DSE Q1803 $128 CRO

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Phil Allison

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Hi to all,

Picked up one of these 10MHz, single beam CROs from my local DSE store last
Tuesday - there were none on display and the staff seemed unaware of its
existence. The unit comes in a carry box, well packed with IEC mains lead,
10:1 probe and small handbook written by DSE staff.

Using a bench sine/ square generator and frequency counter when back at
home, I found my unit met published accuracy specs - time base speeds
being particularly accurate.

The *green* trace on the 75m dia tube face is particularly sharp and
geometry is very good all over the (external) graticule.
The vertical and horizontal positioning pots allow the pattern to be moved
right off the screen without visible limiting - so the deflection
amplifiers have adequate headroom.

The internal (Y) synch appears to function well as does the external and
LINE synch inputs. There is an X-Y mode that works fine too. There is no
"trace rotate " control, but two screws on the rear can be loosened to
allow the tube and hence trace to be lined up with the graticule OK.

Now for the insides:
-----------------------

With the vinyl coated steel sleeve slid off, there is a nice surprise.
This little CRO is *very* well made - reminiscent of the way Aussie firm
BWD built their famous CROs.

There are no SMD, all parts are "garden variety" - ie TO92 pack
transistors, TO220 regulators, a couple of fets and 3 bog standard ICs.
There is one large PCB for the PSU, deflection and synch circuits while a
smaller one at the front covers the vertical attenuator, input pre-amp and
time base circuitry.

Both sides of these (single sided, through hole) PCBs are fully accessible
for servicing !

A very neat, 20 VA, R-core transformer powers the CRO with a ferrite HF
inverter supplying 1200 volt DC to the tube. All internal voltages remain
regulated down to 200 volts AC input.

The 75mm tube is covered in a black, very snug fitting, full length
MAGNETIC SHIELD !! This is practically unheard of in a low cost CRO and
means the unit can be used, without annoying trace jitter, quite close to AC
power transformers used by other items on the bench or the equipment under
test.

The AC current draw was only 84mA rms ( 20 VA ) - so operation from a
small 12volt / 240 volt inverter supply is possible.

One anomaly I found - the CRO comes fitted with a 0.75 amp AC fuse. The
DSE handbook and the back label on the CRO both say this is the intended
value - which is nonsense since it offers no protection for the 20 VA
transformer. Best replace it with a 160 mA, slo-blo type.

Although not indicated anywhere, I expect the CRO was manufactured in China
or just possibly Korea. One would have to remove the CRO tube to see where
that was made.

My conclusion:

At a mere $ 128 inc GST and probe, this has got to be the biggest bargain in
*new* test gear you can buy in Australia.




........ Phil
 
Phil Allison wrote:
At a mere $ 128 inc GST and probe, this has got to be the biggest bargain in
*new* test gear you can buy in Australia.
Thanks for the excellent review, Phil. Might get one of these myself,
I'm sick of making do without a CRO.

Clifford Heath.
 
"Clifford Heath"
Phil Allison wrote:

At a mere $ 128 inc GST and probe, this has got to be the biggest bargain
in *new* test gear you can buy in Australia.


Thanks for the excellent review, Phil. Might get one of these myself,
I'm sick of making do without a CRO.

** Any electronics hobbyist without a basic CRO is flying blind.

Treat yourself before DEE change their mind or delete it.

Then you *will* have something to CRO about !






....... Phil
 
"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in
news:4dsohtF19fn3mU1@individual.net:
[...]
At a mere $ 128 inc GST and probe, this has got to be the biggest
bargain in *new* test gear you can buy in Australia.
I'll admit that I haven't used a CRO since high school, and I'm
not even sure I know how to operate one anymore. Nonetheless, I
still appreciate the detailed review. Thanks Phil.

GB
--
"Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the
entrails of the last priest." (Diderot, paraphrasing Meslier)
 
On 2006-05-28, Clifford Heath <no@spam.please.net> wrote:
Phil Allison wrote:
At a mere $ 128 inc GST and probe, this has got to be the biggest bargain in
*new* test gear you can buy in Australia.

Thanks for the excellent review, Phil. Might get one of these myself,
I'm sick of making do without a CRO.
They were $118 here in kiwiland, but that offer ended today.
Bugger!

Bye.
Jasen
 
"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:4dt4jlF1c5su8U1@individual.net...
"Clifford Heath"

Phil Allison wrote:

At a mere $ 128 inc GST and probe, this has got to be the biggest
bargain in *new* test gear you can buy in Australia.


Thanks for the excellent review, Phil. Might get one of these myself,
I'm sick of making do without a CRO.


** Any electronics hobbyist without a basic CRO is flying blind.

...... Phil
So the truth finally has come out hey Phil?
It IS a HOBBY business you're running from that bed-sit flat you rent.
LOL!
 
Phil Allison wrote:
** Any electronics hobbyist without a basic CRO is flying blind.
Treat yourself before DEE change their mind or delete it.
Then you *will* have something to CRO about !
Ha ha - pretty likely too once they realize they've accidently got a
*good* product at a good price. I've done a fair bit by flying blind,
it's amazing what you can improvise, but obviously better not to have
to.
 
Alan Rutlidge wrote:
So the truth finally has come out hey Phil?
Bug off, Rutlidge. It's obvious that I'm the hobbyist.
Try not starting a fight for a change, and offer something
of half the value of what Phil has instead. If you can.
 
"Clifford Heath" <no@spam.please.net> wrote in message
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Alan Rutlidge wrote:
So the truth finally has come out hey Phil?

Bug off, Rutlidge. It's obvious that I'm the hobbyist.
Try not starting a fight for a change, and offer something
of half the value of what Phil has instead. If you can.
First off Clifford, if I wanted to have a go at you I'd have
directed my reply fairly and squarely at YOU, by mentioning
YOUR name. Find where I mentioned your name in that reply
and I'll be more than prepared to apologise to you.

Secondly, the CRO is quite okay for a hobbyist, and probably
perfectly adequate for your personal needs, BUT Phil claims
he is a PROFESSIONAL audio technician. Anyone who is or was
would know a 10MHz single trace CRO with such a small (75mm)
screen wouldn't cut the mustard in the professional ranks.
I'm surprised Phil has bothered to buy one, except of course if
he didn't have a better CRO to begin with. :p

If I offered one of these DSE CROs in question for use in class,
even the 1st year electronics students would LTAO.

Nuff said.....

Cheers,
Alan
 
** Here is an INCIDENT of a criminal nature the

Rutmaniac Arse Bandit cannot even begin to explain:

This exact post WAS from the Rutmaniac on " rec.travel asia "
from October 11, 1997.

------------------------------­------------------------------­---

" WARNING - Tourism dangers for Gay Tourists in Thailand

Thailand used to be a nice place to visit. Friendly people, interesting
cultures, magnificent sceneery. But now it seems to be seedier than
ever even in the out of the way places like the beautiful island of
Koh Samui. I recently returned from there a couple of months ago to find
myself the victim of a very elabourate con.

Two bad experiences with Thais has left me a bit cold on the country and
considering the smog problem, rumour of raised airport taxes etc. I would
find it hard to find anything attractive about visiting there in the near
future. Everywhere you go in the world there is always the possibility
of being ripped off but some of the locals are really capitalizing on it.

In my case I was coerced into sponsoring a Thai into Australia. I was
lead down the garden path into a false sense of security about my
relationship with this person. His aim was clearly to get me to purswade
the Australian Embassy to grant him a visa. Once here I didn't exist
after he drained my bank account and ran my credit card into overdraft.



Alan Rutlidge (Perth Western Australia) "

----------------------------- ------------------------------------


** The 1997 date pretty much co-incidences with the enactment of
Section 50 BA of the Commonwealth Crimes Act.

This is the law that finally made engaging in or promoting under age
sex tourism a criminal offence - max penalty 17 years in jail.


BTW

The age of consent for gay males in WA in 1997 was 21 years old.

Come on - Arse Bandit - we all need to know if you were being
blackmailed.

And why ?????????????

Did young " Phouc Yu " really fuck you over?

Or did you beg for it.



....... Phil
 
Thanks for the review Phil. My poor old 1968 vintage BWD521 no
longer triggers properly and the vertical attenuator switches keep
growing metallic whiskers and shorting. For the amount that I use a
CRO at home now, that one would probably do most things I need it to
do to more or less replace the 521. It's very tempting, especially
with a shielded CRT...
Interesting that the photo on the DSE website shows the probe
connected to the X input. :)

Bob



On Sun, 28 May 2006 09:10:00 GMT, GB
<gb0506@kickindanuts.threefiddy.com> wrote:

"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in
news:4dsohtF19fn3mU1@individual.net:
[...]
At a mere $ 128 inc GST and probe, this has got to be the biggest
bargain in *new* test gear you can buy in Australia.

I'll admit that I haven't used a CRO since high school, and I'm
not even sure I know how to operate one anymore. Nonetheless, I
still appreciate the detailed review. Thanks Phil.

GB
 
"Bob Parker"
Thanks for the review Phil. My poor old 1968 vintage BWD521 no
longer triggers properly and the vertical attenuator switches keep
growing metallic whiskers and shorting. For the amount that I use a
CRO at home now, that one would probably do most things I need it to
do to more or less replace the 521. It's very tempting, especially
with a shielded CRT...

Interesting that the photo on the DSE website shows the probe
connected to the X input. :)

** Well, the same pic shows a CRO that is not even powered up.

http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/44799577064ffe6e2740c0a87f9c0755/Product/View/Q1803



......... Phil
 
The photographer probably switched it off in disgust when he
couldn't tune a single TV station....



On Sun, 28 May 2006 22:16:41 +1000, "Phil Allison"
<philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote:
** Well, the same pic shows a CRO that is not even powered up.

http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/44799577064ffe6e2740c0a87f9c0755/Product/View/Q1803



........ Phil
 
Tisk, tisk, tisk.
Phil, that pet CRO of yours already a disappointment?
If this is the best you can do, you'd better be back off to school
pick up a few new tricks. :p



"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:4dti8lF1b8pmeU1@individual.net...
** Here is an INCIDENT of a criminal nature the

Rutmaniac Arse Bandit cannot even begin to explain:

This exact post WAS from the Rutmaniac on " rec.travel asia "
from October 11, 1997.

------------------------------­------------------------------­---

" WARNING - Tourism dangers for Gay Tourists in Thailand

Thailand used to be a nice place to visit. Friendly people, interesting
cultures, magnificent sceneery. But now it seems to be seedier than
ever even in the out of the way places like the beautiful island of
Koh Samui. I recently returned from there a couple of months ago to find
myself the victim of a very elabourate con.

Two bad experiences with Thais has left me a bit cold on the country and
considering the smog problem, rumour of raised airport taxes etc. I would
find it hard to find anything attractive about visiting there in the near
future. Everywhere you go in the world there is always the possibility
of being ripped off but some of the locals are really capitalizing on it.

In my case I was coerced into sponsoring a Thai into Australia. I was
lead down the garden path into a false sense of security about my
relationship with this person. His aim was clearly to get me to purswade
the Australian Embassy to grant him a visa. Once here I didn't exist
after he drained my bank account and ran my credit card into overdraft.



Alan Rutlidge (Perth Western Australia) "

----------------------------- ------------------------------------


** The 1997 date pretty much co-incidences with the enactment of
Section 50 BA of the Commonwealth Crimes Act.

This is the law that finally made engaging in or promoting under age
sex tourism a criminal offence - max penalty 17 years in jail.


BTW

The age of consent for gay males in WA in 1997 was 21 years old.

Come on - Arse Bandit - we all need to know if you were being
blackmailed.

And why ?????????????

Did young " Phouc Yu " really fuck you over?

Or did you beg for it.



...... Phil
 
Bob Parker wrote:
The photographer probably switched it off in disgust when he
couldn't tune a single TV station....

And he likely connected the probe where he did so it didn't cover any
of the other switches and controls in the picture. Who expects a
photographer to know how a scope works?


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
 
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:4479E97F.BFD6C699@earthlink.net...
Bob Parker wrote:

The photographer probably switched it off in disgust when he
couldn't tune a single TV station....


And he likely connected the probe where he did so it didn't cover any
of the other switches and controls in the picture. Who expects a
photographer to know how a scope works?


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
I still have a DSE CRO (5MHz I think) that I bought for at least twice the
price of this one. It must have been nearly thirty years ago. It was modest
and useful. It still works. I think that this new scope, at this price, is
astonishing.
And Phil, I forgive you your dreadful pun.
 
Alan Rutlidge wrote:
First off Clifford, if I wanted to have a go at you
I knew you weren't having a go at me. I was just objecting
at you trying to turn a perfectly focussed and relevant
chat about a CRO, into one about Phil. I'm not interested
in whatever personality defects you or Phil exhibit, I just
wish you'd make an effort to keep things civil and on-topic
instead of deliberately up-ending every thread he enters.

If I offered one of these DSE CROs in question for use in class,
even the 1st year electronics students would LTAO.
Oh, I get it - you aren't even making real money from your
knowledge, just teaching it instead. Pot, kettle, black!
 
Yeah, that was what I thought too. :)
DSE's moving further and further away from nuts & bolts
electronics. Maybe it should be renamed to Dick Smith Consumer
Electronics?
I found an interesting entry about DSE in that Wikipedia thing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Smith_Electronics

Bob



On Sun, 28 May 2006 18:18:47 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
And he likely connected the probe where he did so it didn't cover any
of the other switches and controls in the picture. Who expects a
photographer to know how a scope works?
 
Bob Parker wrote:
Yeah, that was what I thought too. :)
DSE's moving further and further away from nuts & bolts
electronics. Maybe it should be renamed to Dick Smith Consumer
Electronics?
I found an interesting entry about DSE in that Wikipedia thing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Smith_Electronics

Bob

All that, and no mention of the only DSE item I've ever bought? ;-)


--
My sig file can beat up your sig file!
 
"Clifford Heath" <no.spam@please.net> wrote in message
news:447a3aa5$0$22834$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
Alan Rutlidge wrote:
First off Clifford, if I wanted to have a go at you

I knew you weren't having a go at me. I was just objecting
at you trying to turn a perfectly focussed and relevant
chat about a CRO, into one about Phil. I'm not interested
in whatever personality defects you or Phil exhibit, I just
wish you'd make an effort to keep things civil and on-topic
instead of deliberately up-ending every thread he enters.
Not up ending his post, just commenting - there is a difference.
However whilst you are on the subject you might check Phil's
track record for squeeky cleanness.

If I offered one of these DSE CROs in question for use in class,
even the 1st year electronics students would LTAO.

Oh, I get it - you aren't even making real money from your
knowledge, just teaching it instead. Pot, kettle, black!
Ha, ha, ha, very funny Clifford, but you left the toaster bit out. :)
It's supposed to go "Pot, kettle, toaster, black." :p

Well, Clifford, teaching electronics must be a significantly more profitable
business than fixing it. Take Phil's non-GST reporting business. To
qualify
to trade as a non-GST reporting entity his annual turnover (yes turnover,
before deductions, tax etc - NOT profit) must be under $50k.
Now this would be okay if you were semi-retired and just running a part-time
business to keep oneself active or to make a bit of pocket money, but you
can't seriously make a living from it. Considering Phil rents his flat
yadda,
yadda, yadda; I can't imagine (and nor can my accountant) how someone
could scrap a living out of that business situation.

Phil tells us all the time that he is a professional technician. If the
most useful
piece of test equipment in his workshop is a $128 DSE CRO - hmmmm well
I somehow would question his claimed credentials of being "professional".
As I said, the average electronics TAFE level student would laugh their arse
off
if presented with the DSE CRO and asked to do a lab with it.

Oh, and BTW, I'm not knocking the fact that he has decided to evaluate the
DSE
CRO and post it here. I think it was a good idea and he should be applauded
for
doing so.

Cheers,
Alan
 

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