EVs present multiple safety problems for the public...

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 6:58:06 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:

On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:42:25 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:09:36 PM UTC+10, wrote:
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 10:38:27 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

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Right-wing lunatics like gggg gggg and Flyguy think that lithium batteries can explode spontaneously, without prior warning. In reality the process of increasing self-discharge and self-heating thant can run away when the battery core gets up to about 120C is along=drawn out process, and any battery big enough to dangerous comes with a built-in battery monitor that keeps track of the temperature of the battery core and the battery surface, and makes all kind of fuss if the battery is showing significant self-heating.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lithium+batteries+exploding+spontaneously

Pictures of small batteries without proper battery monitoring blowing up aren\'t evidence that they blow up spontaneously without any prior warning.

People don\'t post anything about the prior warnings they didn\'t understand or merely ignored. The object isn\'t going to get photographed until it doing something dramatic, and the photographer isn\'t going to advertise the stupidity that let the batter get into that state.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[gggg gggg]

On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:42:25 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:09:36 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:05:51 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:51:19 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 10:38:27 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
The much heavier weight of EVs could cause parking garages to collapse. An EV fire in a parking garage is virtually impossible to fight. They are also a threat to lighter ICE cars in a crash. On top of that, EV owners don\'t pay for road maintenance and construction because they don\'t pay gas taxes!

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/growing-electric-vehicle-sales-bring-concerns-over-safety-hazards
(2023 Youtube upload):

\"EV\'s Are Exploding In Shocking Numbers\"

Lithium batteries are also a risk to airplanes:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lithium+battery+fire+airplane+
Lithium batteries may have had something to do with with the disappearance almost 10 years ago of Malaysia Airlines flight 370:

https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/sci.electronics.design/c/QSwrqfKRUr0/m/ljWfOOueAwAJ
Since nobody has found the wreck yet, this is pure speculation.

Right-wing lunatics like gggg gggg and Flyguy think that lithium batteries can explode spontaneously, without prior warning. In reality the process of increasing self-discharge and self-heating thant can run away when the battery core gets up to about 120C is along=drawn out process, and any battery big enough to dangerous comes with a built-in battery monitor that keeps track of the temperature of the battery core and the battery surface, and makes all kind of fuss if the battery is showing significant self-heating..

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

Then why are people dying?

(2023 Youtube upload):

\"4 Killed In Latest NYC E-Bike Fire As Officials Warn About Dangerous Batteries\"

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 4:46:57 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:

On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:42:25 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:09:36 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:05:51 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:51:19 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 10:38:27 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
The much heavier weight of EVs could cause parking garages to collapse. An EV fire in a parking garage is virtually impossible to fight. They are also a threat to lighter ICE cars in a crash. On top of that, EV owners don\'t pay for road maintenance and construction because they don\'t pay gas taxes!

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/growing-electric-vehicle-sales-bring-concerns-over-safety-hazards
(2023 Youtube upload):

\"EV\'s Are Exploding In Shocking Numbers\"

Lithium batteries are also a risk to airplanes:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lithium+battery+fire+airplane+
Lithium batteries may have had something to do with with the disappearance almost 10 years ago of Malaysia Airlines flight 370:

https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/sci.electronics.design/c/QSwrqfKRUr0/m/ljWfOOueAwAJ
Since nobody has found the wreck yet, this is pure speculation.

Right-wing lunatics like gggg gggg and Flyguy think that lithium batteries can explode spontaneously, without prior warning. In reality the process of increasing self-discharge and self-heating than can run away when the battery core gets up to about 120C is along=drawn out process, and any battery big enough to dangerous comes with a built-in battery monitor that keeps track of the temperature of the battery core and the battery surface, and makes all kind of fuss if the battery is showing significant self-heating.

Then why are people dying?

(2023 Youtube upload):

\"4 Killed In Latest NYC E-Bike Fire As Officials Warn About Dangerous Batteries\"

Cheap e-bikes don\'t always have good battery monitoring systems and idiot owners have been known to ignore good advice.

Some of it is just evolution in action, as stupid people win Darwin Awards for taking themselves out of the gene pool.
Flyguy hasn\'t made it yet.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[gggg gggg]

On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:42:25 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:09:36 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:05:51 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:51:19 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 10:38:27 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
The much heavier weight of EVs could cause parking garages to collapse. An EV fire in a parking garage is virtually impossible to fight. They are also a threat to lighter ICE cars in a crash. On top of that, EV owners don\'t pay for road maintenance and construction because they don\'t pay gas taxes!

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/growing-electric-vehicle-sales-bring-concerns-over-safety-hazards
(2023 Youtube upload):

\"EV\'s Are Exploding In Shocking Numbers\"

Lithium batteries are also a risk to airplanes:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lithium+battery+fire+airplane+
Lithium batteries may have had something to do with with the disappearance almost 10 years ago of Malaysia Airlines flight 370:

https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/sci.electronics.design/c/QSwrqfKRUr0/m/ljWfOOueAwAJ
Since nobody has found the wreck yet, this is pure speculation.

Right-wing lunatics like gggg gggg and Flyguy think that lithium batteries can explode spontaneously, without prior warning. In reality the process of increasing self-discharge and self-heating thant can run away when the battery core gets up to about 120C is along=drawn out process, and any battery big enough to dangerous comes with a built-in battery monitor that keeps track of the temperature of the battery core and the battery surface, and makes all kind of fuss if the battery is showing significant self-heating..

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

What about this recent fire at Sydney airport?:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-12/sydney-airport-lithium-ion-battery-causes-fire/102846146

 

[gggg gggg]

On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 3:40:51 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:

On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:42:25 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:09:36 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:05:51 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:51:19 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 10:38:27 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
The much heavier weight of EVs could cause parking garages to collapse. An EV fire in a parking garage is virtually impossible to fight. They are also a threat to lighter ICE cars in a crash. On top of that, EV owners don\'t pay for road maintenance and construction because they don\'t pay gas taxes!

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/growing-electric-vehicle-sales-bring-concerns-over-safety-hazards
(2023 Youtube upload):

\"EV\'s Are Exploding In Shocking Numbers\"

Lithium batteries are also a risk to airplanes:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lithium+battery+fire+airplane+
Lithium batteries may have had something to do with with the disappearance almost 10 years ago of Malaysia Airlines flight 370:

https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/sci.electronics.design/c/QSwrqfKRUr0/m/ljWfOOueAwAJ
Since nobody has found the wreck yet, this is pure speculation.

Right-wing lunatics like gggg gggg and Flyguy think that lithium batteries can explode spontaneously, without prior warning. In reality the process of increasing self-discharge and self-heating thant can run away when the battery core gets up to about 120C is along=drawn out process, and any battery big enough to dangerous comes with a built-in battery monitor that keeps track of the temperature of the battery core and the battery surface, and makes all kind of fuss if the battery is showing significant self-heating.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney
What about this recent fire at Sydney airport?:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-12/sydney-airport-lithium-ion-battery-causes-fire/102846146

This recent article says:

- According to the Daily Mail, there were 180 Lithium battery fires in NSW in 2022.

https://www.spectator.com.au/2023/09/lithium-battery-fires-will-cause-a-tragedy/

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 8:40:51 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:

On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:42:25 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:09:36 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:05:51 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:51:19 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 10:38:27 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
The much heavier weight of EVs could cause parking garages to collapse. An EV fire in a parking garage is virtually impossible to fight. They are also a threat to lighter ICE cars in a crash. On top of that, EV owners don\'t pay for road maintenance and construction because they don\'t pay gas taxes!

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/growing-electric-vehicle-sales-bring-concerns-over-safety-hazards
(2023 Youtube upload):

\"EV\'s Are Exploding In Shocking Numbers\"

Lithium batteries are also a risk to airplanes:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lithium+battery+fire+airplane+
Lithium batteries may have had something to do with with the disappearance almost 10 years ago of Malaysia Airlines flight 370:

https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/sci.electronics.design/c/QSwrqfKRUr0/m/ljWfOOueAwAJ
Since nobody has found the wreck yet, this is pure speculation.

Right-wing lunatics like gggg gggg and Flyguy think that lithium batteries can explode spontaneously, without prior warning. In reality the process of increasing self-discharge and self-heating that can run away when the battery core gets up to about 120C is a long-drawn-out process, and any battery big enough to dangerous comes with a built-in battery monitor that keeps track of the temperature of the battery core and the battery surface, and makes all kind of fuss if the battery is showing significant self-heating..

What about this recent fire at Sydney airport?:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-12/sydney-airport-lithium-ion-battery-causes-fire/102846146

If you had actually read the report you\'d be aware that the battery had been taken out of the car sometime before it caught fire.

Why a detached battery had been left there hasn\'t yet been explained, but presumably there were issues with the battery that had lead to it being taken out if the car. The idiot owner issue may turn out to be an element in the incident.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 8:50:03 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:

On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 3:40:51 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:42:25 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:09:36 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:05:51 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:51:19 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 10:38:27 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
The much heavier weight of EVs could cause parking garages to collapse. An EV fire in a parking garage is virtually impossible to fight. They are also a threat to lighter ICE cars in a crash. On top of that, EV owners don\'t pay for road maintenance and construction because they don\'t pay gas taxes!

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/growing-electric-vehicle-sales-bring-concerns-over-safety-hazards
(2023 Youtube upload):

\"EV\'s Are Exploding In Shocking Numbers\"

Lithium batteries are also a risk to airplanes:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lithium+battery+fire+airplane+
Lithium batteries may have had something to do with with the disappearance almost 10 years ago of Malaysia Airlines flight 370:

https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/sci.electronics.design/c/QSwrqfKRUr0/m/ljWfOOueAwAJ
Since nobody has found the wreck yet, this is pure speculation.

Right-wing lunatics like gggg gggg and Flyguy think that lithium batteries can explode spontaneously, without prior warning. In reality the process of increasing self-discharge and self-heating thant can run away when the battery core gets up to about 120C is along=drawn out process, and any battery big enough to dangerous comes with a built-in battery monitor that keeps track of the temperature of the battery core and the battery surface, and makes all kind of fuss if the battery is showing significant self-heating.

This recent article says:

- According to the Daily Mail, there were 180 Lithium battery fires in NSW in 2022.

https://www.spectator.com.au/2023/09/lithium-battery-fires-will-cause-a-tragedy/

The Australian Spectator is written for right-wing lunatic by right-wing lunatics. Rather like the UK Daily Mail, but an Australian version.

The picture at the head of the article is of an E-bike shop that doesn\'t seem to have been an Australian establishment, and the article repeats your favourite myth about lithium batteries going into thermal runway without prior warning, which doesn\'t happen to be true. Sufficiently idiotic owners can ignore the prior warning but that is a different issue.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Eddy Lee]

On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 5:31:50 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 8:50:03 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 3:40:51 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:42:25 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:09:36 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:05:51 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:51:19 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 10:38:27 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
The much heavier weight of EVs could cause parking garages to collapse. An EV fire in a parking garage is virtually impossible to fight. They are also a threat to lighter ICE cars in a crash. On top of that, EV owners don\'t pay for road maintenance and construction because they don\'t pay gas taxes!

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/growing-electric-vehicle-sales-bring-concerns-over-safety-hazards
(2023 Youtube upload):

\"EV\'s Are Exploding In Shocking Numbers\"

Lithium batteries are also a risk to airplanes:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lithium+battery+fire+airplane+
Lithium batteries may have had something to do with with the disappearance almost 10 years ago of Malaysia Airlines flight 370:

https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/sci.electronics.design/c/QSwrqfKRUr0/m/ljWfOOueAwAJ
Since nobody has found the wreck yet, this is pure speculation.

Right-wing lunatics like gggg gggg and Flyguy think that lithium batteries can explode spontaneously, without prior warning. In reality the process of increasing self-discharge and self-heating thant can run away when the battery core gets up to about 120C is along=drawn out process, and any battery big enough to dangerous comes with a built-in battery monitor that keeps track of the temperature of the battery core and the battery surface, and makes all kind of fuss if the battery is showing significant self-heating.

This recent article says:

- According to the Daily Mail, there were 180 Lithium battery fires in NSW in 2022.

https://www.spectator.com.au/2023/09/lithium-battery-fires-will-cause-a-tragedy/
The Australian Spectator is written for right-wing lunatic by right-wing lunatics. Rather like the UK Daily Mail, but an Australian version.

The picture at the head of the article is of an E-bike shop that doesn\'t seem to have been an Australian establishment, and the article repeats your favourite myth about lithium batteries going into thermal runway without prior warning, which doesn\'t happen to be true. Sufficiently idiotic owners can ignore the prior warning but that is a different issue.

Area code 917 is New York City. It\'s just reprint of NY story.

 

[Ricky]

On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 6:40:51 AM UTC-4, gggg gggg wrote:

On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:42:25 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:09:36 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:05:51 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:51:19 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 10:38:27 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
The much heavier weight of EVs could cause parking garages to collapse. An EV fire in a parking garage is virtually impossible to fight. They are also a threat to lighter ICE cars in a crash. On top of that, EV owners don\'t pay for road maintenance and construction because they don\'t pay gas taxes!

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/growing-electric-vehicle-sales-bring-concerns-over-safety-hazards
(2023 Youtube upload):

\"EV\'s Are Exploding In Shocking Numbers\"

Lithium batteries are also a risk to airplanes:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lithium+battery+fire+airplane+
Lithium batteries may have had something to do with with the disappearance almost 10 years ago of Malaysia Airlines flight 370:

https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/sci.electronics.design/c/QSwrqfKRUr0/m/ljWfOOueAwAJ
Since nobody has found the wreck yet, this is pure speculation.

Right-wing lunatics like gggg gggg and Flyguy think that lithium batteries can explode spontaneously, without prior warning. In reality the process of increasing self-discharge and self-heating thant can run away when the battery core gets up to about 120C is along=drawn out process, and any battery big enough to dangerous comes with a built-in battery monitor that keeps track of the temperature of the battery core and the battery surface, and makes all kind of fuss if the battery is showing significant self-heating.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
What about this recent fire at Sydney airport?:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-12/sydney-airport-lithium-ion-battery-causes-fire/102846146

That little thing? The really odd part is, the battery was not in the car when it caught fire. WTF???

https://insideevs.com/news/392047/bloomberg-ev-fire-cause-diesel/

This was initially reported to have started as an EV fire. They corrected it later to say it was a diesel car that first caught fire. Hundreds of cars and the airport was shut down. Diesels are dangerous!

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[Flyguy]

On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 5:31:50 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 8:50:03 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 3:40:51 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:42:25 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:09:36 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:05:51 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:51:19 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 10:38:27 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
The much heavier weight of EVs could cause parking garages to collapse. An EV fire in a parking garage is virtually impossible to fight. They are also a threat to lighter ICE cars in a crash. On top of that, EV owners don\'t pay for road maintenance and construction because they don\'t pay gas taxes!

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/growing-electric-vehicle-sales-bring-concerns-over-safety-hazards
(2023 Youtube upload):

\"EV\'s Are Exploding In Shocking Numbers\"

Lithium batteries are also a risk to airplanes:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lithium+battery+fire+airplane+
Lithium batteries may have had something to do with with the disappearance almost 10 years ago of Malaysia Airlines flight 370:

https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/sci.electronics.design/c/QSwrqfKRUr0/m/ljWfOOueAwAJ
Since nobody has found the wreck yet, this is pure speculation.

Right-wing lunatics like gggg gggg and Flyguy think that lithium batteries can explode spontaneously, without prior warning. In reality the process of increasing self-discharge and self-heating thant can run away when the battery core gets up to about 120C is along=drawn out process, and any battery big enough to dangerous comes with a built-in battery monitor that keeps track of the temperature of the battery core and the battery surface, and makes all kind of fuss if the battery is showing significant self-heating.

This recent article says:

- According to the Daily Mail, there were 180 Lithium battery fires in NSW in 2022.

https://www.spectator.com.au/2023/09/lithium-battery-fires-will-cause-a-tragedy/
The Australian Spectator is written for right-wing lunatic by right-wing lunatics. Rather like the UK Daily Mail, but an Australian version.

Do you notice a pattern here? Bozo immediately claims a news source as being \"right-wing lunatic\" when he doesn\'t have a rebuttal that a third-grader would buy into.
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[Anthony William Sloman]

On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 6:32:42 AM UTC+10, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:

mandag den 25. september 2023 kl. 21.45.24 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 12:49:18 PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 24 Sep 2023 09:15:55 -0700 (PDT), Ricky
gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 9:33:46?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 22:38:22 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

The much heavier weight of EVs could cause parking garages to collapse. An EV fire in a parking garage is virtually impossible to fight. They are also a threat to lighter ICE cars in a crash. On top of that, EV owners don\'t pay for road maintenance and construction because they don\'t pay gas taxes!

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/growing-electric-vehicle-sales-bring-concerns-over-safety-hazards

These infernal things are an absolute menace. It\'s so easy as a
pedestrian to get hit by one passing by because you can\'t hear it
coming.

If you can\'t hear an EV coming, it\'s because you are deaf. It was a couple of years ago, they required EVs to make noise equivalent to an ICE when driving at parking lot speeds. On the road, tires make as much noise as a car engine.

I don\'t give a damn how much noise they don\'t make on the highway. The fact is in Yurp they\'re as silent as the grave - which is where any unfortunate pedestrian who encounters one will end up if he\'s hit by one.

I just explained to you how new EVs all have to make noise at parking lot speeds. Then there is the fact that you are blind, since you should be looking where you are going. It\'s not all up to the driver of the car to avoid the pedestrians who walk in front of him.

I note that aspect is missing from the article yet it\'s probably one of the most important safety issues regarding EVs

Which is not supported by any facts.

Perhaps not in your neck of the woods, but hereabouts it\'s certainly the case.

Cursitor Doom is very fond of his fatuous nonsense, He even imagines that it is true.

(apart from the fact that they spontaneously combust whilst locking all the doors so no one can get out.)

Again, not supported by the facts.

Bloody well is! I have posted several links to Teslas bursting into flames and cooking their passengers whose egress from the conflagration (and it *is* a conflagration, believe me) was prevented by the doors automatically locking them inside.

Cursitor Doom\'s imaginary links are like Flyguy\'s - they don\'t say what he seems to think they say and he prefers to claim that he has posted them rather than reposting the actual links

The doors don\'t \"lock\". My doors have a mechanical handle. I can open them at any time. Please stop lying about this.

You know damn well this lead to the somewhat tasteless joke about a \"free cremation for every new owner\" going the rounds a while ago.

In the media that caters for right-wing lunatics, by broad-casting their favouirite delusions.

And we haven\'t even begun to get to grips with the environmental cost of dealing with end-of-life batteries for these things, which can easily weigh 1400kg a piece!

Not sure which vehicle you are talking about. My model X has a 540 kg battery and it\'s one of the largest EVs on the road. EV batteries are recycled, first by using them as batteries in stationary applications, then by using the materia lnside

Er, no, sorry. That\'s the line spouted by the manufacturers but it\'s not the actual reality. The fact of the matter is that there is an incipient environmental catastrophe unfolding right now.

Yes!!! We are very much aware of climate change caused by the massive emissions of CO2, largely by autos.

road transport about 30% of global CO2 emissions, cars about half of those 30%.

Lots of emissions will go away when we stop generating electricity by burning fossil carbon. Fossil-fuel powered vehicles have to be replaced.

And it will become increasingly difficult for people like yourself to ignore now that the first generation of these EVs are reaching end of life.

The \"first generation\" of EVs sold in the 10\'s of thousands per year. The Nissan leaf sold 100,000 a year at some point. The Tesla model 3 is the first car to sell in significant volumes and started shipping in 2018. So you are a long way off, as is any \"crisis\" in recycling the batteries. You need to keep in mind that these batteries aren\'t tossed when they reach 70% capacity. They are simply removed from automotive use and put into stationary applications.

Seriously, these things are a menace and need to be taken off the roads and production of any more shut down world-wide.

Nobody sane is going to take Cursitor Doomn seriously.

It\'s fortunate that you stand alone in this idea, other than a few other kooks.

You and that conspicuous idiot Bill Sloman are the only kooks ignoring the reality of the situation here.

The rational majority is rather more numerous than that, but most of them have enough sense not to post here.

> > > You mark my words: the disposal of EV batteries will be the next BIG ISSUE going forward. MARK MY WORDS....

You\'ve earned an F - for fatuous.

You are pretty funny. When will this catastrophe happen?

How many tires does your car go through? What is the volume and weight of those tires? What the hell do they do with all of them? God forbid they catch on fire. They never get put out. Even if not on fire, they hold water and create mosquito breeding grounds. But you don\'t seem to think they are a problem.

Tire manufacturer says EVs use tires about 30% faster that ICE cars.

EV\'s are typically 30% heavier than ICE cars.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 2:28:33 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:

On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 5:31:50 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 8:50:03 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 3:40:51 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:42:25 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:09:36 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:05:51 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:51:19 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 10:38:27 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

Right-wing lunatics like gggg gggg and Flyguy think that lithium batteries can explode spontaneously, without prior warning. In reality the process of increasing self-discharge and self-heating thant can run away when the battery core gets up to about 120C is along=drawn out process, and any battery big enough to dangerous comes with a built-in battery monitor that keeps track of the temperature of the battery core and the battery surface, and makes all kind of fuss if the battery is showing significant self-heating.

This recent article says:

- According to the Daily Mail, there were 180 Lithium battery fires in NSW in 2022.

https://www.spectator.com.au/2023/09/lithium-battery-fires-will-cause-a-tragedy/

The Australian Spectator is written for right-wing lunatic by right-wing lunatics. Rather like the UK Daily Mail, but an Australian version.

Do you notice a pattern here? Bozo immediately claims a news source as being \"right-wing lunatic\" when he doesn\'t have a rebuttal that a third-grader would buy into.

Sewage Sweeper might have noted that \"lithium battery fires\" includes stuff like mobile phones and cheap electric bikes and scooters going up in flames because their idiot owners weren\'t paying attention.
Cars are big enough and expensive enough to include proper battery condition monitoring (though idiots like Sewage Sweeper and Cursitor Doom would probably ignore any warnings that weren\'t loud enough to upset the neighbours as well).

Sewage Sweeper is a right-wing lunatic, and as such he\'s much too stupid to be worth rebutting. He just \"translates\" the rebuttal into the message he wants to hear, and ignores message that he couldn\'t manage to understand.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney