how do I copy from DVD to DVD?

[DarkMatter]

On Fri, 2 Jan 2004 19:39:25 -0000, "rstlne" <.@.> Gave us:

Your telling me that the DVD selling for 26$-28$ is priced so high because
it has to feed the people that made it? ..

What is so high?

I paid $70 for a Star Wars releases on Laser Disc upon fresh
release. Back when $70 was a lot more than it is today.

A hell of a lot more than a $22 disc on the shelf with an MSRP of
$26 to $28. Even if it was the full $28, it ain't shit.

When I was a kid ten packs of baseball cards was a dollar.

Now, one pack is $2.50, and I ain't sure there's even ten cards in
there.

These folks today that piss and moan about the economy have no clue.
That disc was bought when min wage was $3.00 an hour.

Goddamned pirate retards.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Fri, 2 Jan 2004 19:39:25 -0000, "rstlne" <.@.> Gave us:

I would bet that (riaa fees and sales company markup aside).. that the cost
of that 10$ DVD (box & cover design & production of the case & dvd itself)
is around 70c

Yer full of shit. The final product is 70c each. The total cost of
producing packaging is a large number though. Add it up.

70c times 10 million discs pressed.

That's a 7 million dollar cost. There are artists, and renderers,
and a whole team of folks involved, long before the art gets to the
presses.

You are so lost. So what it is only 70c per package? It is THEIR
product.

 

[jayembee]

"Erich J. Schultheis" <erichchowtheis@yahoo.com> wrote:

I rented some movies from Blockbuster the other day and
tried to burn them to a DVD-R and my DVD recorder said
"Can Not Copy". The same thing happens when I borrow DVDs
from friends and when I try to copy my DVD disc for friends.
I can burn movies from digital cable and off the antenna
just fine. Is the DVD too high a resolution for my DVD
recorder or do I have a bad cable from my DVD player which
is preventing me from recording to DVD?

No, that's not it. Most commercial DVDs have software called
Macrovision on them to prevent them from being copied. That's
for the express purpose of keeping you from doing exactly
what you're trying to do: copy borrowed DVDs inside of buying
your own legal copies.

-- jayembee

 

[Justin]

rstlne wrote on [Fri, 2 Jan 2004 21:05:08 -0000]:

"Justin" <nospam@insightbb.com> wrote in message
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rstlne wrote on [Fri, 2 Jan 2004 19:39:25 -0000]:

Not sure what post was more of a laugh, his or yours..
I mean, Just look at the 3 LOTR films
a MASSIVE 500+ mil usd to make the film and bring it to the market. Now
in
the BOX OFFICE ALONE the total sales is expected to reach 3 BN usd..
now..
Movie theatres say "We rarely profit from the ticket sales".. So one
would
assume that the majority of the ticket sale goes back to the mfgr.. For
you
we can go low, and say they make 50%.. so that's 1.5bn - .5bn or 1bn
profit

Yes, one group of films out of many that don't break even in the
theatre, and barely come close in the retail channel. Waterworld
recently just made it's money back. This is money back, before profit.

Or should studios only release profitable films?


No, I dont think that would be possible. What I am saying is that You
shouldnt need to pay 20$ for ghostbusters on DVD, They stay on top of
overkill until the product is completly dead.

Ghostbusters is not $20

A quick look yields 9.89 at Deep Discount DVD

And shipping, marketing, etc.

I counted marketing.. Shipping large volumes would be virtually nil (by thte
time you consider volume by cost) and be considered part of the "stores"
profit..

Oh. So the store profits from shipping?

 

[rstlne]

"Justin" <nospam@insightbb.com> wrote in message
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:

Not sure what post was more of a laugh, his or yours..
I mean, Just look at the 3 LOTR films
a MASSIVE 500+ mil usd to make the film and bring it to the market. Now
in
the BOX OFFICE ALONE the total sales is expected to reach 3 BN usd..
now..
Movie theatres say "We rarely profit from the ticket sales".. So one
would
assume that the majority of the ticket sale goes back to the mfgr.. For
you
we can go low, and say they make 50%.. so that's 1.5bn - .5bn or 1bn
profit

Yes, one group of films out of many that don't break even in the
theatre, and barely come close in the retail channel. Waterworld
recently just made it's money back. This is money back, before profit.

Or should studios only release profitable films?

No, I dont think that would be possible. What I am saying is that You
shouldnt need to pay 20$ for ghostbusters on DVD, They stay on top of
overkill until the product is completly dead.

So now they release the DVD's, And games, and soundtracks, and posters,
and
so on and so on and so on ..

Your telling me that the DVD selling for 26$-28$ is priced so high
because
it has to feed the people that made it? ..
Lets not forget that they have got their payment JUST from sales.. When
this
film makes 30bn and gives it's 300mil to the RIAA to stop people who
want to
make their own DVD for 3$ then I guess you can feel happy that your able
to
buy your food..

The RIAA? That's music

You sure.. Check again.. all "media" formats come under the RIAA..

And shipping, marketing, etc.

I counted marketing.. Shipping large volumes would be virtually nil (by thte
time you consider volume by cost) and be considered part of the "stores"
profit..

 

[James Sweet]

"jayembee" <jayembeeNoSpam@snurcher.com> wrote in message
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"Erich J. Schultheis" <erichchowtheis@yahoo.com> wrote:

I rented some movies from Blockbuster the other day and
tried to burn them to a DVD-R and my DVD recorder said
"Can Not Copy". The same thing happens when I borrow DVDs
from friends and when I try to copy my DVD disc for friends.
I can burn movies from digital cable and off the antenna
just fine. Is the DVD too high a resolution for my DVD
recorder or do I have a bad cable from my DVD player which
is preventing me from recording to DVD?

No, that's not it. Most commercial DVDs have software called
Macrovision on them to prevent them from being copied. That's
for the express purpose of keeping you from doing exactly
what you're trying to do: copy borrowed DVDs inside of buying
your own legal copies.

-- jayembee

Macrovision prevents you from making an analog copy of a DVD by recording
the output of a player onto a VHS or other tape, but preventing a digital
copy is the CSS encryption. There was a lot of buzz going on a few years go
when someone cracked the encryption and Hollywood shit a brick sideways.

 

[rstlne]

"DarkMatter" <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
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On Fri, 2 Jan 2004 19:39:25 -0000, "rstlne" <.@.> Gave us:

I would bet that (riaa fees and sales company markup aside).. that the
cost
of that 10$ DVD (box & cover design & production of the case & dvd
itself)
is around 70c

Yer full of shit. The final product is 70c each. The total cost of
producing packaging is a large number though. Add it up.

70c times 10 million discs pressed.

That's a 7 million dollar cost. There are artists, and renderers,
and a whole team of folks involved, long before the art gets to the
presses.

You are so lost. So what it is only 70c per package? It is THEIR
product.

The Inital cost was of the movie profit took care of the film marketing,
film production, all cost associated with making the film and bringing it to
market. The conversion (for modern) films from the reel to the dvd isnt
that high (or did this movie decide to record everything in non-digital then
edit after the fact)..

 

[luminos]

"Paul Landregan" <plandregan@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Erich J. Schultheis" <erichchowtheis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I rented some movies from Blockbuster the other day and tried to burn
them
to a DVD-R and my DVD recorder said "Can Not Copy".
The same thing happens when I borrow DVDs from friends and when I try to
copy my DVD disc for friends.
I can burn movies from digital cable and off the antenna just fine.
Is the DVD too high a resolution for my DVD recorder or do I have a bad
cable from my DVD player which is preventing me from recording to DVD?


DVD Decrypt, the use Clone DVD to compress and burn.

Can not tell the different. But remember its strictly for archiving only.
Duplicating someone else's DVD;'s is Illegal.

And renting and copying is dupliacating some else's DVD. There are ca $90
boxes that can decrypt the various codes between
a player and recorder....but you have to 'sign' a statement that by buying
such a thing you will not use it for the purposes
mentioned by the original poster.

 

[luminos]

"DarkMatter" <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
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On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 06:17:54 +1100, Franc Zabkar
fzabkar@optussnet.com.au> Gave us:


I agree with the others who decry piracy, but at the same time I'm
enraged at how the various world governments allow the movie industry
to openly flout restrictive trade practices legislation by dividing
the globe into marketing zones with the explicit intention of stifling
competition and manipulating pricing. We all know this is immoral and
illegal, and such practices should be prosecuted.


- Franc Zabkar

You're an idiot. The hierarchy was based on the way movies trickled
into the rest of the world, back in the day. That evolves, surely.
Now, it is just business, and economy in a given region.

It is their product, and it is their right to "price it" at whatever
they want in whatever market they are selling it in.

Region codes are far more sinister than that and should be tested in the
courts.

 

[James Sweet]

"luminos" <x@x.net> wrote in message
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"DarkMatter" <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
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On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 06:17:54 +1100, Franc Zabkar
fzabkar@optussnet.com.au> Gave us:


I agree with the others who decry piracy, but at the same time I'm
enraged at how the various world governments allow the movie industry
to openly flout restrictive trade practices legislation by dividing
the globe into marketing zones with the explicit intention of stifling
competition and manipulating pricing. We all know this is immoral and
illegal, and such practices should be prosecuted.


- Franc Zabkar

You're an idiot. The hierarchy was based on the way movies trickled
into the rest of the world, back in the day. That evolves, surely.
Now, it is just business, and economy in a given region.

It is their product, and it is their right to "price it" at whatever
they want in whatever market they are selling it in.


Region codes are far more sinister than that and should be tested in the
courts.

Yes region codes I will agree are annoying, though it's almost laughable how
easy they are to defeat, particularly now that you can get DVD players so
ridiculously cheap that if you don't feel like hacking one of those Apex or
similar units to be region free you can simply buy a second player for the
other region you want. In the end all it creates is a small hassle.

 

[Justin]

James Sweet wrote on [Fri, 02 Jan 2004 21:33:43 GMT]:

"luminos" <x@x.net> wrote in message
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"DarkMatter" <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
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On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 06:17:54 +1100, Franc Zabkar
fzabkar@optussnet.com.au> Gave us:


I agree with the others who decry piracy, but at the same time I'm
enraged at how the various world governments allow the movie industry
to openly flout restrictive trade practices legislation by dividing
the globe into marketing zones with the explicit intention of stifling
competition and manipulating pricing. We all know this is immoral and
illegal, and such practices should be prosecuted.


- Franc Zabkar

You're an idiot. The hierarchy was based on the way movies trickled
into the rest of the world, back in the day. That evolves, surely.
Now, it is just business, and economy in a given region.

It is their product, and it is their right to "price it" at whatever
they want in whatever market they are selling it in.


Region codes are far more sinister than that and should be tested in the
courts.




Yes region codes I will agree are annoying, though it's almost laughable how
easy they are to defeat, particularly now that you can get DVD players so
ridiculously cheap that if you don't feel like hacking one of those Apex or
similar units to be region free you can simply buy a second player for the
other region you want. In the end all it creates is a small hassle.

Hmmm.. I dunno about that line of logic, seeings as very few DVD players
can convert Anamorphic PAL perfectly to NTSC

 

[SEVEN SEVILLE]

HEY ALL OF YOU ANTI-PIRACY RETARDS, BACK OFF OF ERICH.
HE SHOULD BE ALBE TO MAKE ALL THE COPIES HE WANTS. WHO IS HE HURTING? NOBODY? OH, WHAT THE FUCK ACTOR WON'T BE ABLE TO BUY ANOTHER HOUSE.
THAT SLUTTY ACTRESS WHO HAS TO SHOW HER FAKE TITS THAT LOOK LIKE MOLDY PINAPPLES CAN'T AFFORD THAT FUCKING HUMMER.

I'VE SAID IT BEFORE AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN IF YOU ARE AGAINST PIRACY THEN YOU
BRING A SPOON TO MY HOUSE AND EAT THE SHIT RIGHT OUT OF MY TOILET.

 

[Justin]

rstlne wrote on [Fri, 2 Jan 2004 21:56:15 -0000]:

"Justin" <nospam@insightbb.com> wrote in message
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Hmmm.. I dunno about that line of logic, seeings as very few DVD players
can convert Anamorphic PAL perfectly to NTSC


The DVD store format is the same for every region..
NTSC/Pal/whatever is done by the DVD player itself

Uh. No.

 

[rstlne]

"Justin" <nospam@insightbb.com> wrote in message
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"luminos" <x@x.net> wrote in message
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"DarkMatter" <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in
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On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 06:17:54 +1100, Franc Zabkar
fzabkar@optussnet.com.au> Gave us:


I agree with the others who decry piracy, but at the same time I'm
enraged at how the various world governments allow the movie
industry
to openly flout restrictive trade practices legislation by dividing
the globe into marketing zones with the explicit intention of
stifling
competition and manipulating pricing. We all know this is immoral
and
illegal, and such practices should be prosecuted.


- Franc Zabkar

You're an idiot. The hierarchy was based on the way movies
trickled
into the rest of the world, back in the day. That evolves, surely.
Now, it is just business, and economy in a given region.

It is their product, and it is their right to "price it" at
whatever
they want in whatever market they are selling it in.


Region codes are far more sinister than that and should be tested in
the
courts.




Yes region codes I will agree are annoying, though it's almost laughable
how
easy they are to defeat, particularly now that you can get DVD players
so
ridiculously cheap that if you don't feel like hacking one of those Apex
or
similar units to be region free you can simply buy a second player for
the
other region you want. In the end all it creates is a small hassle.

Hmmm.. I dunno about that line of logic, seeings as very few DVD players
can convert Anamorphic PAL perfectly to NTSC

The DVD store format is the same for every region..
NTSC/Pal/whatever is done by the DVD player itself

 

[rstlne]

"Justin" <nospam@insightbb.com> wrote in message
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:

"Justin" <nospam@insightbb.com> wrote in message
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Hmmm.. I dunno about that line of logic, seeings as very few DVD
players
can convert Anamorphic PAL perfectly to NTSC


The DVD store format is the same for every region..
NTSC/Pal/whatever is done by the DVD player itself

Uh. No.

Yeh.. Thinking about it a bit more your right..
My television is a multi-system tv able to play both NTSC or PAL tho....
Sorry I keep forgetting that some people live in the tightly regulated
american market

 

[Jerry Greenberg]

Not all these films make Billions, or Millions. There are many that
just make it, but people like the story, therefore, the watch it. You
only hear about the big ones that make the big money, and not all of
the money is made by the distributors.

For the pressing and distribution of the DVD's, and video tapes, there
are a lot of small subcontractors that do the actual work. This
involves everyone from the pressing, packing, sales, and distribution.
They are not the owners of the content of the DVD's, but only are
paid commission from the volumes of sales. These are the guys that
also have to pay their employees for the work done. The retailers
make a very small markup on these.

In the case of a first class movie in the movie theaters, the makers
of the movie, and the share investors are the ones that get the bulk
of the income from it. The theaters that show the movies, make only a
base commission from the number of tickets sold.

Jerry G.

--

"rstlne" <.@.> wrote in message news:<8JjJb.15476$FN.9581@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net>...

It is called a very sophisticated copy protection. This is a good thing,
because all of this type of piracy is putting people out of work who are
in
the media work force. As the incomes from the sales of their products
goes
down, the production houses are laying off their workers to compensate.

I am involved in several aspects of media production, and am for strong
copy
protection. For the small cost of a copy, it would be a contribution to
buy
a second copy if needed. These small amounts by the many thousands of
purchases add up to keep people in their jobs.

A copy of a commercially produced movie is not considered a backup of user
files, as like user created work or software. Like bought (purchased)
software programs, entertainment media should be used on one device at a
time at one location at a time, unless agreed with between the manufacture
and the end user.

If you worked in this industry and had to feed your family, you would
feel
the same way!


--

Greetings,

Jerry Greenberg GLG Technologies GLG


Not sure what post was more of a laugh, his or yours..
I mean, Just look at the 3 LOTR films
a MASSIVE 500+ mil usd to make the film and bring it to the market. Now in
the BOX OFFICE ALONE the total sales is expected to reach 3 BN usd.. now..
Movie theatres say "We rarely profit from the ticket sales".. So one would
assume that the majority of the ticket sale goes back to the mfgr.. For you
we can go low, and say they make 50%.. so that's 1.5bn - .5bn or 1bn profit

So now they release the DVD's, And games, and soundtracks, and posters, and
so on and so on and so on ..

Your telling me that the DVD selling for 26$-28$ is priced so high because
it has to feed the people that made it? ..
Lets not forget that they have got their payment JUST from sales.. When this
film makes 30bn and gives it's 300mil to the RIAA to stop people who want to
make their own DVD for 3$ then I guess you can feel happy that your able to
buy your food..

Granted I think what the guy wants to do is wrong, but He wants to do it
because the media industry is just SO SO SO SO greedy..
I would bet that (riaa fees and sales company markup aside).. that the cost
of that 10$ DVD (box & cover design & production of the case & dvd itself)
is around 70c

Just saying that your post is as silly as his

 

[DarkMatter]

On Fri, 2 Jan 2004 21:07:31 -0000, "rstlne" <.@.> Gave us:

The Inital cost was of the movie profit took care of the film marketing,
film production, all cost associated with making the film and bringing it to
market. The conversion (for modern) films from the reel to the dvd isnt
that high (or did this movie decide to record everything in non-digital then
edit after the fact)..

So what? You don't get it. It is STILL THEIR product to sell. If
you don't like the price or are out classed by it, buy into a
different technology. It is that simple.

AT NO time does any circumstance ever legitimize the theft of the
product.

No matter what you think of how it breaks down for them.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 21:17:38 GMT, "luminos" <x@x.net> Gave us:

"DarkMatter" <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
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On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 06:17:54 +1100, Franc Zabkar
fzabkar@optussnet.com.au> Gave us:


I agree with the others who decry piracy, but at the same time I'm
enraged at how the various world governments allow the movie industry
to openly flout restrictive trade practices legislation by dividing
the globe into marketing zones with the explicit intention of stifling
competition and manipulating pricing. We all know this is immoral and
illegal, and such practices should be prosecuted.


- Franc Zabkar

You're an idiot. The hierarchy was based on the way movies trickled
into the rest of the world, back in the day. That evolves, surely.
Now, it is just business, and economy in a given region.

It is their product, and it is their right to "price it" at whatever
they want in whatever market they are selling it in.


Region codes are far more sinister than that and should be tested in the
courts.

It is THEIR product to sell, THEIR way, AT the time THEY decide.

There is nothing anyone can do about that. There is no competition
for a product that is a one of a kind work, so you can't say they are
manipulating some market. The market is all theirs.

Doh!

 

[luminos]

"DarkMatter" <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
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On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 21:17:38 GMT, "luminos" <x@x.net> Gave us:


"DarkMatter" <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in
message
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On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 06:17:54 +1100, Franc Zabkar
fzabkar@optussnet.com.au> Gave us:


I agree with the others who decry piracy, but at the same time I'm
enraged at how the various world governments allow the movie industry
to openly flout restrictive trade practices legislation by dividing
the globe into marketing zones with the explicit intention of stifling
competition and manipulating pricing. We all know this is immoral and
illegal, and such practices should be prosecuted.


- Franc Zabkar

You're an idiot. The hierarchy was based on the way movies trickled
into the rest of the world, back in the day. That evolves, surely.
Now, it is just business, and economy in a given region.

It is their product, and it is their right to "price it" at whatever
they want in whatever market they are selling it in.


Region codes are far more sinister than that and should be tested in the
courts.


It is THEIR product to sell, THEIR way, AT the time THEY decide.

There is nothing anyone can do about that. There is no competition
for a product that is a one of a kind work, so you can't say they are
manipulating some market. The market is all theirs.

Doh!

No. The market is not all theirs. Take a look at the docket of monopoly
and anti-competition suits filed.

 

[luminos]

"SEVEN SEVILLE"
<you_should_be_able_to_copy_whatever_the_fuck_you_want@yahoo.com> wrote in
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HEY ALL OF YOU ANTI-PIRACY RETARDS, BACK OFF OF ERICH.
HE SHOULD BE ALBE TO MAKE ALL THE COPIES HE WANTS. WHO IS HE HURTING?
NOBODY? OH, WHAT THE FUCK ACTOR WON'T BE ABLE TO BUY ANOTHER HOUSE.
THAT SLUTTY ACTRESS WHO HAS TO SHOW HER FAKE TITS THAT LOOK LIKE MOLDY
PINAPPLES CAN'T AFFORD THAT FUCKING HUMMER.

I'VE SAID IT BEFORE AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN IF YOU ARE AGAINST PIRACY THEN
YOU
BRING A SPOON TO MY HOUSE AND EAT THE SHIT RIGHT OUT OF MY TOILET.

Idiot.