Ford eating its own to feed EVs...

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 11:55:25 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 9:43:45 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 2:03:15 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
Ford is firing 3000 engineers and designers to help pay for EV expansion:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ford-confirms-layoffs-says-it-is-cutting-about-3-000-jobs-primarily-in-u-s-and-canada-11661180161?mod=hp_lead_pos2
\"He (CEO Ford) has said profits from its lineup of gas and diesel-engine vehicles will help fund the transition, but that part of the business must operate more efficiently.\"

Obviously EVs are not profitable now do to low sales and very high development costs, but cannibalizing the profitable part of the business is a very bad idea.

The handwriting is on the wall: the internal combustion engine will be banned from all new car sales nationwide, if not worldwide, in about three years. The auto industry conversion to EV has to be done, it might as well be now as later.
Aircraft and boats will be next.
Violators will be sentenced to hard labor planting trees.

No, you THINK it is.

We know it is. You are too stupid to have got the message,

> The actual handwriting on the wall is this greening of the economy will produce a severe backlash.

Not as severe as the backlash to the degradation of the environment which we are already experiencing which is getting progressively worse.

> When you tell a single mom with 3 kids that she has to junk her perfectly good ICE car and buy a $70k electric when she is only earning $20/hr she will REVOLT. Now, multiply that by ONE HUNDRED MILLION!

She\'s more likely to revolt against the social system that is only paying her $20/hr.

The USA goes in for remarkably high levels of economic inequality. Other advanced industrial countries don\'t. People like Bernie Sanders have pointed out that the US would work rather better if it adjusted it\'s social arrangements to look more like those in Sweden, Germany and the Netherlands.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Flyguy]

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 8:38:24 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:

On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 12:43:08 PM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 09:43:41 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 2:03:15 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
Ford is firing 3000 engineers and designers to help pay for EV expansion:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ford-confirms-layoffs-says-it-is-cutting-about-3-000-jobs-primarily-in-u-s-and-canada-11661180161?mod=hp_lead_pos2
\"He (CEO Ford) has said profits from its lineup of gas and diesel-engine vehicles will help fund the transition, but that part of the business must operate more efficiently.\"

Obviously EVs are not profitable now do to low sales and very high development costs, but cannibalizing the profitable part of the business is a very bad idea.

The handwriting is on the wall: the internal combustion engine will be banned from all new car sales nationwide, if not worldwide, in about three years.

Hilarious.
John Larkin is easily amused.
The auto industry conversion to EV has to be done, it might as well be now as later.
Aircraft and boats will be next.

Aircraft? Short flights with no passengers maybe.
Short flights do seem to be whats on offer. Passengers are perfectly practical.

\"Practical?\" They are NECESSARY for commercial flight!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_aircraft

\"A demonstrator for the German Scylax E10 10-seater should fly in 2022. It should be used by FLN Frisia Luftverkehr to connect East Frisian islands with its 300 km (160 nmi) range and 300 m (980 ft) short takeoff and landing distance.\"

WOW! Let\'s see, how far will 160nmi will get you out of NY? OOPS! Just to NJ!! Might as well drive!!!

 

[Flyguy]

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 9:07:14 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 8:38:24 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 12:43:08 PM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 09:43:41 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 2:03:15 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
Ford is firing 3000 engineers and designers to help pay for EV expansion:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ford-confirms-layoffs-says-it-is-cutting-about-3-000-jobs-primarily-in-u-s-and-canada-11661180161?mod=hp_lead_pos2
\"He (CEO Ford) has said profits from its lineup of gas and diesel-engine vehicles will help fund the transition, but that part of the business must operate more efficiently.\"

Obviously EVs are not profitable now do to low sales and very high development costs, but cannibalizing the profitable part of the business is a very bad idea.

The handwriting is on the wall: the internal combustion engine will be banned from all new car sales nationwide, if not worldwide, in about three years.

Hilarious.
John Larkin is easily amused.
The auto industry conversion to EV has to be done, it might as well be now as later.
Aircraft and boats will be next.

Aircraft? Short flights with no passengers maybe.
Short flights do seem to be whats on offer. Passengers are perfectly practical.
\"Practical?\" They are NECESSARY for commercial flight!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_aircraft

\"A demonstrator for the German Scylax E10 10-seater should fly in 2022. It should be used by FLN Frisia Luftverkehr to connect East Frisian islands with its 300 km (160 nmi) range and 300 m (980 ft) short takeoff and landing distance.\"
WOW! Let\'s see, how far will 160nmi will get you out of NY? OOPS! Just to NJ!! Might as well drive!!!

I forgot to mention that commercial flights require 30 min of fuel (OOPS, battery capacity) to fly to an alternate airport, 45 min in IFR weather (Bozo doesn\'t know anything about this as the closest he has gotten to a pilot is a gas water heater!). This would cut the range AT LEAST in half!

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 2:04:05 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 8:33:40 PM UTC-7, Mike Monett VE3BTI wrote:
John Larkin <jla...@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 09:43:41 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 2:03:15 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:

<snip>

3. World\'s first commercial electric plane completes point-to-point flight

https://newatlas.com/aircraft/worlds-first-commercial-electric-plane-
harbour-air/

So, you will be traveling cross country by train, and forget about going to Europe (even by ship).

High speed trains running between city centres are faster than planes for short trips.

Put in an evacuated trans-Atlantic tunnel - Elon Musk\'s hyper-loop writ large - and planes become obsolete.

4. Electric Planes Are Coming Sooner Than You Think

Electric aviation is no flight of fancy: Leading airlines like United and EasyJet are onboard as early adopters, with the first U.S. commercial routes slated for 2026.

HA HA HA HA! Do a back of the envelop calculation of how many kg of batteries it will take to fly a 737 coast to coast.

Gnatguy is still doing his calculations on the back of an envelope. The 737 is a relatively short range airliner - why would you want to fly it coast to coat anyway?

https://www.afar.com/magazine/electric-planes-are-coming-sooner-than-you- think

A huge investment in batteries is paying off:

5. NEW Sodium solid state batteries could solve our lithium crisis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b63e-Om1Zz0

Get back to me when you can actually buy one.

Don\'t bother. Gnatguy would just cone up with some other fatuous excuse.

<snip>

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 2:07:14 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 8:38:24 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 12:43:08 PM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 09:43:41 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 2:03:15 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:

<snip>

Hilarious.

John Larkin is easily amused.

The auto industry conversion to EV has to be done, it might as well be now as later.
Aircraft and boats will be next.

Aircraft? Short flights with no passengers maybe.

Short flights do seem to be whats on offer. Passengers are perfectly practical.

\"Practical?\" They are NECESSARY for commercial flight!

Not really - other forms of freight can be used to generate revenue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_aircraft

\"A demonstrator for the German Scylax E10 10-seater should fly in 2022. It should be used by FLN Frisia Luftverkehr to connect East Frisian islands with its 300 km (160 nmi) range and 300 m (980 ft) short takeoff and landing distance.\"

WOW! Let\'s see, how far will 160nmi will get you out of NY? OOPS! Just to NJ!! Might as well drive!!!

Or take the train, at least when the US graduates to high-speed trains.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Flyguy]

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 9:19:52 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:

On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 2:04:05 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 8:33:40 PM UTC-7, Mike Monett VE3BTI wrote:
John Larkin <jla...@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 09:43:41 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 2:03:15 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
snip
3. World\'s first commercial electric plane completes point-to-point flight

https://newatlas.com/aircraft/worlds-first-commercial-electric-plane-
harbour-air/

So, you will be traveling cross country by train, and forget about going to Europe (even by ship).

High speed trains running between city centres are faster than planes for short trips.

And how does that work for countries like the US (forget about OZ)? The cost of high-speed rail has never been competitive with air travel, which, if you haven\'t noticed, doesn\'t have to pay for thousands of miles of airways.

Put in an evacuated trans-Atlantic tunnel - Elon Musk\'s hyper-loop writ large - and planes become obsolete.

LOL! It\'s no wonder that people LAUGH AT YOU!!!

4. Electric Planes Are Coming Sooner Than You Think

Electric aviation is no flight of fancy: Leading airlines like United and EasyJet are onboard as early adopters, with the first U.S. commercial routes slated for 2026.

HA HA HA HA! Do a back of the envelop calculation of how many kg of batteries it will take to fly a 737 coast to coast.
Gnatguy is still doing his calculations on the back of an envelope. The 737 is a relatively short range airliner - why would you want to fly it coast to coat anyway?

Hey Bozo, are you TOO STUPID to do this calculation? It really isn\'t that hard.

https://www.afar.com/magazine/electric-planes-are-coming-sooner-than-you- think

A huge investment in batteries is paying off:

5. NEW Sodium solid state batteries could solve our lithium crisis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b63e-Om1Zz0

Get back to me when you can actually buy one.
Don\'t bother. Gnatguy would just cone up with some other fatuous excuse.

Translation: these batteries won\'t be available in our lifetimes. BTW, \"come\" IS NOT spelled \"cone!\"

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 2:13:14 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 9:07:14 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 8:38:24 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 12:43:08 PM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 09:43:41 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 2:03:15 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
Ford is firing 3000 engineers and designers to help pay for EV expansion:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ford-confirms-layoffs-says-it-is-cutting-about-3-000-jobs-primarily-in-u-s-and-canada-11661180161?mod=hp_lead_pos2
\"He (CEO Ford) has said profits from its lineup of gas and diesel-engine vehicles will help fund the transition, but that part of the business must operate more efficiently.\"

Obviously EVs are not profitable now do to low sales and very high development costs, but cannibalizing the profitable part of the business is a very bad idea.

The handwriting is on the wall: the internal combustion engine will be banned from all new car sales nationwide, if not worldwide, in about three years.

Hilarious.

John Larkin is easily amused.

The auto industry conversion to EV has to be done, it might as well be now as later.
Aircraft and boats will be next.

Aircraft? Short flights with no passengers maybe.

Short flights do seem to be whats on offer. Passengers are perfectly practical.

\"Practical?\" They are NECESSARY for commercial flight!

Gnatguy hasn\'t heard about freight,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_aircraft

\"A demonstrator for the German Scylax E10 10-seater should fly in 2022. It should be used by FLN Frisia Luftverkehr to connect East Frisian islands with its 300 km (160 nmi) range and 300 m (980 ft) short takeoff and landing distance.\"

WOW! Let\'s see, how far will 160nmi will get you out of NY? OOPS! Just to NJ!! Might as well drive!!!

Driving over water doesn\'t work all that well.

> I forgot to mention that commercial flights require 30 min of fuel (OOPS, battery capacity) to fly to an alternate airport, 45 min in IFR weather (Bill doesn\'t know anything about this as the closest he has gotten to a pilot is a gas water heater!). This would cut the range AT LEAST in half!

Back when I read Aviation week regularly they didn\'t make any fuss about it, but it is a cliche of commercial aviation, and I have known about it since I was a kid growing up in Tasmania and getting flown over to the mainland from time. I\'m sure Frisia Luftverkehr knows about it too. We went there with our car and took the ferry back in the 1990\'s. It wasn\'t all that quick..

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 20 Sep 2022 03:33:32 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett VE3BTI
<spamme@not.com> wrote:

John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 09:43:41 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 2:03:15 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
Ford is firing 3000 engineers and designers to help pay for EV
expansion:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ford-confirms-layoffs-says-it-is-cutting-a
bout-3-000-jobs-primarily-in-u-s-and-canada-11661180161?mod=hp_lead_pos
2 \"He (CEO Ford) has said profits from its lineup of gas and
diesel-engine vehicles will help fund the transition, but that part of
the business must operate more efficiently.\"

Obviously EVs are not profitable now do to low sales and very high
development costs, but cannibalizing the profitable part of the
business is a very bad idea.

The handwriting is on the wall: the internal combustion engine will be
banned from all new car sales nationwide, if not worldwide, in about
three years.

Hilarious.

The auto industry conversion to EV has to be done, it might as well be
now as later. Aircraft and boats will be next.

Aircraft? Short flights with no passengers maybe.

1. California, the country’s most populous state and the center of U.S. car
culture, is banning the sale of new gasoline-powered vehicles starting in
2035, marking a historic step in the state’s battle against climate change.

The rule, issued by the California Air Resources Board on Thursday, will
force automakers to speed up production of cleaner vehicles beginning in
2026 until sales of only zero-emission cars, pickup trucks and SUVs are
allowed in the state.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/25/california-bans-the-sale-of-new-gas-
powered-cars-by-2035.html

2022 + 3 years is not 2035.

2. Ford, GM, Mercedes, Volvo, BYD, JLR Commit To End ICE Production By 2040

https://www.carscoops.com/2021/11/ford-gm-mercedes-volvo-byd-jlr-commit-to-
end-ice-production-by-2040/

3. World\'s first commercial electric plane completes point-to-point flight

https://newatlas.com/aircraft/worlds-first-commercial-electric-plane-
harbour-air/

4. Electric Planes Are Coming Sooner Than You Think

Oh, they are here. Trainers, and some experimental short-range
commuter planes.

Electric aviation is no flight of fancy: Leading airlines like United and
EasyJet are onboard as early adopters, with the first U.S. commercial
routes slated for 2026.

https://www.afar.com/magazine/electric-planes-are-coming-sooner-than-you-
think

\"Think smaller planes, shorter flights\"

A huge investment in batteries is paying off:

5. NEW Sodium solid state batteries could solve our lithium crisis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b63e-Om1Zz0

6. NEW Sulfur batteries - 1,000 mile EV range GAME changer!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEIHtxWO2Qw

7. NEW GENERATION LITHIUM-ION BATTERIES

Fantasies so far. Ditto the required charging infrastructure.

China is building about one coal-fired power plant per week. Japan is
building new coal plants. Germany is un-retiring coal plants. India
has 39 coal power plants under construction. Africa wants electricity
too.

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 21:07:10 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
<soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 8:38:24 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 12:43:08 PM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 09:43:41 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 2:03:15 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
Ford is firing 3000 engineers and designers to help pay for EV expansion:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ford-confirms-layoffs-says-it-is-cutting-about-3-000-jobs-primarily-in-u-s-and-canada-11661180161?mod=hp_lead_pos2
\"He (CEO Ford) has said profits from its lineup of gas and diesel-engine vehicles will help fund the transition, but that part of the business must operate more efficiently.\"

Obviously EVs are not profitable now do to low sales and very high development costs, but cannibalizing the profitable part of the business is a very bad idea.

The handwriting is on the wall: the internal combustion engine will be banned from all new car sales nationwide, if not worldwide, in about three years.

Hilarious.
John Larkin is easily amused.
The auto industry conversion to EV has to be done, it might as well be now as later.
Aircraft and boats will be next.

Aircraft? Short flights with no passengers maybe.
Short flights do seem to be whats on offer. Passengers are perfectly practical.

\"Practical?\" They are NECESSARY for commercial flight!


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_aircraft

\"A demonstrator for the German Scylax E10 10-seater should fly in 2022. It should be used by FLN Frisia Luftverkehr to connect East Frisian islands with its 300 km (160 nmi) range and 300 m (980 ft) short takeoff and landing distance.\"

WOW! Let\'s see, how far will 160nmi will get you out of NY? OOPS! Just to NJ!! Might as well drive!!!

Door-to-door, driving is faster. And no waiting in car rental lines.

 

[Flyguy]

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 9:27:01 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:

On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 2:07:14 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 8:38:24 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 12:43:08 PM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 09:43:41 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 2:03:15 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
snip
Hilarious.

John Larkin is easily amused.

The auto industry conversion to EV has to be done, it might as well be now as later.
Aircraft and boats will be next.

Aircraft? Short flights with no passengers maybe.

Short flights do seem to be whats on offer. Passengers are perfectly practical.

\"Practical?\" They are NECESSARY for commercial flight!
Not really - other forms of freight can be used to generate revenue.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_aircraft

\"A demonstrator for the German Scylax E10 10-seater should fly in 2022. It should be used by FLN Frisia Luftverkehr to connect East Frisian islands with its 300 km (160 nmi) range and 300 m (980 ft) short takeoff and landing distance.\"

WOW! Let\'s see, how far will 160nmi will get you out of NY? OOPS! Just to NJ!! Might as well drive!!!
Or take the train, at least when the US graduates to high-speed trains.

They might as well when the useable range is 80 mi or less. Or ride a bike - it would probably be faster considering the time required to get to and from the train station plus arriving early. Of course, it could be an electric bike!

 

[Mike Monett VE3BTI]

John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

China is building about one coal-fired power plant per week. Japan is
building new coal plants. Germany is un-retiring coal plants. India
has 39 coal power plants under construction. Africa wants electricity
too.

What does that have to do with conversion to EV\'s.

--
MRM

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 2:39:37 PM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 20 Sep 2022 03:33:32 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett VE3BTI <spa...@not.com> wrote:
John Larkin <jla...@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 09:43:41 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 2:03:15 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:

<snip>

> Africa wants electricity too.

But it will get most of it from solar cells. They are now the cheapest source of electric power, even if you figure in the cost of the battery to keep the lights on at night.

It\'s also a much more modular source. You can buy just as much of it as you need, and buy more when you need it.

Coal and gas-fired generating stations tend to be huge, and require you to build a grid to distribute the power to the people who can afford to pay for it.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Flyguy]

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 9:38:56 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:

On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 2:13:14 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 9:07:14 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 8:38:24 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 12:43:08 PM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 09:43:41 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 2:03:15 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
Ford is firing 3000 engineers and designers to help pay for EV expansion:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ford-confirms-layoffs-says-it-is-cutting-about-3-000-jobs-primarily-in-u-s-and-canada-11661180161?mod=hp_lead_pos2
\"He (CEO Ford) has said profits from its lineup of gas and diesel-engine vehicles will help fund the transition, but that part of the business must operate more efficiently.\"

Obviously EVs are not profitable now do to low sales and very high development costs, but cannibalizing the profitable part of the business is a very bad idea.

The handwriting is on the wall: the internal combustion engine will be banned from all new car sales nationwide, if not worldwide, in about three years.

Hilarious.

John Larkin is easily amused.

The auto industry conversion to EV has to be done, it might as well be now as later.
Aircraft and boats will be next.

Aircraft? Short flights with no passengers maybe.

Short flights do seem to be whats on offer. Passengers are perfectly practical.

\"Practical?\" They are NECESSARY for commercial flight!
Gnatguy hasn\'t heard about freight,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_aircraft

\"A demonstrator for the German Scylax E10 10-seater should fly in 2022. It should be used by FLN Frisia Luftverkehr to connect East Frisian islands with its 300 km (160 nmi) range and 300 m (980 ft) short takeoff and landing distance.\"

WOW! Let\'s see, how far will 160nmi will get you out of NY? OOPS! Just to NJ!! Might as well drive!!!
Driving over water doesn\'t work all that well.

I forgot to mention that commercial flights require 30 min of fuel (OOPS, battery capacity) to fly to an alternate airport, 45 min in IFR weather (Bill doesn\'t know anything about this as the closest he has gotten to a pilot is a gas water heater!). This would cut the range AT LEAST in half!

Back when I read Aviation week regularly they didn\'t make any fuss about it, but it is a cliche of commercial aviation, and I have known about it since I was a kid growing up in Tasmania and getting flown over to the mainland from time. I\'m sure Frisia Luftverkehr knows about it too. We went there with our car and took the ferry back in the 1990\'s. It wasn\'t all that quick.

OF COURSE they know about it, but talking about it doesn\'t help their cause of raising funds. They are hoping investors don\'t know about it. But the regulations are REAL and pilots plan fuel loads to comply with it. This makes that plane virtually unusable.

 

[Flyguy]

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 10:03:18 PM UTC-7, Mike Monett VE3BTI wrote:

John Larkin <jla...@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

China is building about one coal-fired power plant per week. Japan is
building new coal plants. Germany is un-retiring coal plants. India
has 39 coal power plants under construction. Africa wants electricity
too.
What does that have to do with conversion to EV\'s.

--
MRM

Don\'t you get the IRONY? Are you that DENSE? Your \"non-polluting\" electric car is being powered by COAL!

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 3:41:21 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 10:03:18 PM UTC-7, Mike Monett VE3BTI wrote:
John Larkin <jla...@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

China is building about one coal-fired power plant per week. Japan is
building new coal plants. Germany is un-retiring coal plants. India
has 39 coal power plants under construction. Africa wants electricity
too.
What does that have to do with conversion to EV\'s.

Don\'t you get the IRONY? Are you that DENSE? Your \"non-polluting\" electric car is being powered by COAL!

It is at the moment, but fossil-fuel fired generating capacity is being phased out rapidly and getting replaced by cheaper renewable generating capacity.

In Australia only 51% of the grid power is still being generated by burning coal, so even now driving an electric car cuts your carbon emissions even if it doesn\'t yet eliminate them.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 20 Sep 2022 05:03:11 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett VE3BTI
<spamme@not.com> wrote:

John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

China is building about one coal-fired power plant per week. Japan is
building new coal plants. Germany is un-retiring coal plants. India
has 39 coal power plants under construction. Africa wants electricity
too.

What does that have to do with conversion to EV\'s.

Our mandating electric cars, saving a bit of CO2 generation, is
expensive symbolism. Plenty of other countries will burn the oil and
coal and NG that we don\'t want. And sell us batteries and solar panels
built with slave labor.

CO2 does not respect national boundaries. Not even the city limits of
Berkely CA.

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 21:07:10 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
<soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 8:38:24 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 12:43:08 PM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 09:43:41 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 2:03:15 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
Ford is firing 3000 engineers and designers to help pay for EV expansion:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ford-confirms-layoffs-says-it-is-cutting-about-3-000-jobs-primarily-in-u-s-and-canada-11661180161?mod=hp_lead_pos2
\"He (CEO Ford) has said profits from its lineup of gas and diesel-engine vehicles will help fund the transition, but that part of the business must operate more efficiently.\"

Obviously EVs are not profitable now do to low sales and very high development costs, but cannibalizing the profitable part of the business is a very bad idea.

The handwriting is on the wall: the internal combustion engine will be banned from all new car sales nationwide, if not worldwide, in about three years.

Hilarious.
John Larkin is easily amused.
The auto industry conversion to EV has to be done, it might as well be now as later.
Aircraft and boats will be next.

Aircraft? Short flights with no passengers maybe.
Short flights do seem to be whats on offer. Passengers are perfectly practical.

\"Practical?\" They are NECESSARY for commercial flight!


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_aircraft

\"A demonstrator for the German Scylax E10 10-seater should fly in 2022. It should be used by FLN Frisia Luftverkehr to connect East Frisian islands with its 300 km (160 nmi) range and 300 m (980 ft) short takeoff and landing distance.\"

WOW! Let\'s see, how far will 160nmi will get you out of NY? OOPS! Just to NJ!! Might as well drive!!!

Save even more energy by never going to NJ.

(Spoken as someone who spent far too much time in Freehold.)

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 12:34:08 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 20 Sep 2022 05:03:11 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett VE3BTI
spa...@not.com> wrote:

John Larkin <jla...@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

China is building about one coal-fired power plant per week. Japan is
building new coal plants. Germany is un-retiring coal plants. India
has 39 coal power plants under construction. Africa wants electricity
too.

What does that have to do with conversion to EV\'s.

Our mandating electric cars, saving a bit of CO2 generation, is
expensive symbolism.

Scarcely. You get more miles per kW.hr out of an electric car that you get out of an internal combustion powered car, so it isn\'t expensive in any real sense, and you won\'t be burning the fossil carbon, so there isn\'t anything symbolic about it.

> Plenty of other countries will burn the oil and coal and NG that we don\'t want.

They might, but global warming screws up everybody, so the holdouts will be under increasing pressure to act more responsibly.

> And sell us batteries and solar panels built with slave labor.

There\'s increasing pressure on companies to make sure that their suppliers don\'t exploit slave labour.

US might even come under increasing pressure to on-shore more of their manufacturing.

> CO2 does not respect national boundaries. Not even the city limits of Berkely CA.

Which is why the pressure to emit less of it is felt internationally.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Flyguy]

On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 8:14:21 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:

On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 12:34:08 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 20 Sep 2022 05:03:11 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett VE3BTI
spa...@not.com> wrote:

John Larkin <jla...@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

China is building about one coal-fired power plant per week. Japan is
building new coal plants. Germany is un-retiring coal plants. India
has 39 coal power plants under construction. Africa wants electricity
too.

What does that have to do with conversion to EV\'s.

Our mandating electric cars, saving a bit of CO2 generation, is
expensive symbolism.
Scarcely. You get more miles per kW.hr out of an electric car that you get out of an internal combustion powered car, so it isn\'t expensive in any real sense, and you won\'t be burning the fossil carbon, so there isn\'t anything symbolic about it.
Plenty of other countries will burn the oil and coal and NG that we don\'t want.
They might, but global warming screws up everybody, so the holdouts will be under increasing pressure to act more responsibly.
And sell us batteries and solar panels built with slave labor.
There\'s increasing pressure on companies to make sure that their suppliers don\'t exploit slave labour.

US might even come under increasing pressure to on-shore more of their manufacturing.
CO2 does not respect national boundaries. Not even the city limits of Berkely CA.
Which is why the pressure to emit less of it is felt internationally.

No, Bozo, China and India are building NEW coal-fired power plants as I write this - and they are LAUGHING at that senile pervert Lyin\' Biden, as well as you, while they are doing this.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 3:18:03 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 8:14:21 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 12:34:08 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 20 Sep 2022 05:03:11 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett VE3BTI
spa...@not.com> wrote:

John Larkin <jla...@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

China is building about one coal-fired power plant per week. Japan is
building new coal plants. Germany is un-retiring coal plants. India
has 39 coal power plants under construction. Africa wants electricity
too.

What does that have to do with conversion to EV\'s.

Our mandating electric cars, saving a bit of CO2 generation, is
expensive symbolism.
Scarcely. You get more miles per kW.hr out of an electric car that you get out of an internal combustion powered car, so it isn\'t expensive in any real sense, and you won\'t be burning the fossil carbon, so there isn\'t anything symbolic about it.
Plenty of other countries will burn the oil and coal and NG that we don\'t want.
They might, but global warming screws up everybody, so the holdouts will be under increasing pressure to act more responsibly.
And sell us batteries and solar panels built with slave labor.
There\'s increasing pressure on companies to make sure that their suppliers don\'t exploit slave labour.

US might even come under increasing pressure to on-shore more of their manufacturing.

CO2 does not respect national boundaries. Not even the city limits of Berkely CA.

Which is why the pressure to emit less of it is felt internationally.

No, China and India are building NEW coal-fired power plants as I write this - and they are LAUGHING at Joe Biden, as well as you, while they are doing this.

Coal-fired power plants are big, and take a long time to build. Both China and India still have some in the pipeline. Solar cell production lines are even bigger, and take even longer to ramp up. China has invested hugely in making solar cells in remarkably high volume, but still can\'t yet make enough of them to keep head of the rising demand for electric power. Try to think a little more about where the word is going, rather concentrating on what it was like back when your brain still sort of worked.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney