how do I copy from DVD to DVD?

On 02 Jan 2004 16:47:55 GMT, lancebro@aol.com (LanceBro) wrote:

there are archival program availiable for retail, such as dvd copy or dvd xcopy
express etc...these will make copies for you, but it will not copy dvd to dvd
it will copy to the Hard Drive then ask you to insert your blank and copy your
DVD....

most DVD's are 8.7 gigs and are referred to as dvd9's the current blanks and
burners can only do 4.7 gigs...

so your movie will be compressed not an exact copy but it will look fine...

The commercial DVD's are usually 8.7 gigs because they include
both wide screen and standard screen versions of the same movie
plus all the extra menus. Programs that will copy commercial DVD's
will usually let you pick which files to copy. If you pick to copy
just the wide screen version then the complete movie will fit on a
standard 4.7 gig DVD without any quality loss.

you will also not have menu's and/or special features etc etc

remember archival purposes only

 

[DarkMatter]

On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 23:32:16 GMT, "luminos" <x@x.net> Gave us:

"DarkMatter" <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
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On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 21:17:38 GMT, "luminos" <x@x.net> Gave us:


"DarkMatter" <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in
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On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 06:17:54 +1100, Franc Zabkar
fzabkar@optussnet.com.au> Gave us:


I agree with the others who decry piracy, but at the same time I'm
enraged at how the various world governments allow the movie industry
to openly flout restrictive trade practices legislation by dividing
the globe into marketing zones with the explicit intention of stifling
competition and manipulating pricing. We all know this is immoral and
illegal, and such practices should be prosecuted.


- Franc Zabkar

You're an idiot. The hierarchy was based on the way movies trickled
into the rest of the world, back in the day. That evolves, surely.
Now, it is just business, and economy in a given region.

It is their product, and it is their right to "price it" at whatever
they want in whatever market they are selling it in.


Region codes are far more sinister than that and should be tested in the
courts.


It is THEIR product to sell, THEIR way, AT the time THEY decide.

There is nothing anyone can do about that. There is no competition
for a product that is a one of a kind work, so you can't say they are
manipulating some market. The market is all theirs.

Doh!

No. The market is not all theirs. Take a look at the docket of monopoly
and anti-competition suits filed.

Look, retard. I make a film. It is MT film. LL my film. It is a
monopoly by default, and is 100% legal.

 

[mzmeryze]

On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 23:33:24 GMT, "luminos" <x@x.net> wrote:

Idiot.

You're the bigger idiot for quoting the troll.

 

[Mike Davis]

"Jerry G." <jerryg50@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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It is called a very sophisticated copy protection. This is a good thing,
because all of this type of piracy is putting people out of work who are
in
the media work force. As the incomes from the sales of their products
goes
down, the production houses are laying off their workers to compensate.

I am involved in several aspects of media production, and am for strong
copy
protection. For the small cost of a copy, it would be a contribution to
buy
a second copy if needed. These small amounts by the many thousands of
purchases add up to keep people in their jobs.

A copy of a commercially produced movie is not considered a backup of user
files, as like user created work or software. Like bought (purchased)
software programs, entertainment media should be used on one device at a
time at one location at a time, unless agreed with between the manufacture
and the end user.

If you worked in this industry and had to feed your family, you would
feel
the same way!


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Hey Jerry,
You seem like a pretty reasonable guy, but I beg to differ on your
opinion on copying. I'll give you a personal example; I've got three kids
ten and under, with another in the oven. I darm sure copy the Disney DVD's
using DVD X Copy. The kids are good kids, but they are still kids, no way in
the world are they going to treat my discs like I do.
I see nothing wrong with making copies for personal use. I don't sell
and don't lend them out (other than rare exceptions) either. If I want a
copy of the "Lion King" so the original stays pristene I don't think that is
out of line. The artist is paid and no copies go out in the gene pool, if
you know what I mean <ggg.>
All the best, Mike

 

[Richard C.]

"rstlne" <.@.> wrote in message
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:
: because the media industry is just SO SO SO SO greedy..

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When you start working for free, then you can say such things.

putz.

 

[Richard C.]

"rstlne" <.@.> wrote in message
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: What I am saying is that You
: shouldnt need to pay 20$ for ghostbusters on DVD,

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You DON'T "need" to pay that.
If you don't want to, then don't buy it or watch it.

Simple.
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[Richard C.]

"rstlne" <.@.> wrote in message
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:
:
: The Inital cost was of the movie profit took care of the film marketing,
: film production, all cost associated with making the film and bringing it to
: market. The conversion (for modern) films from the reel to the dvd isnt
: that high (or did this movie decide to record everything in non-digital then
: edit after the fact)..
:
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Why should they even release it for the home market if there is no money in it for
them?

Your attitude is pathetic.
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[James Sweet]

Hey Jerry,
You seem like a pretty reasonable guy, but I beg to differ on your
opinion on copying. I'll give you a personal example; I've got three kids
ten and under, with another in the oven. I darm sure copy the Disney DVD's
using DVD X Copy. The kids are good kids, but they are still kids, no way
in
the world are they going to treat my discs like I do.
I see nothing wrong with making copies for personal use. I don't sell
and don't lend them out (other than rare exceptions) either. If I want a
copy of the "Lion King" so the original stays pristene I don't think that
is
out of line. The artist is paid and no copies go out in the gene pool, if
you know what I mean <ggg.
All the best, Mike

Well there is where things get fuzzy, legally you *should* in theory be able
to make one backup copy for personal use, however there's that silly DMCA
which is very broad and makes it illegal to break the CSS encryption for any
purpose, so you're kinda screwed there. That said, I seriously doubt the
feds are gonna bust down your door for making a personal backup and I
wouldn't hesitate to do it, but obviously I wouldn't go selling copies to
people, I don't particularly like the industry, but it's still their product
and I find most DVD's to be reasonably priced anyway.

 

[tempus fugit]

I agree with Dark. Just because you think they are making too much profit
doesn't give you the right to steal it.
That being said (and I agree wholeheartedly with copy protection),
Macrovision sucks. I got a DVD player and my ancient TV has no RCA ins. My
VCR does though, but I can't use it for DVD's because the macrovision kicks
in. I have no interest in copying a DVD, I just want to watch the f'in
thing.

I ended up buying a modulator (was going to build one, but couldn't be
bothered)./


"DarkMatter" <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
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On Fri, 2 Jan 2004 21:07:31 -0000, "rstlne" <.@.> Gave us:

The Inital cost was of the movie profit took care of the film marketing,
film production, all cost associated with making the film and bringing it
to
market. The conversion (for modern) films from the reel to the dvd isnt
that high (or did this movie decide to record everything in non-digital
then
edit after the fact)..



So what? You don't get it. It is STILL THEIR product to sell. If
you don't like the price or are out classed by it, buy into a
different technology. It is that simple.

AT NO time does any circumstance ever legitimize the theft of the
product.

No matter what you think of how it breaks down for them.

 

[MR_ED_of_Course]

in article bt4b0u$jmq$3@news.eusc.inter.net, Jerry G. at
jerryg50@hotmail.com wrote on 1/2/04 9:48 AM:

It is called a very sophisticated copy protection.

What is called "very sophisticated copy protection"? Certainly nothing that
DVDs have. Pirates can make bit-perfect copies of DVD movies in less than
an hour. This is the problem that I've seen with almost all copy protection
to date...they hurt legitimate consumers while not affecting professional
pirates at all.

For music, copy protection has at best created a annoyance for legitimate
customers while *increasing* the market for pirates and pushing people more
towards piracy.

Music, video and software are all different areas where I have different
attitudes towards copying. I've worked in all three industries and have
been a consumer who spends an order of magnitude more than the average
person on each.

MUSIC: I have no problems with people sharing music by any means necessary.
I think sharing music *is* the moral thing to do and the recording industry
should be destroyed.

SOFTWARE: Likewise, I have no problems with people pirating any Microsoft
software. I have no problem with people pirating other productive software
for personal use...in the sense of someone pirating PhotoShop so they can be
familiar with it when they go to work somewhere that the company will buy it
for them.

VIDEO: DVDs are so incredibly reasonable in terms of pricing. I'm against
pirating DVDs, but I do feel it's ok to use a DVD that you've purchased for
personal use. This would include making a back up, making a version that
strips out forced trailers and commercials, or using the content for
personal use...such as making a CD of some of the audio or making a game for
your children based on the video/art elements.

In summary, it's a "fuck the recording industry and fuck microsoft" attitude
along with if empowering the consumer with what they can do with the
content/software ultimately leads to more sales than go for it.

This is a good thing,

Actually it's not. Studios are paying a lot of money for something that's
broken. Macrovision, region coding and CSS don't work. Even if they did
work, it would not be in their financial best interest to utilize these. It
will be interesting to see if they figure this out before the next format
dominates the market.

because all of this type of piracy is putting people out of work who are in
the media work force. As the incomes from the sales of their products goes
down, the production houses are laying off their workers to compensate.

Well you said "media" instead of "movie"...as I mentioned above, I *want*
the recording industry to be destroyed.

In terms of the movie industry, I think they're treading a close line
between doing things the right way and falling into the same trap as the
recording industry.

For now, prices are totally reasonable, and piracy is extremely low...they
make it seem much larger than it actually is.

However I do see the movie industry making some crucial mistakes such as:
1) Limiting the availability of titles. I'm not talking about not getting
around to releasing titles, but not having a released title always be
available. The studios need to provide custom ordering. This could be very
inexpensive...hell it could be entirely automated. Think NetFlix with DVDs
being burned for the order and shipped for purchase. Without evergreen
availability, people will pirate DVDs solely because they want out-of-print
titles.

2) Using copy-protection that only annoys consumers, but has no affect
whatsoever on professional pirates.

3) Developing big-brother strategies. Remember Divx? It was never cracked.
Studios are considering a DivxII, not so much in terms of a marketing
strategy but in terms of what they can do to produce a really secure (and
upgradeable) copy protection scheme. Two copy protection schemes I've heard
them considering include a Divx like authentication system and a spindle
hologram which contains part of the code key.

For the small cost of a copy, it would be a contribution to buy
a second copy if needed. These small amounts by the many thousands of
purchases add up to keep people in their jobs.

This is great as long as prices remain low and titles remain available.

A copy of a commercially produced movie is not considered a backup of user
files, as like user created work or software. Like bought (purchased)
software programs, entertainment media should be used on one device at a
time at one location at a time, unless agreed with between the manufacture
and the end user.

Interestingly though US law actually says otherwise. What is not debatable
is that (in the US) you have fair use laws for media content which do go
beyond just having a back up copy like with software. The only real debate
is whether the fair laws are superceded by the fact that it's illegal to
circumvent digital copy protection. Even if it is, it would still be legal
to from digital media to digital media as long as it's within fair use and
the content itself was in analog form at some point during the process.

If you worked in this industry and had to feed your family, you would feel
the same way!

I'm currently working full time in the software industry, but I often work
in the film, tv, radio or music industries.

 

[Justin]

MR_ED_of_Course wrote on [Sat, 03 Jan 2004 06:26:34 GMT]:

SOFTWARE: Likewise, I have no problems with people pirating any Microsoft
software. I have no problem with people pirating other productive software
for personal use...in the sense of someone pirating PhotoShop so they can be
familiar with it when they go to work somewhere that the company will buy it
for them.

And games? No matter how crappy.

 

[Mark]

mzmeryze <screenname@domain.com> wrote in message news:<al3cvvkk2lf9l01hln0olktgrgtavmjnv5@4ax.com>...

On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 23:33:24 GMT, "luminos" <x@x.net> wrote:



Idiot.



You're the bigger idiot for quoting the troll.

Fortunately, it is not illegal to make a backup copy of the DVD, VHS
or other media format for YOUR OWN PERSONAL USE. Macrovision is a
scheme which takes advantage of the AGC circuit in the majority of the
video,VHS players now made. Circumvention of the copy protection is
easily bypassed. Smartripper, ISO buster and other freeware is out for
anyones use. You can hack the eprom code on the Apex units as well. No
big deal as long as you have a legit use. Other than that, go buy it.

 

[Justin]

Mark wrote on [2 Jan 2004 22:36:04 -0800]:

mzmeryze <screenname@domain.com> wrote in message news:<al3cvvkk2lf9l01hln0olktgrgtavmjnv5@4ax.com>...
On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 23:33:24 GMT, "luminos" <x@x.net> wrote:



Idiot.



You're the bigger idiot for quoting the troll.

Fortunately, it is not illegal to make a backup copy of the DVD, VHS
or other media format for YOUR OWN PERSONAL USE. Macrovision is a

In the USA it is indeed illegal to make a copy of a DVD
Bypassing the CSS encryption is against the law.

 

[luminos]

"Justin" <nospam@insightbb.com> wrote in message
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mzmeryze <screenname@domain.com> wrote in message
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Idiot.



You're the bigger idiot for quoting the troll.

Fortunately, it is not illegal to make a backup copy of the DVD, VHS
or other media format for YOUR OWN PERSONAL USE. Macrovision is a

In the USA it is indeed illegal to make a copy of a DVD
Bypassing the CSS encryption is against the law.

Section 4(c) of the DMCA specifically states that no section of the act
should be construed to compromise Fair Use.

This is the conflict in the DMCA. See www.eff.org

 

[rstlne]

"Richard C." <post-age@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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"rstlne" <.@.> wrote in message
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:
:
: The Inital cost was of the movie profit took care of the film marketing,
: film production, all cost associated with making the film and bringing
it to
: market. The conversion (for modern) films from the reel to the dvd isnt
: that high (or did this movie decide to record everything in non-digital
then
: edit after the fact)..
:
===================
Why should they even release it for the home market if there is no money
in it for
them?

Your attitude is pathetic.
================

What if say a car dealer decided to go by the same type of markups that this
stuff is on.. That would make a bare Geo go for probably about 750k
I wish you were my customer!

 

[SEVEN SEVILLE]

I DON'T SEE WHY MANUFACTURERS SHOULD PUT IN COPY PROTECTION. WHAT BITCHES. THEY DON'T WANT THE CONSUMER WHO WORKS HARD AND THEY DON'T TO SCREW THE INDUSITRY OUT OF 15 DOLLARS FOR A DVD SO THEY MANUFACTURES OF DVD RECORDERS SCREW THE CONSUMER OUT OF 400.00. THAT'S FUCKED.

BTW: WHY IS THIS BEING CROSSPOSTED TO SCI.ELECTRONICS.REPAIR??

 

[Richard C.]

"rstlne" <.@.> wrote in message
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: The DVD store format is the same for every region..
: NTSC/Pal/whatever is done by the DVD player itself
:
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Not on this planet.

 

[Richard C.]

"SEVEN SEVILLE" <you_should_be_able_to_copy_whatever_the_fuck_you_want@yahoo.com>
wrote in message news:200401022137.QAA11537@orion.besthost1.com...
: HEY ALL OF YOU ANTI-PIRACY RETARDS, BACK OFF OF ERICH.
: HE SHOULD BE ALBE TO MAKE ALL THE COPIES HE WANTS.

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NO HE SHOULD NOT! HE ADMITTED HE WANTED TO COPY RENTED DVDS.
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: WHO IS HE HURTING? NOBODY? OH, WHAT THE FUCK ACTOR WON'T BE ABLE TO BUY ANOTHER
HOUSE.
: THAT SLUTTY ACTRESS WHO HAS TO SHOW HER FAKE TITS THAT LOOK LIKE MOLDY PINAPPLES
CAN'T AFFORD THAT FUCKING HUMMER.

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YOU ARE AN ASS!
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:
: I'VE SAID IT BEFORE AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN IF YOU ARE AGAINST PIRACY THEN YOU
: BRING A SPOON TO MY HOUSE AND EAT THE SHIT RIGHT OUT OF MY TOILET.
:

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YOU ARE CERTAINLY FULL OF IT!
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[Richard C.]

"Mark" <res6zdah@verizon.net> wrote in message
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: Fortunately, it is not illegal to make a backup copy of the DVD, VHS
: or other media format for YOUR OWN PERSONAL USE.

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It is if you RENTED it. That is what the OP wanted to do.
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[Richard C.]

"rstlne" <.@.> wrote in message
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: "Richard C." <post-age@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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: > "rstlne" <.@.> wrote in message
: > news:r%kJb.15407$526.102955@newsfep4-glfd.server.ntli.net...
: > :
: > :
: > : The Inital cost was of the movie profit took care of the film marketing,
: > : film production, all cost associated with making the film and bringing
: it to
: > : market. The conversion (for modern) films from the reel to the dvd isnt
: > : that high (or did this movie decide to record everything in non-digital
: then
: > : edit after the fact)..
: > :
: > ===================
: > Why should they even release it for the home market if there is no money
: in it for
: > them?
: >
: > Your attitude is pathetic.
: > ================
:
:
: What if say a car dealer decided to go by the same type of markups that this
: stuff is on.. That would make a bare Geo go for probably about 750k
: I wish you were my customer!
:
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Did you ever buy PARTS for that Geo?

The markup over the entire movie industry, counting ALL product, is not as great as
you imply.
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