *you* are posting on a part of the internet that
existed
long before the advent of the HTML based WWW. :)

Indeed. I was an avid BBS user from the early 80's, & the first I
heard of Usenet was when newsgroups were gatewayed into BBS Echo
groups (via UUCP, IIRC) - long before public Internet access arrived
in '95.


Like I said above about nerdy geeks.

Mate, I'm crushed. ;^)
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Yeah I have to admit I wasn't sure if that was an insult or a compliment.
 
Davo wrote:
Bob Larter wrote:
Davo wrote:
Bob Larter wrote:
Mr.T wrote:
"Davo" <Dave@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4a4d78b4$1_5@news.peopletelecom.com.au...
It may only be eye candy but HTML is what made the internet useful
and
easy to use. The internet would still only be known to nerdy geeks if
HTML didn't exist.

Ironic considering *you* are posting on a part of the internet that
existed
long before the advent of the HTML based WWW. :)

Indeed. I was an avid BBS user from the early 80's, & the first I
heard of Usenet was when newsgroups were gatewayed into BBS Echo
groups (via UUCP, IIRC) - long before public Internet access arrived
in '95.


Like I said above about nerdy geeks.

Mate, I'm crushed. ;^)


Yeah I have to admit I wasn't sure if that was an insult or a compliment.
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<grin> There are lots of us who'd be perfectly happy for Usenet access
to go back to being "nerdy geeks" only.

--
W
. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
---^----^---------------------------------------------------------------
 
On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 17:06:36 -0700 (PDT), basil <noflynn@gmail.com> wrote:

On Jul 1, 8:40 am, Don McKenzie <5...@2.5A> wrote:
Internet, now 20 years in Australiahttp://www.rogerclarke.com/II/Anniv.html

Cheers Don...

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Hello, I bought a Commodore 64 in 1984. The internet was rudimentary
until the Sydney Morning Herald opened up the topic. Email was
possible tho I think it was just messaging copied from the English
Prestel. I was friendly with a group of techies from Telecom. The
internet came for me with the Amiga. We had an early way to get to the
internet but as there was no server on NSW Central Coast for a while
we had to download what we wanted and looked at it later. Remember the
user groups? Dick Smith was the first I saw of shopping.

nof
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Wow, you're bringing back some memories there!! I got my C64 around 83/84
and a mate and myself, along with the C64 Programmers Reference Guide
managed to adapt his home brew 300baud modem to it.. My first ever dial up
was to Chisolm Institute (long before it became Monash Uni) using my
friends account, it was a revelation. From there I found a couple of
melbourne bulletin board systems with like minded individuals and from then
on I was hooked on digital communications, local and long, especially long
distance ( some people here may know what i'm talking about) :)
I remember bulletin board names like... Ultimate 64, Sunshine RBBS and
Melbourne Tardis RCPM, heh, i feel so old :)

mike
 
On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:17:04 +0000 (UTC), Chris McDonald
<chris@csse.uwa.edu.au> wrote:

Davo <Dave@gmail.com> writes:

basil wrote:
On Jul 1, 8:40 am, Don McKenzie <5...@2.5A> wrote:
Internet, now 20 years in Australiahttp://www.rogerclarke.com/II/Anniv.html

Cheers Don...

I was on Packet radio long before the internet.
Real internet didn't start until HTML code came along.


I, too, was wondering about this definition of the Internet in Australia.
(Like many) I was using UUCP-based email, TCP/connection-based FTP,
and cross-Pacific telnet, well before 1989, so I wonder if the arrival
of HTTP/HTML is really just a simplifying generalization.
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I agree, the statement that "Real internet didn't start until HTML code
came along." is wrong. Long before HTTP/HTML many of us were quite happy
logging in to our unix shell accounts to regularly exchange files and data
via ftp, remotely login to computers in other continents using telnet and
send/receive emails using unix mail. And long before IM clients we were
messenging each other using the talk/write commands.

As a teenager of the 80s who grew up with modems and digital communications
and the exploration culture that it brought with it, HTML/HTTP were just
another evolution of something we had been using and watching grow for some
time.

So, Davo, while for you the "real internet" didn't start until HTML came
along for some of us it started much much earlier!!

Mike
 
On Fri, 03 Jul 2009 11:19:14 +0800, Davo <Dave@gmail.com> wrote:

terryc wrote:
On Fri, 03 Jul 2009 00:48:26 +0000, Chris McDonald wrote:


As IP can be transmitted via morse code, I wouldn't discount it.
However, I certainly wouldn't claim it *was* the internet any time
before the appearance of IP.

Second on the core Internet being tcp/ip technology. There were other
networks, but it is the inter-connectability that made the Internet work.

HTML is just a eye-candy delivery method.

AFAIK, most other networks were structured around a hierachy. In The
Internet, so long as machine has an IP address, it can talk to any other
IP address.






It may only be eye candy but HTML is what made the internet useful and
easy to use. The internet would still only be known to nerdy geeks if
HTML didn't exist. Packet radio was one of many networking systems, IP
addressing wasn't the first. I was communicating with people on the MIR
space station before the IP internet came to town.
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That's not true. Prior to HTML the internet was extreemly useful to those
in research and development, military, educational institutions and other
technical areas. And although you might not think it was easy to use none
of us had trouble grasping the concepts required.

HTML certainly allowed the average person easier access to information, a
bonus when the internet was commercialised , and it is a great way to order
and structure documents, however it is not the be all and end all of the
internet.

mike
 
"Mike Paull" <mikey351@removethis.gmail.com> wrote in message
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My first ever dial up
was to Chisolm Institute (long before it became Monash Uni)
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Long before it became "Chisholm Institute" then.
It was "Caulfield Institute of Technology" back then.

MrT.
 
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:27:37 +1000, "Mr.T" <MrT@home> wrote:

"Mike Paull" <mikey351@removethis.gmail.com> wrote in message
news:iolt659kqu8gdeh2q7ia0pseno9qt28jmh@4ax.com...
My first ever dial up
was to Chisolm Institute (long before it became Monash Uni)

Long before it became "Chisholm Institute" then.
It was "Caulfield Institute of Technology" back then.

MrT.
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Thanks for the correction.. My memory isn't what it used to be, getting old
I guess :)

mike
 
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