Fibre

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 21:47:56 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

Well I hated Telecom. To ring across the road was a toll call, (046)
to (02).

That's not true. Same or adjacent zone is a local call.


--
I call shenanigans on all theistic religions
 
"Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 21:32:24 +1100, "Rod Speed"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:



"Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 15:16:17 +1100, "Rod Speed"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

It does appear to be available today at my place.

I was originally planning to stay with dodo until my contract ran out,
8 months @ $24/month break fee. Not attractive in the long term,
myrepublic.net is much better value for 100/40 unlimited, $60, dodo
wants $100 for that. Dodo will allow you to change to the NBN with
no contract penalty, but that involves a whole new 2 year contract.

Dodo's retention people could only offer me $95/month but were
happy to halve the break fee to just $99.

I signed up with myreplublic.net, but that froze on the final screen.
Rang them, but have now been on hold for 25 mins.

They did eventually answer the phone, had no record
of the online signup so I signed up on the phone.

I only found FttN was available by checking online

Mate of mine found a big Telstra van down the main street today
and asked them when it would be available. He said today in half
the town and a couple more weeks in the other half.

About a month later letters started arriving from ISP's of offers.

We've been having those for months now, mostly from iprimus and
someone else I can't remember. None from dodo or telstra tho even
tho I have used both in the past and currently use dodo.

Also had problems for Telstra to give me correct bill always over
charged by around $10. Took them months to give me a TV modem
which I use for programs I miss not paying for any Netflix etc.

Havent used them for more than a decade now. I did use them
when adsl first showed up, basically in case there were problems.

Well I hated Telecom to ring across the road was a toll cal (046) to (02)

That's not true. When that was across the road, it was still a local call.

> when we were allowed to use Optus I changed.

I do use them for mobile, or more strictly amaysim who resells them.

Problem here is like all bureaucracies they can't or won't
fire dickheads instead they sent them to Sydney's furtherest
outpost. A legacy of this was bodged copperwire instalation.

The NBN is being done by contractors.

While waiting for phone in 80's to be installed they would
park near the pub all day. When it was pissing down with
rain they might show up to apoligize that it was too wett.

Didn't get that with the recent FTTN installation.

The house was wired while being built and no reason why
the phone should not of been ready when we moved in.

When I was building my house in the very early 70s,
the buggers would keep digging up the street with every
new phone service, always on Saturday at overtime rates.

> With the phone we got it was crackly and pretty bad even for modem.

Mine was fine. I have had a couple of failures in those 45 years
now, but all were back in the exchange, not the street lines.

And one of them was fixed by a contractor on saturday morning too.

And they did a free diversion to my non telstra mobile while it was down
too.

Seems everyone was complaing, the local paper gave the email address
of a service manager (but had to sign up to Telstra) who selected his
own "techs" who found my phone wired wrong in less than 10 minutes.
This was after years and 1000's of "techs" who never fixed my bad phone
connection (like Jehovah witness knocking at your door all the time)

Yeah, some faults like spurs can remain for ages until
someone with a clue works out what the problem is.
 
On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 22:41:49 +1100, Lucifer Morningstar
<Barry@saymyname.com> wrote:

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 21:47:56 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

Well I hated Telecom. To ring across the road was a toll call, (046)
to (02).

That's not true. Same or adjacent zone is a local call.

--
Petzl

Wasn't when Telecom was in charge 1980's.
infact a timber sawmill Leumeah had two phones one end 02 the other
end 046

There was a stage where there were temporary movements/period, for a
while it went to 50 cents unlimited to break into the 02 barrier, but
didn't last long.

Calling Botany 02 for 15 minutes cost $15 in 2010's.
046 Campbelltown to Sydney 02.
Now to call via Skype to Japan Tokyo for around an hour cost me a
dollar.

Now with NBN calls nationwaide mobile and landline are free.
--
Petzl
 
On Sat, 24 Dec 2016 03:58:54 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

"Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 21:32:24 +1100, "Rod Speed"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:



"Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 15:16:17 +1100, "Rod Speed"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

It does appear to be available today at my place.

I was originally planning to stay with dodo until my contract ran out,
8 months @ $24/month break fee. Not attractive in the long term,
myrepublic.net is much better value for 100/40 unlimited, $60, dodo
wants $100 for that. Dodo will allow you to change to the NBN with
no contract penalty, but that involves a whole new 2 year contract.

Dodo's retention people could only offer me $95/month but were
happy to halve the break fee to just $99.

I signed up with myreplublic.net, but that froze on the final screen.
Rang them, but have now been on hold for 25 mins.

They did eventually answer the phone, had no record
of the online signup so I signed up on the phone.

I only found FttN was available by checking online

Mate of mine found a big Telstra van down the main street today
and asked them when it would be available. He said today in half
the town and a couple more weeks in the other half.

About a month later letters started arriving from ISP's of offers.

We've been having those for months now, mostly from iprimus and
someone else I can't remember. None from dodo or telstra tho even
tho I have used both in the past and currently use dodo.

Also had problems for Telstra to give me correct bill always over
charged by around $10. Took them months to give me a TV modem
which I use for programs I miss not paying for any Netflix etc.

Havent used them for more than a decade now. I did use them
when adsl first showed up, basically in case there were problems.

Well I hated Telecom to ring across the road was a toll cal (046) to (02)

That's not true. When that was across the road, it was still a local call.

Didn't aply to me in Campbelltown?

when we were allowed to use Optus I changed.

I do use them for mobile, or more strictly amaysim who resells them.
Now with NBN freecalls becoming a norm, something must change even
better?

Problem here is like all bureaucracies they can't or won't
fire dickheads instead they sent them to Sydney's furtherest
outpost. A legacy of this was bodged copperwire instalation.

The NBN is being done by contractors.

Who is doing Turnbulls FttN copper to home?

While waiting for phone in 80's to be installed they would
park near the pub all day. When it was pissing down with
rain they might show up to apoligize that it was too wett.

Didn't get that with the recent FTTN installation.

This was the culture of Telecom in those days.

The house was wired while being built and no reason why
the phone should not of been ready when we moved in.

When I was building my house in the very early 70s,
the buggers would keep digging up the street with every
new phone service, always on Saturday at overtime rates.
That's when they came to my place when it was raining to say to wet to
dig. Then you would see the truck with digger parked near the pub.

With the phone we got it was crackly and pretty bad even for modem.

Mine was fine. I have had a couple of failures in those 45 years
now, but all were back in the exchange, not the street lines.

And one of them was fixed by a contractor on saturday morning too.

And they did a free diversion to my non telstra mobile while it was down
too.
Nothing to congratulate Telcome in my area.
All flamproof couldn't be fired!

Seems everyone was complaing, the local paper gave the email address
of a service manager (but had to sign up to Telstra) who selected his
own "techs" who found my phone wired wrong in less than 10 minutes.
This was after years and 1000's of "techs" who never fixed my bad phone
connection (like Jehovah witness knocking at your door all the time)

Yeah, some faults like spurs can remain for ages until
someone with a clue works out what the problem is.

Pissed me off and I'm not the only one.
--
Petzl
 
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
Lucifer Morningstar <Barry@saymyname.com> wrote
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

Well I hated Telecom. To ring across
the road was a toll call, (046) to (02).

That's not true. Same or adjacent zone is a local call.

Wasn't when Telecom was in charge 1980's.

Yes it was.

infact a timber sawmill Leumeah had two
phones one end 02 the other end 046

That is for a different reason. When you use the 046 line,
you can call more places further away from Sydney proper
for a local call charge than you can when you use the 02
line. Same with the 02 line, that allows you to call more
places north of sydney for the cost of a local call.

There was a stage where there were temporary
movements/period, for a while it went to 50 cents
unlimited to break into the 02 barrier, but didn't last long.

Calling Botany 02 for 15 minutes cost $15 in 2010's.
046 Campbelltown to Sydney 02.
Now to call via Skype to Japan Tokyo
for around an hour cost me a dollar.

Now with NBN calls nationwaide mobile and landline are free.

Only because you pay extra per month to get that.
 
"Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 24 Dec 2016 03:58:54 +1100, "Rod Speed"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:



"Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 21:32:24 +1100, "Rod Speed"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:



"Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 15:16:17 +1100, "Rod Speed"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

It does appear to be available today at my place.

I was originally planning to stay with dodo until my contract ran
out,
8 months @ $24/month break fee. Not attractive in the long term,
myrepublic.net is much better value for 100/40 unlimited, $60, dodo
wants $100 for that. Dodo will allow you to change to the NBN with
no contract penalty, but that involves a whole new 2 year contract.

Dodo's retention people could only offer me $95/month but were
happy to halve the break fee to just $99.

I signed up with myreplublic.net, but that froze on the final
screen.
Rang them, but have now been on hold for 25 mins.

They did eventually answer the phone, had no record
of the online signup so I signed up on the phone.

I only found FttN was available by checking online

Mate of mine found a big Telstra van down the main street today
and asked them when it would be available. He said today in half
the town and a couple more weeks in the other half.

About a month later letters started arriving from ISP's of offers.

We've been having those for months now, mostly from iprimus and
someone else I can't remember. None from dodo or telstra tho even
tho I have used both in the past and currently use dodo.

Also had problems for Telstra to give me correct bill always over
charged by around $10. Took them months to give me a TV modem
which I use for programs I miss not paying for any Netflix etc.

Havent used them for more than a decade now. I did use them
when adsl first showed up, basically in case there were problems.

Well I hated Telecom to ring across the road was a toll cal (046) to
(02)

That's not true. When that was across the road, it was still a local call.

Didn't aply to me in Campbelltown?

Yes it did.

when we were allowed to use Optus I changed.

I do use them for mobile, or more
strictly amaysim who resells them.

Now with NBN freecalls becoming a norm,

That is not correct. You pay extra per month for that.

> something must change even better?

What ?

Problem here is like all bureaucracies they can't or won't
fire dickheads instead they sent them to Sydney's furtherest
outpost. A legacy of this was bodged copperwire instalation.

The NBN is being done by contractors.

Who is doing Turnbulls FttN copper to home?

Dunno, ours used largely unmarked Avis rental vans.

The bigger trucks used to dig the holes that the nodes
are above, in the green metal boxes, were also unmarked,
presumably also rented.

While waiting for phone in 80's to be installed they would
park near the pub all day. When it was pissing down with
rain they might show up to apoligize that it was too wett.

Didn't get that with the recent FTTN installation.

This was the culture of Telecom in those days.

Yeah, contractors make one hell of a difference.

The house was wired while being built and no reason why
the phone should not of been ready when we moved in.

When I was building my house in the very early 70s,
the buggers would keep digging up the street with every
new phone service, always on Saturday at overtime rates.

That's when they came to my place when it was raining to say to wet
to dig. Then you would see the truck with digger parked near the pub.

With the phone we got it was crackly and pretty bad even for modem.

Mine was fine. I have had a couple of failures in those 45 years
now, but all were back in the exchange, not the street lines.

And one of them was fixed by a contractor on saturday morning too.

And they did a free diversion to my non telstra mobile while it was down
too.

Nothing to congratulate Telcome in my area.
All flamproof couldn't be fired!

Seems everyone was complaing, the local paper gave the email address
of a service manager (but had to sign up to Telstra) who selected his
own "techs" who found my phone wired wrong in less than 10 minutes.
This was after years and 1000's of "techs" who never fixed my bad phone
connection (like Jehovah witness knocking at your door all the time)

Yeah, some faults like spurs can remain for ages until
someone with a clue works out what the problem is.

Pissed me off and I'm not the only one.

Yeah, there will always be some stuck with them.

Just went out to talk to the monkeys in Telstra van
parked in the main street this morning. He said that
those they signed up yesterday when it was there
got a start date of 3 Jan for their FTTN service.
 
On Sat, 24 Dec 2016 14:33:46 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

"Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 24 Dec 2016 03:58:54 +1100, "Rod Speed"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:



"Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 21:32:24 +1100, "Rod Speed"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:



"Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 15:16:17 +1100, "Rod Speed"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

It does appear to be available today at my place.

I was originally planning to stay with dodo until my contract ran
out,
8 months @ $24/month break fee. Not attractive in the long term,
myrepublic.net is much better value for 100/40 unlimited, $60, dodo
wants $100 for that. Dodo will allow you to change to the NBN with
no contract penalty, but that involves a whole new 2 year contract.

Dodo's retention people could only offer me $95/month but were
happy to halve the break fee to just $99.

I signed up with myreplublic.net, but that froze on the final
screen.
Rang them, but have now been on hold for 25 mins.

They did eventually answer the phone, had no record
of the online signup so I signed up on the phone.

I only found FttN was available by checking online

Mate of mine found a big Telstra van down the main street today
and asked them when it would be available. He said today in half
the town and a couple more weeks in the other half.

About a month later letters started arriving from ISP's of offers.

We've been having those for months now, mostly from iprimus and
someone else I can't remember. None from dodo or telstra tho even
tho I have used both in the past and currently use dodo.

Also had problems for Telstra to give me correct bill always over
charged by around $10. Took them months to give me a TV modem
which I use for programs I miss not paying for any Netflix etc.

Havent used them for more than a decade now. I did use them
when adsl first showed up, basically in case there were problems.

Well I hated Telecom to ring across the road was a toll cal (046) to
(02)

That's not true. When that was across the road, it was still a local call.

Didn't aply to me in Campbelltown?

Yes it did.

when we were allowed to use Optus I changed.

I do use them for mobile, or more
strictly amaysim who resells them.

Now with NBN freecalls becoming a norm,

That is not correct. You pay extra per month for that.

something must change even better?

What ?

Problem here is like all bureaucracies they can't or won't
fire dickheads instead they sent them to Sydney's furtherest
outpost. A legacy of this was bodged copperwire instalation.

The NBN is being done by contractors.

Who is doing Turnbulls FttN copper to home?

Dunno, ours used largely unmarked Avis rental vans.

The bigger trucks used to dig the holes that the nodes
are above, in the green metal boxes, were also unmarked,
presumably also rented.

While waiting for phone in 80's to be installed they would
park near the pub all day. When it was pissing down with
rain they might show up to apoligize that it was too wett.

Didn't get that with the recent FTTN installation.

This was the culture of Telecom in those days.

Yeah, contractors make one hell of a difference.

The house was wired while being built and no reason why
the phone should not of been ready when we moved in.

When I was building my house in the very early 70s,
the buggers would keep digging up the street with every
new phone service, always on Saturday at overtime rates.

That's when they came to my place when it was raining to say to wet
to dig. Then you would see the truck with digger parked near the pub.

With the phone we got it was crackly and pretty bad even for modem.

Mine was fine. I have had a couple of failures in those 45 years
now, but all were back in the exchange, not the street lines.

And one of them was fixed by a contractor on saturday morning too.

And they did a free diversion to my non telstra mobile while it was down
too.

Nothing to congratulate Telcome in my area.
All flamproof couldn't be fired!

Seems everyone was complaing, the local paper gave the email address
of a service manager (but had to sign up to Telstra) who selected his
own "techs" who found my phone wired wrong in less than 10 minutes.
This was after years and 1000's of "techs" who never fixed my bad phone
connection (like Jehovah witness knocking at your door all the time)

Yeah, some faults like spurs can remain for ages until
someone with a clue works out what the problem is.

Pissed me off and I'm not the only one.

Yeah, there will always be some stuck with them.

Just went out to talk to the monkeys in Telstra van
parked in the main street this morning. He said that
those they signed up yesterday when it was there
got a start date of 3 Jan for their FTTN service.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year Rod.
--
Petzl
 
Petzl wrote:
On Sat, 24 Dec 2016 03:58:54 +1100, "Rod Speed"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:



"Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 21:32:24 +1100, "Rod Speed"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:



"Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 15:16:17 +1100, "Rod Speed"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

It does appear to be available today at my place.

I was originally planning to stay with dodo until my contract ran out,
8 months @ $24/month break fee. Not attractive in the long term,
myrepublic.net is much better value for 100/40 unlimited, $60, dodo
wants $100 for that. Dodo will allow you to change to the NBN with
no contract penalty, but that involves a whole new 2 year contract.

Dodo's retention people could only offer me $95/month but were
happy to halve the break fee to just $99.

I signed up with myreplublic.net, but that froze on the final screen.
Rang them, but have now been on hold for 25 mins.

They did eventually answer the phone, had no record
of the online signup so I signed up on the phone.

I only found FttN was available by checking online

Mate of mine found a big Telstra van down the main street today
and asked them when it would be available. He said today in half
the town and a couple more weeks in the other half.

About a month later letters started arriving from ISP's of offers.

We've been having those for months now, mostly from iprimus and
someone else I can't remember. None from dodo or telstra tho even
tho I have used both in the past and currently use dodo.

Also had problems for Telstra to give me correct bill always over
charged by around $10. Took them months to give me a TV modem
which I use for programs I miss not paying for any Netflix etc.

Havent used them for more than a decade now. I did use them
when adsl first showed up, basically in case there were problems.

Well I hated Telecom to ring across the road was a toll cal (046) to (02)

That's not true. When that was across the road, it was still a local call.

Didn't aply to me in Campbelltown?

With my existing bundle all calls are timed.

when we were allowed to use Optus I changed.

I do use them for mobile, or more strictly amaysim who resells them.

Now with NBN freecalls becoming a norm, something must change even
better?

Problem here is like all bureaucracies they can't or won't
fire dickheads instead they sent them to Sydney's furtherest
outpost. A legacy of this was bodged copperwire instalation.

The NBN is being done by contractors.

Who is doing Turnbulls FttN copper to home?

While waiting for phone in 80's to be installed they would
park near the pub all day. When it was pissing down with
rain they might show up to apoligize that it was too wett.

Didn't get that with the recent FTTN installation.

This was the culture of Telecom in those days.

The house was wired while being built and no reason why
the phone should not of been ready when we moved in.

When I was building my house in the very early 70s,
the buggers would keep digging up the street with every
new phone service, always on Saturday at overtime rates.

That's when they came to my place when it was raining to say to wet to
dig. Then you would see the truck with digger parked near the pub.

With the phone we got it was crackly and pretty bad even for modem.

Mine was fine. I have had a couple of failures in those 45 years
now, but all were back in the exchange, not the street lines.

And one of them was fixed by a contractor on saturday morning too.

And they did a free diversion to my non telstra mobile while it was down
too.

Nothing to congratulate Telcome in my area.
All flamproof couldn't be fired!

Seems everyone was complaing, the local paper gave the email address
of a service manager (but had to sign up to Telstra) who selected his
own "techs" who found my phone wired wrong in less than 10 minutes.
This was after years and 1000's of "techs" who never fixed my bad phone
connection (like Jehovah witness knocking at your door all the time)

Yeah, some faults like spurs can remain for ages until
someone with a clue works out what the problem is.

Pissed me off and I'm not the only one.
 
"Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 24 Dec 2016 14:33:46 +1100, "Rod Speed"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:



"Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 24 Dec 2016 03:58:54 +1100, "Rod Speed"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:



"Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 21:32:24 +1100, "Rod Speed"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:



"Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 15:16:17 +1100, "Rod Speed"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

It does appear to be available today at my place.

I was originally planning to stay with dodo until my contract ran
out,
8 months @ $24/month break fee. Not attractive in the long term,
myrepublic.net is much better value for 100/40 unlimited, $60,
dodo
wants $100 for that. Dodo will allow you to change to the NBN with
no contract penalty, but that involves a whole new 2 year
contract.

Dodo's retention people could only offer me $95/month but were
happy to halve the break fee to just $99.

I signed up with myreplublic.net, but that froze on the final
screen.
Rang them, but have now been on hold for 25 mins.

They did eventually answer the phone, had no record
of the online signup so I signed up on the phone.

I only found FttN was available by checking online

Mate of mine found a big Telstra van down the main street today
and asked them when it would be available. He said today in half
the town and a couple more weeks in the other half.

About a month later letters started arriving from ISP's of offers.

We've been having those for months now, mostly from iprimus and
someone else I can't remember. None from dodo or telstra tho even
tho I have used both in the past and currently use dodo.

Also had problems for Telstra to give me correct bill always over
charged by around $10. Took them months to give me a TV modem
which I use for programs I miss not paying for any Netflix etc.

Havent used them for more than a decade now. I did use them
when adsl first showed up, basically in case there were problems.

Well I hated Telecom to ring across the road was a toll cal (046) to
(02)

That's not true. When that was across the road, it was still a local
call.

Didn't aply to me in Campbelltown?

Yes it did.

when we were allowed to use Optus I changed.

I do use them for mobile, or more
strictly amaysim who resells them.

Now with NBN freecalls becoming a norm,

That is not correct. You pay extra per month for that.

something must change even better?

What ?

Problem here is like all bureaucracies they can't or won't
fire dickheads instead they sent them to Sydney's furtherest
outpost. A legacy of this was bodged copperwire instalation.

The NBN is being done by contractors.

Who is doing Turnbulls FttN copper to home?

Dunno, ours used largely unmarked Avis rental vans.

The bigger trucks used to dig the holes that the nodes
are above, in the green metal boxes, were also unmarked,
presumably also rented.

While waiting for phone in 80's to be installed they would
park near the pub all day. When it was pissing down with
rain they might show up to apoligize that it was too wett.

Didn't get that with the recent FTTN installation.

This was the culture of Telecom in those days.

Yeah, contractors make one hell of a difference.

The house was wired while being built and no reason why
the phone should not of been ready when we moved in.

When I was building my house in the very early 70s,
the buggers would keep digging up the street with every
new phone service, always on Saturday at overtime rates.

That's when they came to my place when it was raining to say to wet
to dig. Then you would see the truck with digger parked near the pub.

With the phone we got it was crackly and pretty bad even for modem.

Mine was fine. I have had a couple of failures in those 45 years
now, but all were back in the exchange, not the street lines.

And one of them was fixed by a contractor on saturday morning too.

And they did a free diversion to my non telstra mobile while it was
down
too.

Nothing to congratulate Telcome in my area.
All flamproof couldn't be fired!

Seems everyone was complaing, the local paper gave the email address
of a service manager (but had to sign up to Telstra) who selected his
own "techs" who found my phone wired wrong in less than 10 minutes.
This was after years and 1000's of "techs" who never fixed my bad
phone
connection (like Jehovah witness knocking at your door all the time)

Yeah, some faults like spurs can remain for ages until
someone with a clue works out what the problem is.

Pissed me off and I'm not the only one.

Yeah, there will always be some stuck with them.

Just went out to talk to the monkeys in Telstra van
parked in the main street this morning. He said that
those they signed up yesterday when it was there
got a start date of 3 Jan for their FTTN service.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year Rod.

Thanks, same to you and all the other denizens in here.
 
On Sat, 24 Dec 2016 15:47:29 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Well I hated Telecom to ring across the road was a toll cal (046) to (02)

That's not true. When that was across the road, it was still a local call.

Didn't aply to me in Campbelltown?


With my existing bundle all calls are timed.

Well depending on who you sign-up with and what bundle you choose,
very likely timed calls will be dead.
--
Petzl
 
"Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3sas5chqeb566rm3q715d8uet2a16prtvb@4ax.com...
On Sat, 24 Dec 2016 15:47:29 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Well I hated Telecom to ring across the road was a toll cal (046) to
(02)

That's not true. When that was across the road, it was still a local
call.

Didn't aply to me in Campbelltown?


With my existing bundle all calls are timed.

Well depending on who you sign-up with and what bundle you choose,
very likely timed calls will be dead.

I have just signed up for timed non local calls,
because I call using voip which is untimed.
 
On 23/12/2016 9:47 PM, Petzl wrote:
On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 21:32:24 +1100, "Rod Speed"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:



"Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:dflp5ch316bdgl22r51r503bcs24lbc0m1@4ax.com...
On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 15:16:17 +1100, "Rod Speed"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

It does appear to be available today at my place.

I was originally planning to stay with dodo until my contract ran out,
8 months @ $24/month break fee. Not attractive in the long term,
myrepublic.net is much better value for 100/40 unlimited, $60, dodo
wants $100 for that. Dodo will allow you to change to the NBN with
no contract penalty, but that involves a whole new 2 year contract.

Dodo's retention people could only offer me $95/month but were
happy to halve the break fee to just $99.

I signed up with myreplublic.net, but that froze on the final screen.
Rang them, but have now been on hold for 25 mins.

They did eventually answer the phone, had no record
of the online signup so I signed up on the phone.

I only found FttN was available by checking online

Mate of mine found a big Telstra van down the main street today
and asked them when it would be available. He said today in half
the town and a couple more weeks in the other half.

About a month later letters started arriving from ISP's of offers.

We've been having those for months now, mostly from iprimus and
someone else I can't remember. None from dodo or telstra tho even
tho I have used both in the past and currently use dodo.

Also had problems for Telstra to give me correct bill always over
charged by around $10. Took them months to give me a TV modem
which I use for programs I miss not paying for any Netflix etc.

Havent used them for more than a decade now. I did use them
when adsl first showed up, basically in case there were problems.

Well I hated Telecom to ring across the road was a toll cal (046) to
(02) when we were allowed to use Optus I changed.

I lived in the 03 Zone in suburban Melbourne, first in Armadale, then
later in Nunawading. Back when I had my first home phone installed, I
could ring anyone in the 03 zone for an untimed local call. You might
note that the 03 Zone covered a huge are back in 1980. We could call St
Albans on 03, Belgrave on 03, Dandenong, Frankston, Greensborough and
many more outer urban areas all on 03. To ring anyone outside this area
into a 0xx zone meant timed local calls at a rate that varied according
to the distance each was from the 03 zone. The adjacent 0xx zone call
charge rate wasn't huge but it was enough to give you cause to limit
your conversations. I don't recall if someone just over the boundary, as
in your case, was dealt with in the same manner but I suspect it was as
you say. All of my friends in the 0xx zones were well over the boundary.

However, and this is where the confusion arises in the minds of some,
the 03 zone was eventually divided up into *Neighbourhood Zones*. These
zones were all still 03 *but* the tariff system changed. I remained in
the inner NH Zone. Some friends in St Albans ended up in the Western(?)
NH Zone, some other friend in Ferntree Gully ended up int the Eastern(?)
NH Zone. I could ring either for an untimed local call and they could
ring me on the same deal since we were on *adjacent neighbourhood
zones*. However, if the people in Ferntree Gully wanted to ring the
people in St Albans, that was a *timed local call* because their zones
were separated by the inner zone. They were not adjacent. The call rate
was not huge but it did stop people using internet modems from leaving
them permanently connected if their provider was in a non-adjacent zone.
I think that may have been one of the motivations, apart from the
obvious one of increased revenue raising. I recall that *Telecom* back
in the days was always on about untimed local calls being a problem. I
can see that it would since people were just starting to connect to the
internet with dialup modems in a big way and tying up the limited number
of inter-exchange lines available. The problem with the system was that
you received no indication that it was a timed local call - no STD pips.
If you weren't privy to the existence of Neighbourhood Zones, you
suddenly ended up with larger than expected phone bills.

The Neighbourhood zones were always published in a map located, IIRC, in
the front section of the White Pages and there was some publicity at the
time of the introduction of the zones.

It's all moot these days since untimed calls, even national, have become
the norm nowadays. I've been on untimed national call plans for some
time and, prior to that, I was on a 99 cent cap for a set period. the
choice of set periods was 20 minutes, 1 hour or 3 hours. I always chose
the 1 hour period. If you went over your set cap, timed rates applied
and, since I was always calling interstate, it didn't take long to rack
up 10 or 20 dollars in the next hour. Solution was to hang up and redial
after, say, 59 minutes and get another hour for 99 cents.

<snip>


--

Xeno

First they ignore you,
Then they ridicule you,
Then they fight you,
Then you win.

Mahatma Ghandi
 
On 23/12/2016 10:41 PM, Lucifer Morningstar wrote:
On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 21:47:56 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

Well I hated Telecom. To ring across the road was a toll call, (046)
to (02).

That's not true. Same or adjacent zone is a local call.
What you say is true for *Neighbourhood Zones*. Different system applies
for 0xx zones.



--

Xeno

First they ignore you,
Then they ridicule you,
Then they fight you,
Then you win.

Mahatma Ghandi
 
On 24/12/2016 10:19 AM, Petzl wrote:
On Sat, 24 Dec 2016 03:58:54 +1100, "Rod Speed"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:



"Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:khvp5cpmp2v0mv50ln65322qovspm6bv1j@4ax.com...
On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 21:32:24 +1100, "Rod Speed"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:



"Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:dflp5ch316bdgl22r51r503bcs24lbc0m1@4ax.com...
On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 15:16:17 +1100, "Rod Speed"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

It does appear to be available today at my place.

I was originally planning to stay with dodo until my contract ran out,
8 months @ $24/month break fee. Not attractive in the long term,
myrepublic.net is much better value for 100/40 unlimited, $60, dodo
wants $100 for that. Dodo will allow you to change to the NBN with
no contract penalty, but that involves a whole new 2 year contract.

Dodo's retention people could only offer me $95/month but were
happy to halve the break fee to just $99.

I signed up with myreplublic.net, but that froze on the final screen.
Rang them, but have now been on hold for 25 mins.

They did eventually answer the phone, had no record
of the online signup so I signed up on the phone.

I only found FttN was available by checking online

Mate of mine found a big Telstra van down the main street today
and asked them when it would be available. He said today in half
the town and a couple more weeks in the other half.

About a month later letters started arriving from ISP's of offers.

We've been having those for months now, mostly from iprimus and
someone else I can't remember. None from dodo or telstra tho even
tho I have used both in the past and currently use dodo.

Also had problems for Telstra to give me correct bill always over
charged by around $10. Took them months to give me a TV modem
which I use for programs I miss not paying for any Netflix etc.

Havent used them for more than a decade now. I did use them
when adsl first showed up, basically in case there were problems.

Well I hated Telecom to ring across the road was a toll cal (046) to (02)

That's not true. When that was across the road, it was still a local call.

Didn't aply to me in Campbelltown?

You must have been on the very extreme end of the 02 Zone. In Melbourne,
the zones did not extend that far out from the Melbourne CBD. That's
likely because there's not much *east* of Sydney central before you get
rather wet. ;-)

<snip>


--

Xeno

First they ignore you,
Then they ridicule you,
Then they fight you,
Then you win.

Mahatma Ghandi
 
On 24/12/2016 3:47 PM, F Murtz wrote:

<snip>

Havent used them for more than a decade now. I did use them
when adsl first showed up, basically in case there were problems.

Well I hated Telecom to ring across the road was a toll cal (046) to
(02)

That's not true. When that was across the road, it was still a local
call.

Didn't aply to me in Campbelltown?


With my existing bundle all calls are timed.

Must be a piss poor bundle - or cheap.

I have bundled internet and home phone with untimed local and national
calls, even to mobiles regardless of provider. The only calls I pay for
are 1300 numbers and that's generally a flat fee, at least it is with
the numbers I call.

<snip>

--

Xeno

First they ignore you,
Then they ridicule you,
Then they fight you,
Then you win.

Mahatma Ghandi
 
Xeno wrote:
On 24/12/2016 3:47 PM, F Murtz wrote:

snip


Havent used them for more than a decade now. I did use them
when adsl first showed up, basically in case there were problems.

Well I hated Telecom to ring across the road was a toll cal (046) to
(02)

That's not true. When that was across the road, it was still a local
call.

Didn't aply to me in Campbelltown?


With my existing bundle all calls are timed.

Must be a piss poor bundle - or cheap.

I have bundled internet and home phone with untimed local and national
calls, even to mobiles regardless of provider. The only calls I pay for
are 1300 numbers and that's generally a flat fee, at least it is with
the numbers I call.

snip
It is telstra in an area where they are the only option (till now with
NBN soon)It is $80.00 200gb(they may have upped it)ADSL2+ All calls
timed,with these phenomenal speeds
Ranging from this

http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/5581014128

To this
http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/5825905936

They wont see me for dust very soon when the NBN deign to switch on
their already laid fibre.
 
On Saturday, 24 Dec 2016 11:13 PM, Xeno wrote:
On 24/12/2016 3:47 PM, F Murtz wrote:

snip


Havent used them for more than a decade now. I did use them
when adsl first showed up, basically in case there were problems.

Well I hated Telecom to ring across the road was a toll cal (046) to
(02)

That's not true. When that was across the road, it was still a local
call.

Didn't aply to me in Campbelltown?


With my existing bundle all calls are timed.

Must be a piss poor bundle - or cheap.

I have bundled internet and home phone with untimed local and national
calls, even to mobiles regardless of provider. The only calls I pay
for are 1300 numbers and that's generally a flat fee, at least it is
with the numbers I call.

snip

Xeno! will you please go back to aus.cars!.. when you're not there the
idiots there start picking on me, lol!


--
I plan on living forever. So far so good!
 
On 25/12/2016 12:13 AM, felix wrote:
On Saturday, 24 Dec 2016 11:13 PM, Xeno wrote:
On 24/12/2016 3:47 PM, F Murtz wrote:

snip


Havent used them for more than a decade now. I did use them
when adsl first showed up, basically in case there were problems.

Well I hated Telecom to ring across the road was a toll cal (046) to
(02)

That's not true. When that was across the road, it was still a local
call.

Didn't aply to me in Campbelltown?


With my existing bundle all calls are timed.

Must be a piss poor bundle - or cheap.

I have bundled internet and home phone with untimed local and national
calls, even to mobiles regardless of provider. The only calls I pay
for are 1300 numbers and that's generally a flat fee, at least it is
with the numbers I call.

snip


Xeno! will you please go back to aus.cars!.. when you're not there the
idiots there start picking on me, lol!
I am trying to catch up on the posts. Thought I'd pop in here - fewer
posts to deal with in the same 48 hour time span!

I did notice that the animals started to turn on themselves - as animals
are wont to do.

--

Xeno

First they ignore you,
Then they ridicule you,
Then they fight you,
Then you win.

Mahatma Ghandi
 
On Sat, 24 Dec 2016 19:19:07 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

"Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3sas5chqeb566rm3q715d8uet2a16prtvb@4ax.com...
On Sat, 24 Dec 2016 15:47:29 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Well I hated Telecom to ring across the road was a toll cal (046) to
(02)

That's not true. When that was across the road, it was still a local
call.

Didn't aply to me in Campbelltown?


With my existing bundle all calls are timed.

Well depending on who you sign-up with and what bundle you choose,
very likely timed calls will be dead.

I have just signed up for timed non local calls,
because I call using voip which is untimed.

Does that include mobile calls nationally?
Most I call use mobile phones not landline so it was an advantage to
get mobile calls included in package.
Plus I wanted the 1000 gig data and the Telstra video (which does not
come off my data count/use).
--
Petzl
 
On Sat, 24 Dec 2016 23:02:18 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:

On 23/12/2016 10:41 PM, Lucifer Morningstar wrote:
On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 21:47:56 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

Well I hated Telecom. To ring across the road was a toll call, (046)
to (02).

That's not true. Same or adjacent zone is a local call.

What you say is true for *Neighbourhood Zones*. Different system applies
for 0xx zones.

It wasn't true straight after me getting connected to bad crackly
phone by unemployable arseholes Telecom should of fired.
Instead the "mangers" looked at a map and sent these pathetic clowns
to Sydney's developing suburbs.
Then when redundancies came only the employable left.

Only after Telstra came about with Optus did *Neighbourhood Zones*
come about.

the demographic centre of sydney was/is Parramatta yet Telecom used
"First Fleet Park" to maximise local call exclusion.
--
Petzl
 

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