Feb 1 = Ban the Bulb Day

[Phil Allison]

Hi to all,

following on from Australia Day and " Invasion Day " we now have " Ban the
Bulb Day " to celebrate.

Yep, from today ( Sunday February 1, 2009 ) the importation into Australia
of the most common incandescent bulbs for domestic 240 volt lighting has
been banned.

CUSTOMS (PROHIBITED IMPORTS) AMENDMENT REGULATIONS 2008 (NO. 7) (SLI NO 256
OF 2008)

http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/legis/cth/num_reg_es/ciar20087n256o2008622.html?query=^incandescent#disp10


From the above Customs Act regulation:

--------------------------------------------
( a) a shape described as any of:

(i) A50 to A65; or

(ii) PS50 to PS65; or

(iii) T50 to T65; or

(iv) M50 to M65

(v) E50 to E65;

(b) a cap described as E14, E26, E27, B15 or B22d;

(c) a nominal voltage of greater than or equal to 220 V;

(d) a nominal wattage of less than 150 W;

but not including primary coloured lamps;

----------------------------------------------------------------

Australia is the very first developed country to impose such a ban.

New Zealand has announced that it WILL NOT be doing so !!

Hang on tight - it's going to be a bumpy ride.



...... Phil

 

[MisterE]

Hang on tight - it's going to be a bumpy ride.

Interesting that they think they can reduce the light energy increase to 0%
by 2015. so will we be rationing the number of new light installations we
can make by 2015 or using >100% efficiency bulbs :-D

"The cost of abatement is negative, -$135/tonne CO2-e." Hence the real
reason why it got approved - most people will save money by being forced to
change, and reduce their CO2 emissions. This will probably be the only
carbon reducation that is negetive abatement per tonne, and begs the
question of what other technologies can improve terrible power wasting.

Apparently we use 10x as much power on air condition as we do on light. So
one idea would be just to blanket ban aircons being lower than say 28, the
cost of abatement would be negetive too, since people will save on power ;-D

 

[Bob Parker]

On 1/02/2009 22:05 kreed wrote:

Buy shares in the candle business while you are at it, or stockpile
'em before they
are banned too

Eventually politicians will realise that we all exhale naughty
planet-wrecking Carbon Dioxide and try to put a tax on breathing.

 

[Tom]

Bob Parker wrote:

On 1/02/2009 22:05 kreed wrote:

Buy shares in the candle business while you are at it, or stockpile
'em before they
are banned too

Eventually politicians will realise that we all exhale naughty
planet-wrecking Carbon Dioxide and try to put a tax on breathing.

Closely followed by tax on farting

Tom

 

[kreed]

On Feb 1, 4:33 pm, "MisterE" <mist...@nigma.net> wrote:

Hang on tight -  it's going to be a bumpy ride.

Interesting that they think they can reduce the light energy increase to 0%
by 2015. so will we be rationing the number of new light installations we
can make by 2015 or using >100% efficiency bulbs :-D

Its been done successfully in other countries - North Korea for
example. (from what I have heard, South Africa is doing a great job
too - with power shortages)
With the looming recession/depression, skill shortage and the decaying
state of a lot of infrastructure in recent years, substantial
reductions in lighting electrical usage (via blackouts) its quite
possible that Australia will achieve this.

Buy shares in the candle business while you are at it, or stockpile
'em before they
are banned too

"The cost of abatement is negative, -$135/tonne CO2-e."   Hence the real
reason why it got approved - most people will save money by being forced to
change, and reduce their CO2 emissions. This will probably be the only
carbon reducation that is negetive abatement per tonne, and begs the
question of what other technologies can improve terrible power wasting.

Apparently we use 10x as much power on air condition as we do on light. So
one idea would be just to blanket ban aircons being lower than say 28, the
cost of abatement would be negetive too, since people will save on power ;-D

 

[kreed]

On Feb 1, 1:24 pm, "Phil Allison" <philalli...@tpg.com.au> wrote:

Hi to all,

following on from Australia Day and " Invasion Day "  we now have  " Ban the
Bulb Day " to celebrate.

Shame we couldn't have a "common sense" day.

Actually make it mandatory for every day of the year

Yep,  from today ( Sunday February 1, 2009 ) the importation into Australia
of the most common incandescent bulbs for domestic 240 volt lighting has
been banned.

CUSTOMS (PROHIBITED IMPORTS) AMENDMENT REGULATIONS 2008 (NO. 7) (SLI NO 256
OF 2008)

http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/legis/cth/num_reg_es/ci...incandescent#disp10

From the above Customs Act regulation:

--------------------------------------------
( a) a shape described as any of:

(i) A50 to A65; or

(ii) PS50 to PS65; or

(iii) T50 to T65; or

(iv) M50 to M65

(v) E50 to E65;

(b) a cap described as E14, E26, E27, B15 or B22d;

(c) a nominal voltage of greater than or equal to 220 V;

(d) a nominal wattage of less than 150 W;

     but not including primary coloured lamps;

----------------------------------------------------------------

Australia is the very first developed country to impose such a ban.

New Zealand has announced that it  WILL  NOT  be doing so !!

Didnt think I would see the day when they would show more sense than
us

Hang on tight -  it's going to be a bumpy ride.

.....    Phil

Your not wrong.
Damn dickheads. Wasting time and money on this while real issues go
and rot.



While it hasnt yet appeared on their website, (but may soon so have
enclosed the link anyway)

http://www.siliconchip.com.au/menu_2361/section_columns/cms/section.html

"Silicon chip" covered the incandescent lamp issue in the Feb issue
editor's letter, as well as the "restrictions on power hungry plasma
TV" crap that's been popping up. They did a reasonable job of it all,
bringing up issues that have been discussed on here, but then undid
the good work by crapping on at the end about "carbon emissions" /
(AGW) which I could understand if it were a tabloid, low IQ "Fran"
readership cheap rag or consumer magazine, but in a magazine that's
sold as a "technical/scientific magazine", when there is now
significant evidence/experts now appearing that show that AGW is false
and a scam, - was extremely disappointing to see.

In my personal and honest opinion, putting like AGW / "Carbon
emissions" comments like that as fact without even commenting on the
opposite view is akin to promoting "flat earth" or "moon is made of
green cheese" or "babies are brought by storks" theories in a modern
scientific publication - as fact.

 

[Bob Parker]

On 1/02/2009 23:05 kreed wrote:

On Feb 1, 9:22 pm, Tom <T...@nospam.com> wrote:
Bob Parker wrote:
On 1/02/2009 22:05 kreed wrote:
Buy shares in the candle business while you are at it, or stockpile
'em before they
are banned too
Eventually politicians will realise that we all exhale naughty
planet-wrecking Carbon Dioxide and try to put a tax on breathing.
Closely followed by tax on farting
Tom

or mandatory cork up the arse.

Yeah, with a corkage charge!

 

[kreed]

On Feb 1, 9:22 pm, Tom <T...@nospam.com> wrote:

Bob Parker wrote:
On 1/02/2009 22:05 kreed wrote:

Buy shares in the candle business while you are at it, or stockpile
'em before they
are banned too  

   Eventually politicians will realise that we all exhale naughty
planet-wrecking Carbon Dioxide and try to put a tax on breathing.

Closely followed by tax on farting
Tom

or mandatory cork up the arse.

 

[ian field]

"Tom" <Tom@nospam.com> wrote in message news:498585e6$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...

Bob Parker wrote:
On 1/02/2009 22:05 kreed wrote:

Buy shares in the candle business while you are at it, or stockpile
'em before they
are banned too

Eventually politicians will realise that we all exhale naughty
planet-wrecking Carbon Dioxide and try to put a tax on breathing.

Closely followed by tax on farting
Tom

OMG - I'm doomed!

 

[Swanny]

Bob Parker wrote:

On 1/02/2009 22:05 kreed wrote:

Buy shares in the candle business while you are at it, or stockpile
'em before they
are banned too

Eventually politicians will realise that we all exhale naughty
planet-wrecking Carbon Dioxide and try to put a tax on breathing.

Incredible how the media has managed to demonise a molecule which, up to

now, was quite useful in several applications.

 

[Bob Parker]

On 2/02/2009 08:18 Swanny wrote:

Eventually politicians will realise that we all exhale naughty
planet-wrecking Carbon Dioxide and try to put a tax on breathing.

Incredible how the media has managed to demonise a molecule which, up to
now, was quite useful in several applications.

Yeah, the plants and trees certainly seem to like it.

 

[Eeyore]

Phil Allison wrote:

Hi to all,

following on from Australia Day and " Invasion Day " we now have " Ban the
Bulb Day " to celebrate.

Yep, from today ( Sunday February 1, 2009 ) the importation into Australia
of the most common incandescent bulbs for domestic 240 volt lighting has
been banned.

CUSTOMS (PROHIBITED IMPORTS) AMENDMENT REGULATIONS 2008 (NO. 7) (SLI NO 256
OF 2008)

http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/legis/cth/num_reg_es/ciar20087n256o2008622.html?query=^incandescent#disp10

From the above Customs Act regulation:

--------------------------------------------
( a) a shape described as any of:

(i) A50 to A65; or

(ii) PS50 to PS65; or

(iii) T50 to T65; or

(iv) M50 to M65

(v) E50 to E65;

(b) a cap described as E14, E26, E27, B15 or B22d;

(c) a nominal voltage of greater than or equal to 220 V;

(d) a nominal wattage of less than 150 W;

but not including primary coloured lamps;

----------------------------------------------------------------

Australia is the very first developed country to impose such a ban.

New Zealand has announced that it WILL NOT be doing so !!

Hang on tight - it's going to be a bumpy ride.

Anyone heard of ebay ?

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

kreed wrote:

On Feb 1, 1:24 pm, "Phil Allison" <philalli...@tpg.com.au> wrote:

<snip>

Australia is the very first developed country to impose such a ban.

New Zealand has announced that it WILL NOT be doing so !!

Didnt think I would see the day when they would show more sense than
us

Hang on tight - it's going to be a bumpy ride.

..... Phil

Your not wrong.
Damn dickheads. Wasting time and money on this while real issues go
and rot.

While it hasnt yet appeared on their website, (but may soon so have
enclosed the link anyway)

http://www.siliconchip.com.au/menu_2361/section_columns/cms/section.html

"Silicon chip" covered the incandescent lamp issue in the Feb issue
editor's letter, as well as the "restrictions on power hungry plasma
TV" crap that's been popping up. They did a reasonable job of it all,
bringing up issues that have been discussed on here, but then undid
the good work by crapping on at the end about "carbon emissions" /
(AGW) which I could understand if it were a tabloid, low IQ "Fran"
readership cheap rag or consumer magazine, but in a magazine that's
sold as a "technical/scientific magazine", when there is now
significant evidence/experts now appearing that show that AGW is false
and a scam, - was extremely disappointing to see.

In my personal and honest opinion, putting like AGW / "Carbon
emissions" comments like that as fact without even commenting on the
opposite view is akin to promoting "flat earth" or "moon is made of
green cheese" or "babies are brought by storks" theories in a modern
scientific publication - as fact.

I was in a Doctor's waiting room recently and yes that damn stork featured in a publicity poster
for pre-natal care. WTF ?

BTW, there was a scare story in the UK press recently about banning incandescents, and sure
enough all the supermarkets have stopped stocking anything over 60W. The story alleged that 150W
bulbs were already quite eliminated, so I went to the local trade supplier and bought one over
the counter.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

kreed wrote:

On Feb 1, 4:33 pm, "MisterE" <mist...@nigma.net> wrote:
Hang on tight - it's going to be a bumpy ride.

Interesting that they think they can reduce the light energy increase to 0%
by 2015. so will we be rationing the number of new light installations we
can make by 2015 or using >100% efficiency bulbs :-D


Its been done successfully in other countries - North Korea for
example. (from what I have heard, South Africa is doing a great job
too - with power shortages)
With the looming recession/depression, skill shortage and the decaying
state of a lot of infrastructure in recent years, substantial
reductions in lighting electrical usage (via blackouts) its quite
possible that Australia will achieve this.

Buy shares in the candle business while you are at it, or stockpile
'em before they
are banned too

Burn the politicians instead.

Graham

 

[F Murtz]

Eeyore wrote:

Phil Allison wrote:

Hi to all,

following on from Australia Day and " Invasion Day " we now have " Ban the
Bulb Day " to celebrate.

Yep, from today ( Sunday February 1, 2009 ) the importation into Australia
of the most common incandescent bulbs for domestic 240 volt lighting has
been banned.

CUSTOMS (PROHIBITED IMPORTS) AMENDMENT REGULATIONS 2008 (NO. 7) (SLI NO 256
OF 2008)

http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/legis/cth/num_reg_es/ciar20087n256o2008622.html?query=^incandescent#disp10

From the above Customs Act regulation:

--------------------------------------------
( a) a shape described as any of:

(i) A50 to A65; or

(ii) PS50 to PS65; or

(iii) T50 to T65; or

(iv) M50 to M65

(v) E50 to E65;

(b) a cap described as E14, E26, E27, B15 or B22d;

(c) a nominal voltage of greater than or equal to 220 V;

(d) a nominal wattage of less than 150 W;

but not including primary coloured lamps;

----------------------------------------------------------------

Australia is the very first developed country to impose such a ban.

New Zealand has announced that it WILL NOT be doing so !!

Hang on tight - it's going to be a bumpy ride.

Anyone heard of ebay ?

Graham

They are making it illegal to import.

Are ebay purchases exempt?

 

[Phil Allison]

"F Murtz"

EeySore wrote:
Phil Allison wrote:

Anyone heard of ebay ?

Graham

They are making it illegal to import.
Are ebay purchases exempt?

** Of course not.

Be treated the same as any other form of contraband or smuggled goods.





....... Phil

 

[kreed]

On Feb 2, 1:55 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

kreed wrote:
On Feb 1, 4:33 pm, "MisterE" <mist...@nigma.net> wrote:
Hang on tight -  it's going to be a bumpy ride.

Interesting that they think they can reduce the light energy increase to 0%
by 2015. so will we be rationing the number of new light installations we
can make by 2015 or using >100% efficiency bulbs :-D

Its been done successfully in other countries - North Korea for
example. (from what I have heard, South Africa is doing a great job
too - with power shortages)
With the looming recession/depression, skill shortage and the decaying
state of a lot of infrastructure in recent years, substantial
reductions in lighting electrical usage (via blackouts) its quite
possible that Australia will achieve this.

Buy shares in the candle business while you are at it, or stockpile
'em before they
are banned too  

Burn the politicians instead.

Graham

Radical greenies would also be an excellent alternate fuel source.
(And save welfare budget)

The emissions from all the illegal substances they smoke might be a
problem for the power station filtering system though.

The massive implosion when the enormous vacccum between the ears is
let down to air might do damage too.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

ian field wrote:

"Tom" <Tom@nospam.com> wrote in message news:498585e6$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
Bob Parker wrote:
On 1/02/2009 22:05 kreed wrote:

Buy shares in the candle business while you are at it, or stockpile
'em before they
are banned too

Eventually politicians will realise that we all exhale naughty
planet-wrecking Carbon Dioxide and try to put a tax on breathing.

Closely followed by tax on farting
Tom

OMG - I'm doomed!

No, it will be whoever is standing behind you when the seal fails.


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"Tom" <Tom@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Bob Parker wrote:
On 1/02/2009 22:05 kreed wrote:

Buy shares in the candle business while you are at it, or stockpile
'em before they
are banned too

Eventually politicians will realise that we all exhale naughty
planet-wrecking Carbon Dioxide and try to put a tax on breathing.

Closely followed by tax on farting
Tom

OMG - I'm doomed!


No, it will be whoever is standing behind you when the seal fails.

The local bank revised their layout as a result of that - they used to have
a line of consulting desks alongside the queue for the counters, until I
gassed an elderly couple who'd sat at one of the desks for some banking
advice. Since then they've opened up another room for the desks.

 

[ian field]

"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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"F Murtz"
EeySore wrote:
Phil Allison wrote:

Anyone heard of ebay ?

Graham

They are making it illegal to import.
Are ebay purchases exempt?


** Of course not.

Be treated the same as any other form of contraband or smuggled goods.

At one point some enterprising gun runners were advertising boxes - with a
free gun inside.