Fanless or near fanless PC 2014 ? (sub 5 watts)

[Skybuck Flying]

I need to clarify something though.

The scare about running software 24/7 also has to do with the internet,
software, windows, acrobat, flash, and all kinds of updating going on.

Nowadays system gets bothered with nags about software updates, especially
windows itself can shutdown the system without ever asking.

Other software might perhaps do it on startup... but not sure.

So Microsoft itself has kinda made me scared of running software 24/7
because of their updates.

Scarey idea to be running a heavy-duty evolver and suddenly this update-crap
starts which can fail/rollback and have all kinds of annoying consequences.

Could also jeapordize final results or influence calculations etc.

Though this updating behaviour can be termined/disabled but then system is
at risk of hacking attempt which is even more scarier lol.

So all I am saying is leaving it unattended... hmmmm bad idea nowadays.

May have to think about a seperated system/computer disconnected from
internet, to run task nonstop

But if system must be connected to internet to run the task and update stuff
to the net then you can start to see the problem a bit

Bye,
Skybuck.

 

[dcaster@krl.org]

On Saturday, September 6, 2014 3:39:46 AM UTC, Skybuck Flying wrote:

This processor has caught my eye, it's a sub 5 watt processor from intel, it

has latest features and even a graphics chip inside of it ?!



http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-broadwell-core-m,27596.html

Bye,

Skybuck.

You might also look at the AMD Kabini. 25 watts power . Not fanless as sold but you could go fanless with a simple water cooling heat sink.

Dan

 

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUn]

On Sat, 6 Sep 2014 05:14:47 -0700 (PDT), "dcaster@krl.org"
<dcaster@krl.org> Gave us:

snip

4 watts. HD capable

http://www.solid-run.com/product/cubox-i4pro/

 

dcaster@krl.org> Gave us:
snip
4 watts. HD capable

http://www.solid-run.com/product/cubox-i4pro/

Not saying for better or for worst. But when we say PC, it usually imply x86.

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christense]

Den sřndag den 7. september 2014 23.11.28 UTC+2 skrev rickman:

On 9/5/2014 11:57 PM, Skybuck Flying wrote:

I need to clarify something though.



The scare about running software 24/7 also has to do with the internet,

software, windows, acrobat, flash, and all kinds of updating going on.



Nowadays system gets bothered with nags about software updates,

especially windows itself can shutdown the system without ever asking.



Worse it can start up a PC on its own. I have an XP desktop that can

start itself from the OFF state. I don't know if this is from the

network card or what. But usually when it does turn itself on when I

turn it off it does a Windows update.

I don't know if it is only when hibernating, but pretty much every
Wednesday at 2:00 am


-Lasse

 

[Skybuck Flying]

Holy fokking shit batman:

Not a core m... but something in the neighbourhood:

As hudson would say:

"Stop your grinnin' and drop your linen!"

And as usf4 guile would say: "here we go" lol:

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=msi_x99_fail&num=1

Perhaps overheat protection is not taking it to far... how about a fire
extinquisher

Bye,
Skyhell

 

[Jon Elson]

Skybuck Flying wrote:

I need to clarify something though.

The scare about running software 24/7 also has to do with the internet,
software, windows, acrobat, flash, and all kinds of updating going on.

I've had a Linux web server with email, ssh, ftp, etc. services as well
the web server, running at home for more than a decade. Long ago, I got
hacked a couple of times, now I think I have the security set high enough
so that the idiots and even the pros are prelly well locked out.

These are run on Dell Optiplex desktop machines. My last personal
desktop was bought used, and ran non-stop for 12 years before i decided
to upgrade. The Optiplex is their commercial grade machine, not the
home grade.

As for fanless, there are Intel Atom processors that can run fanless, and
you can get fanless power supplies for them. A fanless Atom motherboard
with SSD is pretty robust. We have made a number of these for remote
device controllers.

Jon

 

[Jon Elson]

Skybuck Flying wrote:

I need to clarify something though.

The scare about running software 24/7 also has to do with the internet,
software, windows, acrobat, flash, and all kinds of updating going on.

I've had a Linux web server with email, ssh, ftp, etc. services as well
the web server, running at home for more than a decade. Long ago, I got
hacked a couple of times, now I think I have the security set high enough
so that the idiots and even the pros are prelly well locked out.

These are run on Dell Optiplex desktop machines. My last personal
desktop was bought used, and ran non-stop for 12 years before i decided
to upgrade. The Optiplex is their commercial grade machine, not the
home grade.

As for fanless, there are Intel Atom processors that can run fanless, and
you can get fanless power supplies for them. A fanless Atom motherboard
with SSD is pretty robust. We have made a number of these for remote
device controllers.

Jon

 

[rickman]

On 9/5/2014 11:57 PM, Skybuck Flying wrote:

I need to clarify something though.

The scare about running software 24/7 also has to do with the internet,
software, windows, acrobat, flash, and all kinds of updating going on.

Nowadays system gets bothered with nags about software updates,
especially windows itself can shutdown the system without ever asking.

Worse it can start up a PC on its own. I have an XP desktop that can
start itself from the OFF state. I don't know if this is from the
network card or what. But usually when it does turn itself on when I
turn it off it does a Windows update.

Other software might perhaps do it on startup... but not sure.

So Microsoft itself has kinda made me scared of running software 24/7
because of their updates.

You can turn off the automatic updating.

Scarey idea to be running a heavy-duty evolver and suddenly this
update-crap starts which can fail/rollback and have all kinds of
annoying consequences.

Could also jeapordize final results or influence calculations etc.

Though this updating behaviour can be termined/disabled but then system
is at risk of hacking attempt which is even more scarier lol.

It was at risk before the update was available, so what changes? When
do you want to do the updates?

So all I am saying is leaving it unattended... hmmmm bad idea nowadays.

May have to think about a seperated system/computer disconnected from
internet, to run task nonstop

But if system must be connected to internet to run the task and update
stuff to the net then you can start to see the problem a bit

Yeah, get used to it.

--

Rick

 

[Skybuck Flying]

Yeah you right on the spot with the auto turn-on.

I have also seen some freaky shit with that.

For example if I just gently touch the backplate of the PC near the network
card it will actually turn the PC on from sleep mode ?!

How weird is that ?!

Also sometimes I wake up and the PC is running... either because it's sleep
mode didn't fully complete and started upgrades and let the PC run all
night.

Or something else happened like mini earth quake, or truck driving by or
neighbour bumping around and I think this moves the USB mouse and then
switches on the PC ?! Woopsie totally weird.

Ofcourse some of this behaviour could be turned of in the BIOS possibily...
but still weird that it's so sensitive ?! wow...

Yup... maybe vacuum cleaner turning it on.. or touching usb ports... other
possibilities probably exists too.

Bye,
Skybuck.

 

[Skybuck Flying]

Lol funny little thing.

My new system must at least be able to "host" 6 terrabytes of harddisk space
or I am not coming out of my bed for it !

And 6 terrabytes is on the low side... In reality the new system will
probably host "10" terrabytes which is mighty jummy !

Maybe even more

(I hate running out of disk space so I never ever ever ever ever ever ever
wanna face such a situation ever ever ever LOL )

Bye,
Skybuck.

 

[Skybuck Flying]

wrote in message
news:49ff65d5-88f6-4468-8f68-3ca1fa241456@googlegroups.com...

On Saturday, September 6, 2014 3:39:46 AM UTC, Skybuck Flying wrote:

This processor has caught my eye, it's a sub 5 watt processor from intel,
it

has latest features and even a graphics chip inside of it ?!



http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-broadwell-core-m,27596.html

Bye,

Skybuck.

"
You might also look at the AMD Kabini. 25 watts power . Not fanless as
sold but you could go fanless with a simple water cooling heat sink.
"

Too hot I think... if I go with a water cooling system then I might as well
go all the way overboard with powerfull stuff unless even water cooling
can't cool it ?!

But please do share.. you mentioned a "simple" water cooling heat sink ? Do
tell us more... why would this be "simple" ?

The idea of leakage while the system is running is enough to "scare me
stiff" lol... get it ? like the pinball machine lol "scared stiff"

Bye,
Skybuck

 

[rickman]

On 9/7/2014 8:15 PM, Skybuck Flying wrote:

Yeah you right on the spot with the auto turn-on.

I have also seen some freaky shit with that.

For example if I just gently touch the backplate of the PC near the
network card it will actually turn the PC on from sleep mode ?!

This is not sleep mode. This is a desktop and is *off*, shut down...
has to boot windows to come up again.

--

Rick

 

[rickman]

On 9/7/2014 8:25 PM, Skybuck Flying wrote:

wrote in message
news:49ff65d5-88f6-4468-8f68-3ca1fa241456@googlegroups.com...

On Saturday, September 6, 2014 3:39:46 AM UTC, Skybuck Flying wrote:


This processor has caught my eye, it's a sub 5 watt processor from
intel, it

has latest features and even a graphics chip inside of it ?!



http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-broadwell-core-m,27596.html

Bye,

Skybuck.

"
You might also look at the AMD Kabini. 25 watts power . Not fanless as
sold but you could go fanless with a simple water cooling heat sink.
"

Too hot I think... if I go with a water cooling system then I might as
well go all the way overboard with powerfull stuff unless even water
cooling can't cool it ?!

But please do share.. you mentioned a "simple" water cooling heat sink ?
Do tell us more... why would this be "simple" ?

The idea of leakage while the system is running is enough to "scare me
stiff" lol... get it ? like the pinball machine lol "scared stiff"

I haven't been into this stuff for a while, but maybe he doesn't mean
water cooled. Maybe he means those liquid/gas phase change heat sinks
that are great at getting the heat off the CPU and into the heat sink.
I expect one of those might be good enough to get the heat out passively
if the heat sink were big enough... HUGE fin area.

I think they are called heat pipes. Normally they are used with a big
fan for cooling the really hot CPUs. They are supposed to be better
than copper.

--

Rick

 

[Grant]

On Sun, 07 Sep 2014 23:45:00 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:

On 9/7/2014 8:15 PM, Skybuck Flying wrote:
Yeah you right on the spot with the auto turn-on.

I have also seen some freaky shit with that.

For example if I just gently touch the backplate of the PC near the
network card it will actually turn the PC on from sleep mode ?!

This is not sleep mode. This is a desktop and is *off*, shut down...
has to boot windows to come up again.

That's an EFI BIOS function, you can easily turn it off. And yes,
letting a computer wake in the middle of the night to fetch MSFT
updates while one sleeps would give me nightmares ;o)

Grant.

 

[rickman]

On 9/8/2014 12:17 AM, Grant wrote:

On Sun, 07 Sep 2014 23:45:00 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:

On 9/7/2014 8:15 PM, Skybuck Flying wrote:
Yeah you right on the spot with the auto turn-on.

I have also seen some freaky shit with that.

For example if I just gently touch the backplate of the PC near the
network card it will actually turn the PC on from sleep mode ?!

This is not sleep mode. This is a desktop and is *off*, shut down...
has to boot windows to come up again.

That's an EFI BIOS function, you can easily turn it off. And yes,
letting a computer wake in the middle of the night to fetch MSFT
updates while one sleeps would give me nightmares ;o)

Do you have to turn it off in the BIOS? I have gone through every
Windows feature I can find that might have to do with it and it still
happens.

--

Rick

 

[Jasen Betts]

On 2014-09-08, Skybuck Flying <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> wrote:

wrote in message
news:49ff65d5-88f6-4468-8f68-3ca1fa241456@googlegroups.com...

On Saturday, September 6, 2014 3:39:46 AM UTC, Skybuck Flying wrote:


This processor has caught my eye, it's a sub 5 watt processor from intel,
it

has latest features and even a graphics chip inside of it ?!



http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-broadwell-core-m,27596.html

Bye,

Skybuck.

"
You might also look at the AMD Kabini. 25 watts power . Not fanless as
sold but you could go fanless with a simple water cooling heat sink.
"

Too hot I think... if I go with a water cooling system then I might as well
go all the way overboard with powerfull stuff unless even water cooling
can't cool it ?!

But please do share.. you mentioned a "simple" water cooling heat sink ? Do
tell us more... why would this be "simple" ?

The idea of leakage while the system is running is enough to "scare me
stiff" lol... get it ? like the pinball machine lol "scared stiff"

5 years ago VIA was producoing fanless x86 nano-IXX systems.
we stuck them in Morex (brand) cases with horrible 40mm fans,
which spoiled the effect.

--
umop apisdn


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[Grant]

On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 00:45:07 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:

On 9/8/2014 12:17 AM, Grant wrote:
On Sun, 07 Sep 2014 23:45:00 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:

On 9/7/2014 8:15 PM, Skybuck Flying wrote:
Yeah you right on the spot with the auto turn-on.

I have also seen some freaky shit with that.

For example if I just gently touch the backplate of the PC near the
network card it will actually turn the PC on from sleep mode ?!

This is not sleep mode. This is a desktop and is *off*, shut down...
has to boot windows to come up again.

That's an EFI BIOS function, you can easily turn it off. And yes,
letting a computer wake in the middle of the night to fetch MSFT
updates while one sleeps would give me nightmares ;o)

Do you have to turn it off in the BIOS? I have gone through every
Windows feature I can find that might have to do with it and it still
happens.

Windows cannot turn itself on in the middle of the night, the EFI BIOS
does that, where else are you going to stop this happening?

Grant.

 

[rickman]

On 9/8/2014 5:41 AM, Grant wrote:

On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 00:45:07 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:

On 9/8/2014 12:17 AM, Grant wrote:
On Sun, 07 Sep 2014 23:45:00 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:

On 9/7/2014 8:15 PM, Skybuck Flying wrote:
Yeah you right on the spot with the auto turn-on.

I have also seen some freaky shit with that.

For example if I just gently touch the backplate of the PC near the
network card it will actually turn the PC on from sleep mode ?!

This is not sleep mode. This is a desktop and is *off*, shut down...
has to boot windows to come up again.

That's an EFI BIOS function, you can easily turn it off. And yes,
letting a computer wake in the middle of the night to fetch MSFT
updates while one sleeps would give me nightmares ;o)

Do you have to turn it off in the BIOS? I have gone through every
Windows feature I can find that might have to do with it and it still
happens.

Windows cannot turn itself on in the middle of the night, the EFI BIOS
does that, where else are you going to stop this happening?

Actually neither the BIOS or the OS turns itself on. The hardware has
to do that. The hardware can be controlled by the OS just as easily as
the BIOS. In fact there are settings in Windows and likely Linux and
any other OS to allow either the modem or the network card to turn on
the PC so it can respond to the communications being attempted with the
machine.

But like I said, I have turned this off in Windows as far as I can tell,
so perhaps it is still on in the BIOS. I'll take a look.

--

Rick