Electrical certification for imported goods

In article <9kth00l2hf86d1mau9dnrb9evnpb01ndp3@4ax.com>,
ks@electronics.co.au says...
On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:28:45 +1300, Mainlander <*@*.*> wrote:

In article <ll1h00dllhpvcfqt7uhmhhcu4vk4ko16bi@4ax.com>,
ks@electronics.co.au says...
On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 11:59:20 +1300, Mainlander <*@*.*> wrote:

In article <fqaf00pbcaq0li2ia1gef8b2ila89a6a3s@4ax.com>,
ks@electronics.co.au says...
On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 20:12:22 +1300, Greg <gregmcc@hotpop.com> wrote:

well maybe it's time someone informed the EWRB



And are you registered, I would say that most in this news group are not..

Don't have to be registered to work on modern PCs



Yes you DO as ou are in contact with 240v..

No you're not. All modern PCs have the 230 V enclosed within a sealed
earthed metal case called the power supply. You only require electrical
registration if you open the case, and that case is usually riveted shut
and can't practically be opened anyway.

Bollocks, you are so full of Crap..

Not in the Case of the Older PC , they have a external Mains switch, and Many
here have stated that they have replace the PSU Fan, I have never ever seen a
Riveted PSU..


You are Full of Bull.
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Please go back and read what I said.
MODERN PC is what I said. You can see it there as plain as day.

If you don't open the power supply case, then you don't require
electrical registration to work on a modern PC.

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In article <tpth00ppcegbqnbe9g88td3ac51ilvmrbv@4ax.com>,
ks@electronics.co.au says...
On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:29:36 +1300, Mainlander <*@*.*> wrote:

In article <6n1h00ljsmhf4u2e6500fau74lapumuesh@4ax.com>,
ks@electronics.co.au says...
On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 11:59:21 +1300, Mainlander <*@*.*> wrote:

In article <v9bf005kentgf033mhbldlqhpim7qae33q@4ax.com>,
ks@electronics.co.au says...
On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 21:02:59 +1300, Lennier <notanyspam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 20:01:22 +1300, K & S wrote:

Are what have you got, you know nothing about my registration or
cerdentials,

Woger - you have posted NOTHING that proves you've EVER been registered
or that you've EVER had any "credentials".

If you've got old certificates - why don't you scan them, produce a Jpeg
image place them on your website and tell us all the URL.

You well know that this will remove all doubt.

It is now time for your to put up your "credentials" or to shut up about
what you don't have.

As its none of you business, I will not, I have no intention of feeding the
Ignorant rabble this visits this new group.

That is exactly the answer that I expected from you.

If you had "credentials" you'd be proud of them and would show them.
Certainly I myself am proud of my Audio Engineering certificate - it
represents a full year of hard work and study. I would pursue the subject
further if their was a follow-up course here in WN. Alas only the Auckland
campus - and I won't move to Auckland.


Lennier



One year course, what utter Crap, I would shout if it was 3 years or more but
not one year, what Kindergarten was that..?

I would state that 96% of the posters here have No Formal Training or any
certificate, and most works on 240v equipment with out any training or
registration at all.

Says who Dodger?

Don't need a registration to work on modern PCs



If the Modem or PC only works on 32v then its OK, but no they use 240v..

All modern computers use a thing called a power supply, that is a sealed
metal case. Since the voltage that comes out of it is 12V or less, you do
not require electrical registration to work on a modern PC.


They have External 240 connected to a Switch and they are easy to open 4
screws..
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Sorry Roger, I said "MODERN PC". All modern PCs have all the 230V power
(note that it is 230V in New Zealand) sealed away in the power supply
case. When you open a PC case, that 230V power supply is all sealed up,
and unless you open the power supply case separately, you are not
required to have electrical certification to work on the PC.

It is not possible when opening a PC case that has the fully enclosed
power supply, with no external 230V terminals that can be contacted
without the use of tools, to accidentally come into contact with 230VAC.
This meets the requirements of the electricity department regulations and
thus, working on any electrical appliance that does not contain any live
bare 230VAC electrical contacts or terminals does not require any
electrical certification.

There are regulations that specify that where voltages are present and
can be contacted, you are allowed to work without registration up to a
certain voltage level. The voltage of max 12 V found in PCs is well
within these limits. Some devices such as modems may however contain
voltages of up to 50 VDC or 70 VAC. An exemption has been made in NZ law
for working on telecommunications equipment that contains these voltages.


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In article <1j6i00p2imm9vhohlkuij50p7n94fjrala@4ax.com>,
ks@electronics.co.au says...
On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 23:06:22 +1300, Malcolm Moore
abor1953needle@yahoodagger.co.nz> wrote:

On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 21:50:51 +1300, K & S
ks@electronics.co.au> wrote:


All modern computers use a thing called a power supply, that is a sealed
metal case. Since the voltage that comes out of it is 12V or less, you do
not require electrical registration to work on a modern PC.


They have External 240 connected to a Switch and they are easy to open 4
screws..

If you go to

http://www.med.govt.nz/ewrb/pdf/elink/update200102.pdf

and look at Technical Corner (page two) you will see the following

.........

Q: A friend of mine repairs computers and says
that he does not require registration. What is
the situation regarding the need for registration for
carrying out such work?

A: Registration is required for the carrying out of
"prescribed electrical work" and working on an
electrical appliance such as a computer is deemed not
to be within this category provided that "the work can
be undertaken without removing screens, covers, or the
like designed to prevent inadvertent contact with fittings
intended to be supplied at voltages above extra low
voltage". Refer to regulation 17 2(b).
In a practical sense this means that, except for the
power supply module, most work on a computer is not
"prescribed electrical work".

...........

In my experience the external switch contacts on a psu are generally
covered with insulation that comes within the description of a screen,
cover or the like. If they aren't then registration is required. It is
up to you to use your discretion.



Most are not covered, plus most here have posted Facts that the open the PSU
to replace the Fan..
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I don'r remember anyone doing this.

Show me a modern computer that has external 230V contacts outside the
power supply case.

That mean bugger all, all gobblegook, they remove the screws to replace the
Fan..
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If you do then certification is required. If you don't then certification
is not required.

I have never over many years of working with PCs, had occasion in my work
to replace a power supply fan. I did this once on one of my home
computers, this is exempt because I owned it.

I would say that replacement of a PSU fan is not a routine service
procedure for a PC. It is far simpler to replace the whole PSU.

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In article <pan.2004.01.17.08.51.54.54127@TRACKER>,
notanyspam@nospam.invalid says...
On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 17:02:32 +1000, The Real Andy wrote:

PS I think you will find that
you are breaching the training providers copyright.

It's *my* certificate - I'll do what I like with it, so long as nobody is
abused or defamed.
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The design and some symbols / logos that are undoubtedly copyrighted to
Tai Poutini Polytech.

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In article <l1uh00p98honj82pjrsmpqeqpumah889mm@4ax.com>,
ks@electronics.co.au says...
On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 19:13:20 +1100, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote:


"Mainlander" <*@*.*> wrote in message news:MPG.1a73ab88ff092eb598a4bf@news.paradise.net.nz...
In article <6n1h00ljsmhf4u2e6500fau74lapumuesh@4ax.com>,
ks@electronics.co.au says...
On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 11:59:21 +1300, Mainlander <*@*.*> wrote:

In article <v9bf005kentgf033mhbldlqhpim7qae33q@4ax.com>,
ks@electronics.co.au says...
On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 21:02:59 +1300, Lennier <notanyspam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 20:01:22 +1300, K & S wrote:

Are what have you got, you know nothing about my registration or
cerdentials,

Woger - you have posted NOTHING that proves you've EVER been registered
or that you've EVER had any "credentials".

If you've got old certificates - why don't you scan them, produce a Jpeg
image place them on your website and tell us all the URL.

You well know that this will remove all doubt.

It is now time for your to put up your "credentials" or to shut up about
what you don't have.

As its none of you business, I will not, I have no intention of feeding the
Ignorant rabble this visits this new group.

That is exactly the answer that I expected from you.

If you had "credentials" you'd be proud of them and would show them.
Certainly I myself am proud of my Audio Engineering certificate - it
represents a full year of hard work and study. I would pursue the subject
further if their was a follow-up course here in WN. Alas only the Auckland
campus - and I won't move to Auckland.


Lennier



One year course, what utter Crap, I would shout if it was 3 years or more but
not one year, what Kindergarten was that..?

I would state that 96% of the posters here have No Formal Training or any
certificate, and most works on 240v equipment with out any training or
registration at all.

Says who Dodger?

Don't need a registration to work on modern PCs



If the Modem or PC only works on 32v then its OK, but no they use 240v..

All modern computers use a thing called a
power supply, that is a sealed metal case.

Some of them are 'sealed' and plenty of them aint, sheepfucker.

Since the voltage that comes out of it is 12V or less, you do
not require electrical registration to work on a modern PC.




Ass they have a external Main switch and people here have stated that they do
replace the Fan, never ever seen a sealed one yet..

They are all trying to cover up that they have no permit to work on them at
all.
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Modern PCs use ATX power supplies, that do not have external mains
switches, it's only if you choose to open the power supply case that a
certificate is needed, people who work on PCs without opening the power
supply case DO NOT NEED REGISTRATION.

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On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 13:56:44 +1300, "EMB" <no@spam.here> wrote:

"Brian Withers" <bwitheres@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:dflj0057t9g77v56fn37f0o1un6b3bcksc@4ax.com...

I think it would be very wise for these posters to front up and be
checked, so
why just pick on Woger.?

Or is it just a Witch hunt.?

The more people you piss off, the more people are likely to cause you grief.
Woger has abused, insulted and been rude to most of the regulars here - it's
not a witch hunt, just natural justice. Oh, and my offsider's name is on
the list - keeps us all legal beagle.

EMB
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That is not true at all he gives back what he gets so please take the blinkers
off.

It seems that posters here can insult Woger and slander him and he should lye
down an take it all.?


I am sorry but you are completely wrong.
 
On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 14:02:57 +1300, Lennier <notanyspam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 13:45:02 +1300, Brian Withers wrote:

I think it would be very wise for these posters to front up and be checked, so
why just pick on Woger.?


Because Wodger is the only person here who claims he's registered.
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Can you post this fact that he has made this statement.?

Lennier
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Mainlander <*@*.*> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a74a280e1d89ba798a4d9@news.paradise.net.nz...
notanyspam@nospam.invalid says...
The Real Andy wrote

PS I think you will find that you are breaching
the training providers copyright.
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Not a clue. As always.

It's *my* certificate - I'll do what I like with it,
so long as nobody is abused or defamed.

The design and some symbols / logos that are
undoubtedly copyrighted to Tai Poutini Polytech.
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Completely irrelevant to whether you are welcome to scan
your certificate and post it on your web site or wherever.
 
"Mainlander" <*@*.*> wrote in message news:MPG.1a749fa2fc8ff0e598a4d5@news.paradise.net.nz...
In article <4008de06$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au>,
i_luv_beer_especially_pilsners@yahoo.com says...
"Lennier" <notanyspam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.01.17.02.27.14.704675@TRACKER...

It is a copyrighted image - (c) David R Murray Jan 2004. Permission is
granted to view that image using a web browser only while it remains on
the web server. It may not be used for any other purpose whatsoever
without my express permission.

Its only purpose is to provide comedy value...PS I think you will find that
you are breaching the training providers copyright.

It doesn't remain on the webserver when my browser downloads it to my
local hard disk, does it?
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Completely irrelevant. Your browser does that with
any web site that has copyrighted logos on it etc.

That is NOT an infringement of copyright.
 
"K & S" <ks@electronics.co.au> wrote in message news:j8fj001hbdduam8koevikme57lrql1i0n1@4ax.com...
On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 07:24:11 +1100, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote:


"K & S" <ks@electronics.co.au> wrote in message news:tpth00ppcegbqnbe9g88td3ac51ilvmrbv@4ax.com...
On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:29:36 +1300, Mainlander <*@*.*> wrote:

In article <6n1h00ljsmhf4u2e6500fau74lapumuesh@4ax.com>,
ks@electronics.co.au says...
On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 11:59:21 +1300, Mainlander <*@*.*> wrote:

In article <v9bf005kentgf033mhbldlqhpim7qae33q@4ax.com>,
ks@electronics.co.au says...
On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 21:02:59 +1300, Lennier <notanyspam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 20:01:22 +1300, K & S wrote:

Are what have you got, you know nothing about my registration or
cerdentials,

Woger - you have posted NOTHING that proves you've EVER been registered
or that you've EVER had any "credentials".

If you've got old certificates - why don't you scan them, produce a Jpeg
image place them on your website and tell us all the URL.

You well know that this will remove all doubt.

It is now time for your to put up your "credentials" or to shut up about
what you don't have.

As its none of you business, I will not, I have no intention of feeding the
Ignorant rabble this visits this new group.

That is exactly the answer that I expected from you.

If you had "credentials" you'd be proud of them and would show them.
Certainly I myself am proud of my Audio Engineering certificate - it
represents a full year of hard work and study. I would pursue the subject
further if their was a follow-up course here in WN. Alas only the Auckland
campus - and I won't move to Auckland.


Lennier



One year course, what utter Crap, I would shout if it was 3 years or more but
not one year, what Kindergarten was that..?

I would state that 96% of the posters here have No Formal Training or any
certificate, and most works on 240v equipment with out any training or
registration at all.

Says who Dodger?

Don't need a registration to work on modern PCs



If the Modem or PC only works on 32v then its OK, but no they use 240v..

All modern computers use a thing called a power supply, that is a sealed
metal case. Since the voltage that comes out of it is 12V or less, you do
not require electrical registration to work on a modern PC.

They have External 240 connected to a Switch

Like hell ATX supplys do. No 240V anywhere outside the power supply.

and they are easy to open 4 screws..

So you are trying to coverup that you do not have any registration,
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I dont need one at all, I'm not stupid enough to even be in sheep-raper-land at all.

most posters here have stated that they open them up to replace the Fan..
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Hardly anyone replaces fans commercially. It just aint economic.
Basically its a lot cheaper to pay an asian to make you a whole
new power supply than to pay a tech in a first world country
first world country wages to replace the fan.
 
On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 13:34:22 +1300, Lennier wrote:

On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 07:20:17 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

Only in stupid sheep-raper-land.

I suggest that you stop referring to Australia like that.
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Australians prefer wombats. They can't run as fast as sheep do, so even
Rod Speed has no trouble humping one.
 
It seems that posters here can insult Woger and slander him and he
should lye down an take it all.?
I am sorry but you are completely wrong.
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Pathetic. Really pathetic Woger.
 
In article <bucmin$g8uvb$1@ID-69072.news.uni-berlin.de>,
rod_speed@yahoo.com says...
Mainlander <*@*.*> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a74a280e1d89ba798a4d9@news.paradise.net.nz...
notanyspam@nospam.invalid says...
The Real Andy wrote

PS I think you will find that you are breaching
the training providers copyright.

Not a clue. As always.

It's *my* certificate - I'll do what I like with it,
so long as nobody is abused or defamed.

The design and some symbols / logos that are
undoubtedly copyrighted to Tai Poutini Polytech.

Completely irrelevant to whether you are welcome to scan
your certificate and post it on your web site or wherever.
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If someone else holds the copyright, you can't publish the document
without their permission. it is completely RELEVANT.

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In article <dflj0057t9g77v56fn37f0o1un6b3bcksc@4ax.com>,
bwitheres@nospamhotmail.com says...
On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 13:11:41 -0800, K <karenulim@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 01:55:14 +0100, "Uncle StoatWarbler"
alanb+google4@digistar.com> wrote:

Sorry to butt in here guys, but according to my husband ( who IS a
registered Electrical Inspector) anyone holding any form of Electrical
registration is on the Register of Electrical Workers. found here
http://www.ewr.govt.nz/pls/web/dbssiten.main just click on Electrical
workers register and then search for Roger Sheppard or whoever he
claims to be.



How do you search for, "or whoever he claims to be".


You will find that hardly any of the Posters here that Fix computers and other
stuff have any formal training, let alone Electrical Registration.
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Now now Roger, as we pointed out to one of your other multiple
personalities a little way back, electrical registration is not required
to work on modern PCs that have a fully enclosed power supply.


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In article <cbnj00pl9eoq0lq26a6v0t799io8e6hpqs@4ax.com>,
bwitheres@nospamhotmail.com says...
On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 14:02:57 +1300, Lennier <notanyspam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 13:45:02 +1300, Brian Withers wrote:

I think it would be very wise for these posters to front up and be checked, so
why just pick on Woger.?


Because Wodger is the only person here who claims he's registered.






Can you post this fact that he has made this statement.?
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Why are you referring to yourself in third person, Rodger?

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On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 02:19:43 +0100, Uncle StoatWarbler wrote:

Only in stupid sheep-raper-land.

I suggest that you stop referring to Australia like that.

Australians prefer wombats. They can't run as fast as sheep do, so even
Rod Speed has no trouble humping one.
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<snigga>

Nice!


Lennier

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Mainlander <*@*.*> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a74b668eb5dd12298a4eb@news.paradise.net.nz...
Rod Speed rod_speed@yahoo.com wrote
Mainlander <*@*.*> wrote
notanyspam@nospam.invalid says...
The Real Andy wrote

PS I think you will find that you are breaching
the training providers copyright.

Not a clue. As always.

It's *my* certificate - I'll do what I like with it,
so long as nobody is abused or defamed.

The design and some symbols / logos that are
undoubtedly copyrighted to Tai Poutini Polytech.

Completely irrelevant to whether you are welcome to scan
your certificate and post it on your web site or wherever.

If someone else holds the copyright, you can't
publish the document without their permission.
Click to expand...
That type of use doesnt constitute a copyright infringement.

it is completely RELEVANT.
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Fraid not.
 
In article <bucv7p$g4ihn$1@ID-69072.news.uni-berlin.de>,
rod_speed@yahoo.com says...
Mainlander <*@*.*> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a74b668eb5dd12298a4eb@news.paradise.net.nz...
Rod Speed rod_speed@yahoo.com wrote
Mainlander <*@*.*> wrote
notanyspam@nospam.invalid says...
The Real Andy wrote

PS I think you will find that you are breaching
the training providers copyright.

Not a clue. As always.

It's *my* certificate - I'll do what I like with it,
so long as nobody is abused or defamed.

The design and some symbols / logos that are
undoubtedly copyrighted to Tai Poutini Polytech.

Completely irrelevant to whether you are welcome to scan
your certificate and post it on your web site or wherever.

If someone else holds the copyright, you can't
publish the document without their permission.

That type of use doesnt constitute a copyright infringement.
Click to expand...
It does in NZ.

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Brian Withers wrote:
That is not true at all he gives back what he gets so please take the
blinkers off.

It seems that posters here can insult Woger and slander him and he
should lye down an take it all.?


I am sorry but you are completely wrong.
Click to expand...
Plonk woger.
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That type of use doesnt constitute a copyright infringement.

It does in NZ.
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Bzzt ! Only the logos that were designed for the company had exclusive
rights attatched to them.

Seeing that the logo was for the Tai Poutini Polytech, and the Polytech has
chosen to publish these logos in the public domain, showing people these
published logos would not be a breech of copyright.

Tai Poutini Polytech has given Lennier a certificate, on which is a supposed
copyright logo. This certificate is, by design, to be shown in the public
arena (public domain). Reproducing the entire document is NOT a breech of
copyright.

Showing a logo that is already published in the public domain is not a
breech as such, but reproducing them and passing them off as your own work
is.

Where would the media be if they couldn't show logos in the newspaper, tv,
magazines ?

It's a common misconception that holding copyright forbids other public
display.
 
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