Electrical licensing FWIW.

[Dianci Maichong]

To state it clearly, I am a licensed electrician. Now in the state of
NSW, where deregulation thrives, this means nothing.

If someone has a gripe about your standard of workmanship having a
license means the someone can seek recompense under law.

So, having a license makes you a target if not a victim.

Without consideration of safety and threats to life and limb what is
to be said about those individuals who show contempt for individuals
like myself, who stand their ground on matters of safety and
regulation.

backyard experts, weekend warriors and cheapskates to boot.

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 6/12/2010 3:16 PM, Dianci Maichong wrote:

To state it clearly, I am a licensed electrician. Now in the state of
NSW, where deregulation thrives, this means nothing.

If someone has a gripe about your standard of workmanship having a
license means the someone can seek recompense under law.

So, having a license makes you a target if not a victim.

Without consideration of safety and threats to life and limb what is
to be said about those individuals who show contempt for individuals
like myself, who stand their ground on matters of safety and
regulation.

backyard experts, weekend warriors and cheapskates to boot.

If there were approved courses and accreditation for performing trivial
jobs such as replacing light switches, then the market would dictate
that such services were cheaper than they actually are when performed by
people who are hugely overqualified for job.

The current legislation is a license to rip people off.

Sylvia.

 

[Dianci Maichong]

On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 14:28:28 +1100, Sylvia Else
<sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote:

On 6/12/2010 3:16 PM, Dianci Maichong wrote:



To state it clearly, I am a licensed electrician. Now in the state of
NSW, where deregulation thrives, this means nothing.

If someone has a gripe about your standard of workmanship having a
license means the someone can seek recompense under law.

So, having a license makes you a target if not a victim.

Without consideration of safety and threats to life and limb what is
to be said about those individuals who show contempt for individuals
like myself, who stand their ground on matters of safety and
regulation.

backyard experts, weekend warriors and cheapskates to boot.

If there were approved courses and accreditation for performing trivial
jobs such as replacing light switches, then the market would dictate
that such services were cheaper than they actually are when performed by
people who are hugely overqualified for job.

The current legislation is a license to rip people off.

Sylvia.

Well now, I feel honoured to have a reply, from you Sylvia.

But what do you actually know about the direction of current flow ?

Are you conventional ? Or could you be my backdoor girl ?

 

[kreed]

On Dec 6, 2:16 pm, Dianci Maichong <bou...@devnull.org> wrote:

To state it clearly, I am a  licensed electrician. Now in the state of
NSW, where deregulation thrives, this means nothing.

If someone has a gripe about your standard of workmanship having a
license means the someone can seek recompense under law.

So, having a license makes you a target if not a victim.

Without consideration of safety and threats to life and limb what is
to be said about those individuals who show contempt for individuals
like myself, who stand their ground on matters of safety and
regulation.

backyard experts, weekend warriors and cheapskates to boot.

Can you explain to what level the electrical industry has been
deregulated in NSW ?

Does this mean that anyone can do their own/other people's wiring
legally, do certain parts of it, are required to
do a course first etc etc ?

 

[Metro]

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
news:8m33iuF561U1@mid.individual.net...

On 6/12/2010 3:16 PM, Dianci Maichong wrote:



To state it clearly, I am a licensed electrician. Now in the state of
NSW, where deregulation thrives, this means nothing.

If someone has a gripe about your standard of workmanship having a
license means the someone can seek recompense under law.

So, having a license makes you a target if not a victim.

Without consideration of safety and threats to life and limb what is
to be said about those individuals who show contempt for individuals
like myself, who stand their ground on matters of safety and
regulation.

backyard experts, weekend warriors and cheapskates to boot.

If there were approved courses and accreditation for performing trivial
jobs such as replacing light switches, then the market would dictate that
such services were cheaper than they actually are when performed by people
who are hugely overqualified for job.

The current legislation is a license to rip people off.

Sylvia.

Rubbish......I'm a licensed contractor. The amount of times especially at
weekends on Sunday afternoons I get requests from friends etc that after all
else fails I get a call to say 'My fan won't go 'round' 'the new light
fitting doesn't work' 'the breaker keeps tripping after I have just tried to
fix .........' etc. is ridiculous....The same goes for my colleagues
The legislation is not to rip folk off. It is to save lives. This time of
the year is a ripper with all the so called Chrissy lights installations. I
cringe on seeing some these creations. Some of your trivial tasks that you
suggest are not so trivial to many. Just because the bloody thing works for
you doesn't mean to say it is safe.
Each to his or her own Sylvia...........Stick to yours please.
You imply that people are over qualified to do simple tasks. Where do you
draw that line?

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 6/12/2010 3:53 PM, Dianci Maichong wrote:

On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 14:28:28 +1100, Sylvia Else
sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote:

On 6/12/2010 3:16 PM, Dianci Maichong wrote:



To state it clearly, I am a licensed electrician. Now in the state of
NSW, where deregulation thrives, this means nothing.

If someone has a gripe about your standard of workmanship having a
license means the someone can seek recompense under law.

So, having a license makes you a target if not a victim.

Without consideration of safety and threats to life and limb what is
to be said about those individuals who show contempt for individuals
like myself, who stand their ground on matters of safety and
regulation.

backyard experts, weekend warriors and cheapskates to boot.

If there were approved courses and accreditation for performing trivial
jobs such as replacing light switches, then the market would dictate
that such services were cheaper than they actually are when performed by
people who are hugely overqualified for job.

The current legislation is a license to rip people off.

Sylvia.

Well now, I feel honoured to have a reply, from you Sylvia.

But what do you actually know about the direction of current flow ?

You mean, do I realise that though it's conventionally described as
being from positive to negative, the flow (in metal conductors at least)
consists of the movement of electrons, so the actual flow is in the
other direction? No, of course I don't.

Sylvia

 

[Dianci Maichong]

On Sun, 5 Dec 2010 20:07:42 -0800 (PST), kreed <kenreed1999@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Dec 6, 2:16 pm, Dianci Maichong <bou...@devnull.org> wrote:
To state it clearly, I am a  licensed electrician. Now in the state of
NSW, where deregulation thrives, this means nothing.

If someone has a gripe about your standard of workmanship having a
license means the someone can seek recompense under law.

So, having a license makes you a target if not a victim.

Without consideration of safety and threats to life and limb what is
to be said about those individuals who show contempt for individuals
like myself, who stand their ground on matters of safety and
regulation.

backyard experts, weekend warriors and cheapskates to boot.


Can you explain to what level the electrical industry has been
deregulated in NSW ?

Does this mean that anyone can do their own/other people's wiring
legally, do certain parts of it, are required to
do a course first etc etc ?

It is not as simple as that. Go to Dept of Fair Trading

and drill down to Draft legislation seeking to eliminate

licensing requirements for , in particular, electrical trades.

I am not a member of the ETU , fuck them I say , and that includes the

halfwit John Robertson.


Go figure who is driving the agenda -

Dept of Fair Trading

( read - Big Money )

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 6/12/2010 4:10 PM, Metro wrote:

"Sylvia Else"<sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
news:8m33iuF561U1@mid.individual.net...
On 6/12/2010 3:16 PM, Dianci Maichong wrote:



To state it clearly, I am a licensed electrician. Now in the state of
NSW, where deregulation thrives, this means nothing.

If someone has a gripe about your standard of workmanship having a
license means the someone can seek recompense under law.

So, having a license makes you a target if not a victim.

Without consideration of safety and threats to life and limb what is
to be said about those individuals who show contempt for individuals
like myself, who stand their ground on matters of safety and
regulation.

backyard experts, weekend warriors and cheapskates to boot.

If there were approved courses and accreditation for performing trivial
jobs such as replacing light switches, then the market would dictate that
such services were cheaper than they actually are when performed by people
who are hugely overqualified for job.

The current legislation is a license to rip people off.

Sylvia.

Rubbish......I'm a licensed contractor. The amount of times especially at
weekends on Sunday afternoons I get requests from friends etc that after all
else fails I get a call to say 'My fan won't go 'round' 'the new light
fitting doesn't work' 'the breaker keeps tripping after I have just tried to
fix .........' etc. is ridiculous....The same goes for my colleagues

That just shows that some people are not competent to do the work. I
didn't suggest otherwise.

The legislation is not to rip folk off. It is to save lives. This time of
the year is a ripper with all the so called Chrissy lights installations. I
cringe on seeing some these creations. Some of your trivial tasks that you
suggest are not so trivial to many.

They might well be if the people concerned had taken the approved course
I posited.

Just because the bloody thing works for

you doesn't mean to say it is safe.

Each to his or her own Sylvia...........Stick to yours please.
You imply that people are over qualified to do simple tasks. Where do you
draw that line?

A line can be drawn, and is in other countries. I can't see why
Australia should be any different.

Sylvia.

 

[F Murtz]

Sylvia Else wrote:

On 6/12/2010 4:10 PM, Metro wrote:
"Sylvia Else"<sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
news:8m33iuF561U1@mid.individual.net...
On 6/12/2010 3:16 PM, Dianci Maichong wrote:



To state it clearly, I am a licensed electrician. Now in the state of
NSW, where deregulation thrives, this means nothing.

If someone has a gripe about your standard of workmanship having a
license means the someone can seek recompense under law.

So, having a license makes you a target if not a victim.

Without consideration of safety and threats to life and limb what is
to be said about those individuals who show contempt for individuals
like myself, who stand their ground on matters of safety and
regulation.

backyard experts, weekend warriors and cheapskates to boot.

If there were approved courses and accreditation for performing trivial
jobs such as replacing light switches, then the market would dictate
that
such services were cheaper than they actually are when performed by
people
who are hugely overqualified for job.

The current legislation is a license to rip people off.

Sylvia.

Rubbish......I'm a licensed contractor. The amount of times especially at
weekends on Sunday afternoons I get requests from friends etc that
after all
else fails I get a call to say 'My fan won't go 'round' 'the new light
fitting doesn't work' 'the breaker keeps tripping after I have just
tried to
fix .........' etc. is ridiculous....The same goes for my colleagues

That just shows that some people are not competent to do the work. I
didn't suggest otherwise.

The legislation is not to rip folk off. It is to save lives. This time of
the year is a ripper with all the so called Chrissy lights
installations. I
cringe on seeing some these creations. Some of your trivial tasks that
you
suggest are not so trivial to many.

They might well be if the people concerned had taken the approved course
I posited.

Just because the bloody thing works for
you doesn't mean to say it is safe.

Each to his or her own Sylvia...........Stick to yours please.
You imply that people are over qualified to do simple tasks. Where do you
draw that line?

A line can be drawn, and is in other countries. I can't see why
Australia should be any different.

Sylvia.

In Britain individuals can do all manners of work at home without a
license, the proviso being, that you are competent, for instance a
person with electrical background may be capable of satisfactory
workmanship in many other trades as they see all the other trades
working alongside and therefore indirectly learn them.
even an office worker, or hobbyist or handyman with a mechanical
aptitude can with research, be perfectly capable of many repairs at home.
How many householders can change a washer or replace a power outlet
safely? there are many, but it is illegal so to do in Australia.

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 6/12/2010 6:56 PM, F Murtz wrote:

Sylvia Else wrote:
On 6/12/2010 4:10 PM, Metro wrote:
"Sylvia Else"<sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
news:8m33iuF561U1@mid.individual.net...
On 6/12/2010 3:16 PM, Dianci Maichong wrote:



To state it clearly, I am a licensed electrician. Now in the state of
NSW, where deregulation thrives, this means nothing.

If someone has a gripe about your standard of workmanship having a
license means the someone can seek recompense under law.

So, having a license makes you a target if not a victim.

Without consideration of safety and threats to life and limb what is
to be said about those individuals who show contempt for individuals
like myself, who stand their ground on matters of safety and
regulation.

backyard experts, weekend warriors and cheapskates to boot.

If there were approved courses and accreditation for performing trivial
jobs such as replacing light switches, then the market would dictate
that
such services were cheaper than they actually are when performed by
people
who are hugely overqualified for job.

The current legislation is a license to rip people off.

Sylvia.

Rubbish......I'm a licensed contractor. The amount of times
especially at
weekends on Sunday afternoons I get requests from friends etc that
after all
else fails I get a call to say 'My fan won't go 'round' 'the new light
fitting doesn't work' 'the breaker keeps tripping after I have just
tried to
fix .........' etc. is ridiculous....The same goes for my colleagues

That just shows that some people are not competent to do the work. I
didn't suggest otherwise.

The legislation is not to rip folk off. It is to save lives. This
time of
the year is a ripper with all the so called Chrissy lights
installations. I
cringe on seeing some these creations. Some of your trivial tasks that
you
suggest are not so trivial to many.

They might well be if the people concerned had taken the approved course
I posited.

Just because the bloody thing works for
you doesn't mean to say it is safe.

Each to his or her own Sylvia...........Stick to yours please.
You imply that people are over qualified to do simple tasks. Where do
you
draw that line?

A line can be drawn, and is in other countries. I can't see why
Australia should be any different.

Sylvia.

In Britain individuals can do all manners of work at home without a
license, the proviso being, that you are competent, for instance a
person with electrical background may be capable of satisfactory
workmanship in many other trades as they see all the other trades
working alongside and therefore indirectly learn them.
even an office worker, or hobbyist or handyman with a mechanical
aptitude can with research, be perfectly capable of many repairs at home.
How many householders can change a washer or replace a power outlet
safely? there are many, but it is illegal so to do in Australia.

One thing I find anomalous is that a tradesman in another discpline, for
example plumbing, can get a licence allowing him to perform work of
connecting an appliance to existing wiring, yet the home owner cannot
get a licence to do the same thing.

Sylvia.

 

[fritz]

"Metro" <stand@attention> wrote in message news:4cfc7034$0$3031$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message news:8m33iuF561U1@mid.individual.net...
On 6/12/2010 3:16 PM, Dianci Maichong wrote:



To state it clearly, I am a licensed electrician. Now in the state of
NSW, where deregulation thrives, this means nothing.

If someone has a gripe about your standard of workmanship having a
license means the someone can seek recompense under law.

So, having a license makes you a target if not a victim.

Without consideration of safety and threats to life and limb what is
to be said about those individuals who show contempt for individuals
like myself, who stand their ground on matters of safety and
regulation.

backyard experts, weekend warriors and cheapskates to boot.

If there were approved courses and accreditation for performing trivial jobs such as replacing light switches, then the market
would dictate that such services were cheaper than they actually are when performed by people who are hugely overqualified for
job.

The current legislation is a license to rip people off.

Sylvia.

Rubbish......I'm a licensed contractor. The amount of times especially at weekends on Sunday afternoons I get requests from
friends etc that after all else fails I get a call to say 'My fan won't go 'round' 'the new light fitting doesn't work' 'the
breaker keeps tripping after I have just tried to fix .........' etc. is ridiculous....The same goes for my colleagues
The legislation is not to rip folk off. It is to save lives. This time of the year is a ripper with all the so called Chrissy
lights installations. I cringe on seeing some these creations. Some of your trivial tasks that you suggest are not so trivial to
many. Just because the bloody thing works for you doesn't mean to say it is safe.
Each to his or her own Sylvia...........Stick to yours please.
You imply that people are over qualified to do simple tasks. Where do you draw that line?

Of course you will defend your cushy monopoly - but your argument is bullshit.
Silicon Chip exposed the fallacy of 'safety' lies that are used to justify a
ridiculous position. The 'safety' argument is rubbish.
There are many countries where people can install wiring etc. and - PAY
CLOSE ATTENTION HERE - those countries DO NOT have a safety problem.
So the safety argument is proven bullshit - the facts PROVE it is crap.

Wiring a GPO does not require a union ticket - all you need is some basic
information.
http://www.energysafety.govt.nz/templates/Page____17682.aspx

 

[Dianci Maichong]

On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 19:06:28 +1100, Sylvia Else
<sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote:

On 6/12/2010 6:56 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:

In Britain individuals can do all manners of work at home without a
license, the proviso being, that you are competent, for instance a
person with electrical background may be capable of satisfactory
workmanship in many other trades as they see all the other trades
working alongside and therefore indirectly learn them.
even an office worker, or hobbyist or handyman with a mechanical
aptitude can with research, be perfectly capable of many repairs at home.
How many householders can change a washer or replace a power outlet
safely? there are many, but it is illegal so to do in Australia.

One thing I find anomalous is that a tradesman in another discpline, for
example plumbing, can get a licence allowing him to perform work of
connecting an appliance to existing wiring, yet the home owner cannot
get a licence to do the same thing.

Sylvia.

To recount my own experience when I started out in 1967 to learn the
trade as an apprentice I did not see it as a second rate choice but
rather a means to survive.

I was expelled from high school for being a bad influence on regular
type students.

I liked the Troggs and the Rolling Stones and I was Bad.

Being a first-generation Australian by birth of immigrant parents I
did not feel alien and often had to defend the honour of my parents
and my heritage.

To make this story shorter I can say I was not infected with The
Diploma Disease.

Many people I met along the way were infected and I can say the
majority were very unhappy.

Years later my schoolmate who studied economics and became an
accountant could never work out why a lousy electrician earned more
money week to week than he did.

So, we all do what we have to do but many miss the point.

In Australia, the shitstym dictates that higher education is the true
path. This is plainly not true.

As an electrician I have worked in open-hearth furnaces, blast
furnaces, underground coal mines, power stations , asbestos mines
tomato sauce factories and any joint that run on electricity.

Licensing in NSW was initialy administered by the Dept of Energy.
In those days a license was valid for the holders lifetime, no renewal
required and no fees attached.

Then they privatised the Electricity Commission and all us
electricians were issued friggin gold licenses. Bad move
We all had to pay for annual renewals.

And it has been downhill ever since. Nobody has any respect for the
common sense requirements for the preservation of health and
happiness. Employers always love the mad sparkies who are skilled
enough to troubleshoot live equipment with minimal disruption to
production output.

Been there, done that. A lot wiser now and still happy and healthy.

Unlike some , blinded limbless paralysed and totalled.

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 6/12/2010 10:34 PM, HW-K wrote:

On Sun, 5 Dec 2010 20:07:42 -0800 (PST), kreed<kenreed1999@gmail.com
wrote:

On Dec 6, 2:16 pm, Dianci Maichong<bou...@devnull.org> wrote:
To state it clearly, I am a licensed electrician. Now in the state of
NSW, where deregulation thrives, this means nothing.

If someone has a gripe about your standard of workmanship having a
license means the someone can seek recompense under law.

So, having a license makes you a target if not a victim.

Without consideration of safety and threats to life and limb what is
to be said about those individuals who show contempt for individuals
like myself, who stand their ground on matters of safety and
regulation.

backyard experts, weekend warriors and cheapskates to boot.


Can you explain to what level the electrical industry has been
deregulated in NSW ?

Does this mean that anyone can do their own/other people's wiring
legally, do certain parts of it, are required to
do a course first etc etc ?

Thinking laterally now. How about you call the people who insure your
home about the cost of annual renewal. Tell them that you rewired your
home yourself. Tell them also that you thought long and hard about the
pros and cons and that to save money you did not think it was
necessary to use an electrician ( aka - a rip-off artist )

Let us know what they say.

They'll probably toe the party line.

But what of countries where people are permitted to do this? Do insurers
bother to ask? If not, what does that say about the actual level of risk
to the insurer?

Sylvia.

 

[fritz]

"Dianci Maichong" <bounce@devnull.org> wrote in message news:7phpf6lc97nr894orv5r0m60quu3gk2qd9@4ax.com...

On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 10:17:55 +0100, "fritz" <yaputya@microsoft.com
wrote:


"Metro" <stand@attention> wrote in message news:4cfc7034$0$3031$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message news:8m33iuF561U1@mid.individual.net...
On 6/12/2010 3:16 PM, Dianci Maichong wrote:



To state it clearly, I am a licensed electrician. Now in the state of
NSW, where deregulation thrives, this means nothing.

If someone has a gripe about your standard of workmanship having a
license means the someone can seek recompense under law.

So, having a license makes you a target if not a victim.

Without consideration of safety and threats to life and limb what is
to be said about those individuals who show contempt for individuals
like myself, who stand their ground on matters of safety and
regulation.

backyard experts, weekend warriors and cheapskates to boot.

If there were approved courses and accreditation for performing trivial jobs such as replacing light switches, then the market
would dictate that such services were cheaper than they actually are when performed by people who are hugely overqualified for
job.

The current legislation is a license to rip people off.

Sylvia.

Rubbish......I'm a licensed contractor. The amount of times especially at weekends on Sunday afternoons I get requests from
friends etc that after all else fails I get a call to say 'My fan won't go 'round' 'the new light fitting doesn't work' 'the
breaker keeps tripping after I have just tried to fix .........' etc. is ridiculous....The same goes for my colleagues
The legislation is not to rip folk off. It is to save lives. This time of the year is a ripper with all the so called Chrissy
lights installations. I cringe on seeing some these creations. Some of your trivial tasks that you suggest are not so trivial to
many. Just because the bloody thing works for you doesn't mean to say it is safe.
Each to his or her own Sylvia...........Stick to yours please.
You imply that people are over qualified to do simple tasks. Where do you draw that line?

Of course you will defend your cushy monopoly - but your argument is bullshit.
Silicon Chip exposed the fallacy of 'safety' lies that are used to justify a
ridiculous position. The 'safety' argument is rubbish.
There are many countries where people can install wiring etc. and - PAY
CLOSE ATTENTION HERE - those countries DO NOT have a safety problem.
So the safety argument is proven bullshit - the facts PROVE it is crap.

Wiring a GPO does not require a union ticket - all you need is some basic
information.
http://www.energysafety.govt.nz/templates/Page____17682.aspx



Please note: All readers

This "fritz" talks as if he is substance abuser. Probably alcohol.

A right nasty little bottle of excrement.

May you find a happier life. Somewhere, sometime

You are really a pathetic debater. Look up ad hominem.
Everyone can clearly see that you are unable to present a logical argument.
I suppose you will accuse Silicon Chip of being on drugs next.

 

[fritz]

"HW-K" <Henri@bigpond.com> wrote in message news:3tipf61itgp4opa7997alvs9oqp90gfn8j@4ax.com...

On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 10:17:55 +0100, "fritz" <yaputya@microsoft.com
wrote:


"Metro" <stand@attention> wrote in message news:4cfc7034$0$3031$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message news:8m33iuF561U1@mid.individual.net...
On 6/12/2010 3:16 PM, Dianci Maichong wrote:



To state it clearly, I am a licensed electrician. Now in the state of
NSW, where deregulation thrives, this means nothing.

If someone has a gripe about your standard of workmanship having a
license means the someone can seek recompense under law.

So, having a license makes you a target if not a victim.

Without consideration of safety and threats to life and limb what is
to be said about those individuals who show contempt for individuals
like myself, who stand their ground on matters of safety and
regulation.

backyard experts, weekend warriors and cheapskates to boot.

If there were approved courses and accreditation for performing trivial jobs such as replacing light switches, then the market
would dictate that such services were cheaper than they actually are when performed by people who are hugely overqualified for
job.

The current legislation is a license to rip people off.

Sylvia.

Rubbish......I'm a licensed contractor. The amount of times especially at weekends on Sunday afternoons I get requests from
friends etc that after all else fails I get a call to say 'My fan won't go 'round' 'the new light fitting doesn't work' 'the
breaker keeps tripping after I have just tried to fix .........' etc. is ridiculous....The same goes for my colleagues
The legislation is not to rip folk off. It is to save lives. This time of the year is a ripper with all the so called Chrissy
lights installations. I cringe on seeing some these creations. Some of your trivial tasks that you suggest are not so trivial to
many. Just because the bloody thing works for you doesn't mean to say it is safe.
Each to his or her own Sylvia...........Stick to yours please.
You imply that people are over qualified to do simple tasks. Where do you draw that line?

Of course you will defend your cushy monopoly - but your argument is bullshit.
Silicon Chip exposed the fallacy of 'safety' lies that are used to justify a
ridiculous position. The 'safety' argument is rubbish.
There are many countries where people can install wiring etc. and - PAY
CLOSE ATTENTION HERE - those countries DO NOT have a safety problem.
So the safety argument is proven bullshit - the facts PROVE it is crap.

Wiring a GPO does not require a union ticket - all you need is some basic
information.
http://www.energysafety.govt.nz/templates/Page____17682.aspx



I did'nt see your name in the bibliography

You don't know my name.

 

[Dianci Maichong]

On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 10:17:55 +0100, "fritz" <yaputya@microsoft.com>
wrote:

"Metro" <stand@attention> wrote in message news:4cfc7034$0$3031$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message news:8m33iuF561U1@mid.individual.net...
On 6/12/2010 3:16 PM, Dianci Maichong wrote:



To state it clearly, I am a licensed electrician. Now in the state of
NSW, where deregulation thrives, this means nothing.

If someone has a gripe about your standard of workmanship having a
license means the someone can seek recompense under law.

So, having a license makes you a target if not a victim.

Without consideration of safety and threats to life and limb what is
to be said about those individuals who show contempt for individuals
like myself, who stand their ground on matters of safety and
regulation.

backyard experts, weekend warriors and cheapskates to boot.

If there were approved courses and accreditation for performing trivial jobs such as replacing light switches, then the market
would dictate that such services were cheaper than they actually are when performed by people who are hugely overqualified for
job.

The current legislation is a license to rip people off.

Sylvia.

Rubbish......I'm a licensed contractor. The amount of times especially at weekends on Sunday afternoons I get requests from
friends etc that after all else fails I get a call to say 'My fan won't go 'round' 'the new light fitting doesn't work' 'the
breaker keeps tripping after I have just tried to fix .........' etc. is ridiculous....The same goes for my colleagues
The legislation is not to rip folk off. It is to save lives. This time of the year is a ripper with all the so called Chrissy
lights installations. I cringe on seeing some these creations. Some of your trivial tasks that you suggest are not so trivial to
many. Just because the bloody thing works for you doesn't mean to say it is safe.
Each to his or her own Sylvia...........Stick to yours please.
You imply that people are over qualified to do simple tasks. Where do you draw that line?

Of course you will defend your cushy monopoly - but your argument is bullshit.
Silicon Chip exposed the fallacy of 'safety' lies that are used to justify a
ridiculous position. The 'safety' argument is rubbish.
There are many countries where people can install wiring etc. and - PAY
CLOSE ATTENTION HERE - those countries DO NOT have a safety problem.
So the safety argument is proven bullshit - the facts PROVE it is crap.

Wiring a GPO does not require a union ticket - all you need is some basic
information.
http://www.energysafety.govt.nz/templates/Page____17682.aspx

Please note: All readers

This "fritz" talks as if he is substance abuser. Probably alcohol.

A right nasty little bottle of excrement.

May you find a happier life. Somewhere, sometime

 

[HW-K]

On Sun, 5 Dec 2010 20:07:42 -0800 (PST), kreed <kenreed1999@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Dec 6, 2:16 pm, Dianci Maichong <bou...@devnull.org> wrote:
To state it clearly, I am a  licensed electrician. Now in the state of
NSW, where deregulation thrives, this means nothing.

If someone has a gripe about your standard of workmanship having a
license means the someone can seek recompense under law.

So, having a license makes you a target if not a victim.

Without consideration of safety and threats to life and limb what is
to be said about those individuals who show contempt for individuals
like myself, who stand their ground on matters of safety and
regulation.

backyard experts, weekend warriors and cheapskates to boot.


Can you explain to what level the electrical industry has been
deregulated in NSW ?

Does this mean that anyone can do their own/other people's wiring
legally, do certain parts of it, are required to
do a course first etc etc ?

Thinking laterally now. How about you call the people who insure your
home about the cost of annual renewal. Tell them that you rewired your
home yourself. Tell them also that you thought long and hard about the
pros and cons and that to save money you did not think it was
necessary to use an electrician ( aka - a rip-off artist )

Let us know what they say.

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 6/12/2010 11:27 PM, Dianci Maichong wrote:

Want to tallk about self-destructing aircraft engines ? And the
related insurance issues !

Not sure there's really that much to discuss. Presumably you're thinking
about the Qantas A380. Rolls Royce no doubt have product liability
insurance, which will cover ordinary risks, probably including
negligence. It's only going to get interesting if it can be shown that
RR management wilfully ignored a clearly identified unacceptable risk
(i.e. behaved like NASA management on two occasions). The insurer might
have a get-out clause then, and, as an aside, only the fact that no one
died will keep the management out of prison.

Sylvia.

 

[HW-K]

On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 10:17:55 +0100, "fritz" <yaputya@microsoft.com>
wrote:

"Metro" <stand@attention> wrote in message news:4cfc7034$0$3031$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message news:8m33iuF561U1@mid.individual.net...
On 6/12/2010 3:16 PM, Dianci Maichong wrote:



To state it clearly, I am a licensed electrician. Now in the state of
NSW, where deregulation thrives, this means nothing.

If someone has a gripe about your standard of workmanship having a
license means the someone can seek recompense under law.

So, having a license makes you a target if not a victim.

Without consideration of safety and threats to life and limb what is
to be said about those individuals who show contempt for individuals
like myself, who stand their ground on matters of safety and
regulation.

backyard experts, weekend warriors and cheapskates to boot.

If there were approved courses and accreditation for performing trivial jobs such as replacing light switches, then the market
would dictate that such services were cheaper than they actually are when performed by people who are hugely overqualified for
job.

The current legislation is a license to rip people off.

Sylvia.

Rubbish......I'm a licensed contractor. The amount of times especially at weekends on Sunday afternoons I get requests from
friends etc that after all else fails I get a call to say 'My fan won't go 'round' 'the new light fitting doesn't work' 'the
breaker keeps tripping after I have just tried to fix .........' etc. is ridiculous....The same goes for my colleagues
The legislation is not to rip folk off. It is to save lives. This time of the year is a ripper with all the so called Chrissy
lights installations. I cringe on seeing some these creations. Some of your trivial tasks that you suggest are not so trivial to
many. Just because the bloody thing works for you doesn't mean to say it is safe.
Each to his or her own Sylvia...........Stick to yours please.
You imply that people are over qualified to do simple tasks. Where do you draw that line?

Of course you will defend your cushy monopoly - but your argument is bullshit.
Silicon Chip exposed the fallacy of 'safety' lies that are used to justify a
ridiculous position. The 'safety' argument is rubbish.
There are many countries where people can install wiring etc. and - PAY
CLOSE ATTENTION HERE - those countries DO NOT have a safety problem.
So the safety argument is proven bullshit - the facts PROVE it is crap.

Wiring a GPO does not require a union ticket - all you need is some basic
information.
http://www.energysafety.govt.nz/templates/Page____17682.aspx

I did'nt see your name in the bibliography

Proceedings of the School for Young High-Energy Physicists.

 

[HW-K]

On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 18:24:11 +1100, Sylvia Else
<sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote:

On 6/12/2010 4:10 PM, Metro wrote:
"Sylvia Else"<sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
news:8m33iuF561U1@mid.individual.net...
On 6/12/2010 3:16 PM, Dianci Maichong wrote:



To state it clearly, I am a licensed electrician. Now in the state of
NSW, where deregulation thrives, this means nothing.

If someone has a gripe about your standard of workmanship having a
license means the someone can seek recompense under law.

So, having a license makes you a target if not a victim.

Without consideration of safety and threats to life and limb what is
to be said about those individuals who show contempt for individuals
like myself, who stand their ground on matters of safety and
regulation.

backyard experts, weekend warriors and cheapskates to boot.

If there were approved courses and accreditation for performing trivial
jobs such as replacing light switches, then the market would dictate that
such services were cheaper than they actually are when performed by people
who are hugely overqualified for job.

The current legislation is a license to rip people off.

Sylvia.

Rubbish......I'm a licensed contractor. The amount of times especially at
weekends on Sunday afternoons I get requests from friends etc that after all
else fails I get a call to say 'My fan won't go 'round' 'the new light
fitting doesn't work' 'the breaker keeps tripping after I have just tried to
fix .........' etc. is ridiculous....The same goes for my colleagues

That just shows that some people are not competent to do the work. I
didn't suggest otherwise.

The legislation is not to rip folk off. It is to save lives. This time of
the year is a ripper with all the so called Chrissy lights installations. I
cringe on seeing some these creations. Some of your trivial tasks that you
suggest are not so trivial to many.

They might well be if the people concerned had taken the approved course
I posited.

Just because the bloody thing works for
you doesn't mean to say it is safe.

Each to his or her own Sylvia...........Stick to yours please.
You imply that people are over qualified to do simple tasks. Where do you
draw that line?

A line can be drawn, and is in other countries. I can't see why
Australia should be any different.

Sylvia.

Australia is different in many many aspects.

We have never been inclined towards homogeneity and more importantly

very few of us have read the highly acclaimed and seminal work

Quantenmechanick Fur Fortgeschrittene

Any body want a copy ?