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[Frank Bemelman]

"Rich The Philosophizer" <null@example.net> schreef in bericht
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"Mark Fergerson" <nunya@biz.ness> schreef in bericht
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Now, once again, I ask you to tell me what exactly the
9-11 events were supposedly a "righteous" response to.

Bin laded explained that quite clear in his latest video.

IMO it boils down to the continious interfering in the middle
east, such as financial aid to Isreal, and to Egypt perhaps.

Jimmy Carter purchased his Nobel Prize (and Arafat's, thrown into the
bargain) with six billion dollars worth of bribes to Israel and Egypt,
perhaps the most expensive handshake in history.

I didn't know that. Typical US response, if they don't fancy
a plain war, they start throwing money at it, or whatever it takes
to upset someone elses neighbourhood.

So, are you saying that death and destruction are better than
life and love?

No, emptyhead, I'm telling you that the US always interferes, and
by carefully choosing which one gets 'aid' you can easily create
situations where people automatically start to kill one another.
Pumping money into Israels army, for instance. Day in, day out.

Why does this not surprise me?

Because you fill your memory with random thoughts. To freshen
up your memory, perhaps you have noticed that the last weeks I
have done not much else than showing my disapproval of Bush and
his great war on terror.

--
Thanks, Frank.
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[Rich The Philosophizer]

On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 11:08:08 +1300, Terry Given wrote:

Ban TV I say. Its all shit anyway. For fucks sake, people who think Ray
Romano is funny really shouldnt be allowed to vote. And if they stopped
breathing for 15 minutes or so, the national average IQ would skyrocket.

Nah. Banning anything is an unthinking approach to a problem. The real

problem here is that the government has turned schools into little
more than propaganda mills. "Don't think!" "Fit in!" "Keep up with
the Joneses!" and so on.

Maybe it goes back to the industrial revolution, when suddenly
people had all those kids to warehouse and there weren't enough
jobs.

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Terry Given]

JeffM wrote:

Mozilla is a browser, news reader, mail reader, html authoring,
and javascript debugging program.
Chuck Harris

After my PC shat itself just recently, I got my PC guy to set me up

with

Mozilla Firefox & thunderbird, and open office. And it works
surprisingly well - prior to that I used IE/outlook express (win2k),

and

those two programs used to crash on a regular basis - at least

weekly.

Terry Given


Once a clone of M$ Exchange is available, OE is cooked.
With a utility that will extract your data from MICROS~1's proprietary
format
I can't imagine anyone with half a brain using that virus vector any
more.

The number of folks who are switching from MSIE to Moz is reassuring.
It was the rare occasion when IE lasted for me for 3 days without
crashing
--often much, much less (that was years ago).
I use the Seamonkey suite 1.7.2 (one release back)
and it does have a memory leak, so I have to shut it down now and
then,
but it's orders of magnitude over what I got from IE.

What sold me was the configurability.
I tried Firefox, but they removed some of the options and that bugged
me.
The HTML editor (Composer) is handy for touching up pages for
printing.
What I really love are the plug-ins,
especially DownloadWith, FlashBlock, and AdBlock.
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/09/06/1228202&threshold=4&mode=nested#10168727

Seamonkey:
http://update.mozilla.org/extensions/showlist.php?numpg=50&os=windows&version=1.7&submit=Update

FireFox:
http://texturizer.net/firefox/extensions

you are obviously a much more advanced user than I. I never download any
software, and I try not to upgrade things either. My previous PC ran for
4 years with no changes whatsoever, before succumbing to HDD failure.

I have PC people who get things working for me, then I leave them the
hell alone. And I never implement M$ patches - the last time I tried I
got the blue screen of death (luckily it all started up again).

Cheers
Terry

 

[DAW]

Good, then DON'T say any more.

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Fox News Reports Arafat Dead

Let us hope that his successor is peace-thinking.

Let us hope that his successor is peace-thinking too.

http://almaz.com/nobel/peace/1994a.html

And let us also hope that Israel starts acting normal.

Arafat is the father of terrorism. No person who is against
terrorism will mourn his passing.

Israel is acting in good faith considering that Arafats terrorists
are continually killing Isreali women and children.

Let's have a look at the counter:
http://www.geocities.com/tents444/counters.htm#bann

974 Isrealis, 3426 Palestines.

Who is continually killing who? And who is supporting
Israel by donating money *every day* so they can arm
themselves for their holy task? I know of one:
http://www.rense.com/general31/rege.htm

And when you still have some time left, read the full text:
http://www.billbuckel.com/pal-corr.htm

Or a snippet from the above link:

"The $3 billion per year of U.S. tax money used to support Israeli tyranny
has impact beyond injustice to Palestinians. It also puts ordinary
Americans
who travel or work abroad at risk. Desperate people strike back at tyranny
in desperate ways. In recent years, two American embassies (in Kenya and
Tanzania) and a war ship (the USS Cole) have been retaliation targets. The
U.S. Government indictment against Kenya bombers, alleged that they
conspired to attack Americans anywhere in order to pressure the United
States to stay out of the Middle East. [Terrorist gets life with no parole
in embassy blast, Columbus Dispatch, 6/13/01, Page A3, Ref.3] [X]
Accordingly, the first step toward getting freedom and justice in
Palestine
and reducing anti-American feelings abroad is to stop all U.S. financial
aid
to Israel, until there is a long-term solution in place. "

I have no more to say.

--
Thanks, Frank.
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[Rich The Philosophizer]

On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 15:43:54 -0700, Mark Fergerson wrote:

R. Steve Walz wrote:

Mark Fergerson wrote:

Rich Grise wrote:

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 04:08:51 -0700, Mark Fergerson wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

http://www.ronanddave.com/week/week.htm

It's a matter of respective priorities. IOW for each, the
first is mandatory, the second if they can be bothered to
get around to it.

Nah. The conservatives see society as an anthill, and
the liberals
see it as a flower garden. ;-)

So, the former want to feed us sugar water and the latter
bullshit? Sounds about right.
---------------------
You're a swallower of the wealthy's disinformative bullshit.

You really ought to know better than that, especially
after all our previous discussions.

Maybe I compacted it a bit too far; I tend to see
cascades of consequences, like the fact that dentists would
just love all the potential work in such a case, like they
have now with "Officially Approved" dentifrices containing
massive amounts of sugar....
Of course, that's a literal interpretation, but I meant
my statement to be taken allegorically. "Sugar water"
alludes to the Right's habit of painting everything in
shades of rose, while downplaying all the thorny
consequences of their agenda.

This is wry. I was talking about how the society is organized,
R Steve Walz seems to be talking about food, albeit I do think
I grasp his symbolism, and you appear to be talking about
information distribution.

Verrry interesting....

;^j
Rich

 

[Rich The Philosophizer]

On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 00:51:47 +0100, Frank Bemelman wrote:

"Rich The Philosophizer" <null@example.net> schreef in bericht
On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 22:36:32 +0100, Frank Bemelman wrote:
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On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 20:34:57 +0100, "Frank Bemelman"

"Mark Fergerson" <nunya@biz.ness> schreef in bericht
Now, once again, I ask you to tell me what exactly the
9-11 events were supposedly a "righteous" response to.
Bin laded explained that quite clear in his latest video.

IMO it boils down to the continious interfering in the middle
east, such as financial aid to Isreal, and to Egypt perhaps.

Jimmy Carter purchased his Nobel Prize (and Arafat's, thrown into
the bargain) with six billion dollars worth of bribes to Israel and
Egypt, perhaps the most expensive handshake in history.
....
No, emptyhead, I'm telling you that the US always interferes, and by
carefully choosing which one gets 'aid' you can easily create situations
where people automatically start to kill one another. Pumping money into
Israels army, for instance. Day in, day out.

I thought you were bitching about a boughten peace prize.

Are you saying, then, that the peace prize was bogus, and it wasn't
really about peace, and that Jimmy and Yassir weren't actually in
favor of peace?

Please, go slow. Maybe use little words.

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Rich The Philosophizer]

On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 08:12:08 +0000, R. Steve Walz wrote:

Rich Grise wrote:

On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 11:44:55 +0000, R. Steve Walz wrote:

Terry Given wrote:

R. Steve Walz wrote:

Terry Given wrote:

Tom MacIntyre wrote:


Just because something is a common thing in socialist countries, does
that mean that it can't happen in non-socialist countries? Is it the
defining thing that makes a country socialist?

Tom

reverse your argument, and apply it to your statement re. forced > servitude.
-------------------
You mean having to work for a living? That's not forced servitude,
in serfdom/slavery/servitude you are NOT PAID! In Socialism/Communism
you simply have to work for a living, or else starve! Just like in
real life on earth!


again, too literal. First DMO'C implies Dems are socialists because they
promote mandatory service, and forced servitude is common in socialist
countries.
-------------
That's merely fuzzy thinking. "Involuntary Servitude" is slavery
without pay. Everyone has to work to eat,...

Re-posted because you deleted it:

I deleted the rest of it because I wasn't responding to the rest of it.

I was responding to "Everyone has to work to eat."

That is not true, unless you consider begging or dumpster-diving to
be "work."

The rest is conversation, which becomes irrelevant since it's based
on a fallacy.

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Terry Given]

Rich The Philosophizer wrote:

On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 17:07:52 +1300, Terry Given wrote:


Rich The Philosophizer wrote:


On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 12:09:28 +1300, Terry Given wrote:


Funny, I could have sworn I knew what I meant when I wrote that sentence.


ROFL!



As did I. Actually thats precisely why I did not take English as a
subject in 7th form (final year in high school). In 6th form we studied
a poem by NZ poet Sam Hunt. Like all of his poems, it was simple and
direct, but our teacher disagreed with the entire class as to what the
poem was about. That year Sam Hunt visited our school (he is a great
live show - hilarious, with a unique, captivating voice) and spent 1/4
an hour with our 6th form class. Naturally we asked about the poem, and
he duly agreed with us - much to our delight, and our teachers chagrin.
Nevertheless after Sam Hunt left, when we begin to take the teacher to
task, he let rip with something along the lines of:

"well thats what he might think he meant, but subconsciously...."

which was greeted with hoots of derision, IIRC I got caned for saying
"fuck off" or words to that effect. But we wrote what the teacher wanted
to hear, and passed, and I concluded that it was all a load of bollocks
and concentrated on physics instead, leading me to a career of blowing
things up rather than that of a wordsmith.



ROFLMAOPIMP<*gasp*>LOL<*gasp*>ROFLMAOA<*gasp*


Whew!
Rich

Hi Rich,

I hope you dont mind if I pinch your
"ROFLMAOPIMP<*gasp*>LOL<*gasp*>ROFLMAOA<*gasp*>" line and claim it as my
own

Honest though, thats what the guy said. We didnt get on very well. Once
after I got caned (6 of the best) for being disruptive, as I walked back
in somebody asked if it hurt - nah, I said, and was promptly marched
back outside for 6 more. I kept my mouth shut when I came back in, it
was starting to hurt by then

Still, it could have been worse. One of the woodwork teachers used to
take you outside, and make you bend over with your head sticking thru
the doorway whilst being caned, so the whole class looked at your face.
Another would make you bend over and stick your head underneath a desk,
so when you got caned you also smacked your head on the underside of the
desk. One teacher in particular, Harrison Ngatai (we used to call him
Nasty Harry) was banned from caning after managing to draw blood on one
poor bastard - big arms, thin cane. And my buddy Diz(zy Gillespie) got
caned in the back of the head, when Stock missed his arse. A week later
Diz was writing "stock is a wanker" on the blackboard when, unbeknownst
to Diz, Mr Stock walked in, and whacked Diz in the back of the head,
breaking his nose on the blackboard. That was 3rd form french, a real
fun class. One earthquake drill, instead of getting under our desks
(which Stock did) we threw our desks ontop of his, burying him under a
large pile. He used to swear underhis breath at the students, and
eventually left to take up a job at the all-girls school down the road.
6 months later he had a nervous breakdown, apparently the girls made us
look like amateurs

The summer break between my 6th and 7th form years, the government
banned corporal punishment in schools. A shame i think - I certainly
learned consequences - do what you must, but pay the price

Cheers
Terry

 

[Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su]

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In <418B3FEF.17CF@armory.com>, on 11/05/04 at 08:48 AM,
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> said:
--------------
Nazi's are Rightists, like Republicans, YOU go read history!


Steve,

You come flying in here this AM with twenty posts spouting all kinds
of
misinformation and that is okay. Everyone seems to want to publicly
embarass
themselves in this group, why would you be any different.

You should be like others, and ignore his off-topic, bigoted crap.
Others have learned to duck and let the fit fly over when it hits the
shan.

I realize you won't change your mind, and you will probably respond
with some
really mean spirited comments, but I will take my turn on the soap box
and ask
if it might be possible for all of us, not just you, but all of us, to
knock
off the comments that have to include the accusation that someone is a
Nazi?

Might as well be talking to a wall.

[snip]

Before you regurgitate venom all over the list because of this post,
just stop
and think about maybe keeping it on an even keel and see if you can
voice an
opinion without attaching racist, bigoted comments to it?

Just thought it might add an air of civility and class to the
group........
g

You're just encouraging the troll.

> John

 

uvcceet@juno.com wrote:

In <418B3FEF.17CF@armory.com>, on 11/05/04 at 08:48 AM,
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> said:
--------------
Nazi's are Rightists, like Republicans, YOU go read history!

You come flying in here this AM with twenty posts spouting all kinds of
misinformation and that is okay.
-----------------
Nope, bullshit, I'm informing, YOU'RE disinforming.

You aren't informing anyone of anything, other than you know how to swear a
lot, and make childish comments. You will never live long enough to put forth
a rational argument that Republicans are like Nazis. You are just a sad,
tired, broken little man who has no job, no life, no loved ones, and beyond
usenet, no life.

Disinforming????

Everyone seems to want to publicly embarass
themselves in this group, why would you be any different.
-------------------
You're a contentless posturer.
{the rest of your posture deleted]

You see? When you are caught, and have to defend, you simply lash out with a
swearing tantrum, or you attack the messenger. That is absolutely the method
of the liberal, except you are a conservative, bent on stirring the pot here
and making comments that even you don't buy into. Nice try, but it takes a
real liberal to use the standard form of attack in the most persuasive manner.
Practice, practice, practice....

I don't know, but frankly, if there is going to be a
reasonable dialog, there might ought to be some rules, and if its considered
wrong to call someone a nigger, then perhaps its wrong to call someone a
nazi. Fair is fair.
------------------------
Nope. Bullshit. You don't like being called what you are, therefore you liken
it to being called a nigger, which is disinforming and disingenuous and
dishonest.

Nah, I am not a Republican, so your attempt to classify me as a Nazi is
impotent, not unlike yourself. You don't even know what a Nazi is. You were
only born about twenty years ago, so how could you possibly know what Nazi
even is?

Before you regurgitate venom all over the list because of this post, just stop
and think about maybe keeping it on an even keel and see if you can voice an
opinion without attaching racist, bigoted comments to it?
-------------------------
And NOW you're trying to UTILIZE your phony argument.
Calling lying criminals like you a lying criminal is not in any way"
bigoted".

Here again, the troll cannot defend his position, so he attacks and tries to
insult the messenger. Sad. Really sad. If you are going to make stuff up and
hang in the group as the phony you are, you are going to have to do better
than just say mean spirited stuff to people with whom you pretend to disagree.

Just thought it might add an air of civility and class to the group........
g

John
------------------------
For that to happen you'd have to be tortured to death here horribly.

You are not very good at this usenet stuff. Maybe in a few more years of
practice you will be able to sustain a discussion with actual facts instead of
dopey attacks that for some reason you seem to think will make a man out of
you.

You are in the trash as there are better things to do than watch you flail
away and try to find some semblance of manhood by calling everyone names and
speaking abusively. Maybe some day, when you grow up, you will have something
useful to say, but I sure won't be seeing your posts, so I guess I will have
to miss that.

Steve, you are pretty good at pretending to be an idiot, but there are still
some holes in your act that you need to patch up before you can say that you
have succeeded. Its still obvious you are just trolling to try to incite, and
that you really do not have the courage of your own convictions in what you
say, and what you pretend to believe. Usually, when people do what you are
trying to do, they come off as pretty believable, but so far, I give you a D-

Have a nice life,

John

 

[Tom MacIntyre]

On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 08:03:14 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com>
wrote:

Rich Grise wrote:

On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 08:41:59 +0000, R. Steve Walz wrote:

Terry Given wrote:

Tom MacIntyre wrote:

No, registration for the draft is mandatory, and only for men.
The draft itself is inactive. No one is being drafted NOW.
---------
YET!


But Kerry proposed mandatory service for all high school students.
And Democrat Rep. Charles Rangel of NY pushed a bill in Congress
for mandatory military service.
-------------------------
That's ONLY because he KNOWS that if EVERYONE had to serve they would
never tolerate idiots taking us to cultural urban wars. They'd vote
to nuke our enemies instead, as we SHOULD be doing.

So, you really think the whole world should be destroyed?

I didn't know you were _that_ fanatical.

Thanks,
Rich
----------------------------
It wouldn't take a quarter of our early air-burst nuclear tests to
turn Islam into a meaningless religion of a few impoverished bedouins.
We survived those pretty well.

-Steve

Collateral damage?

Tom

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 09:56:38 -0700, uvcceet@juno.com wrote:

uvcceet@juno.com wrote:

In <418B3FEF.17CF@armory.com>, on 11/05/04 at 08:48 AM,
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> said:
[snip]

Nah, I am not a Republican, so your attempt to classify me as a Nazi is
impotent, not unlike yourself. You don't even know what a Nazi is. You were
only born about twenty years ago, so how could you possibly know what Nazi
even is?

[snip]

IIRC, I believe Steve to be an old fart and pornography propagator.

...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[Tom MacIntyre]

On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 08:48:41 GMT, Rich The Philosophizer
<null@example.net> wrote:

On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 08:12:08 +0000, R. Steve Walz wrote:

Rich Grise wrote:

On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 11:44:55 +0000, R. Steve Walz wrote:

Terry Given wrote:

R. Steve Walz wrote:

Terry Given wrote:

Tom MacIntyre wrote:


Just because something is a common thing in socialist countries, does
that mean that it can't happen in non-socialist countries? Is it the
defining thing that makes a country socialist?

Tom

reverse your argument, and apply it to your statement re. forced > servitude.
-------------------
You mean having to work for a living? That's not forced servitude,
in serfdom/slavery/servitude you are NOT PAID! In Socialism/Communism
you simply have to work for a living, or else starve! Just like in
real life on earth!


again, too literal. First DMO'C implies Dems are socialists because they
promote mandatory service, and forced servitude is common in socialist
countries.
-------------
That's merely fuzzy thinking. "Involuntary Servitude" is slavery
without pay. Everyone has to work to eat,...

Re-posted because you deleted it:
-------------
That's merely fuzzy thinking. "Involuntary Servitude" is slavery
without pay. Everyone has to work to eat, and to do one's equal
share of the work. If you're paid, it doesn't matter if you HAVE
to or not, you have to work to afford to live, even in the simplest
human society or situation, the earth extracts that, and we merely
decide socially how the burden is divided! The Rich want the rest
of us to do THEIR work FOR them so THEY don't HAVE to,

So who gives a fuck what they want? Are they holding you at
gunpoint?

Slavery depends on the consent of the slave.

Thanks,
Rich

I'm sure black America is really in approval of this line. :-(

Tom

 

[Tom MacIntyre]

On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 17:07:52 +1300, Terry Given <my_name@ieee.org>
wrote:

Rich The Philosophizer wrote:

On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 12:09:28 +1300, Terry Given wrote:

Funny, I could have sworn I knew what I meant when I wrote that sentence.


ROFL!



As did I. Actually thats precisely why I did not take English as a
subject in 7th form (final year in high school). In 6th form we studied
a poem by NZ poet Sam Hunt. Like all of his poems, it was simple and
direct, but our teacher disagreed with the entire class as to what the
poem was about. That year Sam Hunt visited our school (he is a great
live show - hilarious, with a unique, captivating voice) and spent 1/4
an hour with our 6th form class. Naturally we asked about the poem, and
he duly agreed with us - much to our delight, and our teachers chagrin.
Nevertheless after Sam Hunt left, when we begin to take the teacher to
task, he let rip with something along the lines of:

"well thats what he might think he meant, but subconsciously...."

When the "new math" was introduced in our school, our principal stated
that Base 2 and binary weren't the same.

which was greeted with hoots of derision, IIRC I got caned for saying
"fuck off" or words to that effect. But we wrote what the teacher wanted
to hear, and passed, and I concluded that it was all a load of bollocks
and concentrated on physics instead, leading me to a career of blowing
things up rather than that of a wordsmith.

Sounds like working for the government...say what they want to hear.

Tom

Cheers
Terry

 

[Tom MacIntyre]

On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 12:15:11 +1300, Terry Given <my_name@ieee.org>
wrote:

Tom MacIntyre wrote:

On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 13:10:41 +1300, Terry Given <my_name@ieee.org
wrote:


Tom MacIntyre wrote:


On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 10:58:10 +1300, Terry Given <my_name@ieee.org
wrote:



Dennis M. O'Connor wrote:



"Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"" <NOSPAM@dslextreme.com
wrote...



"Dennis M. O'Connor" <dmoc@primenet.com> wrote ...



"hamilton" <hamilton@deminsional.com> wrote...



Here is truth:
Conservatives want to control your life, but will let you keep your

money.



Liberals want to control your money, but will let you keep your

life.



What bullshit. Kerry is advocating a draft ("mandatory service")
for all young adults. No "Conservative" is doing that.

Umm, the draft's already mandatory. It's part of the law.


No, registration for the draft is mandatory, and only for men.
The draft itself is inactive. No one is being drafted NOW.

But Kerry proposed mandatory service for all high school students.
And Democrat Rep. Charles Rangel of NY pushed a bill in Congress
for mandatory military service.

Forced servitude to the state is a common thing in socialist countries,
so it is no surprise that the Democrats are pushing it.




And show me someone from either side that is willing to let
competent adults make their own decisions about what they
eat, drink, breath, smoke or inject into themselves !

To quote your own words, "> What bullshit."


I see no meaning in your response.

Is Israel a socialist country?


Just because something is a common thing in socialist countries, does
that mean that it can't happen in non-socialist countries? Is it the
defining thing that makes a country socialist?

Tom

reverse your argument, and apply it to your statement re. forced servitude.

To paraphrase you:
banning gay marriage is a common thing in islamic countries,
so it is no surprise that the Republicans are pushing it.

there is no causal relationship, its just pointless rhetoric.


No, it is pointing out that mutual exclusivity is rare.


this is quite correct (sorry for the screw up in which I mistook you for
DMO'C). My entire point is that the original argument (basically
socialist countries do it therefore dems are socialist) was stupid - for
exactly the reason you pointed out, and clarified nicely here. My
mis-reading the name led me to argue that DMO'C contradicted himself
when in fact he did not - you pointed out the fallacious argument.

I'll try to read harder next time....

Maybe you got caned a few times too many...

Tom

Tom


Cheers
Terry

 

[Tom MacIntyre]

On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 08:00:04 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com>
wrote:

Terry Given wrote:

R. Steve Walz wrote:

The moneyed are a minority. I'm exorting the Majority!
Fully half of ALL wealth and property in the USA is owned by fewer
than 2% of the people, did you KNOW that? Beyond that, the top 25%
own or receive 80% of our gross national product!! Now how long should
the Majority tolerate that, when they could change it TOMORROW if they
wished. The only obstacle is over-coming the disinformation that this
Majority believes!

dont 100 individuals control more than 75% of the worlds wealth?
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Since it takes between 1% and 2% (it varies year to year) to own 50%
of the US wealth, that wouldn't be true.

I forget where I ran across those numbers, but the US is not all of the
worlds economy - not even half. But they still sound wrong.
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No, my figures are for the USA.
But the US economy is a major part of the world economy.
In Europe it takes nearly 40% of the people to own half of everything.
Wealth is MUCH more concentrated in few hands in the USA!

http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/WealthDist_TheNation.pdf


The Myth called "Social Darwinism" is not in any way, shape, or form
based on Darwin's Evolution of Species or natural selection.

NO competent theory of evolution suggests that advanced species such
as ours evolved by the strongest guys winning out, or we'd all look
like Neanderthal SwarzeNazi's, and you know what happened to the
Neanderthals!! They ain't here now! Humans evolved to be chief species
by being a hundred times MORE group-cooperative and group-coordinated
than any other species on this rock, and NOT by fighting amongst
ourselves AT ALL! Our superiority resides in keeping the brightest of
our nerds supported by the collective so they could innovate. It
resides in everybody running at danger to one of our weak, not running
away from it. We scared the shit out of every predator on earth because
we did things they didn't evolve to counter, like running at them en
masse, throwing things, and stabbing with sharp spears all at once!
NO other animal does anything like that, the non-victims flee, they
don't counter-attack en masse instantly as we do!

thats just semantics - how you define "strong." Survival of the
fittest....not the strongest. Nevertheless Darwin did get many ideas
from prevailing economic theory. And I care not a jot about "social
darwinism" whatever that may be.
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The Group is always stonger/fitter than the individual. It took an
improvement in the brain to permit this to be utilized. A cooperating
group is more fit than the same number of individuals each for themself.


Okay ;-> The Wealthy only control what we LET them control. If a
Majority became fully aware of their power to stop LETTING them,
then they can change that overnight. The Majority can simply decide
the wealthy ownership of other's property is in abeyance, and it
will be so!


Alas, the majority are sheep.
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Except for that once in a while when they're not, otherwise we would
all still be serfs superintended in the fields by knights on > > horseback.


The ratio of foxes to sheep is quite small. Soma = TV
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Actually, everyone above the lowest-paid 50% is abusing the people
beneath them. They need to be frightened out of it by Majority Terror.

Aren't you in that category? I probably am at present, and income is
not nearly as skewed in Canada as it is in the US..

Tom

Also it depends how ruthless the minority
are, although annihilating all the serfs leaves only the masters to do
the shitty jobs.
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The ruthlessness factor is important only to the point where you cause
your serfs to become ruthless. Then you're a goner.

maybe. Israel/palestine looks exactly like this, but the wealthy,
well-armed Israelis can flatten the palestinians no matter how pissed
off the palestinians get - hence the almost 4:1 casualty rate, and the
israelis havent even got nasty. Can 10,000,000 angry serfs with sticks
beat one ruthless bastard with a nuke? nope.
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But nukes aren't useful for domestic squabnles. If you nuke your
slaves you'll have to go back to work!


I think the argument here is that, eventually, nasty rulers will give up
before they wipe out all the serfs. or their minions will decide that
the serfs are right, and help take out the dictator. Or perhaps the
dictator simply runs out of bullets.
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The serfs are so numerous that if they want, it won't take ten minutes.


But the likelihood is by the time you wipe out 1/2 the
serfs the rest will pretty much fall in line.
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There are not enough soldiers under a nobility who will be able to take
on a Majority, and any larger army has to be raised from those slaves
themselves! As in Russia, the kids in the tanks do not fire on their
parents!!

So far. Wait. Watch.

-Steve

only time can tell.

Cheers
Terry
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-Steve

 

[Tom MacIntyre]

On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 15:52:45 -0700, "Dennis M. O'Connor"
<dmoc@primenet.com> wrote:

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote ...
This is hilarious:

http://slate.msn.com/id/2109218/

Seems the Dems lost because America is populated by ignorant religious
inbred finatics.

I've noticed that the current attitude of the Dems is
"Anyone who disagrees with me is stupid and/or evil."
Yeah, that arrogance will win 'em new friends. NOT.

That was Bush's line after 9/11...Canada was among his "damned".

Tom

I begin to believe the party I've been registered to
for almost three decades is self-destructing in
an orgy of arrogance, envy and hatred.

 

[Tom MacIntyre]

On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 23:37:30 GMT, Rich The Philosophizer
<null@example.net> wrote:

On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 15:15:13 -0500, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 10:50:23 -0800, the renowned John Larkin
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 09:23:28 -0700, Jim Thompson
...
"It's a wonderful day in the neighborhood" ;-)

...Jim Thompson

And this is even funnier:

http://slate.msn.com/id/2109217/


John

What an idiotic stunt that was.

"The world will endure four more years of idiocy, arrogance and
unwarranted bloodshed, with no benevolent deity to watch over and save
us. John Wilkes Booth, Lee Harvey Oswald, John Hinckley Jr.—where are
you now that we need you?"

Would this be the first time a British newspaper has openly called for
the assassination of an American president?

Didn't Hinckley miss?

No...but he failed to assassinate.

Tom

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Clarence]

"Tom MacIntyre" <tom__macintyre@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:j93qo0potq5la8jb5tb56o5olsh8c5gu4j@4ax.com...

<snip>

Corporal punishment for my child is MY right, and MY decision, not
that of anyone else.

Tom

That was my stepfathers line, until I broke his nose!
His weapon of choice was a broom stick.
I just used my fist!

If you have to use corporal punishment, you are an unfit parent!

 

[Rich The Philosophizer]

On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 17:33:02 +0000, Tom MacIntyre wrote:

On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 08:03:14 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com
wrote:

Rich Grise wrote:

On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 08:41:59 +0000, R. Steve Walz wrote:

Terry Given wrote:

Tom MacIntyre wrote:

No, registration for the draft is mandatory, and only for men.
The draft itself is inactive. No one is being drafted NOW.
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YET!


But Kerry proposed mandatory service for all high school students.
And Democrat Rep. Charles Rangel of NY pushed a bill in Congress
for mandatory military service.
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That's ONLY because he KNOWS that if EVERYONE had to serve they would
never tolerate idiots taking us to cultural urban wars. They'd vote
to nuke our enemies instead, as we SHOULD be doing.

So, you really think the whole world should be destroyed?

I didn't know you were _that_ fanatical.

Thanks,
Rich
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It wouldn't take a quarter of our early air-burst nuclear tests to
turn Islam into a meaningless religion of a few impoverished bedouins.
We survived those pretty well.

-Steve

Collateral damage?

That's not what's stopping them. What is stopping them is that they

wouldn't be able to get the oil for many years.

Notwithstanding the evil of mass murder on such an incomprehensible
scale.

Thanks,
Rich