Guy Macon, do you have anything to contribute?

Rich Grise · May 20, 2004

Besides, "Please, please, puh-leeeeeeeze put %\~OT!@#$ in the
subject line, so I can filter out stuff that I can't otherwise
read the subject line of?"

Thanks,
Rich

Guy Macon · May 20, 2004

I will take your reaction as confirmation that you intend to undermine
my effort to make this newsgroup more usable. Because I know that one
person undermining the effort is enough to make it not work, I will now
stop trying. You "win".

I am still curious about your motives, though. Did I do something to
offend you somewhere along the line? Is it just that you object to
the idea of making it easy for users to use sci.electronics.design to
talk about electronics? Do you have a problem with a group of people
discussing an issue and trying to come up with a mutually agreeable
solution? Or do you have some other motive that I have not identified?

I don't expect a straight answer to the above questions from you, but
feel free to surprise me.

Ban · May 20, 2004

Guy Macon wrote:

I will take your reaction as confirmation that you intend to undermine
my effort to make this newsgroup more usable. Because I know that one
person undermining the effort is enough to make it not work, I will
now stop trying. You "win".

Guy,
what is this effort of yours all about? I didn't read your OP about the
desired improvements or how you want to achieve that.
But now you have already given up just because Rich mistyped the header or
what? You know he has that good stuff, so he enjoys making some fun with us,
don't take it too seriously, it is the same when Thompson had Italian Wine
and descibes the sunset in Arizona. :-(
And he has x-posted it to a 101NGs.
--
ciao Ban
Bordighera, Italy

Jim Thompson · May 20, 2004

On Thu, 20 May 2004 15:19:45 GMT, "Ban" <bansuri@web.de> wrote:

Guy Macon wrote:
I will take your reaction as confirmation that you intend to undermine
my effort to make this newsgroup more usable. Because I know that one
person undermining the effort is enough to make it not work, I will
now stop trying. You "win".

Guy,
what is this effort of yours all about? I didn't read your OP about the
desired improvements or how you want to achieve that.
But now you have already given up just because Rich mistyped the header or
what? You know he has that good stuff, so he enjoys making some fun with us,
don't take it too seriously, it is the same when Thompson had Italian Wine
and descibes the sunset in Arizona. :-(
And he has x-posted it to a 101NGs.

480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax

Guy Macon · May 20, 2004

Ban <bansuri@web.de> says...

Guy Macon wrote:
I will take your reaction as confirmation that you intend to undermine
my effort to make this newsgroup more usable. Because I know that one
person undermining the effort is enough to make it not work, I will
now stop trying. You "win".

Guy,
what is this effort of yours all about? I didn't read your OP about the
desired improvements or how you want to achieve that.

Here is the basic idea:

There are users of sci.electronics.design who want to read only about
electronics.

There are users of sci.electronics.design who want to read and post
about a wide variety of other topics.

I proposed a method that would make the newsgroup very usable for
both groups of users.

Simply add the string "[OT]" to the subject line of posts that are
not about electronics. It only takes a few people doing this - the
rest will just reply as always and the "[OT]" will propagate.

Those who wish to read about Osama, Smoking bans, Bush/Kerry, Abortion,
Gun Control, etc etc. can then just read as usual.

Those who wish to read only about electronics can filter out all posts
with [OT] in the title.

Alas, a single person who decides to sabotage the scheme can make it
unworkable. All it takes to sabotage the scheme is to remove the
"[OT]" string or to replace it with some other string such as "OT:",
"{Off-Topic]" or "[MOLOnT]:" Once a single person decides to
sabotage the scheme, the scheme fails. It appears that Rich has
decided for some unknown reason to sabotage the scheme.

But now you have already given up just because Rich mistyped the
header or what?

Yes. If Rich or anyone else decides to sabotage the scheme, there
is no point in pursuing it. For it to work we need a few people
who are helping, no people who are sabotaging, and the vast majority
ignoring the whole thing and just replying as usual.

I quit. Rich "wins".

Ban · May 20, 2004

Guy Macon wrote:

Those who wish to read only about electronics can filter out all posts
with [OT] in the title.

Alas, a single person who decides to sabotage the scheme can make it
unworkable. All it takes to sabotage the scheme is to remove the
"[OT]" string or to replace it with some other string such as "OT:",
"{Off-Topic]" or "[MOLOnT]:" Once a single person decides to
sabotage the scheme, the scheme fails. It appears that Rich has
decided for some unknown reason to sabotage the scheme.

But now you have already given up just because Rich mistyped the
header or what?

Yes. If Rich or anyone else decides to sabotage the scheme, there
is no point in pursuing it. For it to work we need a few people
who are helping, no people who are sabotaging, and the vast majority
ignoring the whole thing and just replying as usual.

I quit. Rich "wins".

But hasn't it been always like that, all these posts should be marked [OT].
If they aren't they will not be in future because all these trolls do not
make the effort to search for the square brackets on the keyboard and write
bad headers anyway.
You will never have success, you must be intelligent to understand this
already after the first reply.
Maybe you would be better off with the "on-topic" posts being marked [E] or
something, because these persons seem to be more manageable and do not mind
to obey some reasonable rules.
But then the newbies would have to learn this, so you have to post a
reminder every week. Or maybe in your signature like this "Apostrophe
Police". BTW was that also you? We all learned to use the apostrophe
rightly, I'm still grateful as a non English brought-up.
--
ciao Ban
Bordighera, Italy

Jim Thompson · May 20, 2004

On Thu, 20 May 2004 09:16:04 -0700, Guy Macon
<http://www.guymacon.com> wrote:

Ban <bansuri@web.de> says...

Guy Macon wrote:
I will take your reaction as confirmation that you intend to undermine
my effort to make this newsgroup more usable. Because I know that one
person undermining the effort is enough to make it not work, I will
now stop trying. You "win".

Guy,
what is this effort of yours all about? I didn't read your OP about the
desired improvements or how you want to achieve that.

Here is the basic idea:

There are users of sci.electronics.design who want to read only about
electronics.

Though this group includes "design" in its name, in reality there is a
paucity of "design" topics seen here.

Most of what you might call on-topic are things like "I can't get my
stereo to work" or "Distortion from audio power amp", things that
belong in sci.electronics.basic because the posters haven't yet
reached the level of analyzing/solving on paper... they're hackers
with no actual training/knowledge in electronics.

There are users of sci.electronics.design who want to read and post
about a wide variety of other topics.

Yep, We DESIGNERS hang out here and like to use this as a chat room
;-)

I proposed a method that would make the newsgroup very usable for
both groups of users.

Simply add the string "[OT]" to the subject line of posts that are
not about electronics. It only takes a few people doing this - the
rest will just reply as always and the "[OT]" will propagate.

I have no problem with your suggestion, I've been using "[OT]" since
you proposed it, although it does look as if there's a syntactical
problem... Agent removes the brackets.

Those who wish to read about Osama, Smoking bans, Bush/Kerry, Abortion,
Gun Control, etc etc. can then just read as usual.

Of course WE will.

Those who wish to read only about electronics can filter out all posts
with [OT] in the title.

Of course YOU can. Of course you may have a problem actually finding
any electronics on this group.

Alas, a single person who decides to sabotage the scheme can make it
unworkable. All it takes to sabotage the scheme is to remove the
"[OT]" string or to replace it with some other string such as "OT:",
"{Off-Topic]" or "[MOLOnT]:" Once a single person decides to
sabotage the scheme, the scheme fails. It appears that Rich has
decided for some unknown reason to sabotage the scheme.

But now you have already given up just because Rich mistyped the
header or what?

Yes. If Rich or anyone else decides to sabotage the scheme, there
is no point in pursuing it. For it to work we need a few people
who are helping, no people who are sabotaging, and the vast majority
ignoring the whole thing and just replying as usual.

I quit. Rich "wins".

480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax

Frank Bemelman · May 20, 2004

"Guy Macon" <http://www.guymacon.com> schreef in bericht
news:WuKdncm-pN4vRDHdRVn-tA@speakeasy.net...

Ban <bansuri@web.de> says...

Guy Macon wrote:
I will take your reaction as confirmation that you intend to undermine
my effort to make this newsgroup more usable. Because I know that one
person undermining the effort is enough to make it not work, I will
now stop trying. You "win".

Guy,
what is this effort of yours all about? I didn't read your OP about the
desired improvements or how you want to achieve that.

Here is the basic idea:

There are users of sci.electronics.design who want to read only about
electronics.

There are users of sci.electronics.design who want to read and post
about a wide variety of other topics.

I proposed a method that would make the newsgroup very usable for
both groups of users.

Simply add the string "[OT]" to the subject line of posts that are
not about electronics. It only takes a few people doing this - the
rest will just reply as always and the "[OT]" will propagate.

Those who wish to read about Osama, Smoking bans, Bush/Kerry, Abortion,
Gun Control, etc etc. can then just read as usual.

Those who wish to read only about electronics can filter out all posts
with [OT] in the title.

Alas, a single person who decides to sabotage the scheme can make it
unworkable. All it takes to sabotage the scheme is to remove the
"[OT]" string or to replace it with some other string such as "OT:",
"{Off-Topic]" or "[MOLOnT]:" Once a single person decides to
sabotage the scheme, the scheme fails. It appears that Rich has
decided for some unknown reason to sabotage the scheme.

But now you have already given up just because Rich mistyped the
header or what?

Yes. If Rich or anyone else decides to sabotage the scheme, there
is no point in pursuing it. For it to work we need a few people
who are helping, no people who are sabotaging, and the vast majority
ignoring the whole thing and just replying as usual.

I quit. Rich "wins".

But you are still reading a thread for which you added [OT] to
the topic. Hmm.

Yesterday you asked me to add [OT] which I did. I have no problem
with adding [OT] and I will try to remember it when the situation
calls for, but I may make a mistake

Keep up the good work!

--
Thanks, Frank.
(remove 'x' and 'invalid' when replying by email)

Frank Bemelman · May 20, 2004

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> schreef in bericht
news:tenpa01d7525hph9f1uhn7vdn0j88botad@4ax.com...

Yep, We DESIGNERS hang out here and like to use this as a chat room
;-)

And *PLONK* as you feel fit.

Shove your lectures up your own ass.

--
Thanks, Frank.
(remove 'x' and 'invalid' when replying by email)

Terry Pinnell · May 20, 2004

Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

Though this group includes "design" in its name, in reality there is a
paucity of "design" topics seen here.

Most of what you might call on-topic are things like "I can't get my
stereo to work" or "Distortion from audio power amp", things that
belong in sci.electronics.basic because the posters haven't yet
reached the level of analyzing/solving on paper... they're hackers
with no actual training/knowledge in electronics.

From anyone else that would be incredibly breathtaking arrogance! But
from you it's now almost expected.

There are users of sci.electronics.design who want to read and post
about a wide variety of other topics.

Yep, We DESIGNERS hang out here and like to use this as a chat room
;-)

I doubt if you even begin to realise just how patronisingly pompous
and boring you sound.

--
Terry Pinnell
Hobbyist, West Sussex, UK

Jim Thompson · May 20, 2004

On Thu, 20 May 2004 23:45:10 +0100, Terry Pinnell
<terrypinDELETE@THISdial.pipex.com> wrote:

Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

Though this group includes "design" in its name, in reality there is a
paucity of "design" topics seen here.

Most of what you might call on-topic are things like "I can't get my
stereo to work" or "Distortion from audio power amp", things that
belong in sci.electronics.basic because the posters haven't yet
reached the level of analyzing/solving on paper... they're hackers
with no actual training/knowledge in electronics.

From anyone else that would be incredibly breathtaking arrogance! But
from you it's now almost expected.

You poor twit... from your "Distortion from audio power amp" post it's
clear you can't even CALCULATE the output bias point or the quiescent
current. I'm not sure you can even manage Ohm's Law.

There are users of sci.electronics.design who want to read and post
about a wide variety of other topics.

Yep, We DESIGNERS hang out here and like to use this as a chat room
;-)

I doubt if you even begin to realise just how patronisingly pompous
and boring you sound.

Too bad. Though that was said in humor (note the smiley), I could
care less what you think of me. You are clearly MASSIVELY ignorant...
even called me a bigot... you don't even know the definition.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice

480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax

Al Borowski · May 21, 2004

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Thu, 20 May 2004 23:45:10 +0100, Terry Pinnell
terrypinDELETE@THISdial.pipex.com> wrote:

Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

Though this group includes "design" in its name, in reality there is a
paucity of "design" topics seen here.

Most of what you might call on-topic are things like "I can't get my
stereo to work" or "Distortion from audio power amp", things that
belong in sci.electronics.basic because the posters haven't yet
reached the level of analyzing/solving on paper... they're hackers
with no actual training/knowledge in electronics.

From anyone else that would be incredibly breathtaking arrogance! But
from you it's now almost expected.

You poor twit... from your "Distortion from audio power amp" post it's
clear you can't even CALCULATE the output bias point or the quiescent
current. I'm not sure you can even manage Ohm's Law.

On the other hand, didn't you ask how to get into simple
microcontrollers a while back? Thats first/second year university stuff
these days

I'm not trying to start an arguement, but everyone has some area in this
huge field where they lack experience. I read this group primilary to
learn more.

cheers,

Al

Guy Macon · May 21, 2004

Terry Pinnell <terrypinDELETE@THISdial.pipex.com> says...

...incredibly breathtaking arrogance...

...patronisingly pompous and boring...

I would prefer that my name not be in the subject of the
flame war that is starting here...

Guy Macon · May 21, 2004

Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> says...

...You poor twit...
...you can't even CALCULATE...
...I'm not sure you can even manage Ohm's Law....
...clearly MASSIVELY ignorant...

I would prefer that my name not be in the title of the
flame war that is starting here.

Jim Thompson · May 21, 2004

On Thu, 20 May 2004 18:10:09 -0700, Guy Macon
<http://www.guymacon.com> wrote:

Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> says...

...You poor twit...
...you can't even CALCULATE...
...I'm not sure you can even manage Ohm's Law....
...clearly MASSIVELY ignorant...

I would prefer that my name not be in the title of the
flame war that is starting here.

480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax

Jim Thompson · May 21, 2004

On Fri, 21 May 2004 11:12:47 +1000, Al Borowski
<aj.borowski@erasethis.student.qut.edu.au> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Thu, 20 May 2004 23:45:10 +0100, Terry Pinnell
terrypinDELETE@THISdial.pipex.com> wrote:

Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

Though this group includes "design" in its name, in reality there is a
paucity of "design" topics seen here.

Most of what you might call on-topic are things like "I can't get my
stereo to work" or "Distortion from audio power amp", things that
belong in sci.electronics.basic because the posters haven't yet
reached the level of analyzing/solving on paper... they're hackers
with no actual training/knowledge in electronics.

From anyone else that would be incredibly breathtaking arrogance! But
from you it's now almost expected.

You poor twit... from your "Distortion from audio power amp" post it's
clear you can't even CALCULATE the output bias point or the quiescent
current. I'm not sure you can even manage Ohm's Law.

On the other hand, didn't you ask how to get into simple
microcontrollers a while back? Thats first/second year university stuff
these days

I'm not trying to start an arguement, but everyone has some area in this
huge field where they lack experience. I read this group primilary to
learn more.

cheers,

Al

My point is VERY few of the posts have anything to do with DESIGN.

My uP POST inquired as to WHERE was the best place to start acquiring
uP skills. I didn't fire one up without even a clue as to how to
understand what my meter was telling me.

I'll be programming a uP way before Pinnell will be able to design a
simple audio amplifier ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice

480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax

Guy Macon · May 21, 2004

Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> says...

My point is VERY few of the posts have anything to do with DESIGN.

I figure that just segregating the posts about smoking and Osama is
tough enough.

I'll be programming a uP way before Pinnell will be able to design a
simple audio amplifier ;-)

I would prefer that my name not be in the subject line of the flame
war that is starting.

Frank Bemelman · May 21, 2004

"Guy Macon" <http://www.guymacon.com> schreef in bericht
news:KvWdnWKeSr55yzDdRVn-hg@speakeasy.net...

Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> says...

...You poor twit...
...you can't even CALCULATE...
...I'm not sure you can even manage Ohm's Law....
...clearly MASSIVELY ignorant...

I would prefer that my name not be in the title of the
flame war that is starting here.

Hey, we do the OT thing already. You can't have everything

--
Thanks, Frank.
(remove 'x' and 'invalid' when replying by email)

Frank Bemelman · May 21, 2004

"Guy Macon" <http://www.guymacon.com> schreef in bericht
news:KvWdnWOeSr7ByzDdRVn-hg@speakeasy.net...

Terry Pinnell <terrypinDELETE@THISdial.pipex.com> says...

...incredibly breathtaking arrogance...

...patronisingly pompous and boring...

I would prefer that my name not be in the subject of the
flame war that is starting here...

Seems like you are the one that is starting a flame war.
If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. If
it really bothers you, just post under an alias, like
John Dyson...

I've added an extra [OT] for you

--
Thanks, Frank.
(remove 'x' and 'invalid' when replying by email)

Guy Macon · May 21, 2004

Frank Bemelman <f.bemelmanx@planet.invalid.nl> says...

You can't have everything

Where would I put it?

Guy Macon, do you have anything to contribute?

Rich Grise

Guest

Guy Macon

Guest

Ban

Guest

Jim Thompson

Guest

Guy Macon

Guest

Ban

Guest

Jim Thompson

Guest

Frank Bemelman

Guest

Frank Bemelman

Guest

Terry Pinnell

Guest

Jim Thompson

Guest

Al Borowski

Guest

Guy Macon

Guest

Guy Macon

Guest

Jim Thompson

Guest

Jim Thompson

Guest

Guy Macon

Guest

Frank Bemelman

Guest

Frank Bemelman

Guest

Guy Macon

Guest

Log in

Welcome to EDABoard.com

Sponsor