Europeans drop watt in favour of lumen

[Eeyore]

ian field wrote:

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@notmail.com> wrote
ian field wrote:
"The Real Andy" <therealandy@nospam.com> wrote

Seems the europeans have finally had the bright idea of using lumens
instead of watts for the classification of light bulbs.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1187175/So-watts-lumen-The-EUs-bright-idea-rename-light-bulbs.html

That does it! - I'm voting UKIP at the MEP elections on the 4th of next
month.

Lumens are are a UK ( SI ) measurement. Lumens actually tell you how
bright the light is.

In the long term, lumens is a good idea, especially as emerging technologies
mature. My point is that Joe public has already been misled by comparing a
20W CFL to a 100W "soft tone" - it certainly isn't equal to a standard 100W
incandescent,

No argument there.

so there is already widespread mistrust, adding a new measure
will only further muddy the water.

It's not a new measure. Lumens are already stated on the package. LOOK ! I've got one incandescent and one CFL
right in front of me with BOTH W and lumens. What it will do is UNmuddy the water.

Find a better reason to vote UKIP, it's not hard.

Easy! - we pay the EU Ł40M *A DAY* and all we get in return is a flood of
economic migrants and a steady stream of head up arse legislation who's only
purpose is to justify the existence of the corrupt arseholes passing it!!!

Are you aware that 60% of British legislation is not discussed in Parliament any more ? Brussels issues an 'Order
in Council' and we enact it via a 'Statutory Instrument' which may not be debated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_instrument
" Many Statutory Instruments have been made under the European Communities Act 1972[1] which allows ministers to
make regulations to give effect to European Union law. "

Graham

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[Eeyore]

Trevor Wilson wrote:

**Three years ago, I replaced the 75 Watt, mirror back lamps (average life -
6 months) in my bathrooms with 23 Watt CFLs (Philips branded, warm white).
Both CFLs are not only still working perfectly (45 second warm-up in
Winter), but they STILL produce significantly more light in every part of
the bathroom (as measured by my light meter).

That's because a 23W CFL is close to a 75 W GLS incandescent. Over here they're trying to kid us that some 18W CFLs
produce as much light as a 100 W GLS incandescent which is manifestly untrue, so they cover themselves by saying "
equivalent to a 100 W 'softone' bulb ".

Graham

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[Eeyore]

Trevor Wilson wrote:

"terryc" <newssevenspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote
On Fri, 29 May 2009 09:29:10 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:

As soon as 15 LED downlights hit a reasonable
price point, I'll replace all my halogens too.

What do you see as a resonable price?

**That was 15 Watt LEDs, BTW. I'd be happy to pay $20.00 each for Cree
chipped ones.

OSRAM are coming on too.

Jury rigged the one sold by electus into a desk lamp and the output is
not that impressive or as useful as the funny little bulb it replaced.

**15 Watt Cree ones are VERY impressive. As much grunt as a 50 Watt halogen.
I use a 5 Watt one as a stair light and it works a treat. Mostly because
access is bloody near impossible.

Beware of the colour temp though. The most efficient are VERY blue hued ( 6500K
typically ).

Graham

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[Eeyore]

terryc wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

Lumens are are a UK ( SI ) measurement.

Apart from being a contrived measure, what are they?

What contrived about it ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumen_(unit)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candela

And how does measuring the power INPUT of a bulb help you assess its
lighting worth when most is converted to heat ?

Graham

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[Eeyore]

terryc wrote:

I remember a few other "we are going to drop this and replace it with
that" events. total schmozzles. If they want to bring in lumens as an
additional rating system, then fine, but not as the expense of watts.

It isn't going to be at the expense of watts, you twat. ALL electrical
apparatus must state its power consumption. You fell for the lying /
deceptive article. The info is already there on the boxes I have.

Graham

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[Eeyore]

"Mr.T" wrote:

"The Real Andy" <therealandy@nospam.com> wrote

Seems the europeans have finally had the bright idea of using lumens
instead of watts for the classification of light bulbs.

Surely BOTH are important measures of completely different properties.

Correct.

Graham


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[Eeyore]

petrus bitbyter wrote:

"The Real Andy" <therealandy@nospam.com> schreef

Seems the europeans have finally had the bright idea of using lumens
instead of watts for the classification of light bulbs.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1187175/So-watts-lumen-The-EUs-bright-idea-rename-light-bulbs.html

I want to see both Watts and lumens on the label as I want to know the light
and the costs.

Strangely enough they both are already on the ones I have if you care to look.

Graham

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[Eeyore]

The Real Andy wrote:

Quite unlike watts which are meaningless measure of
the optical output of a light.

They're not even that. All the watt rating is, is the electrical power INPUT.
It tells you NOTHING about the light output any more than gallons would tell
you how far your car would travel without an mpg figure.

Graham

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[Sylvia Else]

Eeyore wrote:

terryc wrote:

On Fri, 29 May 2009 16:11:58 +1000, Phil Allison wrote:

** The makers of the lamps do all lumen measurements for you !!!
Right!, and they wouldn't be inclined to fudge the figures now would they?

That would break consumer law. The figures I've seen seem consistent. I have a
150W frosted GLS bulb right here rated at 2140 lumens.

A 20W CFL that 'claims' to be equivalent to a 100W GLS offers only 850 lumens
( 40% of my 150W GLS ) ! Seems to me this could backfire on the adoption of
CFLs.

Graham


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It always seemed to me that their equivalence claims stretched the
boundaries of truth. I'm using 20W CFLs where I'd certainly have found
100W incandescents to be too bright (and couldn't be used anyway,
because they'd exceed the shade's thermal capacity).

Sylvia.

 

[terryc]

On Sat, 30 May 2009 05:24:57 +0100, Eeyore wrote:

You will find it quoted on most bulbs sold in the UK if you look.

Lol, guess that is like all your advice, not relevenat or helpful.

 

[terryc]

On Sat, 30 May 2009 05:29:11 +0100, Eeyore wrote:

That would break consumer law.

<shakes head>

 

[terryc]

On Sat, 30 May 2009 05:48:47 +0100, Eeyore wrote:

The info is already there on the boxes I have.

Yes, but you're just another lying whinging pom.

 

[terryc]

On Sat, 30 May 2009 05:38:16 +0100, Eeyore wrote:

Are you aware that 60% of British legislation

Blink, we became a seperate nation quite a few decades ago old chap.

 

[terryc]

On Sat, 30 May 2009 05:54:00 +0100, Eeyore wrote:

Strangely enough they both are already on the ones I have if you care to
look.

Lol, bet you are a cheap bastard and won't shell up the return air fare.

 

[Phil Allison]

"terrycunt"

Eeysore wrote:

That would break consumer law.

shakes head

** Makes loud rattling noise ...

then falls off.



...... Phil

 

[Sylvia Else]

terryc wrote:

On Sat, 30 May 2009 05:29:11 +0100, Eeyore wrote:

That would break consumer law.

shakes head

What? You think it wouldn't?

Sylvia.

 

[Sylvia Else]

The Real Andy wrote:

Seems the europeans have finally had the bright idea of using lumens
instead of watts for the classification of light bulbs.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1187175/So-watts-lumen-The-EUs-bright-idea-rename-light-bulbs.html

They could usefully require that the light output when cold after, say,
50 hours of total use, also be quoted.

Sylvia.

 

[rebel]

On Sat, 30 May 2009 17:28:50 +1000, Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
wrote:

The Real Andy wrote:
Seems the europeans have finally had the bright idea of using lumens
instead of watts for the classification of light bulbs.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1187175/So-watts-lumen-The-EUs-bright-idea-rename-light-bulbs.html


They could usefully require that the light output when cold after, say,
50 hours of total use, also be quoted.

or after 5 seconds. Many of the types I've encountered wouldn't make 50% of
their "ten minute output" at that time.

 

[terryc]

On Sat, 30 May 2009 16:50:45 +1000, Sylvia Else wrote:

terryc wrote:
On Sat, 30 May 2009 05:29:11 +0100, Eeyore wrote:

That would break consumer law.

shakes head

What? You think it wouldn't?

Wrong phrasing; what makes you think they wouldn't?

 

[terryc]

On Sat, 30 May 2009 16:01:55 +1000, Phil Allison wrote:

** Makes loud rattling noise ...

then falls off.

You have a bad ear wax problem there mate.
Try some metho in the ear.