Interesting on Tesla sudden accelerations......

[Ricky]

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 7:41:38 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:

On 7/21/2023 1:51 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-07-21 00:48, Don Y wrote:
On 7/20/2023 1:52 PM, Don Y wrote:
On 7/20/2023 1:38 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
I wonder how much current needs the power steering? I mean for my gasoline
car, not a tesla.

Perhaps look for the fuse controling that circuit?

Mine is a 70A circuit.

It is quite some power.
*IT* is turning the wheel on your behalf (along side you).
Think of how hard it can be to turn the wheel \"unassisted\".

I\'ve had cars with no power steering and it\'s no big deal when moving at any driving speed. It\'s turning the wheel at low speeds or parked that is hard. That\'s why old cars had large steering wheels, lots of leverage.

--

Rick C.

+++ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
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[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

lørdag den 22. juli 2023 kl. 01.41.38 UTC+2 skrev Don Y:

On 7/21/2023 1:51 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-07-21 00:48, Don Y wrote:
On 7/20/2023 1:52 PM, Don Y wrote:
On 7/20/2023 1:38 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
I wonder how much current needs the power steering? I mean for my gasoline
car, not a tesla.

Perhaps look for the fuse controling that circuit?

Mine is a 70A circuit.

It is quite some power.
*IT* is turning the wheel on your behalf (along side you).
Think of how hard it can be to turn the wheel \"unassisted\".
Common sense suggests it would likely be on its own circuit
(so something unrelated taking out the fuse doesn\'t cost you
your steering).

Which appears to be the case.

I\'ll check on my car to see if it is readily apparent.

[Have you noticed how \"different\" electric assist feels
when you hit the limits vs. the old hydraulic assist?]

It would be interesting to know what the power consumption is
like while \"maintaining\" course vs. changing course. The
former would effectively represent a constant load on the
engine whereas the latter would suggest the \"cost\" of
altering direction.

My current car has a button to change the assist power, for city or for normal
use. It definitely feels softer on the city position. I only use it for
parking, then the small finger suffices.
You can change how responsive the steering is to your \"commands\" (motions).
You can also make the response as linear or nonlinear as you choose.
(can you say \"sporty\"?)

Manufacturers like it because it saves on fuel economy and gives them
greater leeway over where they can locate the components -- no need to
tap off the rotating crankshaft for operational power. One less
fluid to maintain, no plumbing to install, etc.

And, it lets them change the feel of the steering without regard for
engine speed or steering \"load\".
On my previous car the electric steering broke down, and the replacement was
quite expensive: 1500 or 2000 €, IIRC.
I suspect the \"controller\" failed, not the assist motor? All auto electronics
are overpriced. But, I suspect you *had* it repaired (instead of buying
parts for a DIY) so ended up having to deal with high labor costs.

In SWMBO\'s vehicle, the controller is probably at least two hours of labor
to access and replace.

And, it\'s in the passenger compartment so doubly inconvenient.
I was on a highway and it was really surprising, the wheel became suddenly
very, very hard for a second, then would return to normal. Then failed again a
minute later, and repeat. Very surprising at 100..120 Km/h.
I lost a front wheel bearing at highway speeds. This is exciting.
You lose braking because the rotor\'s wobble moves the calipers apart.

Unfortunately for me, I had paid to have my brakes done prior to that.
The morons failed to install the parking brake linkage (rear drums)
so I had no \"emergency brake\", either.

dual circuit brakes have mandatory since the late 60\'s so you only lose half your brakes

 

[Ricky]

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 7:43:52 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:

On 7/21/2023 1:46 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-07-20 22:52, Don Y wrote:
On 7/20/2023 1:38 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
I wonder how much current needs the power steering? I mean for my gasoline
car, not a tesla.

Perhaps look for the fuse controling that circuit?

Common sense suggests it would likely be on its own circuit
(so something unrelated taking out the fuse doesn\'t cost you
your steering).

Good point. I\'ll have to find the fuse box next time :-D
There are often two fuseboxes so if it\'s not in the first one
you check, look elsewhere.

There can even be three, that I\'ve seen. There\'s no reason to put all fuses in the same box. They try to minimize wiring these days. It has gotten out of control and adds lots of weight to a car. That\'s why they were talking about switching to 48V electrical systems some 15-20 years ago. But it seems the accessory providers didn\'t want to invest the money in the redesign, and the automakers didn\'t want to either.

I\'ve seen this idea mentioned more recently. I wonder if it will get traction this time?

[Have you noticed how \"different\" electric assist feels
when you hit the limits vs. the old hydraulic assist?]

Mine would make a scaring noise, so I turned the wheel a bit off.
Hydraulic systems would scream as the belt slipped on the pump
when it \"could give no more\".

No, that was when the belt was not adequately tight. There is a bypass which prevents damage to the pump or any other part in such situations. But if the belt is not tight enough, it will slip before reaching that pressure.

--

Rick C.

---- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
---- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Don Y]

On 7/21/2023 4:49 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:

lørdag den 22. juli 2023 kl. 01.41.38 UTC+2 skrev Don Y:
On 7/21/2023 1:51 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-07-21 00:48, Don Y wrote:
On 7/20/2023 1:52 PM, Don Y wrote:
On 7/20/2023 1:38 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
I wonder how much current needs the power steering? I mean for my gasoline
car, not a tesla.

Perhaps look for the fuse controling that circuit?

Mine is a 70A circuit.

It is quite some power.
*IT* is turning the wheel on your behalf (along side you).
Think of how hard it can be to turn the wheel \"unassisted\".
Common sense suggests it would likely be on its own circuit
(so something unrelated taking out the fuse doesn\'t cost you
your steering).

Which appears to be the case.

I\'ll check on my car to see if it is readily apparent.

[Have you noticed how \"different\" electric assist feels
when you hit the limits vs. the old hydraulic assist?]

It would be interesting to know what the power consumption is
like while \"maintaining\" course vs. changing course. The
former would effectively represent a constant load on the
engine whereas the latter would suggest the \"cost\" of
altering direction.

My current car has a button to change the assist power, for city or for normal
use. It definitely feels softer on the city position. I only use it for
parking, then the small finger suffices.
You can change how responsive the steering is to your \"commands\" (motions).
You can also make the response as linear or nonlinear as you choose.
(can you say \"sporty\"?)

Manufacturers like it because it saves on fuel economy and gives them
greater leeway over where they can locate the components -- no need to
tap off the rotating crankshaft for operational power. One less
fluid to maintain, no plumbing to install, etc.

And, it lets them change the feel of the steering without regard for
engine speed or steering \"load\".
On my previous car the electric steering broke down, and the replacement was
quite expensive: 1500 or 2000 €, IIRC.
I suspect the \"controller\" failed, not the assist motor? All auto electronics
are overpriced. But, I suspect you *had* it repaired (instead of buying
parts for a DIY) so ended up having to deal with high labor costs.

In SWMBO\'s vehicle, the controller is probably at least two hours of labor
to access and replace.

And, it\'s in the passenger compartment so doubly inconvenient.
I was on a highway and it was really surprising, the wheel became suddenly
very, very hard for a second, then would return to normal. Then failed again a
minute later, and repeat. Very surprising at 100..120 Km/h.
I lost a front wheel bearing at highway speeds. This is exciting.
You lose braking because the rotor\'s wobble moves the calipers apart.

Unfortunately for me, I had paid to have my brakes done prior to that.
The morons failed to install the parking brake linkage (rear drums)
so I had no \"emergency brake\", either.

dual circuit brakes have mandatory since the late 60\'s so you only lose half your brakes

The front brakes do most of the braking in a car. With one rotor wobbling
(the calipers ride *on* the rotor, not ABOVE it), that meant both front
wheels were unable to provide braking. I was OBVIOUSLY able to slow the
vehicle else I wouldn\'t have been able to make turns, adjust to the changes
in speed limits and, ultimately, stop at my home without crashing through
the back of the garage!

But, any sudden stop was out of the question. You wouldn\'t dream of tailgating
another driver -- even if he pulled in front of you. And, because EVERY
braking attempt appears severe (to the hydraulics), the proportioning valve
works against you on those brakes that you DO still have (the rear).

The parking brake, by contrast, would allow me to \"force the issue\"
as it is controlled by a direct mechanical linkage.

Assuming ALL of the pieces are in place! :<

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

lørdag den 22. juli 2023 kl. 02.39.52 UTC+2 skrev Don Y:

On 7/21/2023 4:49 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
lørdag den 22. juli 2023 kl. 01.41.38 UTC+2 skrev Don Y:
On 7/21/2023 1:51 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-07-21 00:48, Don Y wrote:
On 7/20/2023 1:52 PM, Don Y wrote:
On 7/20/2023 1:38 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
I wonder how much current needs the power steering? I mean for my gasoline
car, not a tesla.

Perhaps look for the fuse controling that circuit?

Mine is a 70A circuit.

It is quite some power.
*IT* is turning the wheel on your behalf (along side you).
Think of how hard it can be to turn the wheel \"unassisted\".
Common sense suggests it would likely be on its own circuit
(so something unrelated taking out the fuse doesn\'t cost you
your steering).

Which appears to be the case.

I\'ll check on my car to see if it is readily apparent.

[Have you noticed how \"different\" electric assist feels
when you hit the limits vs. the old hydraulic assist?]

It would be interesting to know what the power consumption is
like while \"maintaining\" course vs. changing course. The
former would effectively represent a constant load on the
engine whereas the latter would suggest the \"cost\" of
altering direction.

My current car has a button to change the assist power, for city or for normal
use. It definitely feels softer on the city position. I only use it for
parking, then the small finger suffices.
You can change how responsive the steering is to your \"commands\" (motions).
You can also make the response as linear or nonlinear as you choose.
(can you say \"sporty\"?)

Manufacturers like it because it saves on fuel economy and gives them
greater leeway over where they can locate the components -- no need to
tap off the rotating crankshaft for operational power. One less
fluid to maintain, no plumbing to install, etc.

And, it lets them change the feel of the steering without regard for
engine speed or steering \"load\".
On my previous car the electric steering broke down, and the replacement was
quite expensive: 1500 or 2000 €, IIRC.
I suspect the \"controller\" failed, not the assist motor? All auto electronics
are overpriced. But, I suspect you *had* it repaired (instead of buying
parts for a DIY) so ended up having to deal with high labor costs.

In SWMBO\'s vehicle, the controller is probably at least two hours of labor
to access and replace.

And, it\'s in the passenger compartment so doubly inconvenient.
I was on a highway and it was really surprising, the wheel became suddenly
very, very hard for a second, then would return to normal. Then failed again a
minute later, and repeat. Very surprising at 100..120 Km/h.
I lost a front wheel bearing at highway speeds. This is exciting.
You lose braking because the rotor\'s wobble moves the calipers apart.

Unfortunately for me, I had paid to have my brakes done prior to that.
The morons failed to install the parking brake linkage (rear drums)
so I had no \"emergency brake\", either.

dual circuit brakes have mandatory since the late 60\'s so you only lose half your brakes
The front brakes do most of the braking in a car. With one rotor wobbling
(the calipers ride *on* the rotor, not ABOVE it), that meant both front
wheels were unable to provide braking. I was OBVIOUSLY able to slow the
vehicle else I wouldn\'t have been able to make turns, adjust to the changes
in speed limits and, ultimately, stop at my home without crashing through
the back of the garage!

I assume most were diagonal split, having only rear brakes isn\'t worth much

 

[Don Y]

On 7/21/2023 5:51 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:

lørdag den 22. juli 2023 kl. 02.39.52 UTC+2 skrev Don Y:
On 7/21/2023 4:49 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
lørdag den 22. juli 2023 kl. 01.41.38 UTC+2 skrev Don Y:
On 7/21/2023 1:51 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-07-21 00:48, Don Y wrote:
On 7/20/2023 1:52 PM, Don Y wrote:
On 7/20/2023 1:38 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
I wonder how much current needs the power steering? I mean for my gasoline
car, not a tesla.

Perhaps look for the fuse controling that circuit?

Mine is a 70A circuit.

It is quite some power.
*IT* is turning the wheel on your behalf (along side you).
Think of how hard it can be to turn the wheel \"unassisted\".
Common sense suggests it would likely be on its own circuit
(so something unrelated taking out the fuse doesn\'t cost you
your steering).

Which appears to be the case.

I\'ll check on my car to see if it is readily apparent.

[Have you noticed how \"different\" electric assist feels
when you hit the limits vs. the old hydraulic assist?]

It would be interesting to know what the power consumption is
like while \"maintaining\" course vs. changing course. The
former would effectively represent a constant load on the
engine whereas the latter would suggest the \"cost\" of
altering direction.

My current car has a button to change the assist power, for city or for normal
use. It definitely feels softer on the city position. I only use it for
parking, then the small finger suffices.
You can change how responsive the steering is to your \"commands\" (motions).
You can also make the response as linear or nonlinear as you choose.
(can you say \"sporty\"?)

Manufacturers like it because it saves on fuel economy and gives them
greater leeway over where they can locate the components -- no need to
tap off the rotating crankshaft for operational power. One less
fluid to maintain, no plumbing to install, etc.

And, it lets them change the feel of the steering without regard for
engine speed or steering \"load\".
On my previous car the electric steering broke down, and the replacement was
quite expensive: 1500 or 2000 €, IIRC.
I suspect the \"controller\" failed, not the assist motor? All auto electronics
are overpriced. But, I suspect you *had* it repaired (instead of buying
parts for a DIY) so ended up having to deal with high labor costs.

In SWMBO\'s vehicle, the controller is probably at least two hours of labor
to access and replace.

And, it\'s in the passenger compartment so doubly inconvenient.
I was on a highway and it was really surprising, the wheel became suddenly
very, very hard for a second, then would return to normal. Then failed again a
minute later, and repeat. Very surprising at 100..120 Km/h.
I lost a front wheel bearing at highway speeds. This is exciting.
You lose braking because the rotor\'s wobble moves the calipers apart.

Unfortunately for me, I had paid to have my brakes done prior to that.
The morons failed to install the parking brake linkage (rear drums)
so I had no \"emergency brake\", either.

dual circuit brakes have mandatory since the late 60\'s so you only lose half your brakes
The front brakes do most of the braking in a car. With one rotor wobbling
(the calipers ride *on* the rotor, not ABOVE it), that meant both front
wheels were unable to provide braking. I was OBVIOUSLY able to slow the
vehicle else I wouldn\'t have been able to make turns, adjust to the changes
in speed limits and, ultimately, stop at my home without crashing through
the back of the garage!

I assume most were diagonal split, having only rear brakes isn\'t worth much

When the car weighs 4000+ pounds, add a driver, spare tire, tools and other
\"trunk contents\", there\'s a reason you have *4* brakes on the vehicle!

 

[Jan Panteltje]

More bad things about Tesla:
Tesla exaggerated EV range so much that drivers thought cars were broken
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/07/tesla-exaggerated-ev-range-so-much-that-drivers-thought-cars-were-broken/

 

[Ricky]

On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 12:40:57 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:

More bad things about Tesla:
Tesla exaggerated EV range so much that drivers thought cars were broken
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/07/tesla-exaggerated-ev-range-so-much-that-drivers-thought-cars-were-broken/

I have trouble picturing you. I\'m thinking you are the ball of string guy equivalent, but instead of string, obsess about things on the Internet.

But, you clearly are the perfect example of what I often say, the people who have the most problems with EVs, are the ones who don\'t drive them.

--

Rick C.

---+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
---+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Fri, 28 Jul 2023 00:04:52 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Ricky
<gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
<eaaa258c-5397-4e1c-8e62-8be16ff10585n@googlegroups.com>:

On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 12:40:57 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
More bad things about Tesla:
Tesla exaggerated EV range so much that drivers thought cars were broken=

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/07/tesla-exaggerated-ev-range-so=
-much-that-drivers-thought-cars-were-broken/

I have trouble picturing you. I\'m thinking you are the ball of string guy =
equivalent, but instead of string, obsess about things on the Internet.

But, you clearly are the perfect example of what I often say, the people wh=
o have the most problems with EVs, are the ones who don\'t drive them.

Why poiunt at me? I present facts about Tesla.
As to \'lectric cars:
this was in the news here just now (in Dutch) on Ceefax / teletext / videotext (something \'merricans likely never heard about) :
---
NOS Teletekst 104
500 stekkerauto\'s op brandend schip
Aan boord van het schip dat woensdag
in brand vloog boven Ameland zijn geen
25 elektrische auto\'s,maar 498.Dat zegt
de Japanse reder K Line,die het schip
had gecharterd.
Elektrische auto\'s zijn vanwege de
accu\'s moeilijk te blussen,laat staan
op volle zee.De brancheorganisatie van
Nederlandse reders noemde dat tegen
Nieuwsuur een hoofdpijndossier en vindt
dat de regels voor transport moeten
worden aangescherpt.
De Kustwacht zegt dat het schip nu
redelijk stabiel tussen de vaarroute
boven Terschelling ligt.De brand aan
boord woedt nog,maar minder fel.
---

Short translation and background:
Big ship with about 3800 cars on its way from Germany to the Suez canal, then Singapore, Japan.
is on fire (JUST A FEW MILES FROM WHERE I LIVE FYI) on teh Dutch coast, 498 \'lectric cars on board.
I did read they suspect fire in a \'lectric car as cause.
Extinguising the fire is impossibe, as adding more water would make it sink, it is already tilting!
Man even CNN had it, many news agencies:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/one-dead-cargo-ship-fire-electric-car-suspected-source-dutch-coastguard-2023-07-26/
and it says 25 but is now confirmed to be 498 \'lectric cars.

How many of those are Tesla I do not know.
But just the same 1 \'lectric car now burned 4000 - 498 other ones
See the statistics? So many petrol or dieel cars burn versus \'lectric ones.

Maybe lifepo4 bateries are a solution, less range then though.

 

[Ricky]

On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 5:13:57 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 28 Jul 2023 00:04:52 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Ricky
gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote in
eaaa258c-5397-4e1c...@googlegroups.com>:
On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 12:40:57 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
More bad things about Tesla:
Tesla exaggerated EV range so much that drivers thought cars were broken=

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/07/tesla-exaggerated-ev-range-so=
-much-that-drivers-thought-cars-were-broken/

I have trouble picturing you. I\'m thinking you are the ball of string guy > >equivalent, but instead of string, obsess about things on the Internet.

But, you clearly are the perfect example of what I often say, the people wh> >o have the most problems with EVs, are the ones who don\'t drive them.
Why poiunt at me? I present facts about Tesla.
As to \'lectric cars:
this was in the news here just now (in Dutch) on Ceefax / teletext / videotext (something \'merricans likely never heard about) :
---
NOS Teletekst 104
500 stekkerauto\'s op brandend schip
Aan boord van het schip dat woensdag
in brand vloog boven Ameland zijn geen
25 elektrische auto\'s,maar 498.Dat zegt
de Japanse reder K Line,die het schip
had gecharterd.
Elektrische auto\'s zijn vanwege de
accu\'s moeilijk te blussen,laat staan
op volle zee.De brancheorganisatie van
Nederlandse reders noemde dat tegen
Nieuwsuur een hoofdpijndossier en vindt
dat de regels voor transport moeten
worden aangescherpt.
De Kustwacht zegt dat het schip nu
redelijk stabiel tussen de vaarroute
boven Terschelling ligt.De brand aan
boord woedt nog,maar minder fel.
---

Short translation and background:
Big ship with about 3800 cars on its way from Germany to the Suez canal, then Singapore, Japan.
is on fire (JUST A FEW MILES FROM WHERE I LIVE FYI) on teh Dutch coast, 498 \'lectric cars on board.
I did read they suspect fire in a \'lectric car as cause.
Extinguising the fire is impossibe, as adding more water would make it sink, it is already tilting!
Man even CNN had it, many news agencies:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/one-dead-cargo-ship-fire-electric-car-suspected-source-dutch-coastguard-2023-07-26/
and it says 25 but is now confirmed to be 498 \'lectric cars.

How is this remotely relevant? Nothing is known about the cause of the fire. But that doesn\'t stop you from believing it was the 25 EVs.

A Google search of \'ship fire \"498\" EVs\' finds nothing relevant.

How many of those are Tesla I do not know.
But just the same 1 \'lectric car now burned 4000 - 498 other ones

Sorry, which EV are you talking about? Are you drunk tonight? You seem to post like this more when you are drunk.


> See the statistics? So many petrol or dieel cars burn versus \'lectric ones.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=stavanger+norway+airport+garage+fire


> Maybe lifepo4 bateries are a solution, less range then though.

Figures don\'t lie, but liars sure can figure.

You don\'t try at all to find realistic data. You search for anything you can find that damns Tesla and post it.

There\'s no \"present facts\". You only present the facts that you choose, which fit your agenda.

Whatever. You are like everyone else on the Internet, totally insignificant.

--

Rick C.

--+- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
--+- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Fri, 28 Jul 2023 02:42:58 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Ricky
<gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
<67b11136-943b-4559-8e15-57f526e5f18fn@googlegroups.com>:

On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 5:13:57 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 28 Jul 2023 00:04:52 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Ricky=

gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote in
eaaa258c-5397-4e1c...@googlegroups.com>:
On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 12:40:57 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wro=
te:
More bad things about Tesla:
Tesla exaggerated EV range so much that drivers thought cars were brok=
en=

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/07/tesla-exaggerated-ev-range=
-so=
-much-that-drivers-thought-cars-were-broken/

I have trouble picturing you. I\'m thinking you are the ball of string gu=
y =
equivalent, but instead of string, obsess about things on the Internet.=


But, you clearly are the perfect example of what I often say, the people=
wh=
o have the most problems with EVs, are the ones who don\'t drive them.
Why poiunt at me? I present facts about Tesla.
As to \'lectric cars:
this was in the news here just now (in Dutch) on Ceefax / teletext / vide=
otext (something \'merricans likely never heard about) :
---
NOS Teletekst 104
500 stekkerauto\'s op brandend schip
Aan boord van het schip dat woensdag
in brand vloog boven Ameland zijn geen
25 elektrische auto\'s,maar 498.Dat zegt
de Japanse reder K Line,die het schip
had gecharterd.
Elektrische auto\'s zijn vanwege de
accu\'s moeilijk te blussen,laat staan
op volle zee.De brancheorganisatie van
Nederlandse reders noemde dat tegen
Nieuwsuur een hoofdpijndossier en vindt
dat de regels voor transport moeten
worden aangescherpt.
De Kustwacht zegt dat het schip nu
redelijk stabiel tussen de vaarroute
boven Terschelling ligt.De brand aan
boord woedt nog,maar minder fel.
---

Short translation and background:
Big ship with about 3800 cars on its way from Germany to the Suez canal, =
then Singapore, Japan.
is on fire (JUST A FEW MILES FROM WHERE I LIVE FYI) on teh Dutch coast, 4=
98 \'lectric cars on board.
I did read they suspect fire in a \'lectric car as cause.
Extinguising the fire is impossibe, as adding more water would make it si=
nk, it is already tilting!
Man even CNN had it, many news agencies:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/one-dead-cargo-ship-fire-electric-ca=
r-suspected-source-dutch-coastguard-2023-07-26/
and it says 25 but is now confirmed to be 498 \'lectric cars.

How is this remotely relevant? Nothing is known about the cause of the fir=
e. But that doesn\'t stop you from believing it was the 25 EVs.

A Google search of \'ship fire \"498\" EVs\' finds nothing relevant.



How many of those are Tesla I do not know.
But just the same 1 \'lectric car now burned 4000 - 498 other ones

Sorry, which EV are you talking about? Are you drunk tonight? You seem to=
post like this more when you are drunk.


See the statistics? So many petrol or dieel cars burn versus \'lectric one=
s.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=stavanger+norway+a=
irport+garage+fire


Maybe lifepo4 bateries are a solution, less range then though.

Figures don\'t lie, but liars sure can figure.

You don\'t try at all to find realistic data. You search for anything you c=
an find that damns Tesla and post it.

There\'s no \"present facts\". You only present the facts that you choose, wh=
ich fit your agenda.

Whatever. You are like everyone else on the Internet, totally insignifican=
t.

Well, what I posted is real, you can see the smoke from the islands here,
almost 4000 cars on that ship 498 from that are \'lectric.
It is also a big environmental danger for the beaches here ...
We had a container ship some years ago losing containers, the cleanup took years.

So learn to google.

Your devotion to teslala and \'lectric transport is obvious as is your greed for free suppper-charging ..

Rick C.

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[Ricky]

On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 6:50:22 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 28 Jul 2023 02:42:58 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Ricky
gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote in
67b11136-943b-4559...@googlegroups.com>:
On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 5:13:57 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 28 Jul 2023 00:04:52 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Ricky=

gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote in
eaaa258c-5397-4e1c...@googlegroups.com>:
On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 12:40:57 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wro> >te:
More bad things about Tesla:
Tesla exaggerated EV range so much that drivers thought cars were brok=
en=

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/07/tesla-exaggerated-ev-range=
-so=
-much-that-drivers-thought-cars-were-broken/

I have trouble picturing you. I\'m thinking you are the ball of string gu=
y =
equivalent, but instead of string, obsess about things on the Internet.=


But, you clearly are the perfect example of what I often say, the people> > wh=
o have the most problems with EVs, are the ones who don\'t drive them.
Why poiunt at me? I present facts about Tesla.
As to \'lectric cars:
this was in the news here just now (in Dutch) on Ceefax / teletext / vide> >otext (something \'merricans likely never heard about) :
---
NOS Teletekst 104
500 stekkerauto\'s op brandend schip
Aan boord van het schip dat woensdag
in brand vloog boven Ameland zijn geen
25 elektrische auto\'s,maar 498.Dat zegt
de Japanse reder K Line,die het schip
had gecharterd.
Elektrische auto\'s zijn vanwege de
accu\'s moeilijk te blussen,laat staan
op volle zee.De brancheorganisatie van
Nederlandse reders noemde dat tegen
Nieuwsuur een hoofdpijndossier en vindt
dat de regels voor transport moeten
worden aangescherpt.
De Kustwacht zegt dat het schip nu
redelijk stabiel tussen de vaarroute
boven Terschelling ligt.De brand aan
boord woedt nog,maar minder fel.
---

Short translation and background:
Big ship with about 3800 cars on its way from Germany to the Suez canal, =
then Singapore, Japan.
is on fire (JUST A FEW MILES FROM WHERE I LIVE FYI) on teh Dutch coast, 4> >98 \'lectric cars on board.
I did read they suspect fire in a \'lectric car as cause.
Extinguising the fire is impossibe, as adding more water would make it si> >nk, it is already tilting!
Man even CNN had it, many news agencies:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/one-dead-cargo-ship-fire-electric-ca> >r-suspected-source-dutch-coastguard-2023-07-26/
and it says 25 but is now confirmed to be 498 \'lectric cars.

How is this remotely relevant? Nothing is known about the cause of the fir> >e. But that doesn\'t stop you from believing it was the 25 EVs.

A Google search of \'ship fire \"498\" EVs\' finds nothing relevant.



How many of those are Tesla I do not know.
But just the same 1 \'lectric car now burned 4000 - 498 other ones

Sorry, which EV are you talking about? Are you drunk tonight? You seem to> > post like this more when you are drunk.


See the statistics? So many petrol or dieel cars burn versus \'lectric one=
s.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=stavanger+norway+a> >irport+garage+fire


Maybe lifepo4 bateries are a solution, less range then though.

Figures don\'t lie, but liars sure can figure.

You don\'t try at all to find realistic data. You search for anything you c> >an find that damns Tesla and post it.

There\'s no \"present facts\". You only present the facts that you choose, wh=
ich fit your agenda.

Whatever. You are like everyone else on the Internet, totally insignifican=
t.

Well, what I posted is real, you can see the smoke from the islands here,
almost 4000 cars on that ship 498 from that are \'lectric.
It is also a big environmental danger for the beaches here ...
We had a container ship some years ago losing containers, the cleanup took years.

Yes, container ship fires are bad. I agree. How does this relate to anything about EVs?

The topic was supposed to be sudden acceleration, but your rabid Tesla hate seems to have taken you far afield.

I\'m going to ignore this thread now. You clearly have nothing useful to say.

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