Electrical certification for imported goods

[K & S]

On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 21:55:38 +1300, Lennier <notanyspam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 21:49:48 +1300, K & S wrote:

ot in the Case of the Older PC , they have a external Mains switch, and Many
here have stated that they have replace the PSU Fan, I have never ever seen a
Riveted PSU.

I too have not seen a "riveted" Power Supply.

In my they've all been screwed.

So, Woger. Do you intend to back up your claim of having "credentials"?


Lennier

No I don't have to as I am not one of those Teenage Idiots..

And I am not into stupid witch hunts..

Go Play your silly games with the Luni Lunix crowd..


I see that Germany is having Big problems with Lunix, may be we should send
you there.

 

[Uncle StoatWarbler]

On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 22:14:13 +1300, pete wrote:

Never seen a rivetted PC power supply case yet - usually 4 countersunk
philips or pozidrive screws. I have opened many to replace fans (or to
salvage the fans out of dead PSUs)

The original IBM PeeCee PSU cases were riveted or sealed using special
notchless screws.

ATX PSUs are sealed for the purposes of electrical registration
requirements.

AT power supplies (cable to front of machine and power switch there) are
not and anyone working on these should be a registered electrical
serviceman.

The certification isn't expensive or difficult. I had class A and B,
electrical certification however I haven't renewed it (It needs to be done
every year.)

You only need class B to work on 400V fixed wiring and high power devices.
Nothing in the average home requires it unless you have a 3-phase welding
shop in your garage.

 

[Malcolm Moore]

On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 21:50:51 +1300, K & S
<ks@electronics.co.au> wrote:

All modern computers use a thing called a power supply, that is a sealed
metal case. Since the voltage that comes out of it is 12V or less, you do
not require electrical registration to work on a modern PC.


They have External 240 connected to a Switch and they are easy to open 4
screws..

If you go to

http://www.med.govt.nz/ewrb/pdf/elink/update200102.pdf

and look at Technical Corner (page two) you will see the following

..........

Q: A friend of mine repairs computers and says
that he does not require registration. What is
the situation regarding the need for registration for
carrying out such work?

A: Registration is required for the carrying out of
"prescribed electrical work" and working on an
electrical appliance such as a computer is deemed not
to be within this category provided that "the work can
be undertaken without removing screens, covers, or the
like designed to prevent inadvertent contact with fittings
intended to be supplied at voltages above extra low
voltage". Refer to regulation 17 2(b).
In a practical sense this means that, except for the
power supply module, most work on a computer is not
"prescribed electrical work".

............

In my experience the external switch contacts on a psu are generally
covered with insulation that comes within the description of a screen,
cover or the like. If they aren't then registration is required. It is
up to you to use your discretion.

If you look around you, you will see many examples of mains appliances
that use screws to prevent people coming into contact with live
conductors. So long as a tool is required for removal then that is
accepted as meeting the requirements.

If you want to check who on this ng has registration then go to

www.ewr.govt.nz

Of course you'll only see those that post using their real name.

Regards
Malcolm.
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[K & S]

On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 23:06:22 +1300, Malcolm Moore
<abor1953needle@yahoodagger.co.nz> wrote:

On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 21:50:51 +1300, K & S
ks@electronics.co.au> wrote:


All modern computers use a thing called a power supply, that is a sealed
metal case. Since the voltage that comes out of it is 12V or less, you do
not require electrical registration to work on a modern PC.


They have External 240 connected to a Switch and they are easy to open 4
screws..

If you go to

http://www.med.govt.nz/ewrb/pdf/elink/update200102.pdf

and look at Technical Corner (page two) you will see the following

.........

Q: A friend of mine repairs computers and says
that he does not require registration. What is
the situation regarding the need for registration for
carrying out such work?

A: Registration is required for the carrying out of
"prescribed electrical work" and working on an
electrical appliance such as a computer is deemed not
to be within this category provided that "the work can
be undertaken without removing screens, covers, or the
like designed to prevent inadvertent contact with fittings
intended to be supplied at voltages above extra low
voltage". Refer to regulation 17 2(b).
In a practical sense this means that, except for the
power supply module, most work on a computer is not
"prescribed electrical work".

...........

In my experience the external switch contacts on a psu are generally
covered with insulation that comes within the description of a screen,
cover or the like. If they aren't then registration is required. It is
up to you to use your discretion.

Most are not covered, plus most here have posted Facts that the open the PSU
to replace the Fan..

If you look around you, you will see many examples of mains appliances
that use screws to prevent people coming into contact with live
conductors. So long as a tool is required for removal then that is
accepted as meeting the requirements.

That mean bugger all, all gobblegook, they remove the screws to replace the
Fan..

If you want to check who on this ng has registration then go to

www.ewr.govt.nz

Of course you'll only see those that post using their real name.

Regards
Malcolm.

 

[Richard Malcolm-Smith]

As long as he is not modifying the PSU, then he should not need
certification to work on 240V equipment... there was a case about this
recently in the herald. The general answer was, that all the rest of the
stuff that this guy had worked on was 5/7/12 and so no cert was needed.

URL for that one?

 

[Rod Speed]

Lennier <notanyspam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
newsan.2004.01.17.08.55.37.182020@TRACKER...

K & S wrote

ot in the Case of the Older PC , they have a external Mains
switch, and Many here have stated that they have replace
the PSU Fan, I have never ever seen a Riveted PSU.

I too have not seen a "riveted" Power Supply.

They do exist, tho not that common at all.

They're just pop rivets, like some of the
case bits are rivetted and not screwed.

In my they've all been screwed.

I'm not silly enough to go there.

> So, Woger. Do you intend to back up your claim of having "credentials"?

 

[Rod Speed]

Uncle StoatWarbler <alanb+google4@digistar.com> wrote in
message newsan.2004.01.17.10.03.21.21335@digistar.com...

pete wrote

Never seen a rivetted PC power supply case yet - usually 4
countersunk philips or pozidrive screws. I have opened many
to replace fans (or to salvage the fans out of dead PSUs)

The original IBM PeeCee PSU cases were riveted
or sealed using special notchless screws.

ATX PSUs are sealed for the purposes
of electrical registration requirements.

Bullshit, hardly any are.

AT power supplies (cable to front of machine and
power switch there) are not and anyone working on
these should be a registered electrical serviceman.

Only in stupid sheep-raper-land.

The certification isn't expensive or difficult. I had
class A and B, electrical certification however I
haven't renewed it (It needs to be done every year.)

Mindlessly silly.

You only need class B to work on 400V fixed wiring and
high power devices. Nothing in the average home requires
it unless you have a 3-phase welding shop in your garage.

 

[Rod Speed]

"K & S" <ks@electronics.co.au> wrote in message news:l1uh00p98honj82pjrsmpqeqpumah889mm@4ax.com...

On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 19:13:20 +1100, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote:


"Mainlander" <*@*.*> wrote in message news:MPG.1a73ab88ff092eb598a4bf@news.paradise.net.nz...
In article <6n1h00ljsmhf4u2e6500fau74lapumuesh@4ax.com>,
ks@electronics.co.au says...
On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 11:59:21 +1300, Mainlander <*@*.*> wrote:

In article <v9bf005kentgf033mhbldlqhpim7qae33q@4ax.com>,
ks@electronics.co.au says...
On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 21:02:59 +1300, Lennier <notanyspam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 20:01:22 +1300, K & S wrote:

Are what have you got, you know nothing about my registration or
cerdentials,

Woger - you have posted NOTHING that proves you've EVER been registered
or that you've EVER had any "credentials".

If you've got old certificates - why don't you scan them, produce a Jpeg
image place them on your website and tell us all the URL.

You well know that this will remove all doubt.

It is now time for your to put up your "credentials" or to shut up about
what you don't have.

As its none of you business, I will not, I have no intention of feeding the
Ignorant rabble this visits this new group.

That is exactly the answer that I expected from you.

If you had "credentials" you'd be proud of them and would show them.
Certainly I myself am proud of my Audio Engineering certificate - it
represents a full year of hard work and study. I would pursue the subject
further if their was a follow-up course here in WN. Alas only the Auckland
campus - and I won't move to Auckland.


Lennier



One year course, what utter Crap, I would shout if it was 3 years or more but
not one year, what Kindergarten was that..?

I would state that 96% of the posters here have No Formal Training or any
certificate, and most works on 240v equipment with out any training or
registration at all.

Says who Dodger?

Don't need a registration to work on modern PCs



If the Modem or PC only works on 32v then its OK, but no they use 240v..

All modern computers use a thing called a
power supply, that is a sealed metal case.

Some of them are 'sealed' and plenty of them aint, sheepfucker.

Since the voltage that comes out of it is 12V or less, you do
not require electrical registration to work on a modern PC.

Ass

Donkey.

they have a external Main switch

Modern ATX supplys dont.

and people here have stated that they do replace
the Fan, never ever seen a sealed one yet..

You wanna get out more.

They are all trying to cover up that they
have no permit to work on them at all.

Dont need one with an ATX supply, even in sheep-raper-land.

 

[Rod Speed]

"K & S" <ks@electronics.co.au> wrote in message news:tpth00ppcegbqnbe9g88td3ac51ilvmrbv@4ax.com...

On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:29:36 +1300, Mainlander <*@*.*> wrote:

In article <6n1h00ljsmhf4u2e6500fau74lapumuesh@4ax.com>,
ks@electronics.co.au says...
On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 11:59:21 +1300, Mainlander <*@*.*> wrote:

In article <v9bf005kentgf033mhbldlqhpim7qae33q@4ax.com>,
ks@electronics.co.au says...
On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 21:02:59 +1300, Lennier <notanyspam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 20:01:22 +1300, K & S wrote:

Are what have you got, you know nothing about my registration or
cerdentials,

Woger - you have posted NOTHING that proves you've EVER been registered
or that you've EVER had any "credentials".

If you've got old certificates - why don't you scan them, produce a Jpeg
image place them on your website and tell us all the URL.

You well know that this will remove all doubt.

It is now time for your to put up your "credentials" or to shut up about
what you don't have.

As its none of you business, I will not, I have no intention of feeding the
Ignorant rabble this visits this new group.

That is exactly the answer that I expected from you.

If you had "credentials" you'd be proud of them and would show them.
Certainly I myself am proud of my Audio Engineering certificate - it
represents a full year of hard work and study. I would pursue the subject
further if their was a follow-up course here in WN. Alas only the Auckland
campus - and I won't move to Auckland.


Lennier



One year course, what utter Crap, I would shout if it was 3 years or more but
not one year, what Kindergarten was that..?

I would state that 96% of the posters here have No Formal Training or any
certificate, and most works on 240v equipment with out any training or
registration at all.

Says who Dodger?

Don't need a registration to work on modern PCs



If the Modem or PC only works on 32v then its OK, but no they use 240v..

All modern computers use a thing called a power supply, that is a sealed
metal case. Since the voltage that comes out of it is 12V or less, you do
not require electrical registration to work on a modern PC.

They have External 240 connected to a Switch

Like hell ATX supplys do. No 240V anywhere outside the power supply.

> and they are easy to open 4 screws..

 

[K & S]

On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 07:20:17 +1100, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote:

Uncle StoatWarbler <alanb+google4@digistar.com> wrote in
message newsan.2004.01.17.10.03.21.21335@digistar.com...
pete wrote

Never seen a rivetted PC power supply case yet - usually 4
countersunk philips or pozidrive screws. I have opened many
to replace fans (or to salvage the fans out of dead PSUs)

The original IBM PeeCee PSU cases were riveted
or sealed using special notchless screws.

ATX PSUs are sealed for the purposes
of electrical registration requirements.

Bullshit, hardly any are.

AT power supplies (cable to front of machine and
power switch there) are not and anyone working on
these should be a registered electrical serviceman.

Only in stupid sheep-raper-land.

The certification isn't expensive or difficult. I had
class A and B, electrical certification however I
haven't renewed it (It needs to be done every year.)

Mindlessly silly.

Very true another Gov Tax plus you have to do a Day refresher course every 2
years..

Move Gov Tax..

You only need class B to work on 400V fixed wiring and
high power devices. Nothing in the average home requires
it unless you have a 3-phase welding shop in your garage.

The Main problem is most stuff here have never been approved or tested for use
here, another Gov cop out..

 

[K & S]

On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 07:23:13 +1100, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote:

"K & S" <ks@electronics.co.au> wrote in message news:l1uh00p98honj82pjrsmpqeqpumah889mm@4ax.com...
On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 19:13:20 +1100, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote:


"Mainlander" <*@*.*> wrote in message news:MPG.1a73ab88ff092eb598a4bf@news.paradise.net.nz...
In article <6n1h00ljsmhf4u2e6500fau74lapumuesh@4ax.com>,
ks@electronics.co.au says...
On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 11:59:21 +1300, Mainlander <*@*.*> wrote:

In article <v9bf005kentgf033mhbldlqhpim7qae33q@4ax.com>,
ks@electronics.co.au says...
On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 21:02:59 +1300, Lennier <notanyspam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 20:01:22 +1300, K & S wrote:

Are what have you got, you know nothing about my registration or
cerdentials,

Woger - you have posted NOTHING that proves you've EVER been registered
or that you've EVER had any "credentials".

If you've got old certificates - why don't you scan them, produce a Jpeg
image place them on your website and tell us all the URL.

You well know that this will remove all doubt.

It is now time for your to put up your "credentials" or to shut up about
what you don't have.

As its none of you business, I will not, I have no intention of feeding the
Ignorant rabble this visits this new group.

That is exactly the answer that I expected from you.

If you had "credentials" you'd be proud of them and would show them.
Certainly I myself am proud of my Audio Engineering certificate - it
represents a full year of hard work and study. I would pursue the subject
further if their was a follow-up course here in WN. Alas only the Auckland
campus - and I won't move to Auckland.


Lennier



One year course, what utter Crap, I would shout if it was 3 years or more but
not one year, what Kindergarten was that..?

I would state that 96% of the posters here have No Formal Training or any
certificate, and most works on 240v equipment with out any training or
registration at all.

Says who Dodger?

Don't need a registration to work on modern PCs



If the Modem or PC only works on 32v then its OK, but no they use 240v..

All modern computers use a thing called a
power supply, that is a sealed metal case.

Some of them are 'sealed' and plenty of them aint, sheepfucker.

Since the voltage that comes out of it is 12V or less, you do
not require electrical registration to work on a modern PC.

Ass

Donkey.

they have a external Main switch

Modern ATX supplys dont.

and people here have stated that they do replace
the Fan, never ever seen a sealed one yet..

You wanna get out more.

They are all trying to cover up that they
have no permit to work on them at all.

Dont need one with an ATX supply, even in sheep-raper-land.

 

[K & S]

On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 07:24:11 +1100, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote:

"K & S" <ks@electronics.co.au> wrote in message news:tpth00ppcegbqnbe9g88td3ac51ilvmrbv@4ax.com...
On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:29:36 +1300, Mainlander <*@*.*> wrote:

In article <6n1h00ljsmhf4u2e6500fau74lapumuesh@4ax.com>,
ks@electronics.co.au says...
On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 11:59:21 +1300, Mainlander <*@*.*> wrote:

In article <v9bf005kentgf033mhbldlqhpim7qae33q@4ax.com>,
ks@electronics.co.au says...
On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 21:02:59 +1300, Lennier <notanyspam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 20:01:22 +1300, K & S wrote:

Are what have you got, you know nothing about my registration or
cerdentials,

Woger - you have posted NOTHING that proves you've EVER been registered
or that you've EVER had any "credentials".

If you've got old certificates - why don't you scan them, produce a Jpeg
image place them on your website and tell us all the URL.

You well know that this will remove all doubt.

It is now time for your to put up your "credentials" or to shut up about
what you don't have.

As its none of you business, I will not, I have no intention of feeding the
Ignorant rabble this visits this new group.

That is exactly the answer that I expected from you.

If you had "credentials" you'd be proud of them and would show them.
Certainly I myself am proud of my Audio Engineering certificate - it
represents a full year of hard work and study. I would pursue the subject
further if their was a follow-up course here in WN. Alas only the Auckland
campus - and I won't move to Auckland.


Lennier



One year course, what utter Crap, I would shout if it was 3 years or more but
not one year, what Kindergarten was that..?

I would state that 96% of the posters here have No Formal Training or any
certificate, and most works on 240v equipment with out any training or
registration at all.

Says who Dodger?

Don't need a registration to work on modern PCs



If the Modem or PC only works on 32v then its OK, but no they use 240v..

All modern computers use a thing called a power supply, that is a sealed
metal case. Since the voltage that comes out of it is 12V or less, you do
not require electrical registration to work on a modern PC.

They have External 240 connected to a Switch

Like hell ATX supplys do. No 240V anywhere outside the power supply.

and they are easy to open 4 screws..

So you are trying to coverup that you do not have any registration,

most posters here have stated that they open them up to replace the Fan..

 

[Rod Speed]

"K & S" <ks@electronics.co.au> wrote in message news:3uej0051eilnl56768ceocf36id3n1qvhu@4ax.com...

On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 07:20:17 +1100, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote:


Uncle StoatWarbler <alanb+google4@digistar.com> wrote in
message newsan.2004.01.17.10.03.21.21335@digistar.com...
pete wrote

Never seen a rivetted PC power supply case yet - usually 4
countersunk philips or pozidrive screws. I have opened many
to replace fans (or to salvage the fans out of dead PSUs)

The original IBM PeeCee PSU cases were riveted
or sealed using special notchless screws.

ATX PSUs are sealed for the purposes
of electrical registration requirements.

Bullshit, hardly any are.

AT power supplies (cable to front of machine and
power switch there) are not and anyone working on
these should be a registered electrical serviceman.

Only in stupid sheep-raper-land.

The certification isn't expensive or difficult. I had
class A and B, electrical certification however I
haven't renewed it (It needs to be done every year.)

Mindlessly silly.

Very true another Gov Tax plus you have to
do a Day refresher course every 2 years..

Mindless petty bureaucracy gone completely
mad. We dont even require anything like that
with full electricians in this country.

Move Gov Tax..

We do have the tax, license fees ongoing etc.

You only need class B to work on 400V fixed wiring and
high power devices. Nothing in the average home requires
it unless you have a 3-phase welding shop in your garage.

The Main problem is most stuff here have never been
approved or tested for use here, another Gov cop out..

I dont see it makes any sense for tiny little countrys
or even countrys the size of Aust to test everything.

 

[Lennier]

On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 07:20:17 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

AT power supplies (cable to front of machine and
power switch there) are not and anyone working on
these should be a registered electrical serviceman.

Only in stupid sheep-raper-land.

I suggest that you stop referring to Australia like that.


Lennier

--
"When dealing with the Religious Right one should remember that 'truth'
is not a part of the rules of their game."

 

[ac]

In article <eetl005ttq3ub1elgc2n0vqd3qrfn4sf5a@4ax.com>,
karenulim@hotmail.com says...

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 01:55:14 +0100, "Uncle StoatWarbler"
alanb+google4@digistar.com> wrote:

Sorry to butt in here guys, but according to my husband ( who IS a
registered Electrical Inspector) anyone holding any form of Electrical
registration is on the Register of Electrical Workers. found here
http://www.ewr.govt.nz/pls/web/dbssiten.main just click on Electrical
workers register and then search for Roger Sheppard or whoever he
claims to be.

Heh. He doesn't exist. Maybe I should look for Wodger?

 

[Brian Withers]

On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 13:11:41 -0800, K <karenulim@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 01:55:14 +0100, "Uncle StoatWarbler"
alanb+google4@digistar.com> wrote:

Sorry to butt in here guys, but according to my husband ( who IS a
registered Electrical Inspector) anyone holding any form of Electrical
registration is on the Register of Electrical Workers. found here
http://www.ewr.govt.nz/pls/web/dbssiten.main just click on Electrical
workers register and then search for Roger Sheppard or whoever he
claims to be.

How do you search for, "or whoever he claims to be".


You will find that hardly any of the Posters here that Fix computers and other
stuff have any formal training, let alone Electrical Registration.


I think it would be very wise for these posters to front up and be checked, so
why just pick on Woger.?

Or is it just a Witch hunt.?

On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 23:20:11 +1300, K & S wrote:

The Standards here are a Utter Joke I should know I have to service this
Crap..

Now that you've got that admission off your chest Woger, whatever happened
to your electrical serviceman registration?

Oh that's right, you never had one...

I'd really hate to be your employer. Sooner or later someone's going to
tip off the ERB and they will be facing large fines as a sresult.

 

[EMB]

"Brian Withers" <bwitheres@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:dflj0057t9g77v56fn37f0o1un6b3bcksc@4ax.com...

I think it would be very wise for these posters to front up and be
checked, so
why just pick on Woger.?

Or is it just a Witch hunt.?

The more people you piss off, the more people are likely to cause you grief.

Woger has abused, insulted and been rude to most of the regulars here - it's
not a witch hunt, just natural justice. Oh, and my offsider's name is on
the list - keeps us all legal beagle.

EMB

 

[Lennier]

On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 13:45:02 +1300, Brian Withers wrote:

I think it would be very wise for these posters to front up and be checked, so
why just pick on Woger.?

Because Wodger is the only person here who claims he's registered.


Lennier

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Newsman - on CD piracy: "Entertainment meets Geekery meets Vengeance. It's
unstoppable. A match made in Heaven."

 

[Mainlander]

In article <4008de06$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au>,
i_luv_beer_especially_pilsners@yahoo.com says...

"Lennier" <notanyspam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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It is a copyrighted image - (c) David R Murray Jan 2004. Permission is
granted to view that image using a web browser only while it remains on
the web server. It may not be used for any other purpose whatsoever
without my express permission.

Its only purpose is to provide comedy value...PS I think you will find that
you are breaching the training providers copyright.

It's not sole copyright to David Murray. Parts of it will be copyright to
Tai Poutini

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[Mainlander]

In article <4008de06$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au>,
i_luv_beer_especially_pilsners@yahoo.com says...

"Lennier" <notanyspam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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It is a copyrighted image - (c) David R Murray Jan 2004. Permission is
granted to view that image using a web browser only while it remains on
the web server. It may not be used for any other purpose whatsoever
without my express permission.

Its only purpose is to provide comedy value...PS I think you will find that
you are breaching the training providers copyright.

It doesn't remain on the webserver when my browser downloads it to my
local hard disk, does it?

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