dvd ripping

[Trevor Wilson]

"kreed" <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 28, 10:45 pm, terryc <newssixspam-s...@woa.com.au> wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:33:10 +0000, Jasen Betts wrote:
Ammonium nitrate is also a dual-use product, buth those in power are
suffificently scared by it'd sencondary use to control its
distribution.

Lol, stand by for a character check at the supermarket when you want to
buy hydrogen peroxide. it did after all sink the Kurst(sp?) and was used
by the London bombers.

As
I remember, (Hydrogen) peroxide was also used as rocket fuel.

**It still is. The space shuttle is partially powered by H2 on take off
(with the assistance of solid fuel rockets). When performing orbital
manoeuvres, H2 (and O2) is used exclusively.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[kreed]

On Jul 28, 10:45 pm, terryc <newssixspam-s...@woa.com.au> wrote:

On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:33:10 +0000, Jasen Betts wrote:
Ammonium nitrate is also a dual-use product, buth those in power are
suffificently scared by it'd sencondary use to control its distribution.

Lol, stand by for a character check at the supermarket when you want to
buy hydrogen peroxide. it did after all sink the Kurst(sp?) and was used
by the London bombers.

As
I remember, (Hydrogen) peroxide was also used as rocket fuel.

 

[geoff]

-=Spudley=- wrote:

"geoff" <geoff@nospam-paf.co.nz> wrote in message

If the author wanted it to be easily copied they wouldn't have
encrypted the DVD in the first place, then any nong could just copy
it.

Might want to omit various sections.

What jurisdictions would it be that allows duplicating copyrighted
DVD's?

The same ones that alow software to do exactly that. "backup' is one
scenario.

More than likely

'More than likely' can be a justification for all sorts of impingement on
rights.

he's wanting to rip copyrighted material and
has done so in the past and is now looking for a better alternative,
probably due to his current setup not cutting it any more and that's
why he asking around. "Which dvd ripping software does anyone use,
and how good is it?"... It's not rocket science geoffy to come to
that conclusion

So my rocket scientist qualifications were a waste of effort then ;-(

geoff

 

[-=Spudley=-]

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-=Spudley=- wrote:
"geoff" <geoff@nospam-paf.co.nz> wrote in message

If the author wanted it to be easily copied they wouldn't have
encrypted the DVD in the first place, then any nong could just copy
it.

Might want to omit various sections.

What jurisdictions would it be that allows duplicating copyrighted
DVD's?

The same ones that alow software to do exactly that. "backup' is one
scenario.

More than likely

'More than likely' can be a justification for all sorts of impingement on
rights.

It's also a great justification for prevention of impingement of someone
else's rights.
As is interpreting the tone of someone's voice or the mannerisms they
display under cross examination.

he's wanting to rip copyrighted material and
has done so in the past and is now looking for a better alternative,
probably due to his current setup not cutting it any more and that's
why he asking around. "Which dvd ripping software does anyone use,
and how good is it?"... It's not rocket science geoffy to come to
that conclusion


So my rocket scientist qualifications were a waste of effort then ;-(

As should be the practice of assisting someone in a potentially illegal
activity of copying copyrighted material by supplying them answers that
could allow them to easily do so.

I'm sure that most companies that manufacture copyrighted software will
supply a replacement for damaged DVD's of their product at a nominal/minimal
charge.

Those companies that would allow you to backup a DVD would not protect the
DVD in such a manner as to prevent it from being copied, thus making DVD
copying programs that are designed to circumvent copy protection
un-necessary and not within the scope of the OP's request.


I have such DVD's myself, and the programs, music and videos on them are not
protected and can easily be copied to any other media, they are protected by
product codes and serial numbers alone, so no special software is required
to decrypt the DVD, thus making special copyright circumventing software
un-necessary as I stated before, but I'm sure this is not the sort of thing
the OP's intends it for when he's asking such a question as "Which dvd
ripping software does anyone use, and how good is it?"

geoff

 

[geoff]

-=Spudley=- wrote:

As should be the practice of assisting someone in a potentially
illegal activity of copying copyrighted material by supplying them
answers that could allow them to easily do so.

I'm sure that most companies that manufacture copyrighted software
will supply a replacement for damaged DVD's of their product at a
nominal/minimal charge.

Hope you never sell an axe to spomebody then.

Those companies that would allow you to backup a DVD would not
protect the DVD in such a manner as to prevent it from being copied,
thus making DVD copying programs that are designed to circumvent copy
protection un-necessary and not within the scope of the OP's request.

Not the point. And it's not the 'companies' who decide a country's 'fair
use' copyright laws.

So why are the applications allowed to exist, be marketed, and sold ?

geoff

 

[-=Spudley=-]

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-=Spudley=- wrote:
As should be the practice of assisting someone in a potentially
illegal activity of copying copyrighted material by supplying them
answers that could allow them to easily do so.

I'm sure that most companies that manufacture copyrighted software
will supply a replacement for damaged DVD's of their product at a
nominal/minimal charge.

Hope you never sell an axe to spomebody then.

Why would I?

Those companies that would allow you to backup a DVD would not
protect the DVD in such a manner as to prevent it from being copied,
thus making DVD copying programs that are designed to circumvent copy
protection un-necessary and not within the scope of the OP's request.


Not the point. And it's not the 'companies' who decide a country's 'fair
use' copyright laws.

So why are the applications allowed to exist, be marketed, and sold ?

So are you saying that because these applications exist, are marketed and
sold, that it condones the copying of copyrighted material and it condones
the advertising of same and the requesting of information pertaining to same
on Forums such as this?

My point from the beginning is, that it is unlawful to copy copyrighted
material.
You said "bullshit", well you are wrong, because it is unlawful to copy
copyrighted material without the permission of the copyright holder.

geoff

 

[Mr.T]

-=Spudley=- wrote:
I'm sure that most companies that manufacture copyrighted software
will supply a replacement for damaged DVD's of their product at a
nominal/minimal charge.

You've obviosly never tried getting a replacement for a faulty DVD movie
then. Even when it's a manufacturing fault like disk rot, rather than
careless handling, you won't get a free/cheap replacement without a good
lawyer, or at least a shop willing to take the loss themselves to keep your
future business.

MrT.

 

[Den]

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-=Spudley=- wrote:
I'm sure that most companies that manufacture copyrighted software
will supply a replacement for damaged DVD's of their product at a
nominal/minimal charge.

You've obviosly never tried getting a replacement for a faulty DVD movie
then. Even when it's a manufacturing fault like disk rot, rather than
careless handling, you won't get a free/cheap replacement without a good
lawyer, or at least a shop willing to take the loss themselves to keep
your
future business.

MrT.

.......and all those f'ing expensive pc/xbox gamest that the kids scratch
up...there goes another $100.......

 

[Jasen Betts]

On 2008-07-29, Trevor Wilson <trevor@_SPAMBLOCK_rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

"kreed" <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 28, 10:45 pm, terryc <newssixspam-s...@woa.com.au> wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:33:10 +0000, Jasen Betts wrote:
Ammonium nitrate is also a dual-use product, buth those in power are
suffificently scared by it'd sencondary use to control its
distribution.

Lol, stand by for a character check at the supermarket when you want to
buy hydrogen peroxide. it did after all sink the Kurst(sp?) and was used
by the London bombers.

As
I remember, (Hydrogen) peroxide was also used as rocket fuel.

**It still is. The space shuttle is partially powered by H2 on take off
(with the assistance of solid fuel rockets). When performing orbital
manoeuvres, H2 (and O2) is used exclusively.

Hydrogen peroxide is not used by the shuttle, it uses hydrogen+oxgen
for the main engine, solid boosters, and IIRC anhydrous hydrazine for
the manouvering jets.

The kursk wasn't the only sub to be sunk by its own hydrogen peroxide
fueled torpedo, there was a brittish one too. (the HMS Sidon 1n 1955)

I don't think consumer grade (15%) peroxide has explosive potential

Bye.
Jasen

 

[-=Spudley=-]

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-=Spudley=- wrote:
I'm sure that most companies that manufacture copyrighted software
will supply a replacement for damaged DVD's of their product at a
nominal/minimal charge.

You've obviosly never tried getting a replacement for a faulty DVD movie
then. Even when it's a manufacturing fault like disk rot, rather than
careless handling, you won't get a free/cheap replacement without a good
lawyer, or at least a shop willing to take the loss themselves to keep
your
future business.

MrT.




......and all those f'ing expensive pc/xbox gamest that the kids scratch
up...there goes another $100.......

Buy them from EB with their $5.00 insurance and you'll have no problem
getting them replaced.

Why should the seller replace the damaged DVD's that your kids have
scratched up anyway?
The onus is on the purchaser not the seller, to keep them in good working
order. If you've got duff handed kids that don't give a stuff about their
games then that's your problem, no one else's.

 

[-=Spudley=-]

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-=Spudley=- wrote:
I'm sure that most companies that manufacture copyrighted software
will supply a replacement for damaged DVD's of their product at a
nominal/minimal charge.

You've obviosly never tried getting a replacement for a faulty DVD movie
then. Even when it's a manufacturing fault like disk rot, rather than
careless handling, you won't get a free/cheap replacement without a good
lawyer, or at least a shop willing to take the loss themselves to keep
your
future business.

You're right, I've never purchased a faulty Movie DVD so the situation has
not arisen for me.
I have purchased DVD games from EB and paid the insurance, taken them home
and discovered some defect and had them replaced without so much as a
whimper from them.
Perhaps you could consult the seller prior to purchase as to their warranty
and or seek to purchase only from those who will provide a replacement if
defective sale.

MrT.

 

[geoff]

-=Spudley=- wrote:

My point from the beginning is, that it is unlawful to copy
copyrighted material.
You said "bullshit", well you are wrong, because it is unlawful to
copy copyrighted material without the permission of the copyright
holder.

The 'copyrighted' ascertion was entirely yours.

geoff

 

[Den]

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-=Spudley=- wrote:
I'm sure that most companies that manufacture copyrighted software
will supply a replacement for damaged DVD's of their product at a
nominal/minimal charge.

You've obviosly never tried getting a replacement for a faulty DVD movie
then. Even when it's a manufacturing fault like disk rot, rather than
careless handling, you won't get a free/cheap replacement without a good
lawyer, or at least a shop willing to take the loss themselves to keep
your
future business.

MrT.




......and all those f'ing expensive pc/xbox gamest that the kids scratch
up...there goes another $100.......


Buy them from EB with their $5.00 insurance and you'll have no problem
getting them replaced.

Why should the seller replace the damaged DVD's that your kids have
scratched up anyway?

Who said anything about that????? Making backup copies is what this is
about.

The onus is on the purchaser not the seller, to keep them in good working
order. If you've got duff handed kids that don't give a stuff about their
games then that's your problem, no one else's.

I think you take a "hands on" approach to life......

 

[Mr.T]

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You've obviosly never tried getting a replacement for a faulty DVD
movie
then. Even when it's a manufacturing fault like disk rot, rather than
careless handling, you won't get a free/cheap replacement without a
good
lawyer, or at least a shop willing to take the loss themselves to keep
your future business.

The onus is on the purchaser not the seller, to keep them in good working
order.

But how do you protect against disk rot and other manufacturing faults?
And what about CD's that DELIBERATELY introduce errors as a copyright
scheme.?
Those manufacturers should be shot IMO. I have a CD that I could only make
playable on a number of CD players, by copying it to CDR.
So much for the copy protection scam

MrT.

 

[-=Spudley=-]

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-=Spudley=- wrote:
My point from the beginning is, that it is unlawful to copy
copyrighted material.
You said "bullshit", well you are wrong, because it is unlawful to
copy copyrighted material without the permission of the copyright
holder.


The 'copyrighted' ascertion was entirely yours.

The leading question by the OP made it so and it still stands.

geoff

 

[kreed]

On Jul 31, 1:10 pm, "Mr.T" <MrT@home> wrote:

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You've obviosly never tried getting a replacement for a faulty DVD
movie
then. Even when it's a manufacturing fault like disk rot, rather than
careless handling, you won't get a free/cheap replacement without a
good
lawyer, or at least a shop willing to take the loss themselves to keep
your future business.

The onus is on the purchaser not the seller, to keep them in good working
order.

Wank, Wank.
There is a theoretical world, in which everything is perfect, and
there is a real world.
Maybe you need to step into the real one ?

Maybe you need to troll forums for sporting shooters or gun
collectors, and flame every weapon
related poster as "someone planning or assisting a murder" or "illegal
arms dealer"

--------------------------------------------------

But how do you protect against disk rot and other manufacturing faults?
And what about CD's that DELIBERATELY introduce errors as a copyright
scheme.?
Those manufacturers should be shot IMO. I have a CD that I could only make
playable on a number of CD players, by copying it to CDR.
So much for the copy protection scam

MrT.

Simple fact is that "copy protection" schemes so far seem to only
cause problems for legitimate users, and in most cases the cure is to
end up copying the bloody thing to make it work properly !!

DVD and game console "region" crap is another example (and bypassing
it is legal now anyway)
The sony CD "rootkit" rubbish is a shining example.

Meanwhile, only minor inconvenience seems to be caused to those who
are blatantly pirating the thing !

 

[-=Spudley=-]

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"-=Spudley=-" <-=Spudley=-@work.com> wrote in message
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You've obviosly never tried getting a replacement for a faulty DVD
movie
then. Even when it's a manufacturing fault like disk rot, rather than
careless handling, you won't get a free/cheap replacement without a
good
lawyer, or at least a shop willing to take the loss themselves to
keep
your future business.

The onus is on the purchaser not the seller, to keep them in good
working
order.

But how do you protect against disk rot and other manufacturing faults?

By providing a service that supplies a replacement for such defective discs
at a nominal charge or replacement under warranty if it is so deemed
Only buy them under this condition and it will force the manufacturer to
provide such a service if it does not already exist.

And what about CD's that DELIBERATELY introduce errors as a copyright
scheme.?
Those manufacturers should be shot IMO. I have a CD that I could only make
playable on a number of CD players, by copying it to CDR.
So much for the copy protection scam

MrT.

 

[geoff]

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-=Spudley=- wrote:
My point from the beginning is, that it is unlawful to copy
copyrighted material.
You said "bullshit", well you are wrong, because it is unlawful to
copy copyrighted material without the permission of the copyright
holder.


The 'copyrighted' ascertion was entirely yours.


The leading question by the OP made it so and it still stands.

geoff

Well you are obviously unable to objectively look at issues and unable to
resist having the last word. So I'll let you make your erroneous assertion
once more and leave you with it so can can be happy that you've have 'won'.

geoff

 

[mark krawczuk]

what spudly and you dont rip dvd`s ??? crap udont.
u never done anything shhhhh!!!

so whats gonna happen if i, in my own home copy a dvd , so that my
original dont get damaged ??
beleive it or not , i have A LOT of old / hard to get dvds , i copied
them , so that i dont have to go thru the unbeleiviable amount of hassel to
get them again.



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Which dvd ripping software does anyone use, and how good is it?


It would be unlawful to rip DVD's.

Bullshit.

geoff

Bullshit to your Bullshit geoff.
It's quite obvious he wants it for ripping copyright DVD's

Bullshit to your bullshit double.


Ner Ner, geoffy


That is YOUR assumption that he wants to copy copyrighted DVDs. There
are many legitimate scenarios for wanting to rip audio/video/whatever off
DVDs that are NOT copyrighted material. And in some jurisdictions even
duplicating a copyrighted DVD is permissable for some purposes.


If the author wanted it to be easily copied they wouldn't have encrypted
the DVD in the first place, then any nong could just copy it.
What jurisdictions would it be that allows duplicating copyrighted DVD's?
More than likely he's wanting to rip copyrighted material and has done so
in the past and is now looking for a better alternative, probably due to
his current setup not cutting it any more and that's why he asking around.
"Which dvd ripping software does anyone use, and how good is it?"... It's
not rocket science geoffy to come to that conclusion




geoff

 

[mark krawczuk]

border security is crap , i worked with them for 7 months , and the AMOUNT
of stuff customs took home that werent " allowed " into australia, and the
amount of illegal stuff customs officers themselves got thru that no one
else couldnt , you got no idea at all. yeah , they show on tv , " look we
are burning all the illegalstuff" yeah , right , one load out of 100 , and
that sif that load was prohibited customs , and not just refuse.


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Which dvd ripping software does anyone use, and how good is it?

**DVD Fab is excellent.

Caution: Do not use this software for ripping copyright DVDs, as this
would be illegal. It works very well with non-copyright disks. I have
no
idea if it works with copyright disks, as to do so would be illegal.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

So load DVD 43, and that takes care of the encryption, then it's a
simply matter of using "Shrink" or "Nero"

**I don't know DVD 43. I do know Shrink. DVD Fab can copy disks that fail
to
copy with DVD Shrink.



As for being illegal to copy a DVD, Why then do they allow blanks to
be
sold, openly. And recorders, copiers are also readily available, Which
indecently have been cleared by Customs, at the point of importation.

**Those blanks and recorders are for copying non-copyright material. You
will quickly realise this fact, if you try to copy most copyright
material
with such machines. The disks can used in a multitude of machines. The
manufacturers are not responsible for their (mis)use.



Simplified, what your attempting to say is, it's perfectly legal to buy
a
new Bluray recorder, and a supply of blank disc's, but your infringing
the copyright laws if you use the bloody thing.

**No. You're infingining copyright laws, if you copy copyright material.
You
can copy non-copyright material all day long quite legally.


And that's the difference between the normal user and the coping
factory
with a couple of hundred disc writers, and a screen printer,
churning
out thousands of copies of whatever movie you want and sold at a big
discount, down the local pub, or on a market.

I ordered some DVD's the other week via Australian E-bay, the
sellers
address was somewhere in the UK, and the DVD's arrived via Minske,
Belarus. They arrived here quite legally with a Customs clearance,
[green
sticker] and where quite obversely boot-leg copies. But no one
seems
to care, So why should anyone worry about people making there own
copies.

**Sometime, someone will care. You may end up in big trouble. Or not. It
depends on the customs people. I've been dragged down to airport customs.
They wanted me to pay duty. Naturally, the material I was importing
attracted no duty (and they knew damned well that was the case). They
were
simply trying to gather extra revenue. I waited while one consulted his
books and off I toddled, without paying a cent. Nevertheless, it was
inconvenient. One day, it will happen to you too. Only it may not end
happily for you. Copyright infringements are viewed seriously.

--
Trevor Wilsonwww.rageaudio.com.au


It's definitely illegal to copy copyrighted DVD's, CD's, vinyl
Records, films, photos, Tapes, VHS, books, sheet music etc without
permission from the copyright owner, and regardless of your experience
so far with importing bootleg DVD's, you should be aware of this fact.
As Trevor says, you might get away with these imports most of the
time, but don't count on it, and if you start bringing in commercial
quantities, or regular imports you run a higher risk of attracting
attention. Maybe you need to watch "border security" to see what
people get up to in customs and how they get caught. (of course, we
don't know how many slip through)

You would find that in the real world (probably including customs
staff !) most people do it for their own use, to give to friends, make
a back-up copy etc. I don't think many people in the real world have a
problem with that, considering for a decade illegal downloads of just
about any movie/music/software you can think of seem to be readily
available, and still thriving in spite of all the efforts by the music
industry to stop them. With the economic climate as it is heading, I
would expect illegal copying/sharing to only increase, and for mr. and
mrs. average, not worthwhile to sue for damages, as getting money
from most people who are in debt to their eyeballs already will more
and more become like extracting blood from a stone if push came to
shove.

Eastern Europe (where you got these discs from) isn't particularly
worried about these sort of things, they have other issues to deal
with. When last in Moscow, they openly sold copies of almost
everything you can think of for a few $$. Some were excellent quality
however, and while most on obviously burnt discs, more and more were
starting to appear on genuine looking silver discs.

Burning and selling quantities of the discs at markets or on Ebay /
internet is another matter entirely, would be extremely risky and I
don't think you would evade the law for long. The way this ridiculous
legal system is going, you would probably get a stiffer sentence for a
matter like that than a real crime like bashing someone, or (a real)
robbery.

To get back to the real question asked originally, I dont know what
you would use to copy movie DVD's as so far I haven't had to. I do
recall hearing of people using DVD shrink and AVS video converter for
the purpose however.