Greenland's ice sheet just lost 11 billion tons of ice -- in

On Friday, August 2, 2019 at 11:21:59 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 3 Aug 2019 01:36:28 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> wrote in
news:gae9ke9rhlpe0pc6okkljoh7a1pd0orsv2@4ax.com:

So I can ski all year.



At -100°C with 100mph winds virtually everywhere, and not much on
topography either. Doesn't sound like fun. If it would even be
possible at all.

We will not fare well if we end up in another ice age, and if that
happens, the Earth will likely stay frozen that way.

We're currently late into a warm interglacial.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ice_Age_Temperature.png

The usual state of Earth is ice age.

No it's not. It's now known ice ages corresponded to huge tectonic plate upheavals creating massive mountain chain formations that absorbed CO2 from the atmosphere. Although a possibility this kind of thing may still occur, it's outside the timescale of mankind's permanent extinction, way outside.

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On Friday, August 2, 2019 at 3:10:54 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

On 8/2/19 3:06 PM, Winfield Hill wrote:
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/02/world/greenland-ice-sheet-11-billion-intl/index.html



nice work floodin' the planet shit head arrogant boomerz

Don't forget to thank them for all those muddle headed progeny too. Seems they couldn't do anything right.

 

[John Robertson]

On 2019/08/03 3:01 p.m., bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Friday, August 2, 2019 at 3:06:32 PM UTC-4, Winfield Hill wrote:
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/02/world/greenland-ice-sheet-11-billion-intl/index.html


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Thanks,
- Win

Wadhams is projecting an ice free arctic by mid-September of this year based on an extrapolation of the current rate of decline and a bunch of other un-quantifiables that are seriously damaging and known to be happening:

Waghams predicting an ice-free arctic is not new news.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7139797.stm

He has been saying it is imminent his entire career. There is a name for
people like that...

John

 

On Sat, 3 Aug 2019 15:01:44 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Friday, August 2, 2019 at 3:06:32 PM UTC-4, Winfield Hill wrote:
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/02/world/greenland-ice-sheet-11-billion-intl/index.html


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Thanks,
- Win

Wadhams is projecting an ice free arctic by mid-September of this year based on an extrapolation of the current rate of decline and a bunch of other un-quantifiables that are seriously damaging and known to be happening:

I am waiting for ice free Arctic Ocean i.e. that we finally get rid of
multi-year ice that seems to cause excitement in alarmists.

When the ice melts every summer, we can start betting when the first
new ice appears and about the date in the summer, when all ice has
gone.

If the ice is gone this year at mid-September, that is about the last
possible date, since the sun sets permanently on the pole at end of
September.

 

[whit3rd]

On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 4:10:04 PM UTC-7, John Robertson wrote:

> Waghams predicting an ice-free arctic is not new news.

Prediction is NEVER news. Recent, or current, reports are news. Prediciton
happens in advance, with healthy error margins. Wadhams is probably right; arctic exploration has been
very heated this last decade, too.

 

[whit3rd]

On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 12:35:57 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 3 Aug 2019 04:16:37 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com
wrote:

On Friday, August 2, 2019 at 5:29:19 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

As we keep installing instruments, many of them badly sited and badly
maintained, of course we will keep setting records.

With more stations reporting, the averages are LESS noisy than with few reporting,
not more noisy. Learn statistical thinking, or provide some kind of argument
for 'setting records' that relates to reality in a rational premises-and-logic fashion.

The alarmist newspapers report single-site peaks as "record"
temperatures.

Why are you reading 'alarmist mewspapers', then? It's annual
averages that have the serious thinkers concerned, it's THOSE record temperatures
that deserve discussion.

Never toss in dreck reports with the good stuff, because guilt by association is
not an acceptible premises-and-logic argument. It's just a lame excuse for an argument.

> And urbanization makes the averages go up, too.

Nonsense, the monitored stations are well mapped, and crosscheck well with
other (satellite) sources. Daily excursions might be different in multiple
places, but that's why you wabt scattered stations. You don't concentrate
survey readings on concrete just because news reports feature 'em.

Truckee use to often, in the summer, have the record low temp in the
lower 48. But there is a new weather station at Boca Reservoir, a few
miles away, and now it wins.

https://www.campsitephotos.com/photo/camp/95975/Boca_Weather_Station_-_Location_of_Californias_lowest_all_time_temperature_-45_F.jpg

So? That's not inaccuracy, it's airflow pushing up a mountain (adiabatic
cooling, the familiar expanding-gas refrigeration effect). Is it intended
to be an argument? Is it intended to be a lame excuse for an argument?

 

[Cursitor Doom]

On Sun, 04 Aug 2019 02:10:54 +0300, upsidedown wrote:

I am waiting for ice free Arctic Ocean i.e. that we finally get rid of
multi-year ice that seems to cause excitement in alarmists.

Getting permanently rid of the Arctic ice also has the added advantage of
permitting shorter sea routes between China and Europe, thereby cutting
carbon emissions from freighters and tankers.




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[whit3rd]

On Sunday, August 4, 2019 at 2:29:31 AM UTC-7, Cursitor Doom wrote:

Getting permanently rid of the Arctic ice also has the added advantage of
permitting shorter sea routes between China and Europe, thereby cutting
carbon emissions from freighters and tankers.

Alas, it also increases carbon emissions from warships in the
now-competitive Alaska/Canada/Russia/Norway economic zones.
Ships never used to have to patrol those waters, though nuclear
subs did excursions from time to time.

 

[John Larkin]

On Sun, 4 Aug 2019 09:29:27 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<curd@notformail.com> wrote:

On Sun, 04 Aug 2019 02:10:54 +0300, upsidedown wrote:

I am waiting for ice free Arctic Ocean i.e. that we finally get rid of
multi-year ice that seems to cause excitement in alarmists.

Getting permanently rid of the Arctic ice also has the added advantage of
permitting shorter sea routes between China and Europe, thereby cutting
carbon emissions from freighters and tankers.

And it keeps greenie climate-change cruise ships from getting stuck in
the ice.

 

[John Doe]

To a scientist that is meaningless without a reference.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Tuesday, August 6, 2019 at 10:25:14 AM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
> To a scientist that is meaningless without a reference.

Demonstrating that John Doe isn't a scientist - he hasn't included any reference to what he was talking about.

By going to eternal september I could work out that he was responding to Win's original post, which links to a CNN page. That doesn't provide a link to actual scientific results, but rather a press release that anticipates some results that were due to be released yesterday, by the Copernicus Climate Change Programme.

John Doe could have googled the Copernicus Climate Change program.

https://climate-adapt.eea.europa.eu/news-archive

It isn't all that helpful, but it's definitely the kind of reference that John
Doe was asking for.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:qiahd4$j3e$1
@dont-email.me:

To a scientist that is meaningless without a reference.

Without a proper Usenet referenced post quote included, your post
is meaningless... to everyone. Not a full post quote... just the
part you are replying to.

You are so hep on looking at the message headers.

Hey... boy! Why don't you try reading up on Usenet posting
conventions, because you still have yet to hit the mark.

And let us know when you become a scientist.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Tuesday, August 6, 2019 at 8:59:45 PM UTC+10, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:qiahd4$j3e$1
@dont-email.me:

To a scientist that is meaningless without a reference.


Without a proper Usenet referenced post quote included, your post
is meaningless... to everyone. Not a full post quote... just the
part you are replying to.

You are so hep on looking at the message headers.

Hey... boy! Why don't you try reading up on Usenet posting
conventions, because you still have yet to hit the mark.

And let us know when you become a scientist.

The best he could do would be to tell us when he'd thought that he'd become a scientist, which wouldn't be all that helpful.

Somebody with an actual chance of becoming a scientist would tell us why he thought that he'd become a scientist if and when he thought that he'd become a scientist, but John Doe isn't that kind of informant.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Rick C]

On Friday, August 2, 2019 at 3:06:32 PM UTC-4, Winfield Hill wrote:
> https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/02/world/greenland-ice-sheet-11-billion-intl/index.html

Climate change denialist like to cherry pick data. I remember once when a guy who was a big wig at the weather channel made a video to show how recent temperatures had leveled off. But he had done no analysis on the data, he simply took the temperature curve and drew a level line on it without any indication that line had anything to do with the data! If you looked carefully, you could see an increasing trend in the data. I'm sure a linear regression would have shown a level line was not the right data.

Here is a temperature graph I like.

https://xkcd.com/1732/

I think it shows the problem very clearly.

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[Rick C]

On Friday, August 9, 2019 at 10:59:08 PM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in news:88d67f45-9332-
41d6-8887-b67bcc85399b@googlegroups.com:

Here is a temperature graph I like.

https://xkcd.com/1732/

I think it shows the problem very clearly.

Pretty good.

I like the little historical timeline reference too.

I think that is the point. He takes you on a trip of time and only at the very end does anything significant happen to the temperature... significant in the sense of clearly an aberration compared to any other global temperature change.

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Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in news:88d67f45-9332-
41d6-8887-b67bcc85399b@googlegroups.com:

Here is a temperature graph I like.

https://xkcd.com/1732/

I think it shows the problem very clearly.

Pretty good.

I like the little historical timeline reference too.