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[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandSNIP
techTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote (in <m6jjr01s75nofspss24npuru032jv1cui3@
4ax.com&gt about 'Beaujolais Nouveau Arrives in the U.S.', on Fri, 10 Dec
2004:

What about musicians, street sweepers, novelists, gardeners? They
contribute nothing material and bring no money into the country. All
they do is make other people feel better. Is that "productivity"?

In a strictly material sense, they help churn the funds. Insofar as they
make a living and don't depend on taxation funds for food, they do
contribute.

But there is more to life than the dull, grey figures of economics. Even
so, people need bread, 'bread' and circuses.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Guillaume <"grsNOSPAM at
NOTTHATmail dot com"@?.?> wrote (in <41b9d656$0$20834$7a628cd7@news.club
-internet.fr&gt about 'Beaujolais Nouveau Arrives in the U.S.', on Fri,
10 Dec 2004:

But let's take the creationism approach here, for argument's sake.
If the Creator has created all things in the Universe, surely He
has created Evil as well. For there is nothing he has not created.
Why would some part of Creation not fit in Creation? Sounds like
an unworkable paradox to me.

Different religions explain the paradox in different ways. Few of them
are credible. It's actually easier to produce a plausible hypothesis for
people doing bad things that for other bad things to exist.

A perfect Creator would naturally want to produce a life-form that is a
perfect creation. If that life-form had constraints on its activities
and thought-processes, it would be no more than a robot, and even over-
evolved monkeys can make robots. So, to be a perfect creation, the life-
form has to have free will (usually spelt Free Will), to be able to
choose to do good things sometimes and bad things sometimes.

But you can't explain droughts, floods, famines and disease that way.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:09:54 -0800, the renowned John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote:

I was just reading about the increasing "natalist" movement in
America. It's not organized but it's increasingly important. It's
about people who live in quiet, "boring" places and take available
jobs and don't care much about money or stuff. What's important to
them is kids and family.

John

The meek shall inherit flyover country?


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

 

[John Larkin]

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:40:01 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:09:54 -0800, the renowned John Larkin
jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote:

I was just reading about the increasing "natalist" movement in
America. It's not organized but it's increasingly important. It's
about people who live in quiet, "boring" places and take available
jobs and don't care much about money or stuff. What's important to
them is kids and family.

John

The meek shall inherit flyover country?

Yup. Kerry didn't lose so much because he lost states; but more
because the "Blue" states that he lost have increasing populations
hence more electoral votes than last election. The red "parentheses"
states aren't breeding.

That's an interesting dynamic: electoral votes are given by the voters
of a state, but the *number* of electoral votes they give depends on
the state's population, kids and non-voters included.

John

 

[Bob Stephens]

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:31:27 +0000, John Woodgate wrote:

Different religions explain the paradox in different ways. Few of them
are credible.

I like that.
Reminds me of:
There are two methods for winning an argument with a women. Neither one
works.

Bob

 

[pdmtr]

Hi Anders.
What do you mean by the "2pcs PCB-A and fill with PCB-B" phrase? Does
Olimex say that(meaning what?), as I've checked at
www.geocities.com/easy_pcb and it doesn't mention something like that
anywhere! If you want just one board you can do it, I think And the
price from Olimex is only for prototypes PCB with standard dimension
while at easy_pcb price is always based at Euros per dm2 and not for
Euroboard!!! That means that if your board has other dimensions than
the standard Eurocard 10x16cm (for example say 20x12cm) you can't do it
based at Olimex protos price, but you can do it, I believe, at
easy_pcb, for much-much better price...


Anders F wrote:

I've got to mention www.run.to/pcb (Olimex) here. 26US for a
Euro-board
(10x16cm) - and cheap shipping!
Been providing multiple fine prototypes for me. They are cheap - but
silk
screen is seen of better quality and the pcbs are cut (not routed).
But
Tsvetan panelize/cut for free: Not many will take an order like:
"2pcs PCB-A
and fill with PCB-B" =)

Cheers,
Anders

 

Anders F wrote:

I've got to mention www.run.to/pcb (Olimex) here. 26US for a
Euro-board
(10x16cm) - and cheap shipping!
Been providing multiple fine prototypes for me. They are cheap - but
silk
screen is seen of better quality and the pcbs are cut (not routed).
But
Tsvetan panelize/cut for free: Not many will take an order like:
"2pcs PCB-A
and fill with PCB-B" =)

Cheers,
Anders

Hello.
Just to clarify some things... Well, all of our boards are made using
EU made laminate, that is for sure better quality than the far east
ones... and has all the EU certifications also!!! Also we do pricing
PCBs only with dimension and not with how many holes it has, etc, that
others do! anyone can order us to make a prototype PCB without the
string dimensions of 10x10cm. Just price it will be calculated based on
the rule Euroxdm2. So if the board is a total of ie. 2.2dm2 the cost
will be our pricelist reference x 2.2! That simple... Regards Danai

 

[easy_pcb]

Hello.
Just to clarify some things... Well, all of our boards are made using
EU made laminate, that is for sure better quality than the far east
ones... and has all the EU certifications also!!! Also we do pricing
PCBs only with dimension and not with how many holes it has, etc,
that
others do! anyone can order us to make a prototype PCB without the
string dimensions of 10x10cm. Just price it will be calculated based
on
the rule Euroxdm2. So if the board is a total of ie. 2.2dm2 the cost
will be our pricelist reference x 2.2! That simple... Regards Danai

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:21:38 +0000, the renowned John Woodgate
<jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandSNIP
techTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote (in <ofhjr09nfqbbason3jqck3rsiiv3mlnkqr@
4ax.com&gt about 'Beaujolais Nouveau Arrives in the U.S.', on Fri, 10 Dec
2004:

I was just reading about the increasing "natalist" movement in America.
It's not organized but it's increasingly important. It's about people
who live in quiet, "boring" places and take available jobs and don't
care much about money or stuff. What's important to them is kids and
family.

The SF writers have been there over the years, usually depicting that
sort of life-style as ideal (e.g. Shangri-La). The only bit I would
disagree with is 'available jobs'. You need a job that gives you the
highest sense of fulfilment that you can get, and I don't believe you
can be happy, long-term, without that. Even whether that job is EE or
road-sweeper.

Do you figure that's due to some inherent defect in the human brain,
or is it as a result of socialization?


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlog
DOTyou.knowwhat> wrote (in <ni0kr0lptk90d1tfuebf2v2m3npdavhvho@4ax.com&gt
about 'Beaujolais Nouveau Arrives in the U.S.', on Fri, 10 Dec 2004:

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:21:38 +0000, the renowned John Woodgate
jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandSNIP
techTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote (in <ofhjr09nfqbbason3jqck3rsiiv3mlnkqr@
4ax.com&gt about 'Beaujolais Nouveau Arrives in the U.S.', on Fri, 10 Dec
2004:

I was just reading about the increasing "natalist" movement in America.
It's not organized but it's increasingly important. It's about people
who live in quiet, "boring" places and take available jobs and don't
care much about money or stuff. What's important to them is kids and
family.

The SF writers have been there over the years, usually depicting that
sort of life-style as ideal (e.g. Shangri-La). The only bit I would
disagree with is 'available jobs'. You need a job that gives you the
highest sense of fulfilment that you can get, and I don't believe you
can be happy, long-term, without that. Even whether that job is EE or
road-sweeper.

Do you figure that's due to some inherent defect in the human brain, or
is it as a result of socialization?

Sorry, *what* is due...? Settling for an 'available' job, or only being
happy with a fulfilling one?

And what do you mean by 'socialization'? It could mean many things, as
in 'socialized medicine', 'socialist party', 'socialist republic', etc.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[Rich Grise]

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:09:23 -0500, Spehro Pefhany wrote:

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:21:38 +0000, the renowned John Woodgate
jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandSNIP
techTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote (in <ofhjr09nfqbbason3jqck3rsiiv3mlnkqr@
4ax.com&gt about 'Beaujolais Nouveau Arrives in the U.S.', on Fri, 10 Dec
2004:

I was just reading about the increasing "natalist" movement in America.
It's not organized but it's increasingly important. It's about people
who live in quiet, "boring" places and take available jobs and don't
care much about money or stuff. What's important to them is kids and
family.

The SF writers have been there over the years, usually depicting that
sort of life-style as ideal (e.g. Shangri-La). The only bit I would
disagree with is 'available jobs'. You need a job that gives you the
highest sense of fulfilment that you can get, and I don't believe you
can be happy, long-term, without that. Even whether that job is EE or
road-sweeper.

Do you figure that's due to some inherent defect in the human brain,
or is it as a result of socialization?

It's imprints.

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 20:16:13 +0000, the renowned John Woodgate
<jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlog
DOTyou.knowwhat> wrote (in <ni0kr0lptk90d1tfuebf2v2m3npdavhvho@4ax.com&gt
about 'Beaujolais Nouveau Arrives in the U.S.', on Fri, 10 Dec 2004:
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:21:38 +0000, the renowned John Woodgate
jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandSNIP
techTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote (in <ofhjr09nfqbbason3jqck3rsiiv3mlnkqr@
4ax.com&gt about 'Beaujolais Nouveau Arrives in the U.S.', on Fri, 10 Dec
2004:

I was just reading about the increasing "natalist" movement in America.
It's not organized but it's increasingly important. It's about people
who live in quiet, "boring" places and take available jobs and don't
care much about money or stuff. What's important to them is kids and
family.

The SF writers have been there over the years, usually depicting that
sort of life-style as ideal (e.g. Shangri-La). The only bit I would
disagree with is 'available jobs'. You need a job that gives you the
highest sense of fulfilment that you can get, and I don't believe you
can be happy, long-term, without that. Even whether that job is EE or
road-sweeper.

Do you figure that's due to some inherent defect in the human brain, or
is it as a result of socialization?

Sorry, *what* is due...? Settling for an 'available' job, or only being
happy with a fulfilling one?

Sorry, the latter. Requiring *work* of some kind even though you have
your material needs taken care of many times over for the rest of your
life.

And what do you mean by 'socialization'? It could mean many things, as
in 'socialized medicine', 'socialist party', 'socialist republic', etc.

Nurture, not nature.
http://www.bartleby.com/59/17/socializatio.html

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlog
DOTyou.knowwhat> wrote (in <4a2kr0dvri0lf16i66um5p38klbkqq3k8o@4ax.com&gt
about 'Beaujolais Nouveau Arrives in the U.S.', on Fri, 10 Dec 2004:

Sorry, the latter. Requiring *work* of some kind even though you have
your material needs taken care of many times over for the rest of your
life.

Well, it has been termed 'the Protestant work ethic', but for me, why
should I not get paid for what I'd be doing anyway if I wasn't being
paid?

And what do you mean by 'socialization'? It could mean many things, as
in 'socialized medicine', 'socialist party', 'socialist republic', etc.

Nurture, not nature.
http://www.bartleby.com/59/17/socializatio.html

Yuck! It's in Chambers, so I can't call it a nasty neologism, but it
looks far too like something political, and is thus liable to be
seriously misunderstood.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[Rich Grise]

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:31:27 +0000, John Woodgate wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Guillaume <"grsNOSPAM at
NOTTHATmail dot com"@?.?> wrote (in <41b9d656$0$20834$7a628cd7@news.club
-internet.fr&gt about 'Beaujolais Nouveau Arrives in the U.S.', on Fri,
10 Dec 2004:

But let's take the creationism approach here, for argument's sake.
If the Creator has created all things in the Universe, surely He
has created Evil as well. For there is nothing he has not created.
Why would some part of Creation not fit in Creation? Sounds like
an unworkable paradox to me.

Different religions explain the paradox in different ways. Few of them
are credible. It's actually easier to produce a plausible hypothesis for
people doing bad things that for other bad things to exist.

A perfect Creator would naturally want to produce a life-form that is a
perfect creation. If that life-form had constraints on its activities
and thought-processes, it would be no more than a robot, and even over-
evolved monkeys can make robots. So, to be a perfect creation, the life-
form has to have free will (usually spelt Free Will), to be able to
choose to do good things sometimes and bad things sometimes.

But you can't explain droughts, floods, famines and disease that way.

Well, there is a new answer, that solves all of it. God was never intended
to be perfect, and neither are we. The fact is, it was God's attachment to
the fantasy of perfection that caused all of the pain and suffering. It
turns out that when God created the Big Bang, he was a brand-new god, and
didn't know what the ramifications would be. As it happens, the
ramifications are that being exploded into countless pieces hurts. So most
of Essence has been in pain since the beginning of time. The spirit part
just lifted out, since it's about as substantial as thought. But Will-Body
has been holding all of that pain and grief and brokenheartedness for all
of this long time.

But God has quite recently clued up, and wants to apologize and heal all
of it, but can't without our cooperation: http://www.godchannel.com .

The answer, of course, as usual, is Love.

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Clarence]

"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
news:4C37G2AzzguBFwof@jmwa.demon.co.uk...

I read in sci.electronics.design that Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlog
DOTyou.knowwhat> wrote (in <4a2kr0dvri0lf16i66um5p38klbkqq3k8o@4ax.com&gt
about 'Beaujolais Nouveau Arrives in the U.S.', on Fri, 10 Dec 2004:

Sorry, the latter. Requiring *work* of some kind even though you have
your material needs taken care of many times over for the rest of your
life.

Well, it has been termed 'the Protestant work ethic', but for me, why
should I not get paid for what I'd be doing anyway if I wasn't being
paid?

And what do you mean by 'socialization'? It could mean many things, as
in 'socialized medicine', 'socialist party', 'socialist republic', etc.

Nurture, not nature.
http://www.bartleby.com/59/17/socializatio.html

Yuck! It's in Chambers, so I can't call it a nasty neologism, but it
looks far too like something political, and is thus liable to be
seriously misunderstood.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.

Not a good definition IMO

Summary:-
socialization - acculturation, enculturation, socialisation, socialisation,
socialising, socializing, socialisation
Detailed description:-
3 Dictionary Entries found
---------------------------
1) n :the adoption of the behavior patterns of the surrounding culture
Example: the socialization of children to the norms of their culture
---------------------------
2) n :the act of meeting for social purposes
Example: there was too much socialization with the enlisted men
---------------------------
3) n :the action of establishing on a socialist basis
Example: the socialization of medical services

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 10:33:42 -0500, "Oppie" <boppie@-nospam-ludl.com>
wrote:

"Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"" <NOSPAM@dslextreme.com> wrote
in message news:10r32dahnud3qc2@corp.supernews.com...

But *why* would you ever want to pick up a cow pie???

I think that Jim replied correctly that they could be burnt when dry. As
gross as that sounds, that's what my wife's uncle and aunt did on the dairy
farm. The dried meadow muffins were used to bank the wood stove overnight.
Uncle gave the kids 3 cents per pie. My wife (being the smart one), would
pay her little brother 1 cent to see if they were dry by sticking his finger
in it. (probably the only honest work the guy ever did)

That's the sort of jobs I assigned to my sister ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Rich Grise <rich@example.net>
wrote (in <pan.2004.12.10.20.13.19.732295@example.net&gt about
'Beaujolais Nouveau Arrives in the U.S. - CAUTION: METAPHYSICS', on Fri,
10 Dec 2004:

The answer, of course, as usual, is Love.

As in tennis.

But you can't have a 'brand-new' god. Gods are outside of time, so 'new'
is meaningless.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 20:54:11 +0000, the renowned John Woodgate
<jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlog
DOTyou.knowwhat> wrote (in <4a2kr0dvri0lf16i66um5p38klbkqq3k8o@4ax.com&gt
about 'Beaujolais Nouveau Arrives in the U.S.', on Fri, 10 Dec 2004:

Sorry, the latter. Requiring *work* of some kind even though you have
your material needs taken care of many times over for the rest of your
life.

Well, it has been termed 'the Protestant work ethic', but for me, why
should I not get paid for what I'd be doing anyway if I wasn't being
paid?

Mainly because the people who are paying you have an irritating
tendency to want something in return, and hence desire to direct what
it is that you do with your (precious and limited) time.

And what do you mean by 'socialization'? It could mean many things, as
in 'socialized medicine', 'socialist party', 'socialist republic', etc.

Nurture, not nature.
http://www.bartleby.com/59/17/socializatio.html

Yuck! It's in Chambers, so I can't call it a nasty neologism, but it
looks far too like something political, and is thus liable to be
seriously misunderstood.

I suppose you're right. I really thought the meaning would be
crystal-clear from the context.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlog
DOTyou.knowwhat> wrote (in <r47kr099q8tev90thqru4jam4s98fa1v0d@4ax.com&gt
about 'Beaujolais Nouveau Arrives in the U.S.', on Fri, 10 Dec 2004:

Mainly because the people who are paying you have an irritating tendency
to want something in return, and hence desire to direct what it is that
you do with your (precious and limited) time.

I can always (well, almost always; the wolf does approach the door
occasionally) choose whether to take on a job or not.

And consultants are allowed to work 170 hours a week, of course.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[Rich Grise]

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:13:03 -0500, Spehro Pefhany wrote:

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 20:54:11 +0000, the renowned John Woodgate
I read in sci.electronics.design that Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlog
[lost attribution]
And what do you mean by 'socialization'? It could mean many things, as
in 'socialized medicine', 'socialist party', 'socialist republic', etc.

Nurture, not nature.
http://www.bartleby.com/59/17/socializatio.html

Yuck! It's in Chambers, so I can't call it a nasty neologism, but it
looks far too like something political, and is thus liable to be
seriously misunderstood.

I suppose you're right. I really thought the meaning would be
crystal-clear from the context.

To me it sounds a lot like the process of Mom teaching you not to pick
your nose at the dinner table.

Cheers!
Rich