HDM I1.4

[TT]

For your home theatre - most modern DVD (& blu-ray?) players
have a
USB input, with this
you can use an EXTERNAL USB hard drive, (under $200 for 1TB)
and play
your movies direct from that.
Saves the hassle if you are burning discs just to watch them
a couple
of times.

Or stream it over the network through your media server or
PS3. That even saves on moving any hardware at all ;-)
Far, far more convenient.

Cheers TT

 

[KR]

On Jun 9, 10:25 am, "john" <jgw...@westnet.com.au> wrote:

You are all talking about 1TB hard drives etc, How the hell am I to send
friends in Japan or USA etc a high definition 1920 x 1080p a copy of the
movies we took when were were visiting etc.
Another thing, If I want to watch a particular home movie in our large
screen theatre am I supposed to chug all the computer and bits in there. No
, of course not, I can simply take my blu ray disc in and watch it
immediately or send a copy to friends etc.
Off course I keep a master copy on HD.

John

Please read the end of my post
Quote:

"Burnable discs do have their place, they are great if you want to
burn
a few GB of files, to post or give to someone else. "



For your home theatre - most modern DVD (& blu-ray?) players have a
USB input, with this
you can use an EXTERNAL USB hard drive, (under $200 for 1TB) and play
your movies direct from that.
Saves the hassle if you are burning discs just to watch them a couple
of times.

"KR" <kenreed1...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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On Jun 8, 2:17 am, "TT" <TTencerNoS...@westnet.com.au> wrote:



"john" <jgw...@westnet.com.au> wrote in message

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Yeh thats fine untill your 1TB Hard drive Decides to not to work any
more.

You mean like some of my DVD-Rs have? And your BR-RE, which will probably
do the same. I have everything backed up on at least 2 drives. I have
nearly 7TB hanging off my main networked computer ;-)

Then you have a major problem with say all those home movies that were
on
it.

Ditto with the burnt discs.

Have been burning TDK discs now for over a month = 20 discs, no failures
and glorious 1080p quality.

We will have to see how you are getting on in 5-10 years time with them?
;-)

Discs are only $8.00 and well worth it.

When they get down to under A$2.00 I will be getting a burner.

Cheers Terry

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"TT" <TTencerNoS...@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
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Sorry for the cross posts but it is relevant to all groups.

Here we go again guys (and gals) as it's all about to change again.

seehttp://dvicosupport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=87#87

I just hope they nail all the compatibility and retro-fitting
problems
with this new standard.

BTW I am having issues right now with HDMI 1.2 and 1.3b
compatibility
from the same manufacturer! Sony should actually be one the ones
have
this nailed by now.

Cheers TT
Hi, TT. Does anyone have information on compatibility of home-burned
BluRay with players? I've heard it's not good.

Bob Morein
(310) 237-6511
While the price of the discs are so high I have no intention of
burning
BR at all (like most people). So basically a BR-RE disc holds 25GB and
at A$15 a disc that's 40discs/1TB or 25 x $15 = $375/TB. Here I can
pick up USB 1TB HDs for under A$200 so why would you bother? We wont
even talk about how much of a rip off 50GB discs are ;-)

So to answer your question: no one here cares as we find it easier and
cheaper to carry around 1TB USB drives with the HD media on.

Cheers TT
I did not realize they were so expensive, but you're right,
impractically
so.

Bob Morein
(310) 237-6511

Burnt data DVD's do fail, they also are a pain in the arse to burn
(take a long time and you have to keep changing discs, grouping files
to fit the available space per disc,  a pain in the arse to search
through to find a particular item, too much on them in many cases to
label them with contents, and after that - they DO fail over time.
You might only get one error per 25 discs or so, but if that wipes out
an entire HD movie(s) or something even more important - then thats
the end of it.

Even if you went to the extreme of reburning them onto new discs every
few years to keep "fresh" copies for archival purposes, not taking
into account the cost, there is enormous amount of time and effort
involved.  To transfer 1TB from one hard drive to another, takes a few
hours to do, but at least you can walk away and let it happen or do it
overnight, you dont have to stand there and change discs over every 10
min or so.

1 TB of DVD discs takes up a lot more physical space than a 1TB
drive.  Unless you can fit your movies EXACTLY into 4.3 G parts (to
fit a disc) you are going to waste a lot of space over all the discs,
if you can only use on average (say) 3-4G of each disc for a group of
files.

Even with 25GB discs - they would still take up more room than a 1TB
hard drive, and all the
above problems still apply.

Go for the hard drive (with backup), its a lot less hassle.

Have seen 1TB  SATA internal drives for around $125.  At that price
you can buy 2 of them and make 2 copies of important data then lock
one away as a backup "just in case".

By this time next year 2Tb drives will probably be that price, by then
your collection will probably have grown to fill one  

Burnable discs do have their place, they are great if you want to burn
a few GB of files,  to post or give to someone else.

 

[TT]

"john" <jgwatt@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
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You are all talking about 1TB hard drives etc,

Actually I started taliking about HDMI 1.4 ;-)

How the hell am I to send
friends in Japan or USA etc a high definition 1920 x 1080p
a copy of the
movies we took when were were visiting etc.

On a DVD-R as it is far more cost effective.

Another thing, If I want to watch a particular home movie
in our large
screen theatre am I supposed to chug all the computer and
bits in there. No
, of course not, I can simply take my blu ray disc in and
watch it

My media servers are networked so no need for that.

immediately or send a copy to friends etc.

If you are talking about 1-2hrs of HD video then BR-RE is a
viable option.

Off course I keep a master copy on HD.

Very wise. I also keep back up copies.

Cheers TT

John

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"globular" <self@there.invalid> wrote in message
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TT wrote:
Sorry for the cross posts but it is relevant to all
groups.

Here we go again guys (and gals) as it's all about to
change again.

see http://dvicosupport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=87#87

I just hope they nail all the compatibility and
retro-fitting problems with this new standard.

BTW I am having issues right now with HDMI 1.2 and 1.3b
compatibility from the same manufacturer! Sony should
actually be one the ones have this nailed by now.

Cheers TT
Data rates beyond 1080p? What do they have in mind?

I've heard mention the next HD will be 2160 (1080x2) and
3D so x 2 again! Probably why the article mentioned
something about 4k.

Cheers TT

 

[TT]

"KR" <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 9, 2:20 pm, "TT" <TTencerNoS...@westnet.com.au>
wrote:

For your home theatre - most modern DVD (& blu-ray?)
players
have a
USB input, with this
you can use an EXTERNAL USB hard drive, (under $200 for
1TB)
and play
your movies direct from that.
Saves the hassle if you are burning discs just to watch
them
a couple
of times.

Or stream it over the network through your media server or
PS3. That even saves on moving any hardware at all ;-)
Far, far more convenient.

Cheers TT

That is the best idea for the situation - as long as you
dont mind
buying the media server
(not that they are that expensive now)

I have a Beyonwiz DP-S1
http://www.beyonwiz.com.au/DP_S1_overview.asp which will do
only up to 1080i but I am very impressed with my new
Playstation 3 as it will do 1080p and will play BR ripped
files. It also has a far better media player interface as
well. The trick is to get the right software to run on your
home server ;-) BTW I should point out that the PS3 shits
all over the Beyonwiz as far as speed of file loading as
well plus you can be searching for a file while still
playing the current file (unless it is video)

BTW I never, ever thought that I would end up with a network
hub as part of my hi-fi set up ) PS3, Beyonwiz, BR
player and laptop that i use as a music server because of a
hi-end sound card and good DAC. Plus the rest of the family
can access all the files wirelessly as well.

Cheers TT

 

[Mr.T]

"F Murtz" <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4a2d0f90$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...

They may not drop as much. By that time people will probably be using
memory chips (usb or similar)
buying their music or videos on chips etc or electronically and carrying
them on chips. Wont need cd's dvd's etc

I can see BluRay disks dropping to $1 long before ~25GB memory sticks drop
to that price however.
Personally I see a continuing market for hard drives, memory sticks *and*
optical media for some time yet.
Further down the track things may well change however.

MrT.

 

[KR]

On Jun 9, 2:20 pm, "TT" <TTencerNoS...@westnet.com.au> wrote:

For your home theatre - most modern DVD (& blu-ray?) players
have a
USB input, with this
you can use an EXTERNAL USB hard drive, (under $200 for 1TB)
and play
your movies direct from that.
Saves the hassle if you are burning discs just to watch them
a couple
of times.

Or stream it over the network through your media server or
PS3.  That even saves on moving any hardware at all ;-)
Far, far more convenient.

Cheers TT

That is the best idea for the situation - as long as you dont mind
buying the media server
(not that they are that expensive now)

 

[atec 7 7]

Mr.T wrote:

"F Murtz" <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4a2d0f90$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
They may not drop as much. By that time people will probably be using
memory chips (usb or similar)
buying their music or videos on chips etc or electronically and carrying
them on chips. Wont need cd's dvd's etc

I can see BluRay disks dropping to $1 long before ~25GB memory sticks drop
to that price however.
Personally I see a continuing market for hard drives, memory sticks *and*
optical media for some time yet.
Further down the track things may well change however.

MrT.


I expect the "solid state" hard drive will become increasingly

affordable and very popular

 

[Sheet Face]

"john" <jgwatt@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
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<snip>

Another thing, If I want to watch a particular home movie in our large
screen theatre am I supposed to chug all the computer and bits in there.
No
, of course not, I can simply take my blu ray disc in and watch it
immediately or send a copy to friends etc.
Off course I keep a master copy on HD.

People still haven't got the idea of network media streamers have they?

You don't need Blu-Ray in this case.
If the file exists, stream it off to the TV using a cheap media streamer
i.e. a Mediagate, PS3 (not cheap), Xbox 360 etc etc - there's scores of them
out there.


I even saw a journalist reply to someone the other day, the question was
'How can I play the media files that are on my PC on my TV?"

The answer he gave ? "Get some long cables or lug the computer closer to the
TV"

good god ! - and this guy claimed to be a tech journalist !



D'grooter
--
##
The intelligent man wins his battles with pointed words. I'm sorry -- I
meant sticks. Pointed sticks.- Homer Simpson

 

[TT]

"atec 7 7" <"atec 77 "@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Mr.T wrote:
"F Murtz" <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4a2d0f90$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
They may not drop as much. By that time people will probably be using
memory chips (usb or similar)
buying their music or videos on chips etc or electronically and carrying
them on chips. Wont need cd's dvd's etc

I can see BluRay disks dropping to $1 long before ~25GB memory sticks
drop
to that price however.
Personally I see a continuing market for hard drives, memory sticks *and*
optical media for some time yet.
Further down the track things may well change however.

MrT.


I expect the "solid state" hard drive will become increasingly affordable
and very popular

No moving parts and you don't F*** 'em when you drop 'em ;-)

Cheers TT

 

[atec 7 7]

TT wrote:

"atec 7 7" <"atec 77 "@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:h0lbbk$a6q$1@news.eternal-september.org...
Mr.T wrote:
"F Murtz" <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4a2d0f90$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
They may not drop as much. By that time people will probably be using
memory chips (usb or similar)
buying their music or videos on chips etc or electronically and carrying
them on chips. Wont need cd's dvd's etc
I can see BluRay disks dropping to $1 long before ~25GB memory sticks
drop
to that price however.
Personally I see a continuing market for hard drives, memory sticks *and*
optical media for some time yet.
Further down the track things may well change however.

MrT.


I expect the "solid state" hard drive will become increasingly affordable
and very popular

No moving parts and you don't F*** 'em when you drop 'em ;-)

Cheers TT


they still break , seems apple users are still clueless

 

[Mr.T]

"atec 7 7" <"atec 77 "@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:h0lbbk$a6q$1@news.eternal-september.org...

I expect the "solid state" hard drive will become increasingly
affordable and very popular

Agreed, but now put a time frame on 25GB sticks dropping to $1?
Before blu-ray disks get there?
I doubt it!
And I won't hold my breathe for 1TB solid state drives to be cheaper than
magnetic Hard drives either. All will get bigger and cheaper for some time
before magnetic and optical media dies out completely IMO.

But you're still welcome to make your own choices in the mean time

MrT.

 

[atec 7 7]

Mr.T wrote:

"atec 7 7" <"atec 77 "@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:h0lbbk$a6q$1@news.eternal-september.org...
I expect the "solid state" hard drive will become increasingly
affordable and very popular

Agreed, but now put a time frame on 25GB sticks dropping to $1?
Before blu-ray disks get there?

they wont but I expect the organis drives to do so VERY quickly

I doubt it!
And I won't hold my breathe for 1TB solid state drives to be cheaper than
magnetic Hard drives either. All will get bigger and cheaper for some time
before magnetic and optical media dies out completely IMO.

But you're still welcome to make your own choices in the mean time
and yet again this arvo I bought another usb/1t drive for transporting

some movies

MrT.

 

[KR]

On Jun 11, 5:06 pm, "Mr.T" <MrT@home> wrote:

"atec 7 7" <"atec 77 "@hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:h0lbbk$a6q$1@news.eternal-september.org...

I expect the "solid state" hard drive will become increasingly
affordable and very popular

Agreed, but now put a time frame on 25GB sticks dropping to $1?
Before blu-ray disks get there?
I doubt it!

And I won't hold my breathe for 1TB solid state drives to be cheaper than
magnetic Hard drives either. All will get bigger and cheaper for some time
before magnetic and optical media dies out completely IMO.

But you're still welcome to make your own choices in the mean time

MrT.

Flash/USB drives won't drop below a particular retail price level (eg:
$9.95), but over time you will just get more and more GB for that
price level, and proportionally more at higher price levels (say $30,
$50 $100 $200 etc.).

Magnetic hard drives now start at about 80G minimum typically, at
about $50 or so new. External ones are a bit more, and more still if
you want laptop external ones.

They are by far the cheapest form of media currently on the market (in
the really large sizes)


I doubt that there is currently a USB / flash drive of that size
available retail, and would hate to see the price tag if there
was . biggest I could find in a quick search is 16 GB USB for
$50
or $75 for 16GB CF which is cheaper than I thought it would be.

 

[PaulR]

KR wrote:

Flash/USB drives won't drop below a particular retail price level (eg:
$9.95), but over time you will just get more and more GB for that
price level, and proportionally more at higher price levels (say $30,
$50 $100 $200 etc.).

Magnetic hard drives now start at about 80G minimum typically, at
about $50 or so new. External ones are a bit more, and more still if
you want laptop external ones.

They are by far the cheapest form of media currently on the market (in
the really large sizes)


I doubt that there is currently a USB / flash drive of that size
available retail, and would hate to see the price tag if there
was . biggest I could find in a quick search is 16 GB USB for
$50
or $75 for 16GB CF which is cheaper than I thought it would be.

I have a Corsair 32 GB USB flash drive for $159 and there's a 64 GB
version for $329. I bought it at CX computing. See
http://tinyurl.com/ncf5ya
Cheers

 

[Mr.T]

"atec 7 7" <"atec 77 "@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I expect the "solid state" hard drive will become increasingly
affordable and very popular

Agreed, but now put a time frame on 25GB sticks dropping to $1?
Before blu-ray disks get there?
they wont but I expect the organis drives to do so VERY quickly
I doubt it!
And I won't hold my breathe for 1TB solid state drives to be cheaper
than
magnetic Hard drives either. All will get bigger and cheaper for some
time
before magnetic and optical media dies out completely IMO.
But you're still welcome to make your own choices in the mean time

and yet again this arvo I bought another usb/1t drive for transporting
some movies

And inside was a standard magnetic hard disk drive I bet. NOT a solid state
hard drive you claim "will become increasingly popular".
So how exactly does that contradict what I said?

MrT.

 

[Mr.T]

"KR" <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote in message
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And I won't hold my breathe for 1TB solid state drives to be cheaper than
magnetic Hard drives either. All will get bigger and cheaper for some time
before magnetic and optical media dies out completely IMO.
But you're still welcome to make your own choices in the mean time
Flash/USB drives won't drop below a particular retail price level (eg:

$9.95), but over time you will just get more and more GB for that
price level, and proportionally more at higher price levels (say $30,
$50 $100 $200 etc.).
Magnetic hard drives now start at about 80G minimum typically, at
about $50 or so new. External ones are a bit more, and more still if
you want laptop external ones.
They are by far the cheapest form of media currently on the market (in
the really large sizes)
I doubt that there is currently a USB / flash drive of that size
available retail, and would hate to see the price tag if there
was . biggest I could find in a quick search is 16 GB USB for
$50 or $75 for 16GB CF which is cheaper than I thought it would be.

-----------------------------------

64 GB USB and SD cards are available *IF* you really want to pay that much.
But as I said, as flash media falls in price/increases in capacity, so too
will magnetic hard drives and optical disks.
It will be a while yet before they become cheaper per GB. In the meantime
they serve different purposes and all types still sell well.

MrT.

 

[Mr.T]

"PaulR" <dweebken@NOSPAM.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I have a Corsair 32 GB USB flash drive for $159 and there's a 64 GB
version for $329.

Yep, 64 GB for the price of a 2TB hard drive. Worthwhile for a number of
selective purposes I guess. But not for general storage as yet.

MrT.

 

[Arny Krueger]

"Mr.T" <MrT@home> wrote in message
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"atec 7 7" <"atec 77 "@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I expect the "solid state" hard drive will become increasingly
affordable and very popular

Agreed, but now put a time frame on 25GB sticks dropping to $1?

10 years?

 

[TT]

"Mr.T" <MrT@home> wrote in message
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"KR" <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote in message
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And I won't hold my breathe for 1TB solid state drives to
be cheaper than
magnetic Hard drives either. All will get bigger and
cheaper for some time
before magnetic and optical media dies out completely
IMO.
But you're still welcome to make your own choices in the
mean time
Flash/USB drives won't drop below a particular retail
price level (eg:
$9.95), but over time you will just get more and more GB
for that
price level, and proportionally more at higher price
levels (say $30,
$50 $100 $200 etc.).
Magnetic hard drives now start at about 80G minimum
typically, at
about $50 or so new. External ones are a bit more, and
more still if
you want laptop external ones.
They are by far the cheapest form of media currently on
the market (in
the really large sizes)
I doubt that there is currently a USB / flash drive of
that size
available retail, and would hate to see the price tag if
there
was . biggest I could find in a quick search is 16 GB
USB for
$50 or $75 for 16GB CF which is cheaper than I thought
it would be.

-----------------------------------

64 GB USB and SD cards are available *IF* you really want
to pay that much.
But as I said, as flash media falls in price/increases in
capacity, so too
will magnetic hard drives and optical disks.
It will be a while yet before they become cheaper per GB.
In the meantime
they serve different purposes and all types still sell
well.

MrT.

And to think in 1992 when I bought my first Acer 486

computer for nearly $4,000 it was an SX33 with a huge 160MB
HD (that died nearly straight away and was upgraded to
210MB) , extra 1MB of RAM to bring it up to 2MB and a 2x CD
drive that held data discs of a massive 640MB!!!! 3 times
the HD size. Ahhhh... them were the days ;-) And the
processor speed was so poor that it had trouble playing Doom
and using the chain gun! And I used to walk 20 miles to
school in the ice and snow, "lived in shoe box in middle of
road" and ....etc, etc ) )

Cheers TT

 

[Lord Garth]

"TT" <TTencerNoSpaM@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
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"Mr.T" <MrT@home> wrote in message
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"KR" <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote in message
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And I won't hold my breathe for 1TB solid state drives to be cheaper
than
magnetic Hard drives either. All will get bigger and cheaper for some
time
before magnetic and optical media dies out completely IMO.
But you're still welcome to make your own choices in the mean time
Flash/USB drives won't drop below a particular retail price level (eg:
$9.95), but over time you will just get more and more GB for that
price level, and proportionally more at higher price levels (say $30,
$50 $100 $200 etc.).
Magnetic hard drives now start at about 80G minimum typically, at
about $50 or so new. External ones are a bit more, and more still if
you want laptop external ones.
They are by far the cheapest form of media currently on the market (in
the really large sizes)
I doubt that there is currently a USB / flash drive of that size
available retail, and would hate to see the price tag if there
was . biggest I could find in a quick search is 16 GB USB for
$50 or $75 for 16GB CF which is cheaper than I thought it would be.

-----------------------------------

64 GB USB and SD cards are available *IF* you really want to pay that
much.
But as I said, as flash media falls in price/increases in capacity, so
too
will magnetic hard drives and optical disks.
It will be a while yet before they become cheaper per GB. In the meantime
they serve different purposes and all types still sell well.

MrT.

And to think in 1992 when I bought my first Acer 486 computer for nearly
$4,000 it was an SX33 with a huge 160MB HD (that died nearly straight away
and was upgraded to 210MB) , extra 1MB of RAM to bring it up to 2MB and a
2x CD drive that held data discs of a massive 640MB!!!! 3 times the HD
size. Ahhhh... them were the days ;-) And the processor speed was so
poor that it had trouble playing Doom and using the chain gun! And I used
to walk 20 miles to school in the ice and snow, "lived in shoe box in
middle of road" and ....etc, etc ) )

Cheers TT

Don't forget that the walk to and from school was uphill, BOTH ways!!!!