EAGLE Netlist conversion

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 22:30:20 GMT, Roy L. Fuchs
<roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote:

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 11:27:08 -0800, John Larkin
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On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 08:24:47 GMT, Roy L. Fuchs
roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote:

On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 21:54:36 -0600, "Tim Williams"
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"ian.field1" <ian.field1@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:imIQf.271$aA6.94@newsfe7-win.ntli.net...
While pollution is significant - so is the smoke, ash and minerals
blown into the air by volcanic eruptions. Not to mention the fact that
some
scientists claim that grazing animals produce nearly as much greenhouse
gas
as vehicles - and not to be outdone, one natural world documentary claimed
that termites are even worse!!! Who the hell do you believe these days?!

Don't forget that all plants produce methane. That was a recent Nature
article (12 Jan '06). They said it accounts for potentially 10-20% of
atmospheric methane.


Plants produce OXYGEN. Decaying, DEAD plants produce methane. We
refer to our dead plant piles as compost heaps or piles.

Sheesh.


No, there have been recent studied that show that living plants
release sizable amounts of methane too. It's been known for ages that
plants release hydrocarbons, which is why we have the "Smokey
Mountains."

Uhh.. Dude... that is water vapor! Most folks call it FOG. It is
related to dewpoint. I am from the Smokies and there is no fog due to
hydrocarbon release there. It's friggin water vapor... You know...
LOW LYING CLOUD.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4604332.stm


Ronald Reagan was right about a lot of stuff.


He was also wrong about a lot of "stuff".
And where does that blue haze come from?

...Jim Thompson
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On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 12:41:37 -0800, "Richard Henry" <rphenry@home.com
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On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 08:24:47 GMT, Roy L. Fuchs
roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote:

On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 21:54:36 -0600, "Tim Williams"
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"ian.field1" <ian.field1@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:imIQf.271$aA6.94@newsfe7-win.ntli.net...
While pollution is significant - so is the smoke, ash and
minerals
blown into the air by volcanic eruptions. Not to mention the fact
that
some
scientists claim that grazing animals produce nearly as much
greenhouse
gas
as vehicles - and not to be outdone, one natural world
documentary
claimed
that termites are even worse!!! Who the hell do you believe these
days?!

Don't forget that all plants produce methane. That was a recent
Nature
article (12 Jan '06). They said it accounts for potentially 10-20%
of
atmospheric methane.


Plants produce OXYGEN. Decaying, DEAD plants produce methane. We
refer to our dead plant piles as compost heaps or piles.

Sheesh.


No, there have been recent studied that show that living plants
release sizable amounts of methane too. It's been known for ages that
plants release hydrocarbons, which is why we have the "Smokey
Mountains."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4604332.stm


Ronald Reagan was right about a lot of stuff.

Was he right when he said "Approximately 80 percent of our air
pollution
stems from hydrocarbons released by vegetation."?

Bovine flatulence and subterranean fossil decay is likely a bigger
culprit.

Apparently bovine farts are a myth - cows have more than one gut and the
gasses reverse course rather than completing the journey to the back end!
Really? Some research:

http://www.darwinawards.com/legends/legends2000-06.html
 
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:40:52 -0700, Jim Thompson
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On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 22:30:20 GMT, Roy L. Fuchs
roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote:

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 11:27:08 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> Gave us:

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 08:24:47 GMT, Roy L. Fuchs
roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote:

On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 21:54:36 -0600, "Tim Williams"
tmoranwms@charter.net> Gave us:

"ian.field1" <ian.field1@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:imIQf.271$aA6.94@newsfe7-win.ntli.net...
While pollution is significant - so is the smoke, ash and minerals
blown into the air by volcanic eruptions. Not to mention the fact that
some
scientists claim that grazing animals produce nearly as much greenhouse
gas
as vehicles - and not to be outdone, one natural world documentary claimed
that termites are even worse!!! Who the hell do you believe these days?!

Don't forget that all plants produce methane. That was a recent Nature
article (12 Jan '06). They said it accounts for potentially 10-20% of
atmospheric methane.


Plants produce OXYGEN. Decaying, DEAD plants produce methane. We
refer to our dead plant piles as compost heaps or piles.

Sheesh.


No, there have been recent studied that show that living plants
release sizable amounts of methane too. It's been known for ages that
plants release hydrocarbons, which is why we have the "Smokey
Mountains."

Uhh.. Dude... that is water vapor! Most folks call it FOG. It is
related to dewpoint. I am from the Smokies and there is no fog due to
hydrocarbon release there. It's friggin water vapor... You know...
LOW LYING CLOUD.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4604332.stm


Ronald Reagan was right about a lot of stuff.


He was also wrong about a lot of "stuff".

And where does that blue haze come from?

...Jim Thompson

Did you run scandisk on those drives?

If so, is the problem persisting?
 
Bovine flatulence and subterranean fossil decay is likely a bigger
culprit.

Apparently bovine farts are a myth - cows have more than one gut and the
gasses reverse course rather than completing the journey to the back
end!

Really? Some research:

http://www.darwinawards.com/legends/legends2000-06.html


No research - it was mentioned on some documentary or other, but not to say
cows never fart just that most of the gas produced is belched!

What intrigues me is the claim that termites fart! One website shows a photo
of a fossilised termite in a block of amber with a stream of bubbles from
it's rear end. It probably suffocated quite quickly but carried on farting
until the hardening tree sap glued it's arse shut!

Maybe someone could test this by feeding a length of det-cord into a termite
mound and see if they can blow it up.............
 
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 22:30:20 GMT, Roy L. Fuchs
<roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote:

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 11:27:08 -0800, John Larkin

No, there have been recent studied that show that living plants
release sizable amounts of methane too. It's been known for ages that
plants release hydrocarbons, which is why we have the "Smokey
Mountains."

Uhh.. Dude... that is water vapor! Most folks call it FOG. It is
related to dewpoint. I am from the Smokies and there is no fog due to
hydrocarbon release there. It's friggin water vapor... You know...
LOW LYING CLOUD.

Here's my very first google hit on the subject:

http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/2000-10-14/travel.html

"Once the spectacle of sunset passed, the views of the valleys turned
grayish shades of blue in the evening haze. The Cherokee Indians
called the Smokies "Shanconage," or place of blue smoke. The almost
ever-present haze is created by a combination of evaporation and
transpiration; the forest exhales terpenes, or hydrocarbon molecules,
from oils in the plants."

and there are lots more.

John
 
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 18:14:45 -0700, Jim Thompson
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On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 17:45:30 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 00:20:43 GMT, Roy L. Fuchs
roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote:

[snip]

One way to rule out the OS is to DL a copy of Knoppix Live CD from
kernel.org mirror (typically the fastest in the US).

Boot that, it has a comprehensive system test and detection routine.
If there is a memory issue, it WILL find it.

[snip]

Where is Knoppix Live "CD"

All I could spot was DVD.

...Jim Thompson
I started here, but forget these first two, I found the direct link at
the bottom of this post.

http://www.knoppix.org/

Then of course, select the english/brit icon.

Then at the top of the page is the "mirrors" selection

kernel.org is pretty far down the list.

Ah hell... forget that... here:

ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/dist/knoppix/

There is a 4.0 CD

The link to that is:

ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/dist/knoppix/KNOPPIX_V4.0.2CD-2005-09-23-EN.iso

Which is really the only link you need. (I don't know why I didn't
kill the others.)
 
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 21:53:11 -0600, "James T. White"
<SPAMjtwhiteGUARD@hal-pc.org> wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote
in message news:jic91211248ktkpuih1mnviqd2klcvnpnp@4ax.com
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 23:23:12 GMT, Roy L. Fuchs
roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote:

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:40:52 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> Gave us:

[snip]

And where does that blue haze come from?

...Jim Thompson


Did you run scandisk on those drives?

If so, is the problem persisting?

Replaced PSU, no change other than "floppy presence check" was louder,
so I left it in.

Changed RAM. Fixed MOST of the problems.

BUT! I still have a weirdness. I can "see" other machines on the
network and they can "see" me. But any attempt to copy across the
network to/from "bad" machine causes it to reboot.

So I still have an issue.

Other symptoms:

"Searching" the drive causes it to lock up.

But I can surf the internet.

OS is Win2K... where is "scandisk" hidden away? I can't find anything
by that name.


Jim,

Have you tried swapping the network card? I have seen fnetwork cards go
flakey and cause hang-ups and re-boots like you describe.
I'm wondering that myself.

BUT, this is a cheapy on-mother-board network adapter :-(

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

It's what you learn, after you know it all, that counts.
 
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 07:48:18 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 21:53:11 -0600, "James T. White"
"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 23:23:12 GMT, Roy L. Fuchs

Did you run scandisk on those drives?

If so, is the problem persisting?

Replaced PSU, no change other than "floppy presence check" was louder,
so I left it in.

Changed RAM. Fixed MOST of the problems.

BUT! I still have a weirdness. I can "see" other machines on the
network and they can "see" me. But any attempt to copy across the
network to/from "bad" machine causes it to reboot.

So I still have an issue.

Other symptoms:

"Searching" the drive causes it to lock up.

But I can surf the internet.

OS is Win2K... where is "scandisk" hidden away? I can't find anything
by that name.


Jim,

Have you tried swapping the network card? I have seen fnetwork cards go
flakey and cause hang-ups and re-boots like you describe.

I'm wondering that myself.

BUT, this is a cheapy on-mother-board network adapter :-(
OK, I was going to just let you stew in your juices, and play with Roy and
Fred for awhile, but I'm not that kind of jerk.

Go to Control Panel/System/Device Manager, right-click your LAN adapter,
click "properties", and un-check "let network adapter wake up computer"
or something like that.

Good Luck!
Rich
 
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:44:44 GMT, Rich Grise <richgrise@example.net>
Gave us:

On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 07:48:18 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 21:53:11 -0600, "James T. White"
"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 23:23:12 GMT, Roy L. Fuchs

Did you run scandisk on those drives?

If so, is the problem persisting?

Replaced PSU, no change other than "floppy presence check" was louder,
so I left it in.

Changed RAM. Fixed MOST of the problems.

BUT! I still have a weirdness. I can "see" other machines on the
network and they can "see" me. But any attempt to copy across the
network to/from "bad" machine causes it to reboot.

So I still have an issue.

Other symptoms:

"Searching" the drive causes it to lock up.

But I can surf the internet.

OS is Win2K... where is "scandisk" hidden away? I can't find anything
by that name.


Jim,

Have you tried swapping the network card? I have seen fnetwork cards go
flakey and cause hang-ups and re-boots like you describe.

I'm wondering that myself.

BUT, this is a cheapy on-mother-board network adapter :-(


OK, I was going to just let you stew in your juices, and play with Roy and
Fred for awhile, but I'm not that kind of jerk.

Go to Control Panel/System/Device Manager, right-click your LAN adapter,
click "properties", and un-check "let network adapter wake up computer"
or something like that.

Good Luck!
Rich

You're an idiot, or something like that... maybe RETARD!
 
On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 09:23:13 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

Woke up two hours ago to RAIN! It's still coming down nice and
steady!

Hallelujah!

It last rained 142 days ago.

...Jim Thompson
Whats rain?

(South East Queensland here).
 
On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:00:47 +1000, The Real Andy
<will_get_back_to_you_on_This@> Gave us:

On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 09:23:13 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

Woke up two hours ago to RAIN! It's still coming down nice and
steady!

Hallelujah!

It last rained 142 days ago.

...Jim Thompson

Whats rain?

(South East Queensland here).

That's that stuff you guys see falling every now and then, but you
never see it make it to the ground. :-]

What is your annual rainfall down there.
 
Jim Thompson wrote:
Fighting my way thru the annoyances introduced in XP...

In Windows Explorer, in Win2K, in a directory "details" view, I see
the actual tiny icons associated with each file type.

In WinXP I only see one of Billy's crap shapes.

How do I get to a Win2K view?

Thanks!

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
Click View, then click Details?
 
On 16 Mar 2006 08:14:06 -0800, onehappymadman@yahoo.com wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
Fighting my way thru the annoyances introduced in XP...

In Windows Explorer, in Win2K, in a directory "details" view, I see
the actual tiny icons associated with each file type.

In WinXP I only see one of Billy's crap shapes.

How do I get to a Win2K view?

Thanks!

...Jim Thompson

Click View, then click Details?
Did that, get a standard details list EXCEPT the icon thumbnails are
not right.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 22:42:10 -0500, the renowned mike monett wrote:

Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:37:13 -0500, the renowned mike monett wrote:



That's what I'm talking about. Google has some way of extracting text from
scanned pdf files. They give a sentence or two containing your search terms
so you can see if you want to download the file. When you get it
downloaded, it is generally much larger than normal, and the text selection
tool won't work. It's a scanned image.

Try *search* on such a file. I'll bet you'll find that the scanned
image is overlayed over an uncorrected OCR file created by Adobe
Capture. I don't think it's anything to do with Google.


Darn it, Speff, can't you wait til I get my chores done:)

I mentioned searching these files for text strings doesn't work. It tries
but quits instantly with no results.

Looking for an example, I tried searching google for a pdf article that I
downloaded long ago: Elaine Balliew, "The Challenge of Testing ADSL
Modems", Evaluation Engineering, October 1998. The copy I have is
definitely scanned with no text at all. Unfortunately, the only copy left
on the web is a text version stripped of all images. (Not that they were
that important.)

http://www.evaluationengineering.com/archive/articles/1098adsl.htm

So I'll never know why I downloaded the article - whether it was her wit
and charm, or the results of a google search, or if it was simply linked in
another long lost article:)

Anyway, I should never use google until all the dishes are washed and
everything is put away. it is simply too easy to get lost in very
interesting pages that you never seem to hit when you have lots of time to
spend.
Tell me about it. I was trying to solve the mystery of a menu item on
a Chinese menu, and ended up in a maze of different versions
(Mandarin, Khmer, Vietnamese, English) of an apparently *very* popular
and extremely sappy love song. Now I can't get the tune out of my
head... wo3 ai4 ni3, ai4 zhe4 ni3, jiu4 xiang4 lao3 shu3 ai4 da4
mi3... and I still don't know what the food item is (possibly whatever
they wanted it to be). The Chinese google (baidu.com) is interesting.

Regards,

Mike Monett

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com
 
Doug,
If you are seriously interested, try gaining access to their Altium
support forum. I have the new tools but we haven't deployed them yet and
even then we don't do use their simulation tools (I do not know historically
why that is, but probably an issue going back to the day that the decision
was made).

If you can't easily gain access, contact them via email and I am sure
they will allow you access as a potential customer wanting to research the
state of the package. The forum can be searched and the other tool you could
try would be searching their "Knowledge Base" for relevant information. I
would also go through their user guides (there are a large number of them on
the website), their multimedia demos and even their white papers.

I used PADs for years and found it very usable in it's day. However that
day was back in the early to mid 90s and the package is still stuck there. I
agree that for today's market it is very "clunky". It can also get very
expensive when you start wanting any advanced features because you end up
having to buy so many additional high end modules in order to get the
features you actually want.

--
Sincerely,
Brad Velander.

"pcbdoug" <doug.hunter@medallionis.com> wrote in message
news:1142527261.157427.65140@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
I am trying to evaluate some of the lower-end PCB design packages to
select
one for use in my workplace. So far, Altium is looking pretty good.
From what
I see on their website, they seem heavily oriented toward FPGA issues,
whereas
we are doing much simpler schematic/simulation/PCB design. Would it
still be
good for this, or expensive overkill?
 
Doug,

I use both Protel and Pcad from Altium and like either one. Each one has
it's own plus's and minus's. Protel is good if you want all packages in one
including FPGAs. Pcad takes a different approach and keeps each application
independent. You can order demos of each and try them as well.


"pcbdoug" <doug.hunter@medallionis.com> wrote in message
news:1142527261.157427.65140@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
I am trying to evaluate some of the lower-end PCB design packages to
select
one for use in my workplace. So far, Altium is looking pretty good.
From what
I see on their website, they seem heavily oriented toward FPGA issues,
whereas
we are doing much simpler schematic/simulation/PCB design. Would it
still be
good for this, or expensive overkill? My only other experience with
lower-end
packages is with PADS (which I find a bit clunky) and OrCAD (I can't
stand
using it for PCB layout, takes forever, schematic is OK). I still need
to look
at P-CAD. After years of using Mentor and Cadence before that, it's
hard to
step down to less powerful packages, so I'd appreciate any advice I
could
get about the Altium software. Thanks.
 
In article <njhvq2tmt23mq5regt595h3c8adbgukqm8@4ax.com>, qrk <SpamTrap@spam.net> wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:02:45 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

What brand would lurkers here recommend for a USB back-up drive?

...Jim Thompson

I have been using a 40GB version of this. Just USB but neat.
Fits into shirt pocket. Smart disk Firelight

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.
asp?EdpNo=1209537&CatId=2424
greg

I've been using Maxtor and a homebrew version. Both are Firewire.
They're turned off unless I need to backup. I've been avoiding Maxtor
drives since they had problems a few years back. One thing I don't
like about my Maxtor external drive: they have some hidden info on the
drive that prevents you from installing a generic drive in their
enclosure. A real hassle when you need to get info off an old drive in
the closet or replace a busted drive. I don't know if other external
drive makers do the same.

I like DYI external drives.
http://www.firewiredirect.com/product/178/
Cost about $60 for the enclosure. Add $$ for a drive you stick in
there <http://www.newegg.com/>. I've been using Samsung hard drives
for the past couple years, however, there are other drives that fairly
reliable, quiet, and run cool.

I usually end up modifying external drive cases to improve air flow.
Knock out parts of the grill at the fan exhaust and drill a few extra
holes in the front panel. That has dropped internal temp by 10 to 20
deg.

On a last note, I've just started playing with SyncToy
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/digitalphotography/prophoto/synctoy.ms
px
Allows you to backup or sync two directories. It's free. You create
backup "jobs". Sort of a GUI version of RoboCopy, but much easier to
use.

---
Mark
 
In article <eooo5v$7h5$1@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, szekeres@pitt.edu (GregS) wrote:
In article <njhvq2tmt23mq5regt595h3c8adbgukqm8@4ax.com>, qrk
SpamTrap@spam.net> wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:02:45 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

What brand would lurkers here recommend for a USB back-up drive?

...Jim Thompson


I have been using a 40GB version of this. Just USB but neat.
Fits into shirt pocket. Smart disk Firelight

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.
asp?EdpNo=1209537&CatId=2424
I guess the price goes down, more GB

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.
asp?EdpNo=2145266&CatId=2424

Ah here it is...
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.
asp?EdpNo=637695&CatId=2424




greg

I've been using Maxtor and a homebrew version. Both are Firewire.
They're turned off unless I need to backup. I've been avoiding Maxtor
drives since they had problems a few years back. One thing I don't
like about my Maxtor external drive: they have some hidden info on the
drive that prevents you from installing a generic drive in their
enclosure. A real hassle when you need to get info off an old drive in
the closet or replace a busted drive. I don't know if other external
drive makers do the same.

I like DYI external drives.
http://www.firewiredirect.com/product/178/
Cost about $60 for the enclosure. Add $$ for a drive you stick in
there <http://www.newegg.com/>. I've been using Samsung hard drives
for the past couple years, however, there are other drives that fairly
reliable, quiet, and run cool.

I usually end up modifying external drive cases to improve air flow.
Knock out parts of the grill at the fan exhaust and drill a few extra
holes in the front panel. That has dropped internal temp by 10 to 20
deg.

On a last note, I've just started playing with SyncToy
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/digitalphotography/prophoto/synctoy.m
s
px
Allows you to backup or sync two directories. It's free. You create
backup "jobs". Sort of a GUI version of RoboCopy, but much easier to
use.

---
Mark
 
Joerg wrote:
Hmm, wonder why that is. No such limits when two PCs are accessing each
other's hard drives over the LAN.

It is a limitation of the OS itself. It sees USB drives the same way
it sees IDE or SCSI drives, and limits you to one type of file system.
The LAN uses networking protocols, and the drive type is transparent
because the computer converts the data before sending, and after
receiving. If it wasn't, the internet and most other networks wouldn't
work, unless every computer was the same OS.

I have a pair of "Mad Dog Multimedia MD-AEN350USB2 USB2.0 USB drive
enclosure" that I use to work on computers On has a FAT32 drive, the
other has a NTFS drive. The computers don't recognize it if you use the
wrong file type.

They were about $25 each, and have used 30 to 40 GB drives in them
that I had salvaged from a pair of dead computers.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
 
rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> writes:
I tried using this and it crashes when I try to open a Gerber or XYRS
file. Is there a forum for support?
gerbv uses the geda-user mailing list: http://www.geda.seul.org/mailinglist/
 

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