Internet, now 20 years in Australia

"Mr.T" <MrT@home> writes:

"Chris McDonald" <chris@csse.uwa.edu.au> wrote in message

I, too, was wondering about this definition of the Internet in Australia.
(Like many) I was using UUCP-based email, TCP/connection-based FTP,
and cross-Pacific telnet, well before 1989, so I wonder if the arrival
of HTTP/HTML is really just a simplifying generalization.

No, it's just plain wrong.
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*What* is just plain wrong?

- I was doing what I stated well before 1989.
- I wonder if many people just consider "the internet" to mean the period
after the arrival of HTTP/HTML.

Which of those statements is wrong, and why?

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Chris.
 
"Mr.T" <MrT@home> writes:


"Chris McDonald" <chris@csse.uwa.edu.au> wrote in message
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Davo <Dave@gmail.com> writes:

Well otherwise you could say that morse code was a form of internet, or
even lighting signal fires on top of hills, I mean really, you need a
better definition of internet.

As IP can be transmitted via morse code, I wouldn't discount it.
However, I certainly wouldn't claim it *was* the internet any time before
the
appearance of IP.

Yep, but of course was far more than 20 years ago.
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You do know how to follow a conversation, don't you?

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Chris.
 
"Chris McDonald" <chris@csse.uwa.edu.au> wrote in message
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I, too, was wondering about this definition of the Internet in
Australia.
(Like many) I was using UUCP-based email, TCP/connection-based FTP,
and cross-Pacific telnet, well before 1989, so I wonder if the arrival
of HTTP/HTML is really just a simplifying generalization.

No, it's just plain wrong.

*What* is just plain wrong?
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That the internet started in 1989 (rather than just the part we currently
call the Web)

- I was doing what I stated well before 1989.
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Me too.

- I wonder if many people just consider "the internet" to mean the period
after the arrival of HTTP/HTML.
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Which is wrong, that's my point. And I'm sure the internet and the web will
go on long after HTTP/HTML has passed into history too.

MrT.
 
"Chris McDonald" <chris@csse.uwa.edu.au> wrote in message
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Well otherwise you could say that morse code was a form of internet,
or
even lighting signal fires on top of hills, I mean really, you need a
better definition of internet.

As IP can be transmitted via morse code, I wouldn't discount it.
However, I certainly wouldn't claim it *was* the internet any time
before
the
appearance of IP.

Yep, but of course was far more than 20 years ago.

You do know how to follow a conversation, don't you?
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Better than you it seems.

MrT.
 
Chris McDonald <chris@csse.uwa.edu.au> writes:

Davo <Dave@gmail.com> writes:

basil wrote:
On Jul 1, 8:40 am, Don McKenzie <5...@2.5A> wrote:
Internet, now 20 years in Australiahttp://www.rogerclarke.com/II/Anniv.html

Cheers Don...

I was on Packet radio long before the internet.
Real internet didn't start until HTML code came along.
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I, too, was wondering about this definition of the Internet in Australia.
(Like many) I was using UUCP-based email, TCP/connection-based FTP,
and cross-Pacific telnet, well before 1989, so I wonder if the arrival
of HTTP/HTML is really just a simplifying generalization.

--
Chris.
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My recollection is 1984, when I was working at La Trobe, and Computer Science got
a Pyramid. We had email and Usenet News, and comp.sources.unix was full of source
code for cute toys, all of it public domain. And Robert Elz, Don Knuth and
Dennis Ritchie would occasionally post.

Atom Egoyan
Melbourne, Australia
 
Atom Egoyan wrote:
And Robert Elz, Don Knuth and Dennis Ritchie would occasionally post.
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In 1980, I used to pick Robert Elz' listings of the "new" TTY driver
out of the trash can and read them, complete with his circles around
where function parameters were reversed, etc. Ahh the days when C had
no parameter type-checking. Poring over fan-form listings on 15" wide
paper was what he used to do while working late and watching the test
cricket.

Clifford Heath.
 
"Mr.T" <MrT@home> writes:

"Chris McDonald" <chris@csse.uwa.edu.au> wrote in message

- I wonder if many people just consider "the internet" to mean the period
after the arrival of HTTP/HTML.

Which is wrong, that's my point. And I'm sure the internet and the web will
go on long after HTTP/HTML has passed into history too.
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No, please try to follow the conversation.

Are you really claiming it is wrong that "...many people just consider...." ?
I doubt it.

My point is that this is what most people presume.

--
Chris.
 
"Chris McDonald" <chris@csse.uwa.edu.au> wrote in message
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Better than you it seems.

Or not, in your case.
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Despite your snipping attempt, I'm still doing better than you though.

MrT.
 
"Chris McDonald" <chris@csse.uwa.edu.au> wrote in message
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- I wonder if many people just consider "the internet" to mean the
period
after the arrival of HTTP/HTML.

Which is wrong, that's my point. And I'm sure the internet and the web
will
go on long after HTTP/HTML has passed into history too.

No, please try to follow the conversation.
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Your stupid crap, or what was originally written?

Are you really claiming it is wrong that "...many people just
consider...." ?
I doubt it.
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Please read what was written, not what you pretend is written just so you
can make stupid remarks.

My point is that this is what most people presume.
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Maybe you do, but don't pretend to speak for everyone else.

MrT.
 
Mr.T wrote:
"keithr" <keith@nowhere.com.au> wrote in message
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That is true of the "Popular" internet which started with the first
browsers, the "Real" internet even the WWW had been going long before
that.

Whilst the internet, email, ftp, Archie, veronica, Usenet, etc. etc were all
going long before HTML, I think WWW was a term introduced with the advent of
the "Web" as opposed to text based internet. i.e. HTML and subsequently the
Mosaic viewer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Wide_Web

MrT.


The WWW or I suppose more specifically hyper linking and URLs pre-dated
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Mosaic, I used both with a character based comms program called Telix
before Mosaic became available (at $5 per hour dialup)
 
Chris McDonald wrote:
"Mr.T" <MrT@home> writes:

"Chris McDonald" <chris@csse.uwa.edu.au> wrote in message

- I wonder if many people just consider "the internet" to mean the period
after the arrival of HTTP/HTML.

Which is wrong, that's my point. And I'm sure the internet and the web will
go on long after HTTP/HTML has passed into history too.

No, please try to follow the conversation.

Are you really claiming it is wrong that "...many people just consider...." ?
I doubt it.

My point is that this is what most people presume.
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Most people are ignorant of anything more complex than a light
switch.


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You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense!
 
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Chris McDonald wrote:
"Mr.T" <MrT@home> writes:

"Chris McDonald" <chris@csse.uwa.edu.au> wrote in message
- I wonder if many people just consider "the internet" to mean the period
after the arrival of HTTP/HTML.
Which is wrong, that's my point. And I'm sure the internet and the web will
go on long after HTTP/HTML has passed into history too.
No, please try to follow the conversation.

Are you really claiming it is wrong that "...many people just consider...." ?
I doubt it.

My point is that this is what most people presume.


Most people are ignorant of anything more complex than a light
switch.
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It's not that they're ignorant it's just that they don't know, which
isn't the same thing.
You have to remember that by definition half of the population have a
below average IQ. The indicator of true intelligence is the ability to
deal with problems, which includes dealing with people that aren't as
bright as we'd like them to be. Einstein was a great example of this,
which is why he is remembered for his humility and humour as much as his
cleverness.
 
Davo wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Chris McDonald wrote:
"Mr.T" <MrT@home> writes:

"Chris McDonald" <chris@csse.uwa.edu.au> wrote in message
- I wonder if many people just consider "the internet" to mean the period
after the arrival of HTTP/HTML.
Which is wrong, that's my point. And I'm sure the internet and the web will
go on long after HTTP/HTML has passed into history too.
No, please try to follow the conversation.

Are you really claiming it is wrong that "...many people just consider...." ?
I doubt it.

My point is that this is what most people presume.


Most people are ignorant of anything more complex than a light
switch.



It's not that they're ignorant it's just that they don't know, which
isn't the same thing.
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Ignorance means that you don't know something, not that you aren't
capable of learning it.

Stupid means that you can't learn it.


You have to remember that by definition half of the population have a
below average IQ. The indicator of true intelligence is the ability to
deal with problems, which includes dealing with people that aren't as
bright as we'd like them to be. Einstein was a great example of this,
which is why he is remembered for his humility and humour as much as his
cleverness.
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You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense!
 
Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Ignorance means that you don't know something, not that you aren't
capable of learning it.
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Ignorant means you do know something but ignore it. Have a look at the
word, it's obvious.

Stupid means that you can't learn it.
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Maybe it does, but it can also mean you can learn it, but choose not to
take on the knowledge. For example when someone makes a stupid mistake
it usually refers to something they were doing where they knew the
outcome, but persisted with the action anyway.
 
Davo wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Ignorance means that you don't know something, not that you aren't
capable of learning it.

Ignorant means you do know something but ignore it. Have a look at the
word, it's obvious.


Stupid means that you can't learn it.



Maybe it does, but it can also mean you can learn it, but choose not to
take on the knowledge. For example when someone makes a stupid mistake
it usually refers to something they were doing where they knew the
outcome, but persisted with the action anyway.
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Ok. Beileive whatever turns your rusty crank.


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense!
 
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Davo wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Ignorance means that you don't know something, not that you aren't
capable of learning it.
Ignorant means you do know something but ignore it. Have a look at the
word, it's obvious.

Stupid means that you can't learn it.


Maybe it does, but it can also mean you can learn it, but choose not to
take on the knowledge. For example when someone makes a stupid mistake
it usually refers to something they were doing where they knew the
outcome, but persisted with the action anyway.


Ok. Beileive whatever turns your rusty crank.
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Yayy
I won!
 
"keithr" <keith@nowhere.com.au> wrote in message
news:4a4e0c4f$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
Whilst the internet, email, ftp, Archie, veronica, Usenet, etc. etc were
all
going long before HTML, I think WWW was a term introduced with the
advent of
the "Web" as opposed to text based internet. i.e. HTML and subsequently
the
Mosaic viewer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Wide_Web

The WWW or I suppose more specifically hyper linking and URLs pre-dated
Mosaic,
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Yep, that's what "subsequently" usually implies.

MrT.
 
Davo wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Davo wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Ignorance means that you don't know something, not that you aren't
capable of learning it.
Ignorant means you do know something but ignore it. Have a look at the
word, it's obvious.

Stupid means that you can't learn it.


Maybe it does, but it can also mean you can learn it, but choose not to
take on the knowledge. For example when someone makes a stupid mistake
it usually refers to something they were doing where they knew the
outcome, but persisted with the action anyway.


Ok. Beileive whatever turns your rusty crank.



Yayy
I won!
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No, but you're too stupid to know the difference.


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You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense!
 
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