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Clarence · Dec 14, 2004

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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 02:49:32 GMT, "Clarence" <no@No.com> wrote:
"Steve Evans" <smevans@jif-lemon.co.mars> wrote in message
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Most people are replying "relative", they must not realize how old I
am... Madeleine is my 43 year old *daughter* ;-)

Mr. Thompson, no-one apart from _you_ gives a shit!
--
You speak for yourself only.
Jim is a legend and 'we' do like to hear what he is up to, including his
immediate family.

You speak for yourself, too.
Of course, but few here seem to understand that.

Don't include me in your "we" thank you very much.

No problem with that Paul,
you don't qualify as anything but noise anyway!
You are 'definitely' not a "we" person!

I personally have no interest whatsoever in Jim's family -
immediate, extended, estranged or otherwise.

That's nice, soooo polite!

It's not what I read Usenet for.

I personally do not care what you do, or don't do.

And look how many groups the silly old sod has spammed
this all across. He really must believe he's terribly important!

As compared to ??? He has far more to contribute than most, and I for one
would love to learn more about him and his works. Like Tesla, Edison, and even
Bob Traynor, he has much to give!

As to OT, you are as bad, no - You are even more likely to go far a field with
irrational garbage than he or most others except Steve Waltz (plonked a long
time ago!)

Need I remind you that if you do not want to read Jim's remarks, there is a
Block sender function, and a delete Key. Try to remember to use them.

Active8 · Dec 14, 2004

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:35:33 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 00:30:43 -0800, "Watson A.Name - \"Watt Sun, the
Dark Remover\"" <NOSPAM@dslextreme.com> wrote:

"Paul Burridge" <pb@notthisbit.osiris1.co.uk> wrote in message
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On 12 Dec 2004 18:30:45 -0800, Winfield Hill
hill_a@t_rowland-dotties-harvard-dot.s-edu> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote...

Steve Evans wrote:

You're an ij't as we used to say in ireland, mr. thompson.

FOAD! PLONK!

It must be getting awfully crowded in there. ;-)

Well, I was curious to know what a ij't was, weren't you?
Or did you already know? Hmm, idiot?

Yes, that's correct.
I don't agree that Jim's an idiot, though. He has a *lot* to
contribute if he only chose to do so. That silly 3-stage amp circuit
he posted the other day was an interesting excerise in analysis, so
why can't we have more of that type of thing from him?

Why bother? NO ONE even had a clue as to how to attack the problem.

Erm... excuse me. I came the closest to the correct gain answer. And
remember, all you asked was how to do it without using beta, which I
had to use to get as far as I did.

So let me reinterate that your time's not wasted on me.

I guess everyone is so bogged down with the
voltage-control-versus-current-control arguments that they can't begin
to think.

Interesting,
on-topic posts like that are dwarfed by a mass of irrelevant nonsense
about his blasted barbecue, his grand-daughter, his pet dog, his
daughters, his wefare recipient daughter-in-law, some buzzard that
landed on his blasted barbecue and God only knows what else!
C'mon, Jim: post something about electronics!!

I'm 100% in agreement with you on this one. Especially the political
crap.

I suppose if it were leftist "crap" it would be OK ?

...Jim Thompson

--
Best Regards,
Mike

Jim Thompson · Dec 14, 2004

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:51:41 GMT, "Clarence" <no@No.com> wrote:

[snip]

As compared to ??? He has far more to contribute than most, and I for one
would love to learn more about him and his works. Like Tesla, Edison, and even
Bob Traynor, he has much to give!

[snip]

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Jim Thompson · Dec 14, 2004

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:02:28 GMT, Active8 <reply2group@ndbbm.net>
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:35:33 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
[snip]

Why bother? NO ONE even had a clue as to how to attack the problem.

Erm... excuse me. I came the closest to the correct gain answer. And
remember, all you asked was how to do it without using beta, which I
had to use to get as far as I did.

So let me reinterate that your time's not wasted on me.

[snip]

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Clarence · Dec 14, 2004

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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:51:41 GMT, "Clarence" <no@No.com> wrote:

[snip]

As compared to ??? He has far more to contribute than most, and I for one
would love to learn more about him and his works. Like Tesla, Edison, and
even
Bob Traynor, he has much to give!

[snip]

Bob Traynor?? I knew a Bob Traynor in a microwave company here in
Tempe, AZ, *many* years. But I understand he died of a heart event at
a youthful age.

He and I worked at 'TMC Systems' for several years. He moved to the Microwave
company later. It was in the same building which "Dynamic Systems Electronics"
had built a few years earlier. I also worked for them as a start up company.

Bob Traynor was one of the most brilliant people I knew. Yes, He died at the
age of 54, like his father. He was playing Soccer with his son and had a heart
attack when they got home. I had dinner with him about two months earlier. I
still miss the discussions we used to have. I named him as Co -Inventor on the
one patent I went after. He was a great help getting all the t's crossed and
i's dotted.

Jim Thompson · Dec 14, 2004

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:00:00 GMT, "Clarence" <no@No.com> wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
[snip]

Bob Traynor?? I knew a Bob Traynor in a microwave company here in
Tempe, AZ, *many* years. But I understand he died of a heart event at
a youthful age.

He and I worked at 'TMC Systems' for several years. He moved to the Microwave
company later. It was in the same building which "Dynamic Systems Electronics"
had built a few years earlier. I also worked for them as a start up company.

Bob Traynor was one of the most brilliant people I knew. Yes, He died at the
age of 54, like his father. He was playing Soccer with his son and had a heart
attack when they got home. I had dinner with him about two months earlier. I
still miss the discussions we used to have. I named him as Co -Inventor on the
one patent I went after. He was a great help getting all the t's crossed and
i's dotted.

It's a small world isn't it?

I can't recall the name of the company now, but I consulted on a
number of projects, linearizing the control curve on some VCOs and I
designed a few substrate heaters.

Bob Traynor was my contact within the company. I'll have to dig thru
my paper archives and see what I can find.

I did the heart attack thingy when I was 58, but I survived with no
heart muscle damage because I beat it to the emergency room when I
realized that something wasn't quite right... had the attack with a
whole crew of doctors standing by, who immediately administered a clot
buster. Then a few days later they placed a stent (LAD).

Your mention of "patent" reminds me that it was my patent attorney,
Joe Roediger, who told me of Bob's death.

...Jim Thompson
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Jim Thompson · Dec 14, 2004

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:02:46 +0000 (UTC),
no.thanks@im.sick.of.spam.com wrote:

In sci.electronics.cad Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote:
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 23:54:23 -0200, Chaos Master
ch@os.master.INVALID.INVALID> wrote:

In article <9tiip0pnr3bgv52fj8cpnea01h7208djdi@4ax.com>,
thegreatone@example.com says...

Please don't start about simulators that I consider to be toys... this
is a documentation/how-I-earn-my-living issue.

What simulators (other than PSpice) you consider that *aren't* toys?

Why is it then whenever anyone talks about this they talk about PSpice
as if its the be all/end all of simulators. It's just not. You guys
(and gals) should try some real EDA tools, like icfb (Virtuoso
Schematic Editor/Analog Environment/Spectre). While I'm not a huge fan of
Cadence, they have top notch analog tools, although I prefer Nanosim for
big simulations. The schematic editor is more power, flexible and easier
to use than Orcad, and the simulator is light years better than PSPICE.

dan

I don't use OrCAD Capture, I use the old original (MicroSim) PSpice
Schematics, which is about the best user interface I've ever seen.

My experience with workstation or mainframe-based tools is they are
butt slow compared to PSpice running on an AMD chip.

...Jim Thompson
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Dec 14, 2004

In sci.electronics.cad Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 23:54:23 -0200, Chaos Master
ch@os.master.INVALID.INVALID> wrote:

In article <9tiip0pnr3bgv52fj8cpnea01h7208djdi@4ax.com>,
thegreatone@example.com says...

Please don't start about simulators that I consider to be toys... this
is a documentation/how-I-earn-my-living issue.

What simulators (other than PSpice) you consider that *aren't* toys?

Why is it then whenever anyone talks about this they talk about PSpice
as if its the be all/end all of simulators. It's just not. You guys
(and gals) should try some real EDA tools, like icfb (Virtuoso
Schematic Editor/Analog Environment/Spectre). While I'm not a huge fan of
Cadence, they have top notch analog tools, although I prefer Nanosim for
big simulations. The schematic editor is more power, flexible and easier
to use than Orcad, and the simulator is light years better than PSPICE.

dan

Charles Edmondson · Dec 14, 2004

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:02:46 +0000 (UTC),
no.thanks@im.sick.of.spam.com wrote:

In sci.electronics.cad Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 23:54:23 -0200, Chaos Master
ch@os.master.INVALID.INVALID> wrote:

In article <9tiip0pnr3bgv52fj8cpnea01h7208djdi@4ax.com>,
thegreatone@example.com says...

Please don't start about simulators that I consider to be toys... this
is a documentation/how-I-earn-my-living issue.

What simulators (other than PSpice) you consider that *aren't* toys?

Why is it then whenever anyone talks about this they talk about PSpice
as if its the be all/end all of simulators. It's just not. You guys
(and gals) should try some real EDA tools, like icfb (Virtuoso
Schematic Editor/Analog Environment/Spectre). While I'm not a huge fan of
Cadence, they have top notch analog tools, although I prefer Nanosim for
big simulations. The schematic editor is more power, flexible and easier
to use than Orcad, and the simulator is light years better than PSPICE.

dan

I don't use OrCAD Capture, I use the old original (MicroSim) PSpice
Schematics, which is about the best user interface I've ever seen.

My experience with workstation or mainframe-based tools is they are
butt slow compared to PSpice running on an AMD chip.

...Jim Thompson
And PSpice costs an order of magnitude less than Spectre...

(or, is it TWO orders of magnitude for all the bells and whistles...)

--
Charlie
--
Edmondson Engineering
Unique Solutions to Unusual Problems

Dec 15, 2004

In sci.electronics.cad Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

I don't use OrCAD Capture, I use the old original (MicroSim) PSpice
Schematics, which is about the best user interface I've ever seen.

My experience with workstation or mainframe-based tools is they are
butt slow compared to PSpice running on an AMD chip.

The problem with that statement is, its not an apples to apples
comparison. There is no doubt that hardware wise Intel/AMD represent a
much bigger bang for the buck in terms of computation power than virtually
any other platform. A modern AMD Opteron may not be quite as fast as
Sun's high-end stuff, its close, and it beats the crap out of their low
end stuff which is still twice the problem.

However, virtually all Eunuchs based CAD packages (at least EE CAD
packages) are now available for Linux (x86 architecture). Of those
probably about 1/3rd are available in IA64 (Opteron) versions as well and
I expect the number to be closer to 80% by the end of 2005.

So basically, there's no reason why you can't run any of the programs I
talk about on an AMD chip. In fact, I just got a brand new 16 GB dual
Opteron 250 to play with just for Nanosim, and trust me, its fast.

dan

Clarence · Dec 15, 2004

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:00:00 GMT, "Clarence" <no@No.com> wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
[snip]

Bob Traynor?? I knew a Bob Traynor in a microwave company here in
Tempe, AZ, *many* years. But I understand he died of a heart event at
a youthful age.

He and I worked at 'TMC Systems' for several years. He moved to the
Microwave
company later. It was in the same building which "Dynamic Systems
Electronics"
had built a few years earlier. I also worked for them as a start up
company.

Bob Traynor was one of the most brilliant people I knew. Yes, He died at
the
age of 54, like his father. He was playing Soccer with his son and had a
heart
attack when they got home. I had dinner with him about two months earlier.
I
still miss the discussions we used to have. I named him as Co -Inventor on
the
one patent I went after. He was a great help getting all the t's crossed
and
i's dotted.

It's a small world isn't it?

I can't recall the name of the company now, but I consulted on a
number of projects, linearizing the control curve on some VCOs and I
designed a few substrate heaters.

Bob Traynor was my contact within the company. I'll have to dig thru
my paper archives and see what I can find.

I did the heart attack thingy when I was 58, but I survived with no
heart muscle damage because I beat it to the emergency room when I
realized that something wasn't quite right... had the attack with a
whole crew of doctors standing by, who immediately administered a clot
buster. Then a few days later they placed a stent (LAD).

Your mention of "patent" reminds me that it was my patent attorney,
Joe Roediger, who told me of Bob's death.
...Jim Thompson

Proof positive that the "good die Young" I guess.

One of his patents was a zero offset amplifier IC. It was a great improvement
over one of the circuits I used at TMC. I hope my attempt started him
thinking. Always nice to repay a favor. He supported me on my patent. I
would imagine he retained Joe Roediger for his patent work. He and I were
working on a modem for high data rates through a voice width channel when he
died. The project died with him, and his 2nd wife threw all his work away.
Since he was doing the receive end, I was out of luck.

His heart attack was at home in the shower, by the time the paramedics arrived
it was too late to do much. They transported him to the hospital and he died
shortly after. I suspect his was a "Coronary Thromboses."

Bob was a workaholic, and his second wife liked me coming to visit because I
would bring a girl friend and take them out for dinner and dancing for pay back
for her feeding me lunches. He finally took the hint and they began to go out
more often.

I actually miss the guy. I've lost so many friends due to death and the bad
economy causing them to move away. strange world!

Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su · Dec 15, 2004

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 00:30:43 -0800, "Watson A.Name - \"Watt Sun, the
Dark Remover\"" <NOSPAM@dslextreme.com> wrote:

[snip]

I'm 100% in agreement with you on this one. Especially the political
crap.

I suppose if it were leftist "crap" it would be OK ?

NO! *NO* political crap is OK! That's not what this NG is about! Do
the poilitical crap on the appropriate NG, whatever that might be.
Don't stray off topic.

Sheesh, I'm sure glad the elections are over. As for the 'leftist'
comment above, anyone who says that has got an "Us versus Them" attitude
problem - just as much so as Mr. RSW. I'm not a young kid, and neither
are you. And as responsible adults, there's no need for us to go around
poking at such hornets' nests as religion and politics.

...Jim Thompson
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Bob Stephens · Dec 15, 2004

On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:29:57 +0000 (UTC), Reg Edwards wrote:

Religion and Politics should not be bracketed together.

What planet are you calling in from Pollyanna?

Bob

John Woodgate · Dec 15, 2004

I read in sci.electronics.design that Reg Edwards
<g4fgq.regp@ZZZbtinternet.com> wrote (in <cppp1r$pda$1@titan.btinternet.
com&gt

about 'OT: Take a look...', on Wed, 15 Dec 2004:

I agree, priests and politicians too often have split personalities.

TS Elliot wrote (in Murder in the Cathedral):

Now is my way clear, now is the meaning plain
Temptation shall not come in this kind again
The last temptation is the greatest treason:
To do the right deed for the wrong reason.

For those who serve the greater cause
May make the cause serve them
And, striving with political men,
May make that cause political
Mot by what they do, but by what they are.

Except for the third and fourth lines, which I found on the web, the
rest is from memory over 50 years (possibly to the day!) so may not be
quite right.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

Reg Edwards · Dec 15, 2004

Religion is to do with altruism, symbols, beliefs and ceremonies.

intolerance, judging others, contolling others, hatred, wars...

==============================

I agree, priests and politicians too often have split personalities.

But if normal people, like you and I, avoid having anything to do with them
it leads to a very secluded and miserable life. One may just as well take
heroin or be dead.

I manage the best I can on alcohol, cigarettes and hypertension pills.

Richard Crowley · Dec 15, 2004

"Winfield Hill" <hill_a@t_rowland-dotties-harvard-dot.s-edu> wrote in
message news:cppdkq07ci@drn.newsguy.com...

Reg Edwards wrote...

Religion is to do with altruism, symbols, beliefs and ceremonies.

intolerance, judging others, contolling others, hatred, wars...
--
Thanks,
- Win

Plonk. You're welcome.

Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su · Dec 15, 2004

"Reg Edwards" <g4fgq.regp@ZZZbtinternet.com> wrote in message
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And as responsible adults, there's no need for us to go around
poking at such hornets' nests as religion and politics.

=================================

Religion and Politics should not be bracketed together.

Religion is to do with altruism, symbols, beliefs and ceremonies.

Politics is to do with facts, lies, guns, and one's selfish interests.

I made _no_ such comparisons, other than they're both hornets' nests.
And the proof of that is that my mere mention of them got *you* riled up
enough to offer *your* two cents' worth.

Bob Stephens · Dec 15, 2004

On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:53:43 -0800, Richard Crowley wrote:

"Winfield Hill" <hill_a@t_rowland-dotties-harvard-dot.s-edu> wrote in
message news:cppdkq07ci@drn.newsguy.com...
Reg Edwards wrote...

Religion is to do with altruism, symbols, beliefs and ceremonies.

intolerance, judging others, contolling others, hatred, wars...
--
Thanks,
- Win

Plonk. You're welcome.

Would you please plonk me also?
Religious zealots suck.

Steve Evans · Dec 15, 2004

On 15 Dec 2004 05:19:22 -0800, Winfield Hill
<hill_a@t_rowland-dotties-harvard-dot.s-edu> wrote:

Reg Edwards wrote...

Religion is to do with altruism, symbols, beliefs and ceremonies.

intolerance, judging others, contolling others, hatred, wars...

yeah, the Catholic church has got a lot to answer for - as has Islam
and Judaism. itd be a better world without them.

--

Fat, sugar, salt, beer: the four essentials for a healthy diet.

Steve Evans · Dec 15, 2004

On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 00:18:23 GMT, "Clarence" <no@No.com> wrote:

Proof positive that the "good die Young" I guess.

which accuonts for how youre still stinking up the joint.

One of his patents was a zero offset amplifier IC. It was a great improvement
over one of the circuits I used at TMC. I hope my attempt started him
thinking.

probABLY not in the way youd like to imagine!

Always nice to repay a favor. He supported me on my patent.

probably because it was doomed to fail. no-one likes susccessful
competition.

would imagine he retained Joe Roediger for his patent work. He and I were
working on a modem for high data rates through a voice width channel when he
died. The project died with him,

not surprising, with you solely left to develope it.

and his 2nd wife threw all his work away.

your half of it, probably.

Since he was doing the receive end, I was out of luck.

Toghue.

His heart attack was at home in the shower, by the time the paramedics arrived
it was too late to do much. They transported him to the hospital and he died
shortly after. I suspect his was a "Coronary Thromboses."

thats very astute, considering youre a *moron*.

Bob was a workaholic, and his second wife liked me coming to visit because I
would bring a girl friend

Sheesh!!! *you* had a girlfriend??? thats a tall story. and i'll bet
his wife _hated_ you comeing to visit : "Bob! Bob! its that asswipe
Clarence again! Turn all the lights off and shut the fuck up!!!"

I actually miss the guy. I've lost so many friends due to death

yeah, that figures. with *you* boring them into an early grave.

and the bad
economy

whic country are you posting from?????

causing them to move away.

your company more like.

--

Fat, sugar, salt, beer: the four essentials for a healthy diet.

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