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Terry Given · Dec 5, 2004

Rich Grise wrote:

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 14:33:15 -0800, Bill Sloman wrote:

Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message news:<8a54r01eearlrla9hmgm9tmjjt4eht083f@4ax.com>...

On Sat, 4 Dec 2004 11:43:00 -0800, "Watson A.Name - \"Watt Sun, the
Dark Remover\"" <NOSPAM@dslextreme.com> wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:etp3r05glk35pvuum4plbnj11gg0vot2fb@4ax.com...

On Sat, 4 Dec 2004 01:56:46 -0800, "Watson A.Name - \"Watt Sun, the
Dark Remover\"" <NOSPAM@dslextreme.com> wrote:

"Oppie" <oppie@-nospam-cloud9.net> wrote in message
news:10qt69o795rr82b@corp.supernews.com...

A little 'cow pie' humor, eh?

btw, why is a cow pie like a blonde?
The older they are, the easier they are to pick up.

But *why* would you ever want to pick up a cow pie???

[snip]

Where do you think the Frisbee concept came from ?

...Jim Thompson
--

I thought is name was Hoo Flung Poo. [

Naw, I can't see pitching one of those, because it'd fly apart. And
catching one would be a totally splattering mess. But then I'm a city
slicker, not a farm boy, and I don't believe half of what they say.
http://www.farmerboys.com/ I mean, C'mon! If you think that's big, you
oughtta see the chicken that laid it!

Naaaah! They dry up pretty sturdy... lot of straw content ;-)

Sure do. When I was a kid in Tasmania I got my face laid open by a
dried cow-pat that had been flung at me by another kid in the course
of some neighbourhood altercation - I think the flinger was as
surprised as I was by the effect, as we were pitching the cow pats at
one another over quite a distance, and none too accurately.

The wound bled quite profusely, but didn't need stitches, though I did
get an anti-tetanus injection. My parents were quite worried about
possible infection, but it healed up rapidly without leaving any scar.

It's actually probably one of the cleanest things you could get hit by
that's been picked up off the ground. The microbes that like to eat poop
don't like to infect wounds. Live flesh probably tastes bad to them. ;-)

I've heard from several different pieces of literature that maggots will
clean infection out of a sore, but not hurt live tissue. And I had a
GF once who worked as an MA for some Hollywood plastic surgeon, and she
reported that they actually do use live leeches to reduce bruising and
swelling. They're kept in special sterile leech-houses. She didn't say if
they fed them, or just left them hungry so that they'd go right to work. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

My partner worked on a plastics ward for a while. Medical grade leeches
are EXPENSIVE - something like $20 each. For some funny reason they have
to grow them in fairly sterile conditions, which is probably a neat trick.

Cheers
Terry

Genome · Dec 5, 2004

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:q6k6r05a4v49d0t78ebp8197egsrrktsk6@4ax.com...

On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 17:30:46 GMT, "Genome" <ilike_spam@yahoo.co.uk
wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:s7c6r0502u4ar2ejbum0k3uskbqj46353d@4ax.com...
On Sat, 4 Dec 2004 06:15:34 -0500, Active8 <reply2group@ndbbm.net
wrote:

That was a pretty good quicky Genome came up with for modeling the
supply current of an opamp - for the problem a hand. In case you
missed it, here it is:

|
| .-. I(D1)
+---------(--&gt-------------+
| '-' |
| D1 |
|\| +----->|--+ |
-|-\ | | ___ |
| >----+ +--|___|----+-----+
-|+/ | | | |
|/| | | | |
| +-----|<--+ | |
| D2 | ===
| .-. | GND
+---------(--&gt-------------+
| '-' I(D2)
|
created by Andy´s ASCII-Circuit v1.22.310103 Beta www.tech-chat.de

Works for modeling the current once the diode turns on but there's
bad crossover distortion.

Take the circuit from the "strange amp - MVC-324X.JPG - T600amp.jpg"
thread. Ok, don't take it. It's supposed to be an amp, not a switch.
So using the diodes to separate source and sink currents works, but
you get that distortion.

How can we model the supply current without the diode distortion?

Like this:

V+
|
|nodeP .-. G1
+---------(--&gt-------------+
| '-' |
| |
|\| |
-|-\ + | | | - |
| >---------||||||-----------)-----+
-|+/ | | | | |
|/| | \
| V1 0V | / LOAD
| | \
| .-. | |
+---------(<--)-------------+-----+
| '-' G2 |
|nodeN === GND
V- =

created by JimT's copy & paste v1.22.310103 Beta ;-)

G1 nodeP 0 Value = {(ABS(I(V1))+I(V1))/2}

G2 0 nodeN Value = {(ABS(I(V1))-I(V1))/2}

...Jim Thompson

Oh yes, and you know that's wrong.

What's the way of implementing ideal diode models in Pspice?

As above is one way. I guess you could tamper with the model
parameters, but why bother? You have to be careful with "ideal"... it
can give you great convergence heartburn.

Otherwise you have to write....

[snip C-crap :-]

Or some such stuff, assuming Spice will interprete it for you.

DNA

What I gave is standard PSpice behavioral syntax ;-)

...Jim Thompson

OK, so I'm seriously licking my wounds here.

{(ABS(I(V1))+I(V1))/2}

I copy and paste that in LTspice and it works. I get a half wave rectified
sine wave.

I am totally tub bolloxed.

ABS(I(V1))-I(V1)/2

NUH, I just deleted some pairs of parenthesises.

Gives me what I was moaning about.

Charb

Bluh,

Now then Jim!

As it were, as it were....

Just take us gently through the

{(ABS(I(V1))+I(V1))/2}

Function

DNA

Jim Thompson · Dec 5, 2004

On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 22:25:58 GMT, "Genome" <ilike_spam@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

[snip]

Now then Jim!

As it were, as it were....

Just take us gently through the

{(ABS(I(V1))+I(V1))/2}

Function

DNA

{(ABS(I(V1))+I(V1))/2}

Remove {} which simply designate, in PSpice notation, "containing an
expression":

(ABS(I(V1))+I(V1))/2

Drop the Div2 (and associated parentheses):

ABS(I(V1))+I(V1)

ABS(I(V1)) is the absolute value of I(V1) and is always positive

When I(V1) is negative, the net expression value is ZERO

When I(V1) is positive, the net expression value is 2*I(V1)

Thus the need for Div2

...Jim Thompson
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Genome · Dec 6, 2004

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:s237r09mb5h228m5jr7d1nmk84461a8oec@4ax.com...

On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 22:25:58 GMT, "Genome" <ilike_spam@yahoo.co.uk
wrote:

[snip]

Now then Jim!

As it were, as it were....

Just take us gently through the

{(ABS(I(V1))+I(V1))/2}

Function

DNA

{(ABS(I(V1))+I(V1))/2}

Remove {} which simply designate, in PSpice notation, "containing an
expression":

(ABS(I(V1))+I(V1))/2

Drop the Div2 (and associated parentheses):

ABS(I(V1))+I(V1)

ABS(I(V1)) is the absolute value of I(V1) and is always positive

When I(V1) is negative, the net expression value is ZERO

When I(V1) is positive, the net expression value is 2*I(V1)

Thus the need for Div2

...Jim Thompson

Oh shit.

After two hours of staring at it I just twigged it.

Now the above makes sense.

Thanks Jim, maybe.

DNA

John Woodgate · Dec 6, 2004

I read in sci.electronics.design that Terry Given <my_name@ieee.org>
wrote (in <rbLsd.22325$9A.386378@news.xtra.co.nz&gt

about 'Heard this
morning on talk radio', on Mon, 6 Dec 2004:

Medical grade leeches
are EXPENSIVE - something like $20 each.

They are members of the same trade union as tax collectors, of course.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

R. Steve Walz · Dec 6, 2004

Robert Monsen wrote:

R. Steve Walz wrote:
[snipped]

Do you deny materialism?
--------------------

No need to deny it, it's unfounded. Where the "world" is, is entirely
unfathomable, and any existence of physical reality outside of the
illusion of this life is entirely indemonstrable.

Existence happens within one aware being's life, and any other
assertion of a physicality outside of the sensory illusion
of personal life is merely a hoot. That our existence seems shared
is obvious, but that it would exist without us is entirely specious.
While principles of science permit us to predict and explains its
behavior, it in no way requires that it exist outside of one's
personal life, or when no one is looking, in fact, such is totally
indemonstrable.

Or do you simply deny that we can figure out
material things given the clues we are given?
---------------------

We obviously can figure out much about how life works within life,
or we surely wouldn't be able to achieve mastery over the planet.

But where and what this planet IS is entirely indemonstrable as
to being anywhere outside our life experience or existing without
us. The hypothetical of time prior to aware life is useful, as
a heuristic for explanation, but no more real than the Bohr atom.

Or, are you just yanking
our chain, playing the gadfly for the fun of it?
Robert Monsen
------------------------

Not at all, my concern is Truth, and Truth is what cannot be known,
as well as what can be known. Materialism cannot even BE tested.
It ranks as a supersition, like belief in witchcraft. Every physicist
knows this, if he is fully educated in Theory of Science and Q/M.

-Steve
--
-Steve Walz rstevew@armory.com ftp://ftp.armory.com/pub/user/rstevew
Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!!
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Rich Grise · Dec 6, 2004

On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 10:36:21 +1300, Terry Given wrote:

Rich Grise wrote:
...
I've heard from several different pieces of literature that maggots will
clean infection out of a sore, but not hurt live tissue. And I had a
GF once who worked as an MA for some Hollywood plastic surgeon, and she
reported that they actually do use live leeches to reduce bruising and
swelling. They're kept in special sterile leech-houses. She didn't say if
they fed them, or just left them hungry so that they'd go right to work. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

My partner worked on a plastics ward for a while. Medical grade leeches
are EXPENSIVE - something like $20 each. For some funny reason they have
to grow them in fairly sterile conditions, which is probably a neat trick.

I think the "funny reason" is that they apply them to patients to suck
their blood! ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

R. Steve Walz · Dec 7, 2004

Reg Edwards wrote:

Medical grade leeches
are EXPENSIVE - something like $20 each.

===============================

When doctors, who will admit to a not un-limited understanding of disease,
run short of ideas on treatment of a particular medical case, it is only
natural for them to fall back on old-time prescriptions for leeches and
blood-letting.

But why should they charge such exhorbitant, even blackmailing rates of pay
for their suspect services?

Ah well, let's forgive the profession. They are not angels. They are only
ordinary human beings like the rest of us blackmailing thieves.

But rest assured, the next time I am presented with a thirsty leech I shall
immediately change my doctor, without him ever hoping to receive any further
payments.
----
Reg
--------------------

Then soon your occluded extremity will fall off, when it could have
been allowed to survive by a leech, which induces superb minimal blood
flow out to the end where the leech consumes it, because it hasn't
otherwise regrown its damaged periphery wherein will soon lie the
venoles that will later allow a cyclic blood circulation. High pressure
arterioles supply from near bone, venoles receive from the outer regions
and conduct blood back to the heart. Most damage that is repairable is
to the outer venolic portion, and the leech acts as a minimal "heart"
to draw fresh blood through the extremity and slowly heal it. They also
produce superior localized anticlotting substances to prevent further
occlusion.

You Under-Educated Moron.

-Steve Physicist-Engineer & former ER-EMT 3.5 years.
--
-Steve Walz rstevew@armory.com ftp://ftp.armory.com/pub/user/rstevew
Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!!
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew or http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public

Chuck Harris · Dec 7, 2004

Reg Edwards wrote:

Medical grade leeches
are EXPENSIVE - something like $20 each.

===============================

When doctors, who will admit to a not un-limited understanding of disease,
run short of ideas on treatment of a particular medical case, it is only
natural for them to fall back on old-time prescriptions for leeches and
blood-letting.

But why should they charge such exhorbitant, even blackmailing rates of pay
for their suspect services?

Ah well, let's forgive the profession. They are not angels. They are only
ordinary human beings like the rest of us blackmailing thieves.

But rest assured, the next time I am presented with a thirsty leech I shall
immediately change my doctor, without him ever hoping to receive any further
payments.
----
Reg

Then you will probably lose that reattached finger.

-Chuck

Spehro Pefhany · Dec 7, 2004

On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 06:44:55 +0000, the renowned John Woodgate
<jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Terry Given <my_name@ieee.org
wrote (in <rbLsd.22325$9A.386378@news.xtra.co.nz&gt about 'Heard this
morning on talk radio', on Mon, 6 Dec 2004:

Medical grade leeches
are EXPENSIVE - something like $20 each.

They are members of the same trade union as tax collectors, of course.

The main difference is that leeches move on when you're dead.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

Rich Grise · Dec 7, 2004

On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 12:27:22 -0500, mark thomas wrote:

The artist formerly known as John Larkin wrote:

| On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 04:35:24 GMT, Blair P. Houghton <b@p.h> wrote:
|
|| Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
||| On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 11:01:28 -0800, the renowned John Larkin
||| <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote:
|||| On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 05:45:52 GMT, Blair P. Houghton <b@p.h> wrote:
|||||
||||| Governments do go bankrupt.
|||||
||||
|||| But they can print all the money they need.
||||
|||| John
|||
||| And this is what the result looks like:
|||
||| http://quotes.ino.com/chart/?s=NYBOT_DXY0&v=dmax
||
|| Gets worse:
||
|| http://www.joelscoins.com/exhibger2.htm
||
|| --Blair
|| "Samsonite is gonna make a mint."
|
|
| Why is it that some people take such joy in the hope of misery?
|
| John

Ambrose Bierce, in ''The Devil's Dictionary,'' offered the following
definition: ''Happiness, n. An agreeable sensation arising from
contemplating the misery of another.''

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/20/magazine/20WWLN.html

Possibly akin to the phenomenon of, "You should vote for our guy because
of what a shit the other guy is."

Cheers!
Rich

Rich The Philosophizer · Dec 7, 2004

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 22:06:15 -0800, John Larkin wrote:

On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 04:37:35 GMT, Blair P. Houghton <b@p.h> wrote:

Robert Monsen <rcsurname@comcast.net> wrote:
According to Krugman, the traditional approach is to price your exports
based on the value of currency you are getting paid in.

Krugman is wrong.

Prices for foreign goods in America will go up.

Which will change Chinese goods from insanely cheap to merely very
cheap. Like instead of getting 12 hacksaw blades for 99 cents, I might
- horrors! - only get six.

And European cars and wine will be a lot less interesting.

Prices for foreign goods in other foreign nations will not.

Right. American products will be more affordable.

America is losing its value.

What really makes a country valuable is its productivity.

If you're talking "value", and not just "price", it lies in the hearts of
its people.

;^j
Rich

amdx · Dec 7, 2004

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:41B50552.61DF@armory.com...

When doctors, who will admit to a not un-limited understanding of
disease,
run short of ideas on treatment of a particular medical case, it is only
natural for them to fall back on old-time prescriptions for leeches and
blood-letting.

But why should they charge such exhorbitant, even blackmailing rates of
pay
for their suspect services?

Ah well, let's forgive the profession. They are not angels. They are
only
ordinary human beings like the rest of us blackmailing thieves.

But rest assured, the next time I am presented with a thirsty leech I
shall
immediately change my doctor, without him ever hoping to receive any
further
payments.
----
Reg
--------------------
Then soon your occluded extremity will fall off, when it could have
been allowed to survive by a leech, which induces superb minimal blood
flow out to the end where the leech consumes it, because it hasn't
otherwise regrown its damaged periphery wherein will soon lie the
venoles that will later allow a cyclic blood circulation. High pressure
arterioles supply from near bone, venoles receive from the outer regions
and conduct blood back to the heart. Most damage that is repairable is
to the outer venolic portion, and the leech acts as a minimal "heart"
to draw fresh blood through the extremity and slowly heal it. They also
produce superior localized anticlotting substances to prevent further
occlusion.

You Under-Educated Moron.

-Steve Physicist-Engineer & former ER-EMT 3.5 years.

Thank you Steve, ah, I meant to say somthing like that!

Dr.No · Dec 7, 2004

You stupid and ignorant American idiot !!!

Most of the things you eat and drink, came from Europe!!!

You would not have a single grapevine if it they were not brought by honest
people from all over Europe who believed that they are going to the better
world, but they ended in worse police regime ever.....

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:4g9qp0lul0q36g4erdspp4mek7jo641vmh@4ax.com...

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:38:55 GMT, Bob Stephens
stephensyomamadigital@earthlink.net> wrote:

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:00:10 +0100, Simon Cussonnet wrote:

yeah Beaujolais nouveau isn't for red necks.
Best to keep fur us French

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> a écrit dans le message news:
gaupp0pdt5s4h7i4ild3ig711r48526kdf@4ax.com...
Don't waste your money supporting the French enemy. Buy American or
Aussie !-)

...Jim Thompson

I say we reposses our California grapevines. They probably never payed
for
them anyway...

Bob

Good point. Most people don't know that French vineyards were
destroyed by rot and vine cuttings from California were sent to France
to re-plant them.

But you know how it is... we bad Americans never bail out the
Europeans ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

Jim Thompson · Dec 7, 2004

On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 20:08:40 +0100, "Dr.No" <Dr.No@007.com> wrote:

You stupid and ignorant American idiot !!!

Most of the things you eat and drink, came from Europe!!!

You would not have a single grapevine if it they were not brought by honest
people from all over Europe who believed that they are going to the better
world, but they ended in worse police regime ever.....

[snip]

480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax

Jim Thompson · Dec 7, 2004

On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 12:57:11 -0800, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 20:08:40 +0100, "Dr.No" <Dr.No@007.com> wrote:

You stupid and ignorant American idiot !!!

Most of the things you eat and drink, came from Europe!!!

Corn, potatoes, chocolate, coffee, rice, noodles, ... classic European
inventions? OK, you get credit for white bread and horsemeat.

You would not have a single grapevine if it they were not brought by honest
people from all over Europe

Grapes were native to North America in pre-Columbian times. The
Concord grape rootstocks saved the European vineyards from the
Phylloxera critter.

who believed that they are going to the better
world,

And they're free to leave any time.

but they ended in worse police regime ever.....

Right, the US invented the Inquisition, the Nazi death camps, the
pogroms, and top posting.

John

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Chuck Harris · Dec 7, 2004

John Larkin wrote:

Right, the US invented the Inquisition, the Nazi death camps, the
pogroms, and top posting.

John

Uhmm, the US probably did invent top posting. It worked better when
all newsreaders paged out the messages from the top to the bottom,
like the unix command "more". There were few things more frustrating
than waiting for a long quoted message to scroll by a page at a time at
300 baud, just to get to the end and read a well reasoned "me too!".

Come to think of it, bottom posting is still frustrating today even with
broadband. Now you have to drag the mouse bar to the bottom of a
1000 line quoted posting just to read a well reasoned "me too!".

-Chuck Harris

Frank Bemelman · Dec 7, 2004

"Chuck Harris" <cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> schreef in bericht
news:VfKdndUQS4zpgCvcRVn-sw@rcn.net...

Come to think of it, bottom posting is still frustrating today even with
broadband. Now you have to drag the mouse bar to the bottom of a
1000 line quoted posting just to read a well reasoned "me too!".

People agree so rarely with me, that scrolling down 1000 lines for
a 'me too!' is quite worth it

--
Thanks, Frank.
(remove 'q' and 'invalid' when replying by email)

Frank Bemelman · Dec 7, 2004

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> schreef in
bericht news:ll5cr0piv280apm86lh2qr044ivcujrttc@4ax.com...

On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 20:08:40 +0100, "Dr.No" <Dr.No@007.com> wrote:

You stupid and ignorant American idiot !!!

Most of the things you eat and drink, came from Europe!!!

Corn, potatoes, chocolate, coffee, rice, noodles, ... classic European
inventions? OK, you get credit for white bread and horsemeat.

You would not have a single grapevine if it they were not brought by
honest
people from all over Europe

Grapes were native to North America in pre-Columbian times. The
Concord grape rootstocks saved the European vineyards from the
Phylloxera critter.

who believed that they are going to the better
world,

And they're free to leave any time.

but they ended in worse police regime ever.....

Right, the US invented the Inquisition, the Nazi death camps, the
pogroms, and top posting.

'Dr. No' should have stopped after stating the obvious 'You stupid and
ignorant American idiot !!!' in his reply to JT, but I guess he got
carried away a bit. Since he closed with '... worse police regime ever'
he has regained his balance and all is well.

--
Thanks, Frank.
(remove 'q' and 'invalid' when replying by email)

Jim Thompson · Dec 8, 2004

On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 16:23:58 -0800, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 23:32:11 +0100, "Frank Bemelman"
f.bemelmanq@xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote:

'Dr. No' should have stopped after stating the obvious 'You stupid and
ignorant American idiot !!!' in his reply to JT, but I guess he got
carried away a bit. Since he closed with '... worse police regime ever'
he has regained his balance and all is well.

Yes, I can hear those soldiers goose-stepping in the street below. No,
wait, those are actual geese!

John

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